MASSACHUSETTS: Episcopal bishop will ordain gays
Shaw plans to consult on same-sex weddings
By Michael Paulson, Globe Staff
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/08/07/episcopal_bishop_will_ordain_gays?mode=PF
August 7, 2008
A month ago, the world's Anglican bishops flew off to London, hoping to do something to keep the world's third largest Christian family from falling apart over the ordination of an openly gay bishop in New Hampshire.
But as the bishops return to their dioceses around the world, the plight of the Episcopal Church, and its parent Anglican Communion, remains as muddled as ever. With conservatives contending that the denomination is moving toward schism and liberals arguing that the denomination is stabilizing, the path forward is unclear.
Bishop M. Thomas Shaw, head of the Episcopal Diocese of Massachusetts, said in an interview upon his return from London that he will continue to ordain gay clergy, which he called "pastorally important."
He also said that local priests will continue to bless same-sex marriages, although Shaw said that those priests are doing so on their own and that "I haven't authorized anybody to do anything."
As for whether he would follow up on his earlier intention to push for ending the moratorium on gay bishops and allowing church recognition of same-sex marriage when the Episcopal Church meets at its General Convention next year, Shaw said he would now wait until he meets with all the American bishops next month to decide how he will proceed.
Meanwhile, Bishop William L. Murdoch of the Anglican Church of Kenya, formerly the rector of an Episcopal parish in West Newbury and now the rector of an Anglican parish in Amesbury, said he expected that the "boundary crossings" by foreign bishops into the United States would also continue, because there is no alternative for traditionalist Episcopalians in the United States.
"Who is going to offer pastoral care to those churches that want to remain connected to the Anglican Communion but not the Episcopal Church?" Murdoch asked. "That's why our work will continue."
The decennial gathering of Anglican bishops, called the Lambeth Conference, ended Sunday with no votes and no declarations, but with a speech by the archbishop of Canterbury, whose power is minimal, urging "continuing moratoria regarding certain new policies and practices."
The archbishop appeared to be referring to moratoria in the Episcopal Church in the United States against the ordination of more gay bishops and the authorization of blessings for same-sex unions, as well as to the ignored plea by Anglican officials for an end to the practice of foreign bishops taking over supervision of churches and congregations in the United States church.
Murdoch - along with other Anglican bishops who are Americans but were consecrated by foreign bishops - was not invited to Lambeth but instead joined an alternative gathering of conservative Anglicans in Jerusalem earlier this summer.
Bishop V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire was also not invited to Lambeth, but he went to London anyway to advocate for better treatment of gays and lesbians in the Anglican Communion.
"I don't think anything happened that is going to wow you or your readers," said Shaw, a leading liberal, who hosted several gatherings in London to introduce Robinson to bishops from conservative Anglican provinces who view Robinson's homosexuality with concern.
"We had frank and good discussions about expectations of one another, and what our context is pastorally, and how it differs from, say, Africa to the United States," Shaw said. "I think people communicated well."
Murdoch said traditionalists, who he said are viewed as conservative in the United States but as centrists elsewhere in the world, are moving toward establishing another province, or branch, of the Anglican Communion in North America for disaffected Episcopalians.
"The Lambeth Conference itself and the archbishop of Canterbury, for all their efforts, were not able to come up with any new efforts at trying to put in place any instrument that could exercise discipline to correct the brokenness of the communion."
Scholars say the impact of the conference, if any, will play out over time.
"For the first time in a long time, bishops had the opportunity to talk face to face with one another and be honest about what's happening in their church," said the Rev. Ian T. Douglas, a professor at Episcopal Divinity School in Cambridge and the only American on the conference committee. "It clearly impacted the bishops, but what that means when they have to make tough choices will be some measure. And as to how much that has affected the dioceses and the pews, we shall see."
Michael Paulson can be reached at mpaulson@globe.com.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/8/7 14:05 Updated: 2008/8/7 14:09 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
"I haven't authorized anybody to do anything?" It seems to me that if he hasn't done this, but is letting it happen, it is the same thing as authorizing it!
A tacit authorization, maybe, but still an authorization! And he openly acknowledges that it is happening! His smugness and arrogance are astounding, to say the least! Cennydd |
| ctowles | Posted: 2008/8/7 14:16 Updated: 2008/8/7 14:16 |
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"He also said that local priests will continue to bless same-sex marriages, although Shaw said that those priests are doing so on their own and that "I haven't authorized anybody to do anything."
What does this goofus do to draw his check? He shames himself by detailing his lack of control over the priests in his diocese. He shames God, and he shames the church. If he were my father, I would disown him and rightly so. |
| patulous | Posted: 2008/8/7 14:25 Updated: 2008/8/7 14:25 |
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This bishop reminds me of the three monkeys:
SAY NO EVIL HEAR NO EVIL SEE NO EVIL If fact I think this bishop makes a monkey of himself. |
| daveball | Posted: 2008/8/7 14:59 Updated: 2008/8/7 14:59 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/12/18 From: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2281 |
So here we have it - the TEc response to Lambeth. They are saying very clearly "stuff it". TEc clearly intends to continue on its' in-your-face path to hell and could care less what anyone else says or does.
Alas, the dilemma of those who have left and will be departing remains the same - departing for what? Come on GAFCON guys - spell it out. |
| Isaac | Posted: 2008/8/7 15:07 Updated: 2008/8/7 15:07 |
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1. There is no such thing as a "same sex marriage." It is an impossibility.
2. This apostate heretic bishop says "He also said that local priests will continue to bless same-sex marriages, although Shaw said that those priests are doing so on their own and that 'I haven't authorized anybody to do anything.'" So not only is Shaw a heretic but he is also a wimp. I feel sorry for the Faithful in Massachusetts. Isaac |
| Ikerliker | Posted: 2008/8/7 15:11 Updated: 2008/8/7 15:11 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/1/16 From: PA Posts: 2046 |
And this is the bishop who described himself as conservative at Lambeth. If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny.
Lambeth changed absolutely NOTHING. TEc will do what TEc will do. They don't care about anybody else. Why is this so hard for many to realize. We must end the Canterbury based Communion and realign before it's too late. |
| Newshound | Posted: 2008/8/7 15:23 Updated: 2008/8/7 19:38 |
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When I see stories like this, it reminds me that I am responsible for obeying the Lord Jesus Christ who died on the cross for my sins, and not the robed clowns that are running the Anglican Communion these days.
Othrodox Bishops who are still in the TEC need to speak out about sitations like this. |
| sentinel | Posted: 2008/8/7 15:37 Updated: 2008/8/7 15:37 |
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Quote:
"Who is going to offer pastoral care to those churches that want to remain connected to the Anglican Communion but not the Episcopal Church?" Considering what occurred at Lambeth, who, in their right mind, would really want to remain connected to that dead corpse? It is nothing more than a communion of death. Those who participated in GAFCON need to leave Sodom and not look back. |
| ejsteele | Posted: 2008/8/7 16:35 Updated: 2008/8/7 16:37 |
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As repugnant as this bishop's actions are, my question is not for the bishops or any other clergy in TEC. Rather my question is for the laity: how many of you will still be sitting in a TEC pew this coming Sunday?
If you do not believe that the clergy of TEC are any longer defending and teaching the true apostolic faith, then why do you remain under their guidance? I agree that the leadership of TEC has (for the most part) left the Christian faith, but complaining about that here will not change the Communion. We all must choose this day whom we will serve. +Ed |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/8/7 16:49 Updated: 2008/8/7 16:49 |
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I agree with what you say, but the question is, how do we get this message across to the pew-sitters of The Episcopal Church?
How do we get them to read what we say here on this blogsite? Cennydd |
| Isaac | Posted: 2008/8/7 17:32 Updated: 2008/8/7 17:32 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/3/1 From: Texas Posts: 595 |
ejsteele:
Excellent question. In my case, I am 50 years old and was baptised at my church, I have been a member there all my life. Two of my four grandparents had their funerals there, my other two had theirs at another Episcopal Church nearby. I was married there. You get the point. Our Bishop, Don Wimberly, was weak but on the right side of things. This new fellow we have coming in, Andrew Doyle, is a big question mark. Still, our parish is utterly conservative on matters of human sexuality. I love my fellow parish members. I truly hate the idea that apostate heretics from far away can force me from my parish. I keep holding out and praying. I am still there. ....But, I have been looking at other churches, for if the time should come to leave. Isaac |
| ejsteele | Posted: 2008/8/7 17:59 Updated: 2008/8/7 17:59 |
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Cennydd,
In your case, my friend, I think your diocese spoke about as loudly as it could. If folks didn't "hear" the vote that took you out of TEC, I'm not sure what they will hear. However my question was really for those who are on this website...those who voice their anger and frustration daily. I know it is hard to reach others "out there", and that is another hurdle that must be overcome. Issac: My prayers are with you. I was a lay pastor studying for the ordained ministry in the United Methodist Church - in which I too was baptised and raised. However one day I could take it no longer and left...called my District Superintendent and said I had to go elsewhere. So I know the pain that is involved. BTW-for those who don't know me, I am not in TEC nor am I in a continuing Anglican church. But I do care for my brothers and sisters who are suffering in TEC and keep them all in my prayers. +Ed |
| masspk | Posted: 2008/8/7 19:43 Updated: 2008/8/7 19:43 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/3/7 From: Cape Cod, MA Posts: 90 |
Slightly off topic, but Massachusetts related.....TLC is reporting that two Episcopal priests performed same sex marriages on 8/2/08 inside Episcopal churches. Anybody got a clue as to how we can find out which "priests" and which parishes?
And Cennydd - that is the big question - how do you get people in the pews to pay attention. Inviting them to the local Anglican plant isn't working, storming out of a vestry meeting didn't work..what to do? MassPK |
| loonpond | Posted: 2008/8/7 23:49 Updated: 2008/8/7 23:49 |
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This from the NY Times
Published: August 3, 2008 Rebecca Anne Binder, the daughter of Dr. Martha Connell and Dr. Jack Binder of Scarsdale, N.Y., was married on Saturday to Amanda Elizabeth Laws, the daughter of Oneida Méndez-Laws and the Rev. Thomas Laws of Montclair, N.J. Ms. Binder’s father, who was authorized by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, officiated at St. John’s Episcopal Church in Charlestown, Mass., where Ms. Laws’s father, an Episcopal priest, participated in a blessing ceremony. |
| otispage2 | Posted: 2008/8/8 1:37 Updated: 2008/8/8 1:39 |
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Boston and San Francisco compete for the title of the Sodomic Capital of the USA:
http://americansfortruth.com/news/secular-zombietime-report-exposes-incredible-public-perversions-tolerated-by-police-and-politicians-in-san-francisco.html |
| johncarl | Posted: 2008/8/8 3:08 Updated: 2008/8/8 3:08 |
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business as usual.
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| masspk | Posted: 2008/8/8 14:10 Updated: 2008/8/8 14:10 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/3/7 From: Cape Cod, MA Posts: 90 |
Thanks LoonPond. Never thought to check the NY papers : )
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| bcwright | Posted: 2008/8/8 18:16 Updated: 2008/8/8 18:16 |
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As repugnant as this bishop's actions are, my question is not for the bishops or any other clergy in TEC. Rather my question is for the laity: how many of you will still be sitting in a TEC pew this coming Sunday?
Fr. Ed, I dunno - from here it looks like a high percentage of those who post on this site are either (1) in the Continuum; (2) in one of the various Dioceses or Provinces that remain in the Anglican Communion but which are in some kind of "impaired communion" with TEC, whether in the Diocese of Pittsburgh or San Joaquin or one of the various African or South American Provinces; or (3) have left Anglicanism altogether for either the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodoxy, or one of the Evangelical Protestant denominations. I would be interested in just how many posters here are still attending a parish in full communion with TEC - I suspect that they might well be a minority at this point. |























