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SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Conference
By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
6/2/2008
In what can only be viewed as a major slap in the face at orthodox Episcopalians and Anglicans the Archbishop of Canterbury has invited the fly-in bishop of San Joaquin, Jerry A. Lamb, to the Lambeth Conference in Canterbury in July.
In a "Dear Friends," letter, Lamb said he received an e-mail three days ago from the office of the manager of the Lambeth Conference saying "we are expecting you at the Lambeth Conference".
Lamb said he was wondering when the invitation would arrive or even, (on) some days, if it would ever come to Jane and me. "Well, it is here and we are making plans to attend. We attended the Conference in 1998 when I was the Bishop of Northern California."
Lamb said he was pleased to be going, but said he was more pleased because this was a clear sign from the Anglican Communion that the Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin is the only Anglican Diocese in all of inland Central California. "I received this invitation because I am your Bishop and, therefore, entitled to attend the Lambeth Conference as the Bishop of the Diocese of San Joaquin recognized by the Archbishop of Canterbury."
A spokesman for the Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin said Bishop John-David Schofield has not been uninvited to Lambeth. He has received his study guide and reservations. "He still has a standing invitation to go," said the Rev. Bill Gandenberger, Canon to the Ordinary.
Gandenberger noted that Bishop Schofield has been removed from the official Anglican Communion website in the same way the Diocese of Recife and Bishop Robinson Cavilcanti have also been obscured and removed.
He said the bishop would be attending the GAFCON meeting in Jerusalem in two weeks.
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| Damascus | Posted: 2008/6/2 22:03 Updated: 2008/6/2 22:10 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2004/9/26 From: Republic of Karelia Posts: 642 |
 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer...Lamb said he was pleased to be going, but said he was more pleased because this was a clear sign from the Anglican Communion that the Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin is the only Anglican Diocese in all of inland Central California. "I received this invitation because I am your Bishop and, therefore, entitled to attend the Lambeth Conference as the Bishop of the Diocese of San Joaquin recognized by the Archbishop of Canterbury."
It is hardly a surprise that Lamb has been invited. Despite the highly irregular manner in which Bishop Schofield was "deposed" and Lamb was "elected," Lamb is the designated TEC bishop for the remnant that chooses to remain within the Episcopal Church. He appears to be overstating the case for him being the only bishop recognized by the Anglican Communion. It might be more accurate to say I am the only Bishop of San Joaquin whose last name begins with "L" recognized by the Anglican Communion. The more interesting fact is that Schofield is still invited and planning to attend Lambeth. I guess the obvious question should be, if Schofield is still invited after moving over to the Southern Cone, why are Minns and some of the others who are bishops of African provinces still not invited? I don't really see the reasoning behind this. If a guy is a bishop in good standing within his province, one would think that he should be invited. I would include Robinson in this. The problem is not in Robinson so much as in the apostate climate within TEC that allowed him to be elected, approved by General Convention, and consecrated. If those bishops that voted to approve him and actually participated in his consecration are invited, what sense does it make to exclude him. Rowan is trying to find some supposed "middle ground" but there seems to be no logic whatsoever to his methods. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/6/2 22:27 Updated: 2008/6/2 22:28 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 7348 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... If I remember correctly, bishops attending Lambeth are supposed to be physically resident in the dioceses which they lead.
+Lamb and his wife do not live in California. His office may be in Stockton, but the question is, does he maintain an apartment there, or does 815 pay the rent for their "vagrante bishop?" Do they "pop in" once in a while? Bishop Schofield is a member in good standing of the House of Bishops in the Church of the Anglican Province of the Southern Cone of the Americas, and as such is a full-fledged bishop of the Anglican Communion....regardless of what retired bishop Jerry Lamb and his pals say or think! If +John-David Schofield is disinvited, that will be a slap in the face for our province, our archbishop, and our bishops, and I don't think Rowan Cantuar is stupid enough to tell him not to show up. I don't think he's lacking in common sense. If Williams wants to guarantee the final breakup of the Anglican Communion, all he needs to do is to continue to kowtow to Schori and Company. If he does, he'll lose close to 40 million people. I can't wait to see what happens at GAFCON! It ought to be interesting! Cennydd |
| john123 | Posted: 2008/6/2 22:27 Updated: 2008/6/2 22:27 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2006/7/12 From: Posts: 440 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... Good afternoon Damascus.
The question I have to ask is why anyone would even bother attempting to analyse anything that comes out of Canterbury or Lambeth or Williams. Nothing associated with this lot has any meaning or rationality. It is a waste of time. The orthodox are moving on and getting on with God's work. Those who still shilly-shally will catch up. As an aside. The new and improved bishop of Olympia WA chaired a meeting at the local cult HQ in Bellingham, WA in recent times. When asked the question as to same sex marriages, I am told he showed great leadership qualities by stating that he was going to leave this question to the discretion of the individual parish priest. Need I remind you that the former head priest of St Pauls, Bellingham, and many of the orthodox, had already established a new Anglican Church in Bellingham. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/6/2 22:29 Updated: 2008/6/2 22:32 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 7348 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... I also think that Bishop Minns and others should show up at Lambeth! After all, if Vickie Gene can do it, why not them, too?
After all, all's fair in love and war, isn't it? Cennydd |
| ZachD | Posted: 2008/6/2 23:55 Updated: 2008/6/2 23:56 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/11/10 From: Posts: 1812 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... Hmmm,
When I attended shop steward training some years ago, I was told that "fair" is just another four letter word beginning with "F". I say, let the buffoons simply 'go for it'! The actions of the arses an the head of the parade will simply provide GAFCON with more proofs of what they need, to make godly decisions for their future. Our future. May our Lord's will be made manifest before us! [Bless you, Charlie.] |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/6/3 1:12 Updated: 2008/6/3 1:14 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 7348 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... I now openly accuse the Anglican Communion Office of removing Bishop Schofield's name from the official Anglican Communion website.
Would anyone from that office care to confirm that? Let's see if you have the nerve to answer! I'm waiting! Cennydd |
| jackal | Posted: 2008/6/3 1:12 Updated: 2008/6/3 1:12 |
Quite a regular  Joined: 2008/4/29 From: Posts: 45 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... It has been a sad time for all of us that TEC has done and said the things it has. Now is time to mourn for Canterbury. Sooner or later the ABC has got to take a stand, but maybe it will be the next ABC. Maybe it won't be too late. (but I'm not holding my breath)
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| sactohye | Posted: 2008/6/3 2:27 Updated: 2008/6/3 2:27 |
Just can't stay away   Joined: 2004/10/19 From: Fresno, CA, Anglican (and only) Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 73 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... Jerry Lamb is NOT our bishop and is not entitled to anything, least of all any respect. If he goes to Lambeth, he could do us a favor and just stay there.
sactohye |
| Ikerliker | Posted: 2008/6/3 2:43 Updated: 2008/6/3 2:43 |
Home away from home Joined: 2007/1/16 From: PA Posts: 2052 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... This is such a travesty. Lamb wasn't even elected...he was appointed by Mrs. Schori. There was no election. This is a whole other issue that Mrs. Schori overstepped her authority in appointing Lamb.
Lamb has no business going but the only thing good that can come out of it is some kind of show down with +Schofield. I can predict that +Schofield will make mince meat out of the little lost Lamb. He will even do it nicely because +Schofield is a class act. I am sure Rowan won't lift a hand to do squat. Something new an different. He be too busy reading a book or watching the Simpsons. Good grief! |
| Wittenberg | Posted: 2008/6/3 5:32 Updated: 2008/6/3 5:32 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/10/30 From: Seattle, WA Posts: 226 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... I thought that GAFCON was supposed to be a substitute for orthodox Anglican bishops who had decided that attending Lambeth was a waste of time. If so, why all the concern about who's invited to Lambeth and who's not here in this forum? Why not let GAFCON become the orthodox Anglican version of Lambeth and leave Lambeth to the revisionists? Archbishop Rowan Atkinson, er, Williams, is no friend of orthodox Anglicans, so why should orthodox bishops even show up at Lambeth? I have heard on good authority through this forum that some orthodox Anglicans at the last TEC General Convention voted for PB Schori in order to bring things to a head in TEC and stimulate the orthodox exodus out of it, so why not let the revisionists HAVE Lambeth and (continue to) dig a grave for that part of the Anglican Communion which agrees with TEC and the ACofC? Wouldn't that help continue to stimulate the exodus of orthodox Anglicans out of the existing Anglican Communion into an orthodox Anglican Communion? I don't understand how any supposedly orthodox Anglican bishop would want to have anything to do with the revisionists at the Lambeth Conference anyway, much less engage in joint worship or share the Eucharist with them. Let this Lambeth Conference be the one where the orthodox bishops of the Anglican Communion finally separate from the revisionists!
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| Drummie | Posted: 2008/6/3 10:31 Updated: 2008/6/3 10:31 |
Home away from home Joined: 2007/9/27 From: Posts: 514 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... As it has been proven several times lately, bishops of TEC do not follow canons unless it is convenient for them. Schori appointing her pick for a diocese is not surprising, but it does not make it a valied appointment. The ABC just doesn'a have the guts to tell her so. Neither was the ordination and later consecration of Vicky Gene. He can not be validly ordained, since he had to lie at his ordination, and therefore can not be validly consecrated as a bishop. Again, Rowan doesn't have the guts to deliver the bad news. He appears to me to be an adult case of attention deficit disorder, a psychological people pleaser, and narcisist extraordinaire. I also agree that nothing will come from Lambeth other than the Vicky Gene show and maybe some fireworks when someone steps on the wrong bishops toes.
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| gregory | Posted: 2008/6/3 12:11 Updated: 2008/6/4 18:56 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/8/4 From: Nflorida Posts: 4481 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... He said the Bishop Schofield "would be attending the GAFCON meeting in Jerusalem in two weeks."
Please join us in Prayer; http://prayer.united-anglicans.org/ humbly, gregory |
| patulous | Posted: 2008/6/3 12:13 Updated: 2008/6/3 12:13 |
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Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... Wittenberg: I agree, who cares if lamb or anybody else shows up or is invited to lambeth. If the orthodox show up they will only be harrashed and probably leave early anyway.
Now GAFCON, there is the place to go....it would be great to attend.....abut alas, all of us can not go. |
| gregory | Posted: 2008/6/3 12:27 Updated: 2008/6/3 13:10 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/8/4 From: Nflorida Posts: 4481 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... Wittenberg: "I thought that GAFCON was supposed to be a substitute for orthodox Anglican bishops who had decided that attending Lambeth was a waste of time."
Not everybody thinks that way. "Why not let GAFCON become the orthodox Anglican version of Lambeth and leave Lambeth to the revisionists?" Because the "divorce" is not yet final. "Archbishop Rowan Atkinson, er, Williams, is no friend of orthodox Anglicans, so why should orthodox bishops even show up at Lambeth?" You might see The Answer, stay tuned. " so why not let the revisionists HAVE Lambeth and (continue to) dig a grave for that part of the Anglican Communion which agrees with TEC and the ACofC?" You must have missed the answers from Iker++ and the Bishops that stated carefully why. "Wouldn't that help continue to stimulate the exodus of orthodox Anglicans out of the existing Anglican Communion into an orthodox Anglican Communion?" Maybe... but the only fear is the Fear of the Lord. "I don't understand how any supposedly orthodox Anglican bishop would want to have anything to do with the revisionists at the Lambeth Conference anyway," Noted, your Not understanding... Would anyone, "understand", who is Not, part of the squad fighting this particular battle ? "or share the Eucharist with them." There has been a walk away from Holy Eucharist with the heretics in another conference meeting, Dromantine, so it is very likely to happen again. "Let this Lambeth Conference be the one where the orthodox bishops of the Anglican Communion finally separate from the revisionists!" Agree! so they'd have to be there, to make it official. prayerfully and humbly, gregory  ps As the Angels of Christ always say; DO NOT BE AFRAID !!! |
| gregory | Posted: 2008/6/3 12:34 Updated: 2008/6/3 12:34 |
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Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... patulous: When "orthodox show up they will only be harrashed..."
Remember that's when God will note who gets His Blessings for taking the "harrashed" treatment for taking a Stand with Christ. The verses are in the Bible... humbly, gregory |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/6/3 12:42 Updated: 2008/6/3 12:42 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 7348 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... Hmmm, I see that no one from the ACO has taken the time to answer my previous post. Are you all asleep....or are you just plain arrogant?
Cennydd |
| esniii | Posted: 2008/6/3 13:39 Updated: 2008/6/3 13:39 |
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Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... While 'episcopus vagantus' might be the elegant and learned term for such an irregularly appointed bishop, here in the US we should use the inelegant (and therefore more appropriate) term, "SCAB".
The kind of earthworm who would accept such an appointment and/or invitation had better be an earnestly good Christian Bishop, of the kind and sort worthy of Hugo's pen (I'm thinking 'Les Miserables'), else they risk losing much more than their reputation. |
| Wittenberg | Posted: 2008/6/3 15:11 Updated: 2008/6/3 15:11 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/10/30 From: Seattle, WA Posts: 226 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... Gregory, the orthodox Anglican bishops don't have to go to Lambeth to make the "divorce" official and final. NOT showing up would speak volumes for them! The revisionists are heretics and apostates by any stretch of the imagination, and going to Lambeth to try to "influence the uncommited" would be to descend into politicking over what should be a clear spiritual choice for the whole Anglican Communion. Let the orthodox bishops at GAFCON draw up a statement announcing their separation from the revisionists, quoting Christ in His lament over unbelieving Jerusalem to say "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see Me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is He that cometh in the Name of the Lord!" (Matt. 23:38-39)
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| Northcoast | Posted: 2008/6/3 17:50 Updated: 2008/6/3 17:50 |
Not too shy to talk  Joined: 2007/9/4 From: Posts: 34 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... "I also think that Bishop Minns and others should show up at Lambeth! After all, if Vickie Gene can do it, why not them, too?
After all, all's fair in love and war, isn't it? Cennydd" Um, maybe Bp. Mimms and others have the self respect to stay away when they haven't been invited to the party. Northcoast |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2008/6/3 18:38 Updated: 2008/6/3 18:41 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 7348 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... Uh, excuse me, Northcoast, but I seem to recall that +Gene Robinson wasn't invited to Lambeth, either, but he's going to be there, isn't he?
He claims he's just going there to promote his book, but remember this: He's also scheduled a press conference or two, and is meeting with anyone who wants to listen to him....on the fringes of the Conference. So yes, he WILL be there....just as +Minns and others should be there! And you mentioned +Minns' self-respect: Where's +Robinson's, may I be so bold as to ask? Cennydd |
| Wittenberg | Posted: 2008/6/4 1:41 Updated: 2008/6/4 1:41 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/10/30 From: Seattle, WA Posts: 226 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... That's what's at issue, Cennydd--if Bishop Minns goes to Lambeth, he would be lowering himself to the level of Vicky Gene, a gate-crasher who just wants to be noticed, like the sideshow freak that he is. An orthodox Anglican bishop knows that he has nothing in common with the likes of Vicky Gene and the rest of the revisionist crowd at Lambeth. An orthodox Anglican bishop will go to GAFCON and work towards the establishment of an orthodox Anglican Communion and then go home to take care of his diocese, and leave Lambeth to the fruits, nuts, and flakes of the Anglican "Granola" Communion of revisionists. Leave it to the revisionists to be the publicity hounds and sideshow displays they have shown themselves to be.
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| Magdalen | Posted: 2008/6/4 13:51 Updated: 2008/6/4 13:51 |
Just popping in   Joined: 2008/5/17 From: East TN, USA Posts: 19 |
Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... "NOT showing up would speak volumes for them!"
Particularly as we are advised to NOT attempt to compromise our worship with heretics. We are to stay holy in worship. One of the things which attracted me to my initial church (and current church) is that when it's time to worship GOD, politics are left at the door - WITHOUT compromise! |
| gregory | Posted: 2008/6/5 13:46 Updated: 2008/6/5 13:46 |
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Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... Prayer and Fasting for GAFCON - Day 16
A Meditation And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away. Even after the Holy Spirit had revealed that the believers were to set aside Paul and Barnabas, they still waited on the Lord. After God had revealed to Joshua, See, I have given into thine hand Jericho, and the king thereof, and the mighty men of valour, the people—for six days—waited on the Lord. Nehemiah was asked by the king for an answer to what troubled him, and he waited on the Lord—So I prayed to the God of heaven—before answering. And the king granted me, according to the good hand of my God upon me. "May God grant us the grace to wait upon Him." prayerfully, gregory http://prayer.united-anglicans.org/ |
| Wittenberg | Posted: 2008/6/5 23:51 Updated: 2008/6/5 23:51 |
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Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... Pray that GAFCON will be more than "just talk," and that the orthodox Anglican bishops will heed the call to establish an orthodox Anglican Communion as soon as possible.
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| gregory | Posted: 2008/6/7 14:20 Updated: 2008/6/7 14:20 |
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Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... Wittenberg, Yes!
humbly, gregory |
| ThomasMore | Posted: 2008/6/15 10:12 Updated: 2008/6/15 10:12 |
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Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Vagante Bishop Invited to Lambeth Confer... Wittenberg:
Agreed and concurred! The Water is near boiling and the Frog is nearly dead! If the Frog doesn't jump out now, he'll die from being boiled to death! Our Lord's guarantee about the "Gates of Hell" didn't apply to the Church of England - Maybe it's time to leave the dead body to the dead who seem to be the only ones who want it! "Let the dead bury the dead!" or, Those who're still living may find themselves near death themselves... Schism from an Apostate and Heretical Body is NOT schism! Your Brother in Christ, Michael |
