J..I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN
By David W. Virtue in Jerusalem
www.virtueonline.org
6/26/2008
A leading world orthodox Anglican theologian has called on the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams to resign because he has failed to uphold the Church's teaching on human sexuality.
Speaking at Holy Trinity Eastbourne, England recently, Dr. J. I. Packer, author of numerous books and a Professor of Theology at Regent College, Vancouver, BC in Canada, responded to the question, what he would say if he had five minutes with the Archbishop of Canterbury? said, "he is not qualified to lead the Anglican Communion and enforce the rules laid down at the Lambeth Conference in 1998."
(Resolution 1:10 called on Anglicans to uphold faithfulness in marriage between a man and a woman in lifelong union, and said that abstinence is right for those who are not called to marriage.)
Dr. Packer recently had his license revoked by revisionist Anglican New Westminster Bishop Michael Ingham. He is now officially aligned with the Anglican Network in Canada, (ANiC), a rival, alternative orthodox Anglican Church in that country.
At the meeting in Eastbourne, Packer laid out four issues in the current culture wars debate among Anglicans. The issues are Orthodoxy, Anglicanism, Liberalism and Homosexuality.
On Orthodoxy, Packer said that he sees this as a synonym for Evangelicalism, which focuses on the teaching of the Bible (because it acknowledges the authority of the Bible) and on the message of the Gospel (being based on Faith and Repentance).
On Anglicanism, Packer highlighted two different views - those who saw Anglicanism as being bound up with historical practices (defined by traditions) and those who saw it being defined by principles contained in the Creeds, Prayer Book, The 39 Articles etc. Packer made it clear he stood in the second camp - Anglicanism is based on principles. He also stated that he believed Anglicanism is "the richest version of Evangelicalism that the world has seen".
On Liberalism, Packer used the 4 S's to define liberalism.
* Subordinates Scripture to the culture and individualistic Christian experience
* Sanctifies the Secular
* Scales down the Supernatural
* Sweeps away Biblical Standards On Homosexuality.
He made it clear that he was talking about the practice and not the temptation. Packer gave examples of temptations and how we should not yield to them, including homosexual temptations. We should not yield to temptations because these actions are defined as sin by the Bible, he said.
Dr. Packer gave an historical overview of the situation in the Canadian church, its history, how it happened and how things stand now. He said that bishops are no longer just theoretical heretics, but are heretics in practice. He referred to Acts 27:27, where the apostle Paul stood faithful in the storm. He then used this as a metaphor to speak of being faithful through the storm in the hope of reaching land. Packer then asked: What is God doing to the Anglican Communion?
* Purging of liberalism
* Preparing faithful Anglicans for counter-cultural and enterprising mission Question: What is the pattern of 'alternative oversight' doing to the Anglican Communion?
* Drawing together a fellowship of the Orthodox
* Parallel jurisdictions are disrupting the traditional diocese/province model Question: What are those who have 'realigned' to do now?
* Pioneer faithful Christian outreach
* Renewal of teaching, mission and discipleship Question: How should English Evangelicals react?
* Watch and Pray
http://www.holytrinityeastbourne.org.uk/sermons/20080624talk.mp3
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| Fidelis | Posted: 2008/6/26 8:34 Updated: 2008/6/26 8:34 |
Just can't stay away   Joined: 2008/2/25 From: Sydney Posts: 72 |
 Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGNAnd around the world evangelicals said: "Amen to that, Jim Packer!"
Wouldn't it be marvellous if he took this message to Lambeth, if only to shame those bishops who would kowtow to Canterbury and betray their office. |
| JasonWard | Posted: 2008/6/26 8:39 Updated: 2008/6/26 8:39 |
Just popping in  Joined: 2007/4/5 From: Posts: 9 |
Re: J.I. PACKER - An outstanding summary of the current situation That must have been a cracker of a meeting, becuase that is a brilliant summary of our current position and look at the way forward.
I especially like his 4 "s"s of liberalism, especially "sanctifies the secular" whilst desanctifying scripture. Very incisive. A look at the divide between liberals and evangelicals shows a struggle to understand why we get so stuck on scripture, and why they see in the experience of christians and non-christians the voice of the Holy Spirit, contradicting what we think he said in the first place. I'm going to print that one off... And Canada got rid of him. Shame on you. |
| sentinel | Posted: 2008/6/26 11:52 Updated: 2008/6/26 11:52 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2006/6/11 From: Posts: 261 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN Quote:
On Orthodoxy Packer said that he sees this as a synonym for Evangelicalism I would venture to say that Dr. Packer is speaking of something entirely different that the happy-clappy, quasi-charismatic neo-evangelicalism that currently exists. He is no doubt speaking of the classical evangelicalism of men such as Cranmer. Latimer, Ridley, Whitgift, Nowell, Jewel, etc. |
| ctowles | Posted: 2008/6/26 12:27 Updated: 2008/6/26 12:27 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/12/4 From: Posts: 477 |
Jason "We get stuck on scripture" because there is so little truthfulness in the Anglican Communion. That doublespeak deceit characterized as nuance by our leader Rowan Williams is a prime example. Nuance for Williams is the idea of presenting one idea and verbally expanding the thoughtline beyond all reason to reach secondary and tertiary ideas supposedly linked to the first, an example being, "baptized into the full life of Christ" which is through nuance seen as approving actively practicizing homosexual Bishops and through implication Archbishops. The belief that a nuanced Baptismal Covenant trumps Biblical scripture is the crazy Alice in Wonderland world in which they live. Rowan will lead the Communion to ruin. Does anyone really believe that an anus is the moral equivalent of a vagina which is what Rowan asks us to believe?
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/6/26 12:48 Updated: 2008/6/26 12:56 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN Halleluiah! A classic example of in-your-face "advice" from the Senior
Statesman of world Anglican Christianity to the man leading the Communion down the Primrose Path of oblivion! Well done, Dr Packer! Cennydd |
| patulous | Posted: 2008/6/26 12:53 Updated: 2008/6/26 12:53 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2007/5/18 From: Posts: 1746 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN Quote: Before you became Archbishop, you went in to print cautiously approving gay relationships. It is known, and you don't deny, that you have ordained at least one person who is a practising homosexual. Now you say that you are seeking to uphold the Anglican consensus of the Lambeth conference of 1998 which says that homosexual behaviour is absolutely off limits, but when asked whether you have changed your own mind on this matter, you say no.
Our previous hopes that this would somehow turn around, even at New Orleans, are now explained by Dr. Packer. Rowan williams, is just like I said in another post, is a closet homosexual. Apparently Dr. Packer was moved to say what he knew and this will now change the outlook of the communion. How many fense riding bishops will react in favor or against the ABC at this point, now that this information is out? I guess we will have to wait and see. Thanks, Dr. Packer for telling us, even if you had to wait until your 80's. This is good information for GAFCON to work with during their meetings. |
| Leonard | Posted: 2008/6/26 16:03 Updated: 2008/6/26 16:03 |
Just can't stay away  Joined: 2004/11/2 From: Denver Posts: 141 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN Too bad there's not a thousand more of him!
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| Causidicus | Posted: 2008/6/26 17:20 Updated: 2008/6/26 17:21 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/7/3 From: Posts: 1065 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN A thousand of J.I. Packer? I'll bet there are at least ten times that many in spirit already.
As for Rowan "The Ostrich" Williams he seems to still have the backing of the state, if not the Church, but with the creation of a serious competing structure out of Gafcon can anyone out there put together a sentence that uses the word "disestablishment" together with the words "new Anglican reformation"? |
| Ikerliker | Posted: 2008/6/26 17:47 Updated: 2008/6/26 17:47 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2007/1/16 From: PA Posts: 2046 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN Since Rowan Williams has stated he will never resign, he needs to be removed. Yesterday!
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/6/26 22:52 Updated: 2008/6/26 22:57 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN The ONLY way to get him involuntarily removed from office is via Parliament. Unless I'm mistaken, Her Majesty the Queen can ask for his resignation, but Parliament has sole authority to sack him.
But, of course, I do agree that Rowan has got to go! The trouble is, though, we'd still have the same Communion unless we get rid of all of the heretics. To do that, we'll need a new Communion! Hmmm.....not a bad idea! Let's work on it! Cennydd |
| otispage2 | Posted: 2008/6/27 2:14 Updated: 2008/6/27 2:17 |
Home away from home Joined: 2007/3/14 From: Posts: 602 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN Packer for Pope of a new Communion!
Authorize Packer to act with dictatorial control in establishing a new Communion. Packer should act and advise the Queen of his actions! |
| Gander | Posted: 2008/6/28 22:27 Updated: 2008/6/28 22:27 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/5/31 From: Less than 1 Earth diameter away Posts: 452 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN Very powerful and needed.
I do wish that "*Sweeps away Biblical Standards On Homosexuality." Would read: "*Sweeps away Biblical Standards On marriage." I don't think the Bible has standards for Homosexuality. Don |
| Sandeez | Posted: 2008/6/29 19:37 Updated: 2008/6/29 19:37 |
Not too shy to talk  Joined: 2007/11/29 From: Heavenly Posts: 25 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN There was a report on here earlier about splitting from Canterbury, very detailed, not it is no longer posted, can anyone tell me what happened to it.? Headline something like Anglican communion splits from Canterbury, I know I saw it and read it and the responces of other to it? Prehaps it was premature,I passed the news on to others and now I no long see this info.
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| MichaelA | Posted: 2008/7/3 6:20 Updated: 2008/7/3 6:20 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/5/29 From: Posts: 869 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN Sandeez, all the reports are normally still there, but VOL can only fit so many on the front page. I suggest going to the top left hand corner and click on one of the categories. Probably "World News" is the best start. That will take you to a page with all the articles ever published in that category on VOL.
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| RMBruton | Posted: 2008/7/4 21:18 Updated: 2008/7/4 21:19 |
Just can't stay away  Joined: 2006/11/4 From: Biloxi, MS Posts: 107 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN Sentinel,
You raise some interesting distinctions. As an evangelical and a presbyter, affiliated with CANA, I have stuck with the original 1662 BCP, Ordinal and the Articles in their plain and intended meaning. I adhere to the use of the Authorized version and actually read the Homilies. In other words, to some, I am a relic of a bygone era, a dinosaur of sorts. So much of what passes for contemporary "Evangelicalism" these days is just as you describe, happy-clappy, quasi-charismatic and neo-evangelical. It is not at all rooted in the Evangelicalism of the English Reformers. We know who Rowan Williams is and what he stands for, what I am not entirely sure of is what the neo-evangelicals stand for? I am afraid that we are far from out of the woods. |
| RMBruton | Posted: 2008/7/9 21:38 Updated: 2008/7/9 21:38 |
Just can't stay away Joined: 2006/11/4 From: Biloxi, MS Posts: 107 |
Re: J.I. PACKER CALLS ON ROWAN WILLIAMS TO RESIGN Well with the vote of the General Synod of the C of E going in favor of women bishops it appears as though the revisionists have solidified their strangle hold on the Established Church. I do not see Cantuar packing it in anytime soon, so I guess that Dr. Packer's call has gone unheeded. No one else seems to be posting on this thread, so I will put that hope to rest.
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