CANADA: Anglican gay row 'full-blown schism': Canadian bishop
OTTAWA (AFP) - A theological split in the Anglican Church over homosexuality is now a "full-blown schism," a Canadian bishop said Wednesday, ahead of the expected formation of a breakaway body.
Right Reverend Michael Ingham, whose Greater Vancouver diocese became the first Anglican jurisdiction to formally authorize the blessing of same-sex unions in 2002, accused the Anglican Church of the Southern Cone of the Americas of tearing at the rip by poaching congregations in Canada.
He also blasted the South American faction for planning to ordain two deacons in his diocese in westernmost Canada next month, despite his objections.
"Over many, many centuries the rule has been that there is only one church in one geographical area, so we think it's improper" for anyone to try to set up a parallel Anglican church in Canada, his spokesman Neil Adams told AFP.
"Setting up two rival bodies is not healthy for the Anglican Church."
"Historically, the Anglican Church came from a split from the Roman Catholic Church in the 1400s," Adams conceded. "But afterwards it became a big tent church ... open to a wide variety of theologies, and we think that's good and we'd like it to remain that way."
The conservative South American faction of the global Anglican community is expected Thursday to announce the creation of an alternative church structure in Canada and formally invite conservative priests and parishioners here to join the Southern Cone under retired Bishop Don Harvey's oversight.
Harvey announced last Friday that he was leaving the Anglican Church of Canada and would affiliate with the orthodox Anglican church in South America.
"Because of the unabated theological decay in the Anglican Church of Canada, many long-time Anglicans have already left their church and left Anglicanism," Harvey said in a statement, in a veiled reference to the blessings of gay marriages in this country.
"We want to provide a fully Anglican option -- a safety net -- for others who feel their church has abandoned them and who are contemplating the same action."
Adams countered: "They're essentially trying to maintain their ties to the worldwide Anglican Communion, but escape what they feel is a (local) church that doesn't have the right theology."
In the United States, the dioceses of Fort Worth, Pittsburgh, San Joaquin, California, and Quincy, Illinois, as well as several Virginia parishes have indicated they plan to leave the Anglican Episcopal Church and affiliate with overseas churches.
Recently, the Virginia diocese began a court battle with its renegade parishes over title to church buildings.
On Saturday, the Anglican Church of Canada protested the turf trespass, saying in a statement: "We cannot recognize the legitimacy of recent actions by the Province of the Southern Cone in purporting to extend its jurisdiction beyond its own borders.
"We call upon the archbishop of Canterbury to make clear that such actions are not a valid expression of Anglicanism and are in contravention of the ancient and continuing traditions of the church. They aggravate the current tensions in the Anglican Communion."
The 77-million Anglican Communion is comprised of 38 autonomous provinces, or regional and national churches, under the titular leadership of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams.
The Southern Cone spans Bolivia, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Argentina, but has only 27,000 members. The Anglican Church of Canada boasts more than 800,000 parishioners in 30 dioceses nationwide.
Homosexuality has divided the Anglican community since the US Episcopal Church, the US branch of the Anglican Communion, approved the appointment of an openly gay bishop in 2003, angering more conservative branches of the church.
In Canada, the general synod of the Anglican Church voted earlier this year not to authorize the blessing of same-sex unions.
But, three dioceses in recent weeks have authorized same-sex blessings: Ottawa, Montreal and Niagara.
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| Strider | Posted: 2007/11/22 15:14 Updated: 2007/11/22 15:14 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/5/26 From: Posts: 339 |
Well,
the faithful remnant have no choice but to remain loyal to a worship expression that the Holy Spirit has called them to while refusing to be forced by the National Church to participate in it's institutional sin. Also, by remaining faithful to and active in this calling, an example is provided to those who are astray, including this wayward bp, so that they are constantly reminded of the wrongness in their life and called to repentance and restoration. Ingham, God is calling you to new life in Him. Yes, he loves even you. But beware! Those who would pretend to the ordained ministry have an extra burden of responsibility not to lead the flock astray. Your clock is running. And, I can guarantee that it will outrun you. Strider |
| railbirdbc | Posted: 2007/11/22 16:01 Updated: 2007/11/22 16:02 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/6/6 From: Posts: 767 |
Dr. Ingham and his brother and sister bishops want the church to stop focusing on issues of sexuality and to focus on important gospel issues, like the installation and blessing solar panels on Canadian churches. Yes, and the blessing of bicycles. These, along with the Millennium Goals are the "new thing" God is doing. I mean, after all, it's right in your Bible. Doesn't the gospel report Jesus saying something like, "On my father's house are many solar panels. If if were not so, I would have told you. I go now to connect a new one for you." Oh, maybe not. What is very clear is that the revisionists read a very different Bible than the rest of us do. As for the Diocese of New Westminster and its new "green agenda," I think those folks are confusing the God of the Bible with the Jolly Green Giant.
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| Showmeguy | Posted: 2007/11/22 16:06 Updated: 2007/11/22 16:06 |
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Ingham is right about one thing, there is a full blown schism that has come over the Anglican communion, worldwide. And it has been caused by those who refuse to follow God's word, and go off on a 60's Kum-baya tangent. Homosexuals (Lesbians/GiBLeT's/queers/whatever)in the pulpit is only the tip of the iceberg. As for me and my house, We will follow the Lord!
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2007/11/22 16:18 Updated: 2007/11/22 16:18 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/1/3 From: Posts: 3472 |
Someone better tell Frau Schori and Herr Chancellor Beers. They're down in Virginia saying it is impossible to "divide" something that is not united in the first place.
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| Ikerliker | Posted: 2007/11/22 17:28 Updated: 2007/11/22 17:28 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/1/16 From: PA Posts: 2051 |
I think we should change TEc's name to TDEc.
From now on we will refer to The Episcopal church as The Delusional Episcopal church. Obviously many are delusional if not psychotic. What TDEc is peddling isn't Christianity in any form. Therefore, it's impossible to rival something that is NOT the same. DTEc and CANA, for example, are apples and oranges. Her Heretical Highness and minions don't have a leg to stand on. I would think the Unitarians would be getting nervous. DETc is probably attracting people who would otherwise "worship" with the Unitarians. Off to eat turkey. Happy Thanksgiving to all. |
| railbirdbc | Posted: 2007/11/22 17:57 Updated: 2007/11/22 17:57 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/6/6 From: Posts: 767 |
Speaking of turkeys ... HAPPY THANKSGIVING! to all my American cousins.
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| yendor | Posted: 2007/11/22 19:11 Updated: 2007/11/22 19:11 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/11/3 From: Posts: 87 |
"Over many, many centuries the rule has been ...."
It never ceases to amaze me how this is trotted out to hit at diocesan boundary crossing. However, the rules on morality (which are even older by many more centuries) can be ignored. |















