LAMBETH: Liberal Theologian Supports Same-Sex Marriage in South Africa
News Analysis
David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
8/2/2008
A theological facilitator at a Lambeth Press Conference has a long pro-gay history that includes support for same-sex marriages, indicating a deep bias by Lambeth planners in favor of Western pansexuality on human sexuality discussions among the bishops here in Canterbury.
The organizer of the Lambeth Bible Studies, Professor Gerald West said, when challenged, that he had no opinion about Lambeth resolution 1:10 which said that sexual relations are only acceptable within the framework of heterosexual marriage. He also said he had never read Rowan Williams booklet, "The Body's Grace."
West, a Professor of Old Testament at the University of Kwazulu-Natal in South Africa and coordinator of the Bible Studies at the 2008 Lambeth Conference has an impressive academic CV. He was clearly chosen by the Lambeth Design Team for his liberal views in order to persuade Anglican bishops that homosexuality is acceptable in the eyes of God.
According to reports VOL has received, here is what he says about same sex marriage in South Africa: "Those churches (and other religious institutions) with unambiguous negative positions on same-sex marriage have been most vocal. What has been absent in the debate has been the voice of those churches who have a tradition of taking a stand with the marginalised in society."
West said the clearest voice had been that of the South African Council of Churches (SACC), which had not only defended the right of the state to amend the legislation, but had also provided a theological argument for why the church ought to respond positively to this change.
"The SACC, however, is not a church, and so its position will not necessarily lead to active participation by its member churches in performing same-sex marriages. But, given the commitment of many of our churches to the struggle for justice for all, I would expect that there are priests, ministers, and pastors who would be willing to perform same-sex marriages."
"Some Anglican bishops, for example, have made it clear that they will withdraw the licences of those who officiate at same-sex marriages. But other churches may respond more prophetically, supporting those of their clergy who heed the call of homosexual Christians who want to marry in the sight of God.
"One of the legacies of Anglicanism is that it has a long history of being interested in the detail of Scripture. That detail can be approached quite differently." Students of Scripture might approach the Bible from a socio-historical perspective, or an historical perspective, or a literary perspective, he said.
West offered a literary interpretation of the Genesis account of Sodom and Gomorrah, that the sin at hand was "inhospitality, expressed through male rape. It may have nothing at all to do with homosexuality." Whenever Sodom and Gomorrah are mentioned in the Bible, he said, "It's always about injustice and inhospitality."
When VirtueOnline reporter Hans Zeiger asked West whether there are wide differences in the Anglican Communion over Biblical authority, and if so, whether it is even possible to apply a Biblical standard to sexual ethics, West replied, "I don't believe that it's widely different. I think it's claimed that it's widely different." He said that Anglicans have the same overall approach to interpretation.
"The same things are happening. Everyone in the Anglican Communion has their own process of making sense of the Bible. People who claim that their way of making sense is taking the Bible more seriously than someone else are just trying to talk more loudly or stamp their foot more firmly."
He said that Anglicans maintain a "common commitment" to the Scriptures. In 1995 West gave' a series of lectures, seminars and workshops in order to challenge his hearers to envisage new possibilities of reading the Bible "with" marginalized people.
Participants at his lectures, seminars and workshops started asking questions such as: The marginalized were identified as:"Those who are disabled, homosexuals, lesbians, prisoners/ex-prisoners, women, ethnic minorities. The marginalized are therefore those alienated socially and legally".
West listed four elements of applying Scripture to Communion decisions: "a common commitment to be shaped by Scripture," an attention to the detail of Scripture, "a common commitment to bring our contexts into engagement with Scripture," and an "ecclesio-theological framework" that "holds us all together."
West also said that the current Anglican controversies represent a transitional stage in the Communion. He said that missionaries who brought Christianity to South Africa were colonial imperialists, but that Africa is now in the process of moving beyond imperialism. This last statement is totally untrue.
This writer has been to several African countries where Evangelical Anglicanism is strong and they love the Anglican missionaries, mostly British missionaries who brought the gospel to them. Many of the African archbishops and bishops have large photos of these missionaries on their office walls. With West's biases there was absolutely no even- handedness in the Bible study preparation at Lambeth. The deck was stacked against the orthodox from the get go.
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| daveball | Posted: 2008/8/2 13:33 Updated: 2008/8/2 13:33 |
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The deck was stacked? You think so? Wow.
Of course the deck was stacked. It was stacked from the beginning of the planning. It was stacked with the assignment of booth space in the market area. It was stacked with the press in attendance. It was stacked by the silly indaba process. It was stacked by allowing Vicky to be there even as a visiting fairy. West says we are in a "transitional stage" of Anglicanism. You bet we are but not the one he imagines. We are in a stage where true Anglicanism is about to give the boot to revisionist pansexualists such as himself and then witness the rapid disappearance of TEc, CofE and ACC. Kyrie eleison. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/8/2 13:55 Updated: 2008/8/2 13:55 |
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What a load of garbage!
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| SaintElvis | Posted: 2008/8/2 14:49 Updated: 2008/8/2 14:49 |
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ttp://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0241418020080802
"The CDC estimates roughly 1 million Americans are infected with the virus. Dr. Kevin Fenton, who heads CDC's AIDS branch, said 15,000 to 18,000 Americans die every year of AIDS. "The data really confirm that there is a severe impact of this epidemic among gay and bisexual men in the United States ... as well as black men and women," Fenton said in a telephone interview. More than 28,000 of the new infections are among men who have sex with men, the new estimates show. Close to 17,000 are among heterosexuals -- and 15,000 of these are women. "These data are confirming what we had known before," Fenton said. "It also mirrors what we see about sexually transmitted diseases and changes in risk behavior among men who have sex with men." Gerald West is one of the purveyors of death in the culture of death. |
| otispage2 | Posted: 2008/8/2 16:10 Updated: 2008/8/2 16:10 |
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"He was clearly chosen by the Lambeth Design Team for his liberal views in order to persuade Anglican bishops that homosexuality is acceptable in the eyes of God."
The larger question is why have the orthodox, GAFCON, et al, attended Lambeth 2008? It was obvious before the meeting, and now confirmed by the press of lies and propaganda,as exemplified by Gerald West's witness, that ABC's intent is to impress TEC's and the Communion's Homosexual Agenda on those who adhere to "the faith one given". |
| jfmckenna | Posted: 2008/8/2 17:38 Updated: 2008/8/2 17:38 |
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This idea of lumping all the marginalized together, including homosexuals and ex-cons, is superficially plausible, but it fails to make a distinction between ex-cons that have mended their ways and those who have no interest in doing so. Same with those who have been actively homosexual. The word "sin" seems to mean nothing to certain people.
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| Sagamore | Posted: 2008/8/2 18:56 Updated: 2008/8/2 18:56 |
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"Whenever Sodom and Gomorrah are mentioned in the Bible, he said, 'It's always about injustice and inhospitality.'"
Jude: 7 (NIV) "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." OK, is West just a frightful blackguard of a Biblical "scholar", or is he simply a forthright liar? You make the call! |
| johncarl | Posted: 2008/8/2 20:25 Updated: 2008/8/2 20:25 |
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Beyond the Bible homosexual acts are against Natural Law. So maybe those who don't want to listen to the Bible ... never mind, they won't be convinced ... they don't believe in Natural Law either -
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| Peregrino | Posted: 2008/8/3 1:40 Updated: 2008/8/3 1:40 |
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The Global North and its extensions are imploding. Should we all seek shelter?
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| Isaac | Posted: 2008/8/3 21:52 Updated: 2008/8/3 21:52 |
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Ultra-liberalism is widespread in American academia (Ward Churchill et al), it looks like that is true in South Africa as well. Certainly at least at the University of Kwazulu-Natal.
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| SaintElvis | Posted: 2008/8/3 23:43 Updated: 2008/8/3 23:45 |
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"CANTERBURY -A distinguished liberal theologian"
This is silly. Calling a person like this a "Theologian" is like calling a homosexual "gay". Statistics suggest they are anything but. Or like calling a woman "priest". The first qualification for being a 'theologian' is right belief and faith. This fellow and his kind are 'theologians only in the same sense that Satan is a theologian. We know the story of Satan's knowledge of Scripture by the Gospel account. We also know how right interpretation was spoken by Christ in response. Anybody can render an informed opinion of the scriptures simply by reading them but without righteous faith it is not theology just boulderdash. The 'science of God must reflect the Will of God otherwise it is jest more false teaching. One of the greatest tools of Satan has been the twisting of the language in order to meet it's agenda. One of the greatest failings of the last couple generations has been playing along with word confusion, especially male pronouns. David stop calling these people what they are not. There is no such thing as a gay man, no such thing as a woman deacon, priest or bishop and there is no such thing as a liberal "theologian". |
| DomWalk | Posted: 2008/8/5 1:13 Updated: 2008/8/5 1:13 |
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"But other churches may respond more prophetically, supporting those of their clergy who heed the call of homosexual Christians who want to marry in the sight of God."
Ah, that's the definition of prophetic: indulging people in their every depravity! Silly me, I thought it had something to do with God calling his people to repentance. + + + |
| Frgavin | Posted: 2008/8/8 12:07 Updated: 2008/8/8 12:07 |
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Not only was the bias indicated in the choice of Prof West. Also the open gay supporting Dean of Cape Town Rowan Smith, was an invited 'facilitator' of the listening process at Lambeth 2008.
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