NORTHERN CALIFORNIA: Diocese's vote supports gay couples
By Kimberly Ross
Redding.com
November 11, 2007
A historic, largely symbolic vote supporting blessing rites for same-sex couples was made Saturday during the Episcopal Diocese of Northern California's annual convention, held in Redding this weekend.
By phone, the Rev. James Richardson of Sacramento said the packed room of about 300 members at the Redding Convention Center surprised him by passing the resolution he authored.
"The vote was done by voice, and it was a loud enough yes' that no one asked for a roll call," he said.
Richardson called it "a historic moment" for the Northern California diocese. Though the vote doesn't authorize same-sex blessings in the diocese, it joins 11 similar resolutions that could influence U.S. Episcopal Church leaders to adopt a nationwide change in 2009.
Ken Piercy, a gay member of Sacramento's Trinity Cathedral Church, was one of the diocese members present earlier Saturday.
As a baptized Christian, he said in an interview before the vote that he expects full citizenship in his church, including participation in the blessings that recognize committed relationships.
But not everyone agrees, Piercy knows.
"We have people in the room who oppose this, and I still love them, because I can agree to disagree," he said.
Saturday, the proposed resolution called on the Episcopal Church's convention to develop and authorize same-sex union blessing rites, a step the national church has so far opposed.
However, 11 dioceses nationwide have approved official, written policies allowing the blessing of same-sex relationships, the resolution reads. It calls on Northern California's to state that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people are children of God and that the Episcopal Church "should grant them every blessing" other members receive.
Daniel Williamson, senior pastor of St. Johns Church in Roseville, said he's one of those who respectfully opposes gay blessings, while accepting gay members as his brothers and sisters in Christ.
Williamson said his more traditional position against it stems from both the Bible's rejection of homosexuality and because various Anglican archbishops have asked the Episcopal church not to appoint gay clergy members.
Like others, Williamson was interviewed prior to the gathering's afternoon debate.
Richardson, a resident of the diocese temporarily assigned to a Berkeley parish, said the resolution was carefully written to support, but does not sanction, gay marriage or same-sex blessings. It respects the decisions of the diocese's bishop, Barry Beisner, he said.
Beisner declined to comment before the vote, but said that if passed, it still would not change the diocese's practice.
"There is no authority for same-sex blessings, either from the national church or from me. And there won't be until the national church grants it," he said.
The national group doesn't meet to make decisions until 2009. But in the meantime, Richardson argues that its dioceses can encourage support for gay couples through resolutions like the one proposed.
"We are trying to steer a respectful course without doing it by fiat," he said.
Some say the effort fails in that way, though, and think it's the wrong year for the diocese to make a decision that counters the church's world and national leaders.
Richard Yale, rector of St. John's Church in Chico, said, in addition, that members need to lay out the differences between gay marriage, blessings and same sex unions.
"I can see some saying we've talked until we're blue in the face about this, but we need to talk more specifically," said Yale, who declined to say how he would vote. "What we're calling for is unclear."
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2007/11/12 16:06 Updated: 2007/11/12 16:08 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/1/3 From: Posts: 3472 |
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Ken Piercy, a gay member of Sacramento's Trinity Cathedral Church, was one of the diocese members present earlier Saturday. First of all, Mr Sodomite, GOD DOES NOT CARE IF YOU ARE IN A 'COMMITTED' RELATIONSHIP OR NOT! GOD CARES ABOUT THE PROCREATION OF CHILDREN AND THIER RIGHTEOUS REARING WHICH ITSELF REQUIRES MAN AND WIFE. ONE EACH. ONE OF EACH SEX SINCE THEY ARE NEEDED AS A MATTER OF BIOLOGY! TWO HOMOSEXUALS ARE SIMPLY TWO DEVIANTS USING EACH OTHER FOR GRATIFICATION! Second of all, if your 'relationships' are so 'committed', WHY DO YOU NEED SOME INSITUTION TO AFFIRM THEM???? You are nothing more than a damaged soul looking for healing in all the wrong places. Keep you fly zipped and pray. It will do more good for you than any number of phony, so-called "gay marriages". Besides, it's a stupid idea on the face of it. "Gay marriage" is an oxymoron rather like "sophomore". |
| sactohye | Posted: 2007/11/12 18:09 Updated: 2007/11/12 18:09 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/10/19 From: Fresno, CA, Anglican (and only) Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 73 |
Ken Piercy, like Gene Robinson, used to be married and has children. Since his marriage vows meant nothing to him, what makes anyone think any other vow he takes will mean any more? The same goes for Bishop Beisner who has been married three times. Nice examples, these!
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| Ikerliker | Posted: 2007/11/13 9:45 Updated: 2007/11/13 9:45 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/1/16 From: PA Posts: 2052 |
People that support this should be "committed".
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| Pipeman | Posted: 2007/11/13 11:08 Updated: 2007/11/13 11:08 |
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I would have thought that God cares very much about the quality of our relationships. I don't recall anything in the Bible to suggest that God is prepared to write off a whole class of people in the manner you seem to be ascribing to Him - quite the contrary, in fact. He goes to enormous lengths to rescue even (perhaps especially) the lost and the sinful.
Mr Piercy may be a damaged soul - I know that I am - but I am encouraged to know that Jesus seeks the lost. Finally, it has always seemed odd to me that the church will happily bless all sorts of things - nuclear submarines for example, as happened in the UK last year - but won't bless a couple of gays Peter Pipeman |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2007/11/13 14:23 Updated: 2007/11/13 14:24 |
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Bless the men? Sure! But not their immoral and unnatural sexual acts so often connected with their lifestyle!
Cennydd |
| sactohye | Posted: 2007/11/13 16:20 Updated: 2007/11/13 16:20 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/10/19 From: Fresno, CA, Anglican (and only) Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 73 |
What God cares about is our souls. Do we turn away from sin and live or continue in sin and die? Once we start down the road of SSB, where does it end? With polygamy? With pederasty? With pedophilia? With bestiality? I'm afraid this road ends with the destruction of society.
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| jangler | Posted: 2007/11/14 5:46 Updated: 2007/11/14 5:46 |
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Oh no. That was my church, and my priest before I left Sacramento for Houston. I have been struggling with what to do, and have stayed away from my socially liberal, theologically conservative (at least nominally) parish for some time.
But now I think I know what to do. Another parish close by is conservative and would stand against such things rather than support them or, worse even, mealy-mouthedly engage a listening process in gleeful ignorance and cultural relevance at the cost of a faithful stand for the gospel. I think I should pack my bags. Ugh. <snip> By phone, the Rev. James Richardson of Sacramento said the packed room of about 300 members at the Redding Convention Center surprised him by passing the resolution he authored. |
| Lawrence | Posted: 2007/11/15 11:12 Updated: 2007/11/15 11:12 |
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The only obedient parish in this diocess has already left. (Petaluma)
I was confirmed and married in the Roseville Parish (St. Johns) long before pastor Dan was installed. Two years after I was married (early 80s) the head pastor (my youngest son's Godfather)much to our surprise announced his homosexuality, abandoned his wife and children and left to run a parish in Berkley. Not all that long after the associate pastor who was elevated to priest in charge abandoned his wife and family to adultry. It was not a surprise to discover that our son's godfather is now a priest in good standing in the Roman Catholic Church... It was many years before I would darken the door of a church. To Gods glory alone, I testify that He drew my wife and I back. Dozens of families were mangled or outright destroyed by the sexual sin of those two pastors and their inability to preach and counsel against defrauding and self destructive behavior. Roseville's Church is now expanding and the Diocess is going to help by giving them money, effectivly shakleing those few christians at the church to Belial (the diocess) I hope pastor Williamson finds the gas in his tank to lead his sheep away from TEC at whatever cost to property and comfort, hurt feelings and his well earned retirement. I pray the Holy Spirit breaks the St. Johns mold and makes Dan a good finisher. If a pastor will not lead the flock in obedience to the Gospel away from TEC, than heads of families must obey...... by taking their families and leaving behind TEC affiliated parishes, diocees, Bishops, Priests, and Deacons. Take them all out together Dan! |
















