JERUSALEM: "I will continue to rescue Episcopal Dioceses" - Archbishop Venables
Southern Cone Leader Hopes GAFCON Statement will be dealt with at Lambeth
By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
6/27/2008
The Archbishop of the Southern Cone, the Most Rev. Gregory Venables says he will go to the Lambeth Conference. He hopes Lambeth leaders and Dr. Williams will confront the GAFCON statement, but he will, meantime, continue to rescue orthodox Episcopal dioceses who request it.
Speaking at a press conference at the Renaissance Hotel in West Jerusalem today, the Evangelical archbishop said about attending Lambeth, "after consulting with a large number of people, each of us decided to make our own personal decision, not a group decision and to honor each other's decision. I felt it was right for me to be there."
Asked if he was delivering an ultimatum to the Archbishop of Canterbury, Sydney Archbishop Peter Jensen said, "I believe, no, the very existent of the conference has got to be taken into account. It is not a parallel or rival to the Lambeth Conference. The sheer existence of GAFCON poses a challenge now and to others in the Communion."
On the outcome of Lambeth, Venables said he hoped Lambeth would deal with the situation and that those going to Lambeth would talk about today's business, not yesterday's.
"I personally would like everyone to be at Lambeth, but I respect those who don't go. We must respect each others' consciences."
Asked if he would go to the communion table at Lambeth with American bishops, Venables said he spoke with Rowan Williams and said in October 2003 that he could not take communion. "I cannot take communion from people who do not believe Jesus is the Son of God. We are in a state of broken communion. In 2008 those same people have continued to walk away from the gospel. I have to show that what they have done is seriously wrong. We need to help to understand where we are coming from."
Venables said that the Anglican Communion is going on. "We are an important part of the Anglican Communion. I hope people listen."
Venables praised those who pulled GAFCON together saying it was done on a short notice. "My reactions have been very good. We have had great networking here. There has been a good level of sharing. We have been quick to listen."
Asked if he would try and persuade the Archbishop of Canterbury of GAFCON's validity, Venables said at this stage the ABC "knows what we think, we have had many conversations, no one has any doubt about what we are all about. There is not much need to listen any more. There is need to dialogue. We need to connect and listen to each other and really hear each other."
Asked by VOL if a working paper by Bishop John Rodgers, suggesting that a GAFCON decree be in place by early 2009 for a reformed Global Anglican Family, Jensen said that Rodgers is a respected theologian, but his statement represents his own point of view and is not an official document.
Jensen blasted The Episcopal Church. "The American revisionists committed a strategic blunder in 2003. I don't think they believed there would be consequences. It was a horrific strategic blunder they committed and there are consequences. The consequences are unfolding and our churches are divided."
"Our churches are now divided and a permanent division exists around the world. The sleeping giant of evangelical and orthodox Anglicanism has been roused in Canada and the US. It was an act of folly."
Asked by VOL if there would be a formal ratification of a new North American province, Jensen said, "We'll know on Sunday."
Questioned about Dr. J.I. Packer's call for the Archbishop of Canterbury to resign because he had failed to uphold Lambeth Resolution 1:10, Venables replied, "What Packer said is a clear paradox of the situation."
Jensen described GAFCON as something of a ramshackle airplane. "It is one of the most extraordinary spiritual experiences I have ever had. Is the plane going to land? I see no landing place, but I believe the plane is going to make a successful landing. GAFCON is bringing light into the darkness."
The two Primates will share a platform in London next week with Dr. Packer and Ugandan Archbishop Henry Luke Orombi at All Souls' Langham Place in London to bring English Evangelicals up to speed with the statement and the GAFCON conference that has met for the past week in Jerusalem.
Asked by VOL if he would continue to take orthodox Episcopal dioceses under his ecclesiastical wing if called upon to do so, Venables said yes. "I will do this as long as there is a need in this transitional emergency period and a true fellowship of believing Christians is intact."
American theologian Dr. Edith Humphrey, who chaired the Marriage and Family workshops, said there is a great need to strengthen Christian families. Questioned by VOL if homosexuality was on the agenda, Humphrey said that it was talked about as a subset issue, led by the Rev. Mario Bergner, a recovered homosexual now married with five children. He is an Episcopal priest in the Diocese of Massachusetts. Bergner talked about the issue, but it occupied about one tenth of the time in conversation.
"We asked what the major crisis in Christian families was and we saw it as a crisis of authority. We were concerned about where children fit in."
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| SheepFeed | Posted: 2008/6/27 19:01 Updated: 2008/6/27 22:08 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/10/22 From: Posts: 134 |
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There it is, the truth, spoken in love. Venerables is the man! SheepFeed |
| Ikerliker | Posted: 2008/6/27 19:08 Updated: 2008/6/27 19:08 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/1/16 From: PA Posts: 2046 |
++Venables is an amazing man. His leadership and unwaivering biblical faith is what we should except from every bishop. Can you imagine how much different things would be if even the majority of bishops were cut from the same cloth as ++Greg? That is the future I want to see.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/6/27 20:19 Updated: 2008/6/27 20:24 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
It took decades for the leaders of The Episcopal Church to scheme and connive with the immoral LBGT crowd, their supporters and the Women's Libbers in the takeover of a once-proud and great Church, and turn it into the conservative-hating apostate social club that it now is, and in the space of five years, they have consecrated a non-celibate gay man who deserted his wife and children (supposedly amicably) for another non-celibate gay man!
During the process, they have managed to alienate most of the Anglican Communion, placed Christianity in dire jeopardy, soured relations with Rome, caused Orthodoxy to break relations with us, and adopted an "In your face" attitude toward those who dare to disagree with them; persecuting faithful Anglican Christian bishops for merely trying to serve Christ as He commanded us all to do, hounded faithful Christians from their Church properties while all of the time scheming to seize properties which TEC never paid for, and even now are scheming to pass a canon authorizing the terrorization and punishment of lay officers of missions and parishes if they refuse to toe the official TEC "line." Schori and Company will no doubt regard our archbishop's remarks as a slap in the face and an affront to their precious sacred "polity," and that's to be expected from such as them and their ilk. What they REALLY NEED is a good swift kick in the pants! Cennydd |
| Deesend | Posted: 2008/6/27 22:37 Updated: 2008/6/27 22:37 |
Not too shy to talk ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/2/15 From: Iowa Posts: 25 |
Sometimes Cennydd I wish you would tell us how you really feel. I just looked at all the pictures from GAfcon. Tears of envy came to my eyes. I can't even go to a church that is praying for Gafcon.
My son and his wife are leaving TEC, my grandson and his wife are leaving TEC and most likely will join a REC parish near them (lucky them), my granddaughter will leave TEC. And the new, first great grandchild will not be marked as Christ's own in the TEC. We're all in different revisionist diocese around the U.S. A good Swift Kick in the pants would only be good if I get to witness same...... ![]() |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/6/27 23:30 Updated: 2008/6/28 1:29 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
Deesend, my feelings are those of relief.
Relief that we in our diocese are free from the domination of a church hierarchy which has gone completely off the deep end in two generations, which is apostate and heretical, and which is leading unknowing and so often uncaring pew warmers down the Primrose Path to Perdition. Relief that, in +John-David Schofield and ++Gregory James Venables, we have prelates who are not afraid to stand up for what they believe is right, and relief in knowing that we are free from the tyranny which is masquerading as "Christian bishops," while at the same time proving that they are Secular Humanists parading in miters and robes. But there's another feeling, and it's one of sadness; sadness in knowing that none of this ever would've happened if The Episcopal Church hadn't seen fit to bring such radical theologians such as Rudolf Bultmann and others into the seminaries to spread their poison. There is relief in knowing that we are FREE! I pray that one day you too will know the freedom that WE know! Cennydd |
| culdee662 | Posted: 2008/6/28 11:34 Updated: 2008/6/28 11:34 |
Not too shy to talk ![]() ![]() Joined: 2008/3/20 From: Posts: 21 |
This is a most-gratifying "read." Hearing from Primate Venables certainly gives me "news I can use" in the "Patmos" which perforce I must endure.
Archbishop Venables, CANA, Global South Anglican, and David Virtue are THE proper nouns to which my 'inner compass' points of late. I know them by their works ['fruits'-- a good tree puts out good fruit-- His Sermon(s) said.] And clearly with the eviction from the house of Bad Fruits in the depositions of worthies Schofield & Cox-- the choice of corrupt trees/houses is by no means problematic at this point. SO: I choose "The South" with this inner compass. How brave under 'fire' these new-found-saints truly are!!!! --Vernon Lynn Stephens, Culdee In the Desert Over on 8th Street Nitty Gritty City Louisville, Kentucky USA |
| patulous | Posted: 2008/6/28 13:57 Updated: 2008/6/28 13:57 |
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God bless Bishop Venables as he works for our Lord. Bishop Venables would be a good ABC of canterbury in the UK's hour of need.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/6/28 15:46 Updated: 2008/6/28 15:46 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
I don't in the least bit mind saying that he would've been INFINITELY better than Rowan Williams in the first place!
If he were to head a new Communion, or even a reformed Anglican Communion, of which we were a part and The Episcopal Church wasn't, Anglicanism would be much the better off for it. Would he accept the job if it were offered to him? Who knows? Cennydd |
| Getmeowt | Posted: 2008/6/28 22:05 Updated: 2008/6/28 22:05 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2008/1/23 From: Posts: 126 |
The official release is out from GAFCON and I found it on StandFirm.
David V--your thoughts, please, even thought it's the middle of the NIGHT!!!!! |
| Fiona | Posted: 2008/6/28 22:21 Updated: 2008/6/28 22:21 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/1/18 From: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 1070 |
While I appreciate the fact that the Archbishop of the Southern Cone is going to continue to rescue dioceses, what about the people who continue to be in areas (Episcopal dioceses) where there is no such presence? I myself am waiting for some interest from the new Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin in their neighbors to the west in the Episcopal Diocese of California.
Fiona |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/6/29 0:11 Updated: 2008/6/29 0:11 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
Fiona, I know there's a lot of dissatisfaction in the Dioceses of California and El Camino Real, but I haven't been able to find any figures on that.
You may rest assured that we haven't lost touch with all of you in the Bay Area, and speaking for myself, at least, you're in my prayers all of the time. My wife and I, and friends of ours here in Los Banos have many friends in San Jose and the surrounding areas, and although they have yet to express unease at what's happening in TEC, there does seem to be some underlying feeling about that. I know that you are in +John-David's thoughts and prayers. Cennydd |
| Howell | Posted: 2008/6/29 2:03 Updated: 2008/6/29 2:03 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/1/13 From: Colorado Posts: 441 |
I too am greatly heartened by what is coming out of GAFCOn and the Pittsburgh effort. However this will all take time before a significant-sized orthodox parish arrives in north Denver. Being age 70, I'm not sure I can wait as long as it is going to take to be able to worship "among fellow believers". Therefore I am getting closer and closer to crossing the Tiber.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/6/29 5:12 Updated: 2008/6/29 5:12 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
Howell, you and I are the same age. I am committed to the reform of Anglicanism and to the creation of the new orthodox province in this country....no matter how long it takes!
In the meantime, have you considered helping to organize an orthodox Anglican mission in your area of Colorado? Cennydd |
| quest | Posted: 2008/7/17 23:25 Updated: 2008/7/17 23:25 |
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I became an Anglican many years ago in Pittsburgh because, after much study, I had become convinced that the Anglican form of worship with the 39 Articles, was the closest to that of the early church. I later moved to Central Florida and still had no idea there were enormous problems in the Church until I became computer literate and joined an Episcopal News Group. What a terrible shock! I began to pray for my beloved Church. I prayed for revival. I prayed that G_d would separate the goats from the sheep. The Scriptures tell us that "old men will dream dreams". After months of prayer G_d showed me the future in a dream. I saw a city of gold resting on white clouds except everything was upside down. I then hear a voice say "this shall be the future". I woke up and immediately thought, "the future is in the South". G_d had chosen this time, and he has chosen special men to lead us out of "Egypt". G_d bless our Bishops in the Global South; They have been chosen.
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