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Exclusives : LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert Schism
Posted by David Virtue on 2008/8/1 18:00:00 (2996 reads)

LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert Schism

News Analysis

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
8/1/2008

Bishops of the Anglican Communion threw in the towel today finally admitting that they could not "avoid homosexual/lesbian relations" in their Indaba groups, and that there was no way forward on such a communion-breaking issue. They hoped against hope that their inability to find answers would not split the Anglican Communion.

Bishops here are pinning their hopes on a Covenant that protracted talks could take years to agree upon, and that may keep the communion glued together.

GAFCON leaders, already chaffing at the bit over the intransigence of homosexual acceptance in The Episcopal Church, will get no joy or relief from the indecision by these Lambeth bishops. Archbishop Gregory Venables of the Southern Cone held out little hope that the Communion will now hold together. He foresees an eventual split.

Some Episcopal Church bishops today apologized to members of their Indaba groups saying they had no idea that their action in consecrating the homosexual Bishop of New Hampshire had caused such a negative impact in many parts of the communion, despite the fact that the consecration of Gene Robinson occurred more than five years ago.

It is disingenuous for liberal and revisionist bishops to suddenly say they did not know the harm they had caused by consecrating Robinson. The Internet weekly explodes with reports of the behavior of American liberal and revisionist bishops who have blessed same-sex unions, hired openly partnered same-sex priests, inhibited and deposed orthodox priests and much more.

The bishops said that while there is a desire to end the spiral of chaos around this issue, "there appears to be no desire to be so decisive at this stage." The bishops are looking for a "no win, no lose" scenario to hold the communion together. The bishops said there was a need to "develop further trust" if the Anglican Communion was going to survive.

That now appears unlikely.

The bishops said it was important not to make "judgments" because both sides have done careful Bible study. They said both sides need to repent of positions that have "damaged the dignity of homosexual/lesbian people" but did not call upon pansexualists to repent of their behavior.

They acknowledged that in some parts of the communion homosexual/lesbian relations are "taboo" in others it is a "justice" issue. The bishops cannot agree whether it is a first or second order issue.

The bishops also admitted that this is not a "single act", but is something that will happen again. They also admitted that any unilateral action by any province without consulting the Communion would "profoundly disrupt the church."

The bishops said the impact on the Anglican Communion has resulted in "lost and damaged partnerships", and that in some places the church is ridiculed as the "gay church" resulting in lost membership. In other places, it is seen as a betrayal of the teaching of missionaries who brought the faith and is viewed as a "new form of colonization".

The bishops further admitted that the whole issue of homosexuality diverts attention from the communion's "primary focus", lead to "sexual license", affected "ecumenical and interfaith relationships" and bishops cannot be a symbol of unity when the consecration of Robinson divided the church. "The unique focus of catholicity in the Communion is lost," they said. "In some regions the issue has become a test of orthodoxy and a basis for hostile actions."

Reviewing their options, the bishops said they "keep walking, keep talking", and let God be God and allow Him to transform the attitude and behavior of people, exercise more "listening", "patience", "reaffirm Lambeth 1:10 resolution" and accept that it was a mistake to ignore it, and, above all, cease cross provincial and diocesan borders to "create space for creative responses."

There can be little doubt that the Lambeth Conference is now fully polarized and could split into multiple networks. GAFCON bishops are committed to the Anglican Communion, but not in its present form or necessarily with Rowan Williams as its head. Archbishop Henry Orombi made that very clear in a recent letter from Uganda. Loyalty to Holy Scripture does not mean continued loyalty to the Queen as the Governor of the Church of England or to Rowan as the Archbishop of Canterbury.

The Global South is committed to Holy Scripture as its primary authority. They have rejected the Instruments of Unity and might well enthrone Nigerian Archbishop Peter Akinola as the titular head of a new reinvigorated Anglican Communion with the Great Commission as its primary mission thrust and the 1662 Prayer Book as its primary book for worship.

GAFCON currently represents 75% of the Anglican Communion (40 out of 55 million church-going Anglicans) and after this week that figure could rise significantly. Moderate or "open" evangelicals like Fulcrum, Global South Associates, Anglican Communion Institute and bishops like Tom Wright, (Durham) John W. Howe (Central Florida) will be forced to make a decision. Fence sitting is finished. The 2009 Episcopal General Convention will be a triumph of pansexual behavior in The Episcopal Church. The Episcopal Church is incapable of reversing itself.

It is clear that the Lambeth Conference, one of the four Instruments of Unity, is in total disarray. Many of the bishops believe it is breaking up. A number believe it will be the last Lambeth. They may well be right.

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daveball
Posted: 2008/8/1 21:42  Updated: 2008/8/1 21:42
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
A good assesment but a very sad situation. Canterbury Anglicanism is done, toast, fried, finished. The majority of Anglicanism has come to understand that "nuanced" beliefs mean revisionist false teaching and heresy. "Come let us talk and reason" means do it Katie's way. Pansexualism is their goal, the UN MDGs their gospel. The majority of Anglicanism has said "enough". We don't need Ruin Williams and we don't need Queen Liz. Neither do we need Queen Katie.

The ball is now in the court of GAFCON. Unless the movement puts some very focused and very orthodox specifics on the ground and deals with some very major issues in a very short window of opportunity, further fracture is inevitable. While Evangelicals are the numerical center of gravity, GAFCON won't successfully launch without the Anglo-Catholics. The obvious fault line here is women's ordination. Deal with it folks or we will have more splintering. It can't be simply listed as "let's agree to disagree."
jfmckenna
Posted: 2008/8/1 21:46  Updated: 2008/8/1 21:46
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
Elect Akinola for a term of a few years and have a Lambeth-style conference in Nigeria in three or four years. Then elect someone else and have a Lambeth-style conference in his country. Having a queen choose the presiding archbishop is silly (who knows? maybe camilla is in charge). Keep the pagan churches out and stop this nonsense of having to listen to advocates of perversion ever again.
Cennydd
Posted: 2008/8/1 22:25  Updated: 2008/8/1 22:27
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
There are times when I believe that the best thing that could happen to the Church of England would be disestablishment, and I think this is one of those times.

Let the Free Church of England step in and fill the void.

Cennydd
ZachD
Posted: 2008/8/1 22:46  Updated: 2008/8/1 22:46
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
They also admitted that any unilateral action by any province without consulting the Communion would "profoundly disrupt the church.""

Doinks! The consecration of +Robinson was an "in your face!" action, and HAS disrupted the church in the most severe sense.




"...the bishops said they "keep walking, keep talking", and let God be God and allow Him to transform the attitude and behavior of people, exercise more "listening", "patience", "reaffirm Lambeth 1:10 resolution" and accept that it was a mistake to ignore it, and, above all, cease cross provincial and diocesan borders to "create space for creative responses."

There is no life here, only gutless death. This collection of humans (at least by association) is a laughing stock! Only this is not funny.
I'm afraid that God will indeed be God, and we are in big trouble!
Isaac
Posted: 2008/8/1 22:51  Updated: 2008/8/1 22:51
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
Actually, jfmckenna, today the Prime Minister selects the Archbishop of Canterbury from a couple of nominees made by the Crown Nominations Committee.

For what it's worth.

Isaac
Isaac
Posted: 2008/8/1 22:55  Updated: 2008/8/1 22:55
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
Quote:

"Some Episcopal Church bishops today apologized to members of their Indaba groups saying they had no idea that their action in consecrating the homosexual Bishop of New Hampshire had caused such a negative impact in many parts of the communion, despite the fact that the consecration of Gene Robinson occurred more than five years ago."

Wow. How many Bishops do you think that could be? One, two, maybe three at most?

Isaac
cuervoria
Posted: 2008/8/1 23:11  Updated: 2008/8/1 23:11
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
Quote:
. . . they had no idea . . .


How does a church get to the point where so many of its leaders are clueless about what the laity want, need, think?

I agree with Cennydd: Christians in the UK would benefit by disestablishment. As it is now, the C of E with its government tentacles hampers the work of Christ.

The detatchment and arrogance of TEC clergy I can't explain as easily. Perhaps we have ourselves to blame for being complacent.

de la Cuervoria
Cennydd
Posted: 2008/8/2 0:56  Updated: 2008/8/2 0:56
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
Cuervoria, for over forty years, we sat back in the pews, grew complacent, ignored what was going on in the Episcopal Church, and look at what happened as a result!

I would hazard to guess that 90% of the people in in the pews....ordinary people....had not a single clue of what was happening to their Church, and a good many of them couldn't have cared less!

They were only concerned about the four walls of their local parish church; never mind what was happening over at St Swithin's in the Fields, or
at St Maggie's Down the Road!

When I was a delegate to Deanery and to diocesan convention in my former diocese just to the west of us, I found it difficult to talk to people about what the Church in the diocese was doing, because they just didn't care!

It was always the same people....year in and year out....who served on the vestry, staged the shindigs, and looked askance at newcomers as if they had the plague. "Old money" talked in that parish, and it showed! If you were a military enlisted family, the usual comment from these folks was "Oh, how interesting," because they knew they knew that for them, the money was usually "tight."

When my wife and I moved to our present home and church, there was a difference like between night and day, and it got even better when our diocese left TEC! Thank God we made the move!

Cennydd
Ikerliker
Posted: 2008/8/2 2:29  Updated: 2008/8/2 2:29
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
"Bishops of the Anglican Communion threw in the towel today finally admitting that they could not "avoid homosexual/lesbian relations" in their Indaba groups, and that there was no way forward on such a communion-breaking issue."

NO duh! It took all this time to figure that out!!!!!!

My head hurts now from the stupidity!
railbirdbc
Posted: 2008/8/2 2:46  Updated: 2008/8/2 2:46
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
Question: How many Episcopal bishops does it take to change a light bulb?

Answer: Several hundred. It takes one to to screw in the light bulb, and the remainder to screw the whole communion.
johncarl
Posted: 2008/8/2 4:27  Updated: 2008/8/2 4:27
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
and that in some places the church is ridiculed as the "gay church" resulting in lost membership.

Ya think?
Voyager
Posted: 2008/8/2 5:52  Updated: 2008/8/2 5:52
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
What next ? Belgium has no laws against incest. How long before ECUSA has sibling marriage ? How long before parents can marry children ?

Are there any boundaries inside ECUSA or will Genesis 19 be used by ECUSA to move in new directions of biblical interpretation ?

It is funny how Deontological Argument is used to bounce God into a position akin to preppy prelates rather than any values He might have considered Eternal
chaps
Posted: 2008/8/3 3:08  Updated: 2008/8/3 3:08
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
Good comments by all.

jfmckenna wrote:
“Having a queen choose the presiding archbishop is silly (who knows? maybe Camilla is in charge).”

Yes, State control of the Church is a large measure of the problem.

Isaac wrote:
“The Prime Minister selects the Archbishop of Canterbury from a couple of nominees made by the Crown Nominations Committee.”

Thank you for pointing out the details (I couldn't remember exactly how it works). The point is still the same: the Church of England is a State church, and that is a major factor in the secularization of the Church of England.

Cennydd wrote:
“There are times when I believe that the best thing that could happen to the Church of England would be disestablishment, and I think this is one of those times.”

If it had been done a long time ago, disestablishment would have enabled the Church of England to set itself aright, but now it probably wouldn't make any difference–the majority is already secular-progressive.

jfmckenna wrote:
“Elect Akinola for a term of a few years and have a Lambeth-style conference in Nigeria in three or four years. Then elect someone else and have a Lambeth-style conference in his country.”

Yes, we need a Presiding Bishop of the Global Anglican Communion, in which the Church of England will be a mere constituent body.

daveball wrote:
“Canterbury Anglicanism is done, toast, fried, finished.... While Evangelicals are the numerical center of gravity, GAFCON won't successfully launch without the Anglo-Catholics. The obvious fault line here is women's ordination. Deal with it folks or we will have more splintering. It can't be simply listed as 'let's agree to disagree.' ”

Anglicanism has no claim to Apostolic Succession unless it follows the Apostolic Faith, which follows Scripture and Holy Tradition. Since there is no basis in Scripture for the ordination of women and it is explicitly condemned by Holy Tradition, Anglican orders will become invalid if the ordination of women continues. Neither the Roman Catholics nor the Orthodox will *ever* recognize Anglican orders unless the ordination of women stops NOW. We have reached the time when the GAFCON participants need to “either fish or cut bait”–accept the fullness of the Apostolic Faith or admit that they have abandoned it. The ugly reality is that the ordination of women comes from the same flawed thinking as many other errors of secular-progressivism–that the Church needs to adapt its beliefs to society instead of the other way round. This way of thinking has come from spending too long in or under the influence of TEc and it has infected nearly every aspect of their theology, including their worship. For example, most CCP parishes are still using the 1979 BCP and they strongly resist changing to anything else–most of the laity and their clergy see the 1979 BCP as authoritative and they either agree with or are unwilling to confront the errors in it.

In deciding to allow women bishops without provisions for Anglo-Catholics, the CoE (like TEc) made it clear that Anglo-Catholics are no longer welcome. In the Jerusalem Declaration, the GAFCON partners made it clear that Anglo-Catholics are not welcome there either. Despite previous reassurances to the contrary, CANA now has received at least one female priest. The GAFCON participants and CCP need to stop receiving/ordaining women and welcome Anglo-Catholics or they're going to go elsewhere and GAFCON will become just another Protestant denomination.

Blessings,

chaps+
Voyager
Posted: 2008/8/3 5:07  Updated: 2008/8/3 5:07
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Yes, State control of the Church is a large measure of the problem.


Really ? There is no State control. It is an Established Church as was the Church of Rome in every country before The Reformation.

ECUSA is not a "State Church" but it is far less porthodox than the Church of England which is only permitted by Parliament to use the 1662 Book of Common Prayer.

If the Church were really a State Church it would not use liturgies like ASB or CW but would obey Parliament and use only the 1662 Prayer Book which it has sidelined.

The problem with the Church of England is that it behaves like ECUSA
chaps
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 Re: LAMBETH: Bishops Tackle Homosexuality in Bid to Avert...
Voyager wrote:
“There is no State control....”

Please don't be facetious–it distracts from serious discussion. As ++Henry Luke Orambi (Uganda) said on Friday, the Archbishop of Canterbury “is not even elected by his peers. Even the Pope is elected by his peers, but what Anglicans have is a man appointed by a secular government.” If this only affected England, the rest of the Communion could afford to ignore it, but it affects all Anglicans. As ++Orambi said, “Over the past five years, we have come to see this as a remnant of British colonialism, and it is not serving us well. The spiritual leadership of a global communion of independent and autonomous provinces should not be reduced to one man appointed by a secular government.”

Blessings,

chaps+
Voyager
Posted: 2008/8/3 15:25  Updated: 2008/8/3 15:25
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The spiritual leadership of a global communion of independent and autonomous provinces should not be reduced to one man appointed by a secular government.”

The Church of England is OUR Church. We do not want an Anglican Communion - we don't need these Colonial Churches. They should go away and leave the Church of England alone.

All the problems have come from US Episcopalians who bought their way into Anglicanism and attempted a takeover through subversion by having women priests and then to impose their societal decadence on others.

It is from the US that heresy is exported not from the Church of England. Why should foreigners be permitted to elect our Church leaders ?

Why is the President of the United States permitted to select the Chairman of the Federal Reserve rather than the IMF members electing him ?

Why isn't the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court elected ?

Why are they supposedly independent because politicians select them ?
chaps
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Voyager wrote:
“The Church of England is OUR Church.”

The CoE is Christ's Church, not yours or mine.

Voyager wrote:
“We do not want an Anglican Communion ...”

Since it is Christ's Church, the issue is what Christ wants, not what you want. The key question is whether He wants an Anglican Communion.

Voyager wrote:
“... we don't need these Colonial Churches.”

What matters is what Christ needs, not what you need. Does Christ need what you refer to as “these Colonial Churches”? If not, why did He lead the CoE to start them?

Voyager wrote:
“They should go away and leave the Church of England alone.”

Do you believe that Christ wants “these Colonial Churches” to separate from the CoE? If so, please reconcile that with His prayer in the Garden on the night before His crucifixion: “that they all may be one” (Jn 17:21).

Voyager wrote:
“All the problems have come from US Episcopalians ...”

It's easier to blame outsiders than it is to confront one's own culpability. Some in ECUSA have adversely influenced the CoE, but that doesn't absolve the CoE from responsibility.

Voyager wrote:
“... who bought their way into Anglicanism ...”

ECUSA didn't buy its “way into Anglicanism”–it started off as one of “these Colonial Churches.”

Voyager wrote:
“... and attempted a takeover through subversion by having women priests and then to impose their societal decadence on others.”

Secular-progressives in ECUSA have collaborated with secular-progressives in the CoE, but the CoE's secular-progressives are home-grown.

Voyager wrote:
“It is from the US that heresy is exported not from the Church of England.”

Are you saying that Rowan Williams isn't a heretic?

Voyager wrote:
“Why should foreigners be permitted to elect our Church leaders?”

If the leader of 'your' Church is going to be the primus inter pares of the Anglican Communion, he needs to be elected by the Archbishops of the Anglican Communion.

Voyager wrote:
“Why is the President of the United States permitted to select the Chairman of the Federal Reserve rather than the IMF members electing him?”

Because the Chairman of the Federal Reserve is only accountable to the US Government, not the IMF.

Voyager wrote:
“Why isn't the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court elected?”

Part of the duties of the Judicial Branch is to decide conflicts between the other two Branches, so it makes sense for Chief Justice to be nominated by one Branch (Executive) and confirmed by the other (Legislative).

Voyager wrote:
“Why are they supposedly independent because politicians select them?”

The confirmation process helps moderate the extremes, but they aren't independent.

What you conveniently ignore is the obvious parallel to the Pope. The Pope is the Bishop of Rome, but he is elected by the College of Cardinals from around the world.

Blessings,

chaps+
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