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Exclusives : SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan Website Disappears
Posted by David Virtue on 2008/3/31 6:20:00 (5297 reads)

SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan Website Disappears
Presiding Bishop Says She Plans to Reconstitute Diocese, Revise Canons

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
3/31/2008

The Episcopal Church has engaged in a cyber war resulting in the disappearance of the website of the Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin. Seekers are redirected to the diocesan website of the reconstituted TEC Diocese of San Joaquin.

The website just disappeared, an irate searcher told VirtueOnline. Visitors to www.sanjoaquin.anglican.org - the website of the (Southern Cone) Diocese of San Joaquin - are magically redirected to the new website for the reconstituted TEC diocese, at www.diosanjoaquin.org. The Society of Archbishop Justus is the custodian of www.anglican.org, of which www.sanjoaquin.anglican.org is a sub-domain. While the Anglican Domain web site is not official in any way, it is produced and sponsored by the Society of Archbishop Justus as a global resource, the website states.

Bill Gandenberger, Canon to the Ordinary to Bishop John-David Schofield, in an interview with VOL, attributed the problem to an improperly "published" website, making it vulnerable to attack. "We had an address under an anglican.org isp, which came under the control of the Episcopal Church. Our site is safe at present, but people may not be able to find us." It can be found here: http://www.sjoaquin.net/

The hijacked cyber link now run by the Episcopal Church claims 14 parishes in their reconstructed diocese, now under the authority of the Rt. Rev. Jerry Lamb.

Gandenberger says that the Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin site and their intra-net, or First Class system, is safe and secure. "What seems to have taken place is that The Episcopal Church has been able to empower all search engines (Google, Yahoo, Ask, etc.) to direct visitors who try to reach us by simply typing in '"Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin'" to the new TEC site. Regardless, our website and intranet are secure at this time. The Episcopal Church '"coincidentally with their convention'" altered the way that people are able to reach our Diocesan website."

According to a news report in "The Living Church", the Presiding Bishop, Katharine Jefferts Schori, told some 300 Episcopalians at a special meeting in St. Anne's Church Stockton that she will direct The Episcopal Church to move ahead swiftly to reconstitute the Diocese of San Joaquin and to establish control over church property. In addition, she said, she intends to begin the process of revising the denomination's canons to allow it to deal more expeditiously with breakaway bishops.

"I expect to see revisions to the canons to deal with situations like the one that you have been living with in San Joaquin for several years," she said.

Jefferts Schori participated in a service of "healing and reconciliation" for the newly reconstituted diocese. This failed to impress a number of Episcopalians who issued a "Protest text" saying they objected and protested "the canonical legality of this meeting as an official legislative convention of the Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin." It was presented as a point of personal privilege before the Special Convention of the Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin held on March 29, 2008 by George Sutton who then read it aloud to the convention.

The text was then handed to the person identified as the Secretary of Convention for inclusion in the minutes of the Meeting. The person identified as Parliamentarian (and Chancellor) ruled that it could not be included except by approved Motion from the floor of the Meeting. Sutton responded to the ruling, "To be consistent with our position of not acting in any legal fashion at the meeting, we chose not to do so, nor to ask anyone else to do our work for us. We knew that some of the proceedings were being recorded and there would be the potential of some sort of media posting of the protest. We therefore chose to exhibit the complete prepared text of the protest here at http://sanjoaquin.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/the-protest-text from members of St. John Parish."

Here is Sutton's statement: "We greet you all in the name of Jesus Christ. We are here at this proceeding by choice to be considered as Episcopalians and a part of this Diocese voluntarily signing our allegiance as Episcopalians. The signing of the allegiance as Episcopalians prior to any Episcopal Convention is an unwarranted and unprecedented act especially for already certified delegates from an Episcopal Congregation or Diocese. Nevertheless, we have come to publicly state our place in this Diocese and because we do have a place, we object and protest the canonical legality of this meeting as an official legislative convention of the Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin. We will not be casting any votes for any measure or resolution presented at this meeting. By direction of the Canons only the ecclesiastical authority of a diocese can call a special convention if there is no Bishop. That responsibility falls to the Standing Committee as per Title 3, Canon 13. The Standing Committee has not called this special convention. Therefore, it would be our understanding that any decision made today on behalf of the Diocese cannot be implemented because they are null and void."

Another parishioner, Gillian Busch read the following statement. "Beyond the issues we have just raised concerning canonical status of this meeting, we are also very concerned about a precedent of "non-inclusion" set by the Steering Committee. It came to our attention, by un-official notice, that a Steering Committee for the re-organization of the Diocese would be established. In that notice, it was stated that a Steering Committee would be composed of one (1) priest and one (1) lay person from each congregation that chose not to leave the Episcopal Church. St. John Parish, in Tulare, a Parish in good standing, never having left the Episcopal Church was not included in the Steering Committee process. As a result, a clear voice for a canonically compliant path for the Diocese was not followed."

The Rev. Robert G. Eaton, rector of St. John Parish, Tulare and a Clergy Delegate by Canonical Residency, Standing Committee Member, elected to 4-year term in December 2007, said this, "Regarding the election of Standing Committee members (and similarly of General Convention delegates), I come before you to simply state that I object to and protest the election of any new Standing Committee member who would in effect replace me, a diocesan Standing Committee member (and any Standing Committee member) validly and duly elected at the December 2007 Diocesan Convention (and prior conventions). I have not, nor did I ever leave the (Episcopal) Church, nor have I acted in such a way as to repudiate my place in the Church."

Citing the Presiding Bishop's earlier explanation regarding such objections, the chair declined the group's objections.

At their December diocesan convention, delegates to that convention led by Bishop John-David Schofield amended their constitution and canons to allow the central California diocese to leave The Episcopal Church and join the Anglican Church of the Southern Cone.

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fr_bob
Posted: 2008/3/31 15:54  Updated: 2008/3/31 15:54
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 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan ...
In addition, she said, she intends to begin the process of revising the denomination's canons to allow it to deal more expeditiously with breakaway bishops.

Here her"???" is attempting to change the Canons and then go back on those changed Canons to bring the wrath of the TEC down on those who have in the past have incured her displeasure.

Isn't there a law against " ex post facto laws?"

Just asking?
sactohye
Posted: 2008/3/31 16:23  Updated: 2008/3/31 16:23
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 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan ...
This is not the first time that a group of Christians have been persecuted for just being Christians. It happended in 1915 to the Armenians under the Ottoman Turks. At least Schori and her minions are not armed.

The Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin should register its site with the various search engines so it will come up during a search.

sactohye
servant
Posted: 2008/3/31 16:39  Updated: 2008/3/31 16:39
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The web domain name "anglican.org" is actually registered to:

Anglican Communion, Worldwide
c/o Christ Episcopal Church box 815
1040 Border Rd
Los Altos, CA 94024
US

That is an Episcopal Church in the Diocese of California. I guess the owner of anglican.org has the legal right to point their subdomains to any site it wants. However, this seems quite an immoral thing to do in this case. Another low blow from TEC.
ctowles
Posted: 2008/3/31 17:12  Updated: 2008/3/31 17:12
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 Martial Law
The only form of law or canons being observed by PECUSA are those that agree with them. This is a signal of how desperate their attempts at maintaining order are. All American Episcopals are under Martial Law. A state only does this in the last moments. Schori is not trying to win friends or influence people. It is too late for that. She has to regain control before she begins losing the major legal cases before her, Virginia, the Southern California parishes, Ft Worth, Pittsburg, etc. If she hasn't regained firm control by the time these decisions come down THIS year everything will begin to unravel for the Episcopal Church. There are hundreds of thousands of Episcopals who are cowardly still on the fence, like Quincy, Central Flordia and South Carolina that will go with the winner for it is easier than opposing "God's Spokesperson", the PB. The Christian metaphor of us all being sheep is rather appropriate still now. Expect her to be fierce, breaking every rule in the book for her concept of God, for if she loses so does her God, that's just the way she is because her God is a extension of herself, "comming from her own experience."
warmac9999
Posted: 2008/3/31 17:17  Updated: 2008/3/31 17:17
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 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan ...
As vicious as this is, it pales into insignificance when it comes to the Islamic world's reaction to FITNA: The Threat of Islamization. I would recommend that everyone go to liveleak.com and watch the movie.

I find it absolutely fascinating that the leadership of the Western World is so disturbed by truth. They can no longer hide the fact that Islam, not radical Islam or fascist Islam, is a worldwide threat to Western Civilization.
Cennydd
Posted: 2008/3/31 17:25  Updated: 2008/3/31 17:25
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 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan ...
I am going to break the promise I made to myself to stay away for awhile, and say that I have bookmarked the Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin website so that I'll be able to find it, and I advise others to do the same.

Cennydd
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2008/3/31 17:55  Updated: 2008/3/31 17:55
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 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan ...
No! Yes!

SHORIA LAW IS SWIFT AND CERTAIN AND CERTAINLY PUNISHING!!!

HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A SCHORIA LAW SCORNED!

HAS ANYONE SEEN MISTER SCHORI LATELY???
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2008/3/31 17:55  Updated: 2008/3/31 17:55
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I wouldn't count on that Sactohye. They will attempt to hire fire power in the form of sheriffs and security guards.
Pirate
Posted: 2008/3/31 18:30  Updated: 2008/3/31 18:30
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Does this kind of conduct surprise anyone anymore? To have the website rerouted would seem to me to be a normal way for TEC to react. For the presiding bishop and her chanccellor to make up the rules as they go is boringly predictable..
Ikerliker
Posted: 2008/3/31 18:37  Updated: 2008/3/31 18:37
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 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan ...
I was trying to get on Anglican San Joaquin's website yesterday for information on the border crossing from their perspective and not TEc's. I kept getting rerouted and my first thought was sabotage by TEc. I was totally not surprised that TEc would pull a stunt like this. They are desperate and this nonsense shows just how bad things REALLY are....even if Bonnie Anderson and Mrs. Schori try and tell us otherwise and how people are changing their minds and returning to TEc in droves etc...

As usual TEc is all about misinformation and spin and will stop at NOTHING to further their agenda.

Lord have mercy!
Cennydd
Posted: 2008/3/31 19:06  Updated: 2008/3/31 19:06
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Ikerliker, if you only knew how bad things are, you'd go ballistic! I know a few of those people, and you'd be shocked at how many of them are over 50 and grey-headed, complacent sheep who will remain Episcopalian simply because "my parents and grandparents were Episcopalian," or "Problems,? WHAT problems? WE don't have any problems!" "Oh, we just LOVE our rector....he's such a good man, and we can't bear to leave him or have him leave us, so we'll all stay in TEC."

Sickening, isn't it?

Cennydd
patulous
Posted: 2008/3/31 19:11  Updated: 2008/3/31 19:14
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Schoria and Beers are now forging all documents. What will the court judges say when the canons have been blatantly changed.

I agree that schoria and beers are responding like they own the episcopal church and can change it as they want. This is frustration deluxe.
RevDarrenS
Posted: 2008/3/31 20:06  Updated: 2008/3/31 20:06
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Talk about dirty and under-handed!!! If you can't defeat them in the legal arena...harass and resort to under-handed, cowardly cyber-espionage!!! What more proof is needed that ECUSA has degenerated from a Christian Church to a new-age, all-inclusive, Sodomite cult with Christian trappings??!! With actions like this...the revisionists in ECUSA can be likened to a large festering boil that needs to be lanced!
IMGB007
Posted: 2008/3/31 20:11  Updated: 2008/3/31 20:11
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 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan ...
Thanks, David, for putting up the URL which will allow us to access the diocesan website. After reading your article I checked our parish website and, indeed, the links to the diocese now take you to the hijacked site. Thanks to you, I'll have the appropriate URL to change the link on our website.

Once again, Schori and the Schorettes show themselves to be the pagans they are; which is why we left them in the first place.
DJ1943
Posted: 2008/3/31 23:32  Updated: 2008/3/31 23:32
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 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan ...
A few weeks ago I emailed the diocese office of New Hampshire and asked if they could supply me with church membership and attendance figures for New Hampshie since 2004. No response.

I just emailed Temporary Diocesan Administrator, The Rev. Mark Hall, St. Anne's, Stockton (stannestkn@sbcglobal.net)at the hijacked San Joaquin website with the following: "Rev. Hall, Has there been a change in the internet address for San Joaquin. The address in my favorites is
http://sanjoaquin.anglican.org. When I tried it, I came to this address. Has something changed?"

I'm waiting for a reply.
frquixote
Posted: 2008/4/1 1:36  Updated: 2008/4/1 1:36
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Quote:
I know a few of those people, and you'd be shocked at how many of them are over 50 and grey-headed, complacent sheep who will remain Episcopalian simply because "my parents and grandparents were Episcopalian," or "Problems,? WHAT problems? WE don't have any problems!" "Oh, we just LOVE our rector....he's such a good man, and we can't bear to leave him or have him leave us, so we'll all stay in TEC."

Sickening, isn't it?


Cennydd,

Yes, it is, just like it was in 1977.

frquixote
Cennydd
Posted: 2008/4/1 2:44  Updated: 2008/4/1 2:44
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DJ1943, for what it's worth, I emailed Fr Mark Hall at St Anne's Stockton, and reminded him that the proper name of our cathedral is St James' Anglican Cathedral, whereas the website of the so-called "Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin" refers to it as "St James' Episcopal Cathedral."

I asked him to "Kindly remove the name "Episcopal" from our cathedral's name."

I don't know what good that'll do, but I had to try.

Cennydd
Ikerliker
Posted: 2008/4/1 3:33  Updated: 2008/4/1 3:34
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The level of corruption in TEc knows no boundaries!

Cennydd, some people make me bang my head on the computer desk. Loyalty is great but as a Christian our loyalty should be to Jesus Christ, not an apostate denomination. Unfortunately some people will find out too late and pay an eternal consequence for their misguided loyalty.

I am glad I no longer attend a TEc church. The ELCA ain't great but at least it hasn't degenerated as far as TEc. If that happens, I will be looking for some where else to do my music ministry. Hoping if that happens the new Anglican structure in North America will be up an running. It would be nice to come home again.
culdee662
Posted: 2008/4/1 15:59  Updated: 2008/4/1 15:59
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 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan ...
I simply do not fathom this. EXACTLY what is this "Society of Archbishop Justus"??? If it is real, and not a shil, I see them doing very peculiar things. To wit, I got a "blank" site with this Society after trying to get the page for Province of the Southern Cone. If they are a shil, then this is a Religious Sodality of Hackers.

I am bending over backwards to be kind, in other words.The Wikipedia article on Archbishop Justus would have to suggest indirectly that he was a very obscure bishop, hardly more than a minion of the developing medieval Church and late late Roman Empire. Society of Archbishop Justus has a Wikipedia article too, whose gist is that the society seems about as obscurely related to religion-- yea the Christian discipleship-- yea the "invisible Church" in Anglicanism as Arch. Justus was obscure.

Removing the site from Blogspot (I think it was) seems quite violent and incivil. I am not as worried about the general ORIENTATION (you know what I mean) of a group that would remove the honest San Joaquin site than its CRIMINALITY, just as was the case in noble Roman Catholicism in confronting the issue of pedophile and 'sodomite' priests.

I am deep in prayer "without ceasing"-- emploring the God:Love:Truth to give me proper discernment.

--Vernon Lynn Stephens, Culdee
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otispage2
Posted: 2008/4/2 3:19  Updated: 2008/4/2 3:19
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 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan ...
Is anyone organizing a "war party" to attend the Convention in Lodi? It is time to give it the treatment that homosexuals have used in disrupting services to impose their will.
Getmeowt
Posted: 2008/4/2 3:36  Updated: 2008/4/2 3:36
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otispage2--
The convention was this past weekend in Lodi, but if any other dioceses split and the remnants decide to regorganize, I'm sure KJS will swoop in and grab anything she can with her talons. Keep an eye out for Pittsburg, Ft. Worth, Central Florida, Quincy, etc.
George186
Posted: 2008/4/2 9:34  Updated: 2008/4/2 9:34
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Yes, Grimbold, YELLING IS NECESSARY!
It is why I left this site for a few years, unable to believe nor watch the childish willingness to go along with the machinations of the degenerates without getting up on YOUR hind legs and saying STOP!
My frame of reference is having been in hospital, recovering from major surgery, and seeing a BCP tucked into the back pocket of an orderly. I asked the gentleman if I might borrow it for a short while.
I was sickened as I read it. As an example, the once powerful and beautiful words of the General Confession had been transformed from the 1928 BCP into something that more resembled "I'm OK, You're OK."
To me, THAT SHOULD NOT STAND !
You seem all too willing to slather the sick ones with loving affection.
More of the "Battered Wife Syndrome?"
Your response is exactly what I am yelling about.
The lack of a strong response to the degeneracy which has infected the Church of England since 1948 has brought us to this point.
(Care to remember the Red Dean of Canterbury?)
More cliches:
Camel's head under the tent, etc.
Now the tent is collapsing completely because instead of swatting the camel upon the nose YOU, Grimbold, appear to wish to gently pat it with "Christian Charity" upon its spittle flecked nose.
Yes, Schism is a messy business.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were terrible. But the deaths of an estimated million American servicemen would have been even more terrible.
Thus we are faced with a parallel.
Pay a fair amount now or there will be HELL to pay later.
Dominic
Posted: 2008/4/2 15:00  Updated: 2008/4/2 15:01
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Look guys, and gals,

when will you realise that these fights are pointless. They will never allow you to win. In the UK the FCE-REC has done exactly this to those of us who wish to remain faithful to the Evangelical nature of the grouping - changing the rules to suit themselves, ignoring those they want to ignore, and lambasting us for not keeping rules that we can no longer keep. They've ignored all due process and made it up as they went along.

The Evangelical Connexion of the FCE (our group) has spent a comparative fortune on defence - but we have ceased engaging with the attackers in dabate because it is pointless and simply saps our energy.

Please, learn from our experience and don't bother with this fight - there is a far more important one going on - to tell this world that the difference between heaven and hell for eternity is faith in Jesus Christ, and Him alone.
George186
Posted: 2008/4/2 17:42  Updated: 2008/4/2 17:42
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Dominic - Precisely!
The dithering and blathering goes nowhere.
I am dumbfounded at what seems to be a loss of the sense of right and wrong.
If the Anglican Church is to be considered wrong then do not fight for it and let TEC work its will as it will.
If, on the other hand, we have something worth fighting for, I say we should WALK AWAY.
And I offer no apologies for capitalizing that.
The longer we stay with the diseased ones, the more we become infected and/or paralyzed.
The proof is in the posts above where resistance to the sickness of TEC is resented and we are all to emulate Neville Chamberlain ca. 1938.
You do remember what that mindset wrought, do you not?
Deesend
Posted: 2008/4/2 22:14  Updated: 2008/4/2 22:14
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Just asking. I read so many posts that credit the PB with all the mess. Does anyone think she truly is acting alone (with help of Beers), or do others think that she doesn't make a move without consulting with not only Beers, but several bishops?

Now for clarification. I do think the PB is capable of acting on her own, but I also believe she has a lot of backing for every move she makes. Interested in other's thoughts.
Cennydd
Posted: 2008/4/2 22:50  Updated: 2008/4/2 22:54
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No, Deesend, she isn't acting alone. Rather, she has the backing of the majority of the House of Bishops....many of whom have openly doubted the divinity of Christ....Integrity, Claiming the Blessing, the President of the House of Deputies, Bonnie Anderson, and the tacit support of unknowing and uncaring people in the pews who can't be bothered to pay attention to what the rest of Christianity is telling them.

Not only that, but I believe that she unknowingly and foolishly depends on rather highly-suspect advice from David Booth Beers, in the opinion of many thousands of us, and I'd venture to say that some of her own parishioners in many dioceses are beginning to question her competence and motives.

I believe that she is the classic example of why it was a disastrous mistake to begin ordaining women in 1973....the results of which have come back to bite everyone involved.

Cennydd
Ikerliker
Posted: 2008/4/3 4:39  Updated: 2008/4/3 4:40
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I agree that she isn't acting alone. However, as the All Powerful TEc Primate she's the one wearing the oven mitt on her head and she's the central figure of authority. Obviously nobody gives her wardrobe advice. She is a mean spirited and spiteful woman who will stop at nothing to get her way. I think all those invertebrate male bishops gave her the job because they are too emasculated to do the dirty deed. She seems to be doing quite well with her seek and destroy policy.

I think she has carte blanche to do whatever the heck she wants. Most of them are scared of her now and they should be. She'll inhibit and depose anyone who opposes her or gets in her way. By any means possible!
Cennydd
Posted: 2008/4/3 14:17  Updated: 2008/4/3 14:21
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Caleb, the only reason Schori was "well received" is the fact that she dropped off a check for over $500 million to prop up her followers; that's exactly what they are....and to counterbalance ++Peter Akinola's influence. Sure he comes on strong! He has the strength of his convictions, and more power to him for that!

Some people just can't stand the fact that he DOES speak the truth to them....no matter how much it hurts. By acting and speaking the way he does, he has alienated many....and still does....but they're the ones in denial.

Schori is attempting to buy influence by spreading TEC money like butter, but it is destined to backfire on her and those who put her in power....and the process has already begun.

Cennydd
Getmeowt
Posted: 2008/4/3 23:23  Updated: 2008/4/3 23:23
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 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan ...
If memory serves me correctly, the Good Friday offering in the Holy Land amounted to about $158,000. This was supposedly from all the missions, churches and cathedrals. I don't know how many that actually comes to, but I would guess the average amount per church came to 100 bucks. It wouldn't surprise me if it were less.
Dominic
Posted: 2008/4/4 14:48  Updated: 2008/4/4 14:48
Home away from home
Joined: 2006/7/10
From: London
Posts: 285
 Re: SAN JOAQUIN: Episcopal Church in Cyber War. Diocesan ...
Cennyd, you are spot on about Akinola. Though why it should surprise people posting here that those who preach the Gospel are criticised, when that is exactly what the Gospel says will happen to us, I just don't know!

Having said that, opposers of the liberals really need to be less Roman and more Christian...
Cedarholt
Posted: 2008/4/5 2:35  Updated: 2008/4/5 2:35
Not too shy to talk
Joined: 2004/10/29
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 Re: Martial Law
In referencing Nevada Madame Schori's deity, one would be more correct to refer to "God[ess]", as she is the one who introduced PECUSA to "Mother Jesus"...

That this is a violation of the Third Commandment does not phase her at all. Her gnosticism is entrenched... or, to put it in Hebrew, it's in the pit -- Sheol, for short, for Schori. Together with her efforts to impose Schori'a Law.
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