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Exclusives : Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding Bishop
Posted by David Virtue on 2008/12/28 17:30:00 (5437 reads)

Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding Bishop

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By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
12/28/2008

It took an atheist to finally outwit and tell the truth about what development work works best in Africa. It isn't the Millennium Development Goals, (MDGs) that are so much heralded and ballyhooed by Episcopal Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori.

The "gospel" of The Episcopal Church these days is MDGs. It is no longer the Great Commission. MDG's are mentioned in nearly every address given by Mrs. Jefferts Schori, whether it is to lowly and slowly dying Episcopal diocesan conventions, upbeat and hopeful parishes or to press clubs and reporters with twitchy iPods and laptops.

Now she has been exposed, not by an orthodox Episcopal/Anglican blogger (like VOL), but by one of Britain's leading atheists, one Matthew Parris.

After a recent trip through Africa, Parris wrote the unthinkable in an article in the "London Times". He said that missionaries, not aid money, are what Africa needs. "Now a confirmed atheist, I've become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and international aid efforts. These alone will not do. Education and training alone will not do. In Africa, Christianity changes people's hearts. It brings a spiritual transformation. The rebirth is real. The change is good."

Ohmygosh.

"I used to avoid this truth by applauding - as you can - the practical work of mission churches in Africa. It's a pity, I would say, that salvation is part of the package, but Christians black and white, working in Africa, do heal the sick, do teach people to read and write; and only the severest kind of secularist could see a mission hospital or school and say the world would be better without it. I would allow that if faith was needed to motivate missionaries to help, then, fine: but what counted was the help, not the faith. But this doesn't fit the facts. Faith does more than support the missionary; it is also transferred to his flock. This is the effect that matters so immensely, and which I cannot help observing."

As an atheist, I truly believe Africa needs God, he wrote. Exit MDG's. Enter faithful, hardworking missionaries and nationals who heal the sick, bring clean water, teach people to read and write AND who bring the soul-saving message of Jesus that Mrs. Jefferts Schori wouldn't know if she fell over her own miter on a curb on 5th Avenue.

MDG's are the mandate of The United Nations, good goals to work collectively to cut extreme poverty in half by 2015. Then The Episcopal Church, which had run out of new and original ideas, or even old ones, decided that MDG's would be their pitch. I know this is true because, following his retirement, Canon John Peterson, formerly the secretary general of the Anglican Consultative Council, got a plum job at Washington National Cathedral in exchange for his sins, echoed this by saying how disappointed he was that the UN came up with the idea of MDGs first, instead of the church.

Collective answers, like collective sins (racism et al) look for generic confessions and generic repentance that fail to touch the human heart. Calling TEC to repent of centuries' old racism, while ignoring the present wholesale theological and ecclesiastical slaughter of the church's orthodox faithful, is hypocrisy off the charts.

Episcopal leaders like Washington Bishop John Chane have publicly excoriated African Anglican Archbishops like Peter Akinola and Henry Luke Orombi for failing to speak up on pressing social injustice in their respective countries while focusing on TEC's homogenital bishop and other sexually wayward priests. It's all lies. VOL has documented the social outrage of these Primates as they speak truth to power in their respective countries, but now along comes an atheist and blows away "secular" dogoodism without "spiritual transformation."

In 2000 words, he rips apart the whole Episcopal edifice and façade that social amelioration and MDGs, without real and living faith, is doing God's work, when he, an atheist, journeys across Africa and sees for himself the exact opposite.

Parris' first-hand account, "We had friends who were missionaries, and as a child I stayed often with them; I also stayed, alone with my little brother, in a traditional rural African village. In the city we had working for us Africans who had converted and were strong believers. The Christians were always different. Far from having cowed or confined its converts, their faith appeared to have liberated and relaxed them. There was a liveliness, a curiosity, an engagement with the world - a directness in their dealings with others - that seemed to be missing in traditional African life. They stood tall."

Now these Christians Parris is talking about are evangelical Christians, the sort of Christians the Episcopal Church despises. There are 25 million of them (Anglican) in Nigeria and 9.2 million Evangelical Anglicans in Uganda. They all believe in being washed in the blood of the Lamb, being born again, being regenerate, being made whole, being justified and sanctified, washed clean of their sins, biblical notions that bishops like Jack Spong, Orris Walker, Tom Shaw, John Chane, Charles E. Bennison, Jon Bruno and Jefferts Schori (to name but a few) mock and deride.

Parris wrote about a time he was in Malawi. "It was the same. I met no missionaries. You do not encounter missionaries in the lobbies of expensive hotels discussing development strategy documents, as you do with the big NGOs. But instead I noticed that a handful of the most impressive African members of the Pump Aid team (largely from Zimbabwe) were, privately, strong Christians. "Privately" because the charity is entirely secular and I never heard any of its team so much as mention religion while working in the villages. But I picked up the Christian references in our conversations. One, I saw, was studying a devotional textbook in the car. One, on Sunday, went off to church at dawn for a two-hour service. It would suit me to believe that their honesty, diligence and optimism in their work was unconnected with personal faith. Their work was secular, but surely affected by what they were. What they were was, in turn, influenced by a conception of man's place in the Universe that Christianity had taught."

In Mrs. Jefferts Schori's universe there is no transcendent faith, it is ALL about MDGs and making the world right for God when God never gave any such command. "Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel, making disciples..." will never be found on the lips of the Presiding Bishop. It violates her notion that she (and The Episcopal Church) can save the world for God through MDGs.

The atheist Parris had it right, dead right. He concluded, "Those who want Africa to walk tall amid 21st-century global competition must not kid themselves that providing the material means or even the knowhow that accompanies what we call development will make the change. A whole belief system must first be supplanted. And I'm afraid it has to be supplanted by another. Removing Christian evangelism from the African equation may leave the continent at the mercy of a malign fusion of Nike, the witch doctor, the mobile phone and the machete."

He could have added that the MDG agenda of Mrs. Jefferets Schori and the ruinous pansexual agenda of The Episcopal Church has exposed African Christians to murderous Muslim hordes in the name of TEC's idolatrous behavior.

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Pebble
Posted: 2008/12/28 23:32  Updated: 2008/12/28 23:32
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
Now wouldn't it be a surprise if it were to come out that Schori has been a closet atheist all along.

NOT!
Cennydd
Posted: 2008/12/29 0:00  Updated: 2008/12/29 0:00
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
Whaddya mean, Pebble? I thought she WAS a closet atheist!

Cennydd
Drummie
Posted: 2008/12/29 1:22  Updated: 2008/12/29 17:41
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
Soundbyte, what is it that you find unusual or incoherent? It seems very clear to me that even an atheist can see what good the Gospel of our Lord has done first hand. It also explains quite nicley what the presiding heretic is.

She preaches the MDG to the denial of the Gospel. With that being so, how can her theology be anything other than at least suspect and at the most bpasphemous.
SaintElvis
Posted: 2008/12/29 1:55  Updated: 2008/12/29 1:55
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
Atheist preaches the Gospel is good while TEC (and other denoms) teaches it is exclusive and oppressive?

Really this is all a bad dream right? Somebody pinch me.
Cennydd
Posted: 2008/12/29 3:16  Updated: 2008/12/29 3:16
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
Odd, isn't it? Is there a hidden message here?

Cennydd
patulous
Posted: 2008/12/29 6:29  Updated: 2008/12/29 6:29
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
Cennydd: This makes me hope that the atheist finds his way to the cross and believes that Christ Jesus is behind all good in this world. The Christians he found in the secular positions is no surprize either.
JRoss
Posted: 2008/12/29 11:23  Updated: 2008/12/29 11:23
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
Soundbyte; ""What an odd and incoherent article. The fallacies and inconsistencies could only be ignored by those who chose to accept the author's arguments a priori.""

Thank you proving the article is right. If you cannot understand it, neither will her highness.
robroy
Posted: 2008/12/29 12:07  Updated: 2008/12/29 12:07
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
When she talked for forty minutes at the National Press Club recently, she made no reference to Jesus and quoted not one verse from the Bible. How does a supposed Christian leader talk about religion for forty minutes and not mention Jesus Christ once???
webb2k
Posted: 2008/12/29 13:30  Updated: 2008/12/29 13:31
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
In seminary we were taught that truth is truth, no matter the source. If even an atheist sees the value in the Gospel, then God is clearly displaying the power of the Gospel.

As for most churches today (tec included), I offer this old parphrase from Matthew here quoted from Dr. Semtamu:

"I was hungry and you formed a committee to investigate my hunger.
I was homeless and you filed a report on my plight.
I was sick and you held a seminar on the situation of the under-privileged and malnourished.
I was in prison and you set up a prayer group for prisoners of conscience.
I was naked and you bought Fair Trade goods.
…and yet I am still hungry, homeless, sick, naked, and in prison"

Peace and Blessings
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Posted: 2008/12/29 13:32  Updated: 2008/12/29 13:33
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
The high office of Episcopalianism exemplified by Schori, as contrasted with historic Anglicanism, looks down its nose in condescension towards anyone believing the Scriptures holds God’s truth.

Here is the personified doctrine of the heretic, Jack Spong, put in woman’s dress. Promoted to her position by homosexual activists, Schori is a snob, a disgrace to His Name!

TEC, in its present form, is a manipulated puppet whose strings are pulled by the grand homosodomist, Louie Crew. The weight of sin cascades into the bowels of a once great church that now genuflects to Satan in celebration of his victory in introducing the remaining Saints in TEC to the gates of hell.

I pray that God save them. That is the great cause now evident in Africa but absent in TEC, except by the departure of individuals, parishes and Dioceses that honor “the Faith one given.”
Cennydd
Posted: 2008/12/29 13:42  Updated: 2008/12/29 13:42
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
And some day soon, those still in TEC are going to wake up and say "What happened?"

Cennydd
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Posted: 2008/12/29 13:46  Updated: 2008/12/29 13:46
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
Interesting line of commentary regarding this article. Apparently I'm not the only one who had trouble following the logic.

As far as the title, it takes very little to outwit and out theologize the Queen of Heresy. She missed class the day they talked about theology at her on-line seminary by the sea and has never been accused of wit - deviousness and malice, yes - but not wit.
Cennydd
Posted: 2008/12/29 14:50  Updated: 2008/12/29 19:36
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
Compared to graduates of Nashotah House and Trinity, this woman is a theological featherweight, and in fact, virtually ALL of our Christian clergy in Africa and elsewhere are her superiors.

It comes as no surprise, for instance, that so many African bishops hold earned doctorates in Christian theology, while only a handful of TEC clergy can claim the same distinction.

Cennydd
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Posted: 2008/12/30 2:17  Updated: 2008/12/30 2:17
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
My two year old granddaughter could out with Mrs. Schori and her cohorts at 815.
LGMarshall
Posted: 2008/12/30 3:06  Updated: 2008/12/30 3:06
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
Bishop Schori actually thinks she can 'out give' God with her MDGs...someone needs to remind her 'you can't earn your way into heaven, lest someone boast'. I sat in on a MDG briefing once, and the Priest's main emphasis was on the merits of Abortion. I cornered her (the Priest)later and told her, 'All children are a blessing from God', she said..."No they aren't".
Cennydd
Posted: 2008/12/30 11:44  Updated: 2008/12/30 11:44
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
"She said....'No, they aren't?'"

Well, then, according to her and others like her, children are a bane, and not a blessing!

Good Lord, deliver us from such people and all such heresy!

Cennydd
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Posted: 2009/1/1 16:39  Updated: 2009/1/1 16:39
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
MDG's must NOT be confused with MGD's which is something else our ECUSA friends enjoy a little bit much of.
RevDarrenS
Posted: 2009/1/5 20:02  Updated: 2009/1/5 20:02
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 Re: Atheist Outwits, Out theologizes Episcopal Presiding ...
Really...does it come as any surprise???
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