On being a Muslim and a Christian...Not
News analysis
By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
6/18/2007
First came the irregular ordination of women to the priesthood, and then homosexual behavior was deemed acceptable including the ordination and consecration of an openly avowed homosexual to the episcopacy, concomitantly with same sex blessings for all. The elastic band of The Episcopal Church's theology has been stretched to its limit with the announcement that the Rev. Dr. Ann Holmes Redding, an Episcopal priest and theologian in the Diocese of Olympia, has become a practicing Muslim.
Short of digging up a year old corpse in an Episcopal Church graveyard and marrying it to a liberal bishop of questionable beliefs while using the New Zealand Book of Common Prayer, have we now reached the final stage of public Episcopal blasphemy - the notion that one can be both a Christian and a Muslim at the same time? Has the elasticity of the Anglican Communion finally snapped?
In an interview with the Rev. Dr. Ann Holmes Redding by Norah M. Joslyn, published in the Diocese of Olympia newspaper, Holmes told Joslyn, "The way I understand Jesus is compatible with Islam, and although there are Christians and Muslims who think I must convert from one to the other, the more I go down this path the more excited I am about both Christianity and Islam."
Redding credits her upbringing for early exposure to interfaith relationships. An African Methodist Episcopal minister baptized her but the only Sunday school she attended was Episcopalian. She attended a Unitarian youth group in high school when the Episcopal group disbanded. A cooperative community comprised of mostly Quakers, Unitarians and Jews near where she grew up influenced her.
Her father was a prominent civil rights lawyer whose work brought him and the family into contact with people of many faiths.
After an introduction to a Muslim prayer practice in early 2006, Redding knew she had been wrestling with a call to Islam. She approached a Muslim woman and told her so. The woman replied, "Christianity has been good to you and you to it, and you don't have to choose." That made all the difference in Redding's choice to practice Islam. "What Islam has done for me is shed this light on Christianity and shown for me anew what a glorious way Christianity is."
Said Ms. Redding, "When we say Jesus is the only begotten one, we are saying he's unique in some way. Islam says the same thing. He's the only human aside from Adam who is directly created by God, and he's different from Adam because he has a human mother. So there's agreement-this person is unique in his relationship to God. We Christians, in struggling to express the beauty and dignity of Jesus and the pattern of life he offers, describe him as the 'only begotten son of God.' That's how wonderful he is to us. But that is not literal," she continues, "I agree with both because I do want to say that Jesus is unique, and for me, Jesus is my spiritual master."
Redding says what Islam does is take Jesus out of the way of her relationship with God, "but it doesn't drop Jesus. I was following Jesus and he led me into Islam, and he didn't drop me off at the door. He's there, too." Islam and Christianity are complementary, she suggests, and that the Muslim profession of faith that there is no God but God and Mohammed is the prophet of God, does not contradict anything in Christianity. Nor do the professions made at a Christian baptism contradict anything in Islam. "For me to become a human being means to identify solely with the will of God. Islam gives me the tools to do that," she explained.
The Rt. Rev. Dr. John H. Rodgers, AMiA bishop and interim Dean of Trinity School for Ministry in Ambridge, PA disagrees. In a note to VirtueOnline he said that when Redding says for her to become a human being means to identify solely with the will of God [and] Islam gives me the tools to do that... "One can't but help realize that this woman does not reflect the true fallen condition of humanity. No one but Jesus ever 'identified solely with the Will of God'. Having no grasp of the issue and problem of sin and God's justice and wrath there is no need for a savior who is both God and man and who has taken our place under the judgment of God on the Cross. In short this woman does not understand or at least does not represent apostolic Christianity. If we are talking mere moralism then perhaps that is compatible with Islam. Though from what I understand of Islam, the believer falls short of complete identification with the will of Allah and hopes to have at least a 51% batting average, when the final judgment comes to pass."
According to Redding the conflicts over the nature and person of Jesus between Christianity and Islam do not hinder profession of both faiths. "We Christians, in struggling to express the beauty and dignity of Jesus and the pattern of life he offers, describe him as the only begotten son of God. That's how wonderful he is to us. But that is not literal."
Rodgers disagrees. "Christians do mean that Jesus is the eternal Son and that no one else is. Yes the language is metaphorical but it is language chosen by God as giving us the clearest grasp of the reality of the case. Perhaps we might better put it that since we are made in the image of God and are made sons of God in Him and not visa versa that our sonship is metaphorical and His is the literal. It is clearly a contradiction of the revealed truth in Christ when Islam states '"God has no Son'". Statements by Dr. Redding of "how wonderful Jesus is" fall far short of the worship, which is His due as the eternal Son who became incarnate and died for us and for our salvation. This is a statement of Faith that is expressly contradicted by Islam. With the sort of thinking we find in Dr. Redding's comment we might see all religions as saying the same thing!"
Rodgers says that taken together these two items of contemporary Anglican thinking are prophetic. "When read together as revealing a common inclination or tendency, you can see where we are headed in the Anglican Communion unless something clear, faithful to Scripture and obligatory on the whole Anglican Communion is done.
"It is not without its significance that a recent meeting of Centro Global, [Global Centre], bishops meeting in San Jos, Costa Rica distanced themselves from the hard line approach taken by the American Church and its allies amongst the Global North and the opposing Global South coalition of dioceses in Asia, Africa and the Americas. They wrote: "This growing polarization between the non reconcilable truth claims of the Global North and Global South had placed the unity of the Communion at risk they said, noting in the midst of this painful controversy, we do not identify with either side, because they don't fully represent the spirit of our thoughts."
Ironically among the signatories to the letter were supporters of the progressive agenda including two of the consecrating bishops for V. Gene Robinson, El Salvador Bishop Martin Barahona and Central Ecuador Bishop Wilfredo Ramos, along with American bishops who strongly opposed his consecration namely Colombian Bishop Francisco Duque and Honduran Bishop Lloyd Allen.
The Centro Global bishops maintain that this plurality and diversity has been a rich source for growth, rather than a cause for division. Is it?
Echoing the call of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, the Centro Global bishops affirmed their intention "to maintain Eucharistic fellowship across doctrinal and party boundaries and invited the bishops of the Anglican Communion to join together and to work for an effective reconciliation, interdependence and unity in the diversity of our family of faith and so preserve the valuable legacy of which we are guardians."
"One wonders then if the bishops of the Centro Global are really ready to agree with the Dr. Redding. The frightening thought is that they might be, given enough time, get used to the ever-increasing elasticity of the contemporary Anglican Communion.
Redding's bishop, the Rt. Rev. Vincent Warner, says he accepts Redding as an Episcopal priest and a Muslim, and that he finds the interfaith possibilities exciting. Her announcement hasn't caused much controversy yet, he said.
But Mahmoud Ayoub, professor of Islamic studies and comparative religion at Temple University in Philadelphia Said "the theological beliefs are irreconcilable." Islam holds that God is one, unique, indivisible. "For Muslims to say Jesus is God would be blasphemy."
Frank Spina, an Episcopal priest and also a professor of Old Testament and biblical theology at Seattle Pacific University, puts it bluntly. "I just do not think this sort of thing works," he said. "I think you have to give up what is essential to Christianity to make the moves that she has done.
"There are tenets of the faiths that are very, very different," said Kurt Fredrickson, director of the doctor of ministry program at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. "The most basic would be: What do you do with Jesus?"
Said Rodgers, "What a shocking mess! It is not just TEC! God is humbling us. We have assumed a global Anglicanism that is true and good and turned a blind eye to its actual condition. We have been idolatrous about the Anglican Communion. The truth is that for us to be faithful Anglicans we can no longer be simply identified with the present Anglican Communion. It must be reformed or divided."
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| Fisherman | Posted: 2007/6/18 11:34 Updated: 2007/6/18 21:52 |
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Let's see what the Quran has to say. Jesus is known as Isa Al Misah. He was born of the Virgin Mary. Isa performed many miracles. There will be a second coming. According to the Quran Allah said to Him of his death, resurrection and second coming:
The Family of Imran [3.55]: 'And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.' There are many references to Jesus and his ministry. So far sounds pretty good, right? However, the Quran and Islam do not recognize Jesus as the Son of God. Christendom does. So can one believe both ways? Not a Christian. |
| daveball | Posted: 2007/6/18 12:06 Updated: 2007/6/18 12:06 |
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Fisherman,
This wacko probably never was a Christian. The fact that she was ordained into TEC certainly does not require one to be a Christian. It seems much more likely that she is one of the "legion of the confused" in the putrifying mess called TEC. There are gender confused, there are theology confused, there historically confused and there are the totally confused. When I read this article the first time I wondered what an Islamic was doing teaching/preaching in a Christian Church and then I remembered that it was a TEC church in Olympia. Blessings |
| Climacus | Posted: 2007/6/18 12:21 Updated: 2007/6/18 12:21 |
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What a ridiculous situation. But as a former Anglican chaplain, and having spoken with Anglicans on a day to day basis, its totally understandable. Just the other day I was speaking to an Anglican woman who claimed the TEC was very very important to her, at least as important as the astrologers and palm readers she consults. And most non-evangelical or anglo-catholic Anglicans are like that, in my experience.
I am also reminded of the Anglican priest who converted to Hinduism a year or so back, and thought he could reconcile both religions. Does someone have a new update about that story? In any case, Ms. Holmes Redding will have at least one massive hurdle to overcome in trying to be both Muslim and Christian, namely she will have to decide whether the crucifixion was crucifiction. The prophets, the gospels, and the epistles say Christ was crucified. The Koran emphatically denies this (Sura 4:157). You can't have it both ways. And that's just the beginning. No one with even an Apostles' Creed level knowledge of Christianity could make the mistake she has. How could someone so confused about the faith ever be ordained? Oh right, she's Anglican. Well, how could someone with such little knowledge about Chrisitianity have been awarded a doctorate in theology? Oh wait, she got it from Union Theological Seminary. Now it all makes sense. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2007/6/18 12:45 Updated: 2007/6/18 12:45 |
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This woman seems to be in limbo between Islam and Christianity. You can be either Muslim or Christian, but not both. It's a wonder that she doesn't throw Judaism into the mix; that WOULD be interesting!
What next? Cennydd |
| Strider | Posted: 2007/6/18 13:12 Updated: 2007/6/18 13:14 |
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What does one expect in a church where the ABC becomes a druid as a celebration of becoming the "head priest" of a "Christian" denomination?
Pardon me, whilst I go shake some more dust off my sandals. Strider <>< PS: this woman should meditate on the pharase, "I knew you not." |
| Isaac | Posted: 2007/6/18 13:35 Updated: 2007/6/18 13:35 |
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So Redding AND HER BISHOP believe that a priest (priestess?) can set aside Holy Scripture, the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds, and the Articles of Religion, defy them, commit blasphemy, and it is acceptable?
I hope somebody calls out KJS on this. I would love to see her on the record here. Isaac |
| Newshound | Posted: 2007/6/18 13:36 Updated: 2007/6/18 13:36 |
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What is the purpose of having clergy in the Episcopal church anyway? I was a very active member of TEC from 1978-through-1997 and I learned very quickly not to bring pastoral or personal problems to clergy because they would simply tell me to "Give it to God" or "Learn How to Relax" or "Its up to you to appropriate an extra measure of Gods grace", or in many cases yell at me for bothering them with personal problems. If the laity were given authority to celebrate communion, and officiate at baptisms, confirmations, marriages etc: We could eliminate the entire lot of these folks altogether.
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| aterry | Posted: 2007/6/18 13:37 Updated: 2007/6/18 13:37 |
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This would be funny if it weren't for the fact that souls are hanging in the balance of eternity.
This priest has shown her woefull ignorance of the both the truths of Christianity and the teachings of Islam. Considering the "5 Pillars of Islam" in and of themselves, one is left with a works-based system that holds no hope of anything outside of being at the capricious whim of allah. Joshua was spot on when he declared "Choose ye this day..." Deus Vobiscum Andy |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2007/6/18 13:55 Updated: 2007/6/18 13:55 |
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Isaac, you can be sure that if Dr Schori had anything to say, it would amount to nothing more than "there is more than one way to God." And I'll bet you that some of her priests would disagree with her.
Further proof of TEC's apostasy! Cennydd |
| sactohye | Posted: 2007/6/18 14:00 Updated: 2007/6/18 14:00 |
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Christianity and Islam are NOT compatible as the more than 1,000,000 Armenians killed by the Turks in 1915 would tell you, if they could communicate from beyond the grave.
sactohye |
| daveball | Posted: 2007/6/18 14:14 Updated: 2007/6/18 14:14 |
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Want to have some fun? Google this looney. The picture of her with her Muslim scarf is nice. Goes well with the Roman collar. The paragraph below is just a taste of what's out there.
Rev. Dr. Ann Holmes Redding is a straight supporter of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. She currently serves as director of faith formation at Saint Mark’s Cathedral and as adjunct faculty at Seattle University in Seattle. Redding is a New Testament scholar who has taught in theological schools in New York City and at Interdenominational Theological Center in Atlanta. |
| sherman | Posted: 2007/6/18 14:18 Updated: 2007/6/18 14:18 |
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The Lord went to the Cross for my salvation.
If I could save myself just by using Muslim prayers He did not need to be crucified. I sure don’t want to be responsible for that. |
| Rachmnnoff | Posted: 2007/6/18 16:12 Updated: 2007/6/18 16:12 |
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Blessed Isaac,
Ms. Liberalstein Q. Bongwater(Redding) is plowing up a new furrow in the field now known as the *Pluriform TEC*. TEC is a madhouse that's *All thrust, no vector* - everyone pulling each their own way. Humbly, SR |
| HowieG | Posted: 2007/6/18 16:54 Updated: 2007/6/18 16:54 |
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Well, so much for "No servant can serve two masters." Yeah, I know the original parable refered to money. But, in Redding's case, it is definitely refers to two Gods.
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| IMGB007 | Posted: 2007/6/18 17:55 Updated: 2007/6/18 17:55 |
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Said Ms. Redding, "When we say Jesus is the only begotten one, we are saying he's unique in some way. Islam says the same thing. He's the only human aside from Adam who is directly created by God, and he's different from Adam because he has a human mother. So there's agreement-this person is unique in his relationship to God. Sorry, Ms. Redding, Jesus is not a created being. Try actually picking up the Scriptures and reading them; in particular read the Gospel of John 1:1. In the words of Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon!" |
| jimB01 | Posted: 2007/6/18 18:31 Updated: 2007/6/18 18:31 |
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I wonder what if anything the diocise will do about this? I recall that Bp. Bennison finally got the two self-professed druidic priests out of his diocise, and the Irish did something similar with one of theirs who came up with some very odd unitarian ideas.
In a larger sense, however, I think the lady, while wrong comes close to a truth. Islam is, I claim, the heresy of Arianism. That is, it is actually, very bad attempted Christianity gone Arabic. FWIW jimB |
| ngchase | Posted: 2007/6/18 18:57 Updated: 2007/6/18 18:57 |
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It seems a little odd to me that she wants to be both a Christian and a Muslim. Does she come to church covered from head to toe? But since she really is nothing more than a heretic any way since she pretends to be a priest which is not possible since the priesthood is for only males. So who cares what she thinks? These heretics will see how wrong they are, hopefully before their death so they may repent or if not well eternal separation from God is awaiting them,
I pray for their conversion to Christ. |
| aspire1983 | Posted: 2007/6/18 19:18 Updated: 2007/6/18 19:18 |
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QURAN: The Table Spread, Verse 51. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. I wonder what Dr. Redding would do with THAT verse?!?!? |
| unitarian | Posted: 2007/6/18 23:57 Updated: 2007/6/18 23:57 |
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Trading Faith by David Hart is the one on the Anglican Hindu. A very interesting book. See also Alan Watts, passim. Nothing new here. I think the point on Arianism is very good. But in the end, one does have to choose. And I say this as a Unitarian Anglo-Catholic.
Best to all Boston Unitarian |
| Liberty | Posted: 2007/6/19 0:52 Updated: 2007/6/19 0:52 |
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If the Rev Dr. Ann Holmes Redding would live in Saudi Arabia she may come to her senses. She is out of touch with reality. Living in the liberty of the West has caused an undisciplined mind that still has not found the truth. Redding is a child in the sandbox of life. Saudi Arabia may disabuse her.
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| patience | Posted: 2007/6/19 11:07 Updated: 2007/6/19 11:07 |
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Wow! A whole new level of bizarre; 'almost' makes one nostalgic for the clown eurcharist!
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| patience | Posted: 2007/6/19 11:09 Updated: 2007/6/19 11:09 |
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Didn't she once agree (at least, verbally) to uphold a certain set of beliefs....
We may have a breach of contract here folks. |
| patience | Posted: 2007/6/19 11:13 Updated: 2007/6/19 11:16 |
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and perhaps the Bishop might suggest she open the Bible.
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| Lawrence | Posted: 2007/6/19 11:53 Updated: 2007/6/19 11:53 |
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| tallie-ho | Posted: 2007/6/19 12:53 Updated: 2007/6/19 12:53 |
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Let's see.... Christianity: Jesus was 100% man, 100% God.
Islam: Jesus was a great prophet. How is that compatible? If you are a heretic it works just fine! ![]() |
| Rachmnnoff | Posted: 2007/6/19 13:28 Updated: 2007/6/20 5:42 |
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If Ms. Redding was a Fulbright scholar, she doesn't even come across as a halfbright scholar.
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| Ikerliker | Posted: 2007/6/19 21:37 Updated: 2007/6/19 21:37 |
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I Googled her. What a train wreck. This stuff if too weird for fiction.
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| Laytone | Posted: 2007/6/20 2:33 Updated: 2007/6/20 2:33 |
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Opening a Bible would be a new twist! It doesn't seem to be an influence in TEC.
I can just imagine how the sexually liberated and open minded gang at the mosque will be when this woman tells them how things are these days. They may not cotton to the "make-it-up-as-you-go" version of being a Muslim. Incidentally, it doesn't seem to be working well for false Christians either. |
| dturk | Posted: 2007/6/20 13:17 Updated: 2007/6/20 13:17 |
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This woman's theology is a complete, illogical contradiction.
The Qur'an explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified. It claims that the Jews became so confused that they crucified somebody else instead who had the likeness of Christ. It is recorded in the Qur'an 4:15, "They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them." The Bible says: John 19:18 Here they crucified him, and with him two others—one on each side and Jesus in the middle. Acts 10:40-41 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. You either believe one or the other. You can't believe both. The woman is a heretic. |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2007/6/20 16:45 Updated: 2007/6/20 16:45 |
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She is a double heretic, actually. Double the heresy, double the fun....
LHM C |
| quissum | Posted: 2007/6/20 20:13 Updated: 2007/6/20 20:13 |
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As suggested on another thread, perhaps her Arabic name could be Um Majnunah ("Crazy Mother") or Um al-Janun ("Mother of Insanity"). The latter seems preferable to me, echoing as it does "Father of Lies."
Not to make light of a deadly serious matter. That she is considered by some to be a spiritual leader and authority complicates the situation and adds to the terrible burden of her false doctrine. |
| Showmeguy | Posted: 2007/6/20 20:25 Updated: 2007/6/21 18:10 |
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Redding is a moonbat to the Nth degree. Here are a couple of good recent articles discussing the so called "Religion of Peace". No compatibility between the Cult of Islam and Christianity, for anyone who might be interested.
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/06/20/ex-muslims-stand-up-in-britain/ |
| Rachmnnoff | Posted: 2007/6/21 2:52 Updated: 2007/6/21 2:52 |
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Ever seen a moonbat before?
http://e-biscuit.com/images/uploads/IsAMoonbat2.8.04.JPG Hideous little things, aren't they? ![]() |
| mcb123 | Posted: 2007/6/21 15:47 Updated: 2007/6/21 15:47 |
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Hmmm...moonbat female double heretic: I do believe we have the next TEC PB in the making here!!!
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| Hesychios | Posted: 2007/6/22 20:28 Updated: 2007/6/22 20:28 |
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It seems that this woman has an Arian understanding of Jesus of Nazareth, like a JW. How is it that a person can accept the calling of a priest and believe this way?
Is it just a JOB?! What are the opening lines of John? In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. and... He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. This is totally incompatible with the Muslim understanding of Jesus. She is a well educated person and should be embarassed to make the comments she has made. |
| fgoodwin | Posted: 2007/6/23 16:25 Updated: 2007/6/23 16:25 |
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Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)
On the other hand: "Jesus is not the only way to God . . ." Rev. Ann Holmes <http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/reader_feedback/reader_feedback.php?id=171> http://tinyurl.com/36ss36 |
| Wulfstan | Posted: 2007/6/26 20:44 Updated: 2007/6/26 20:44 |
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"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing — they believe in anything." Chesterton...
Poor Redding... part black, part lesbian, part TEC brand X Christian, part Muslim heretic and total moonbat. She has a confused family background, a lousy education, a distorted idea that the key is "belonging." That is not much to go on. But in TEC, where more clergy believe in fairies than the divinity of Christ, she fits RIGHT in. |
| Hogan | Posted: 2007/7/4 16:16 Updated: 2007/7/4 16:16 |
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Some of the Muslim sites are bragging about this "I am a Muslim and Christian" garbage. But, can we expect any more from ECUSA than support of our enemies?
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| FBarbarosa | Posted: 2007/7/4 20:33 Updated: 2007/7/4 20:33 |
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Open the quran OR the Hadith AT RANDOM and begin reading.
The arab moon god known as allah rivals quetzalcoatl or mars in its raw bloodthirst and hatred of human life. Mohamed's violent sick visions have unleashed centuries of suffering on this earth, and unlike Christianity, the centuries have not tempered islam's absolutism, hatred of women and intolerance of other faiths. This "priest" has crawled into bed with a very big devil, and I shudder to think of the road ahead of her. Alas the cancer at ECUSA has about run its course. As a final pathetic suicidal gesture of defeat may I suggest that Schori announce that ECUSA, or whatever it is called these days, announce that it is no longer a church but a subservient branch of the UMMA, the global community of muslims. F. Barbarosa Still fighting in the parallel dimension, alongside Charles Martell! |
| kepha | Posted: 2007/7/8 3:07 Updated: 2007/7/8 3:07 |
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Hi, guys. I've joined TEC! Also, when I stuck my hand in the cookie jar and pulled out a live mouse, I put it in my mouth, chewed it up and swallowed it, because it HAD to be a cookie, right? After all, the thing was in the cookie jar! Also, I was too polite to notice the bad taste of hair, blood, dirt, feces, and all those little bones going crunch, crunch, crunch....NOT
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