ENGLAND: Cathedral turns to wine bars to woo new business
The Church of England is planning to open wine bars and introduce "loyalty cards" in a package of measures designed to make it more businesslike.
By Jonathan Wynne-Jones, Religious Affairs Correspondent
The Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2652359/Cathedral-turns-to-wine-bars-to-woo-new-business.html
August 31, 2008
The first "director of hospitality and welcome" at an English cathedral has unveiled far-reaching plans to make its operations more business-like.
Mark Hope-Urwin, a former executive with the John Lewis deparment stores chain, has been recruited by Birmingham Cathedral to oversee a radical change to its image and branding.
His plans, revealed today, include a chain of city-centre wine bars and "loyalty cards" for regular worshippers to obtain discounts at the cathedral's shops.
The new appraoch to attracting and retaining worshippers could become a blueprint for dioceses across the country
The wine bars would feature stained-glass windows, pictures on a religious theme and be decorated in "episcopal purple".
They would be intended to raise the cathedral's profile around the city, and would represent a significant departure from current practice, which is limited to bookshops and cafes in some cathedrals and churches.
Staff would have to be sympathetic to Christianity and times of cathedral services would be posted on the walls.
Mr Hope-Urwin said: "We're not trying to encourage drinking, but the cathedral has to engage more with the city and find ways of meeting people on their territory.
"Cathedral wine bars should be seen as a potential commercial operation with profits going into the upkeep of the building and paying for evangelistic work.
This isn't about turning the cathedral into a big money-making machine, but we have to think of how we can change and spread the brand.
"We are in a competitive environment. People have all kinds of distractions in their busy lives and at the moment too many just see the cathedral as a big brick monolith. That has to change if we are to bring people in."
Mr Hope-Urwin said that the Church needed to be more imaginative in how it connected with people and should look to the commercial sector to learn about retaining its customers. He argued that the introduction of "loyalty cards" would help encourage a sense of belonging and could be used to get discounts in cathedral book and gift stores, and preferential access to services and performances.
The plans will be presented to the dean, the Very Rev Robert Wilkes, after research has been conducted into how the different schemes would work.
Mr Hope-Urwin, who starts his new job this week, said: "I've mentioned it to the dean, who isn't averse to the idea as long as we cost it out to check how viable it would be."
The Very Rev Christopher Lewis, the chairman of the Association of English Cathedrals, welcomed the proposals. "We have to be willing to embrace change to keep places going," he said.
"As long as it's done carefully, wine bars are a good idea as they bring people in and are a good meeting place."
The Rev David Phillips, the general secretary of the Church Society, a traditionalist group, said: "Opening wine bars doesn't seem an appropriate way to generate money.
"People who attend church should give more so that this doesn't have to happen. The idea of the Church getting involved with selling alcohol will worry people."
The plan comes after the Association of English Cathedrals accused the Government of having a secular agenda - as it fails to provide "proper" financial support to cathedrals, despite providing large grants to museums.
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| Ex_aedibus | Posted: 2008/9/1 11:30 Updated: 2008/9/1 11:30 |
Quite a regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 2008/7/2 From: Namyangju-si, Gyeonggi-do, Korea Posts: 58 |
This sounds like the sort of thing that Cardinal Mahony of Los Angeles would do. God only knows how he financed his spectacularly ugly Cathedral. God only knows how he's going to pay for the lawsuits.
The Cathedral now has its own brand of wine and other products. The thing was built by a host of corporate donations. If you are wealthy and want to be buried in the crypt, you can pay well over $100,000USD for a place near the altar. |
| cuervoria | Posted: 2008/9/1 12:14 Updated: 2008/9/1 12:14 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/6/15 From: College Station, Texas Posts: 541 |
Wait, I've got a better idea!
We could turn the cathedrals into bath houses and men could seduce boys there, or consort with prostitutes of either sex . . . all in the name of encouraging God to bless his people with prosperity. With a chapel on the side where abortions can be performed and absolved in one service. Pagans! de la Cuervoria |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2008/9/1 13:32 Updated: 2008/9/1 13:32 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/7/3 From: Posts: 1094 |
Shades of Simon the Sorcerer. But, hey, once you take a leap at blessing sodomy, anything is up for sale...
Lord, have mercy. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/9/1 13:41 Updated: 2008/9/1 13:41 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Yecchh! Talk about money changers in the temple!
Cennydd |
| Balthazar | Posted: 2008/9/1 14:43 Updated: 2008/9/1 14:43 |
Quite a regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/12/12 From: Posts: 51 |
This is a novel approach to evangelism, but it's not as creepy as the Anglican minister in Sydney who wrote (on the diocesan website) about using MySpace to track on-line friends of teenagers that he knows. He wrote the article to celebrate his 1,000th MySpace friend.
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| recchip | Posted: 2008/9/1 18:46 Updated: 2008/9/1 18:46 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/2/23 From: Fairfax Virginia Posts: 172 |
I would much prefer this to some of the books I have seen sold in "Church Bookstores." (And not just the Liberal ones.)
We, as Episcopalians/Anglicans, are famous for NOT HAVING MORAL OBJECTIONS TO ALCOHOL. They don't call us "Whiskypalians" for nothing. Having been in other denominations, (Baptist, Presbyterian) where drinking (at least publically) was "taboo" I am grateful that we do not have those hangups. To be able to have beer (and wine if we are being "formal") at church luncheons is nice and normal. Remember, Jesus's first miracle was turning water into wine (and from the context of the Scripture, it was seen to be of "vintage" quality). Also, our Lord used WINE NOT GRAPE JUICE at the first Holy Communion. I am happy, as an orthodox/re-asserter/ conservative/tradtional/whatever the current thing is Anglican to see this happening. |
| daveball | Posted: 2008/9/1 19:41 Updated: 2008/9/1 19:41 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/12/18 From: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2377 |
I find the whole concept of commercial promotion abhorent. Suppose you get a few folks to stop in for a tot or two of wine. Then what? My guess is that, in the long run, you'll end of with a more lasting group if they are recruited with proof of the Holy Spirit at work rather than the proof in the spirits.
I have no problem with those who consume alcohol and I have no problem with alcohol at church functions. I'd just rather see people brought into church by preaching and evangelizing the promise of salvation than the promise of a glass or two. |
| Ikerliker | Posted: 2008/9/2 0:19 Updated: 2008/9/2 0:19 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/1/16 From: PA Posts: 2051 |
I suppose preaching the Good News and saving power of Jesus Christ is too much to ask! That might be a good starting place for a "church".
Lord have mercy! |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2008/9/2 14:53 Updated: 2008/9/2 14:53 |
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Is it true that VGR is going to open a gay whine bar at his cathedral?
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| Ikerliker | Posted: 2008/9/3 3:14 Updated: 2008/9/3 3:14 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/1/16 From: PA Posts: 2051 |
Causidicus,
I think VGR's whine bar has been open for quite some time. Lord have mercy! |


















