LONDON: Anglican coalition to force through breakaway
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
The Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/13/nanglican113.xml
6/13/2007
A powerful coalition of conservative Anglican leaders is preparing to create a parallel Church for conservatives in America in defiance of the Archbishop of Canterbury, provoking the biggest split in Anglican history, The Daily Telegraph has learned.
According to sources, at least six primates are planning the consecration of a prominent American cleric as a bishop to minister to Americans who have rejected their liberal bishops over the issue of homosexuality.
The move will send shock waves through worldwide Anglicanism and may prove to be a fatal blow to the efforts of Dr Rowan Williams to hold together what he described last month as a "very vulnerable, very fragile" Church.
The initiative is understood to have been co-ordinated by senior African archbishops, including the Primate of Kenya, Archbishop Benjamin Nzimbi, who represent the core of the so-called Global South group of conservative primates.
But the group has a wider base and is also thought to include several relatively moderate primates from outside Africa.
The size of the group - its leaders represent well over 10 million Anglicans - will alarm Lambeth Palace as it could eventually evolve into a powerful rival Anglican Church.
Insiders said the scheme was not being led by the maverick Global South leader, the Primate of Nigeria, Archbishop Peter Akinola, who has already set up a similar "missionary" Church in America headed by Bishop Martyn Minns. One said: "This enormous division has been provoked by the unilateral actions of the Americans. They have walked away and we have to care for the survivors."
Dr Williams has repeatedly appealed to his fellow primates to refrain from provocative actions while he struggles to avert what appears to be an increasingly inevitable schism.
Last month he attempted to placate the warring factions by announcing that neither Bishop Gene Robinson, the homosexual American bishop, nor Bishop Minns would be invited to next year's Lambeth Conference, the 10-yearly gathering of all the world's bishops in Canterbury. But conservative leaders were furious that Dr Williams had invited the rest of the liberal leadership of the American Church despite its reluctance to toe the line on homosexuality.
The move by the conservative primates will also dismay the liberal leadership of the Episcopal Church, the American branch of Anglicanism, which originally provoked the crisis by consecrating Bishop Robinson in 2003.
The new conservative organisation in America will create ripples in the Church of England, which has been increasingly torn over the issue of homosexuality. It is certain to surface at next month's meeting of the General Synod in York.
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| Romans828 | Posted: 2007/6/13 12:24 Updated: 2007/6/13 12:24 |
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Well, someone has to hold Rowan's feet to the fire, since he certainly isn't providing any leadership of his own. His idea of leadership is to be in a constant "listening" mode.
I hope that the organizers of this (temporary) "parallel church" in America include some bishops of the Church of England. |
| dturk | Posted: 2007/6/13 12:26 Updated: 2007/6/13 12:26 |
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This is quite significant. It only further drives home the points that there is huge disapproval of TECs machinations and theology and for significantly Rowan Williams has lost control of the situation.
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| Damascus | Posted: 2007/6/13 12:26 Updated: 2007/6/13 12:26 |
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One can only hope and pray that this is true. I suppose it would be wise to wait until after September 30th to implement this plan, but it is good to let the liberals and Rowan Williams know what they can expect. While Rowan is working on his book on Dostoevsky, he can mull over the chaos that his indecision has wrought.
It would be wise for the Canadians to pay attention to this as well before they consign themselves to a similar fate. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2007/6/13 12:50 Updated: 2007/6/13 12:53 |
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If this is true, then I'm not the least bit surprised, since I've been predicting something like this for months. As has already been said, someone has to hold Rowan Cantuar's feet to the fire.
This could once have been construed to force him to make a choice, but I don't think that's the case now. The choice is being made for him, and the rest is up to him: "Speak up, or forever hold your peace." That "temporary parallel Church" could very well become permanent. Cennydd |
| john123 | Posted: 2007/6/13 13:48 Updated: 2007/6/13 14:05 |
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This temporary parallel church , when established, will become permanent. People will have a choice and, being people, they will vote with their feet.
The episcopals have sealed their fate. With all these other choices at hand, their daily Sunday attendance will quickly fall from 800,000 to 400,000 and less. As for Williams, he is irrelevent to both sides. Who cares what he thinks? Speaking of lions dens, I note Williams is researching his book on Dostoyevsky in Washington,DC. Right. Now isn't this where Chane and a whole gaggle of other revisionist live or otherwise hang their hats, from time to time. I can well imagine the phone calls and invitations that will flow between Williams and the local powerful revisionists. In any event , if one wanted to research Dostoyevsky surely the best place to go would be Moscow and other places of higher learning in Russia. Will Williams attend Sunday service at the cathederal or will he go to the local Baptist place of worship in order to preserve his self confessed neutrality.? Don't bother answering. The reader will quickly note what I have stated before. The Bond is broken and TRUST is gone. Today, one cannot even believe ones own preacher. Williams has done nothing to show one that one can trust him. Such shame. |
| Fisherman | Posted: 2007/6/13 14:04 Updated: 2007/6/13 14:06 |
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This confirms the 'chatter' about the behind-the-scenes maneuvering and planning. I believe that when TEc rejected Dar es Salaam and Windsor the wheels started turning for Global Anglicanism while coming off the ECUSA wagon.
Not only will TEc eventually implode membership-wise, it will eventually drain the coffers in legal suits for naught. Holy Spirit 1, TEc 0. |
| Romans828 | Posted: 2007/6/13 14:51 Updated: 2007/6/13 14:52 |
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Rowan is in a permanent "listening" mode, but things are worse yet. When the Anglican Communion goes through years of turmoil and finally faces its climactic crisis over its identity and even its continued existence, Rowan's response is to go on vacation for three months. Can you imagine the leader of a nation or a corporation or any other organization being so weak-kneed?
If Rowan should leave the scene permanently this summer, what do you think would happen next to the Anglican Communion? |
| Newshound | Posted: 2007/6/13 15:04 Updated: 2007/6/13 15:04 |
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The move will send shock waves through worldwide Anglicanism and may prove to be a fatal blow to the efforts of Dr Rowan Williams to hold together what he described last month as a "very vulnerable, very fragile" Church.
Yeh, No kidding Rowan. The liberals want to hold on to bells, smells, old church buildings, and move the Anglican Communion away from the authority of the Bible (2 Tim 3:16), and in the direction of continuing to worship the culture of our time. Read the history books, Rowan, and read the Bible. Guess what happens... splash...splash... fizz... fizz.... ![]() |
| john123 | Posted: 2007/6/13 15:07 Updated: 2007/6/13 15:41 |
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Speaking of the dark side of Dostoyevsky, I wonder if Williams is, or has allowed himself to be, a house guest of a revisionist while he is in Washington DC. Do I see the hand of Kearon,his chief of staff, at work here.?
It would be interesting to see how many "meetings" he will have with revisionists during his sabbatical. How many times will he just bump into these people? |
| cuervoria | Posted: 2007/6/13 15:16 Updated: 2007/6/13 15:16 |
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Machaivelli said it well:
Quote: A prince is also respected when he is either a true friend or a downright enemy, that is to say, when, without any reservation, he declares himself in favour of one party against the other; . . . he who conquers does not want doubtful friends who will not aid him in the time of trial; and he who loses will not harbour you because you did not willingly, sword in hand, fwiw ![]() de la Cuervoria |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2007/6/13 16:58 Updated: 2007/6/13 16:58 |
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The time for talking is over.
The time for fence straddling is over. The Africans, at least, seem interested in catching the sand pouring from the TEC hourglass. Soon, very soon, the hourglass will be empty. Lord, have mercy. |
| GardenSt | Posted: 2007/6/13 18:50 Updated: 2007/6/13 18:50 |
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So, Fr. Atwood is to be a bishop for Kenya in North America. At first this sounded good.
But wait a moment, this is starting to look like the "Continuing Church" movement. What we really need is some unity from the CC's and the Global South. A united Anglican church in North America is the only way to bring about an effective witness for the Gospel. |
| boomercat | Posted: 2007/6/13 19:08 Updated: 2007/6/13 19:08 |
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As I have previously stated, "God save us and spare us from men of letters posing as men of God".
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2007/6/13 20:16 Updated: 2007/6/13 20:40 |
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GardenSt: What is there that you don't like about this? So far, it's only a story....nothing definite about it....but this doesn't mean that orthodox Anglicans won't unite as one Church. Remember: These are the Global South bishops and primates we're talking about here!
Yes, it IS time for the Continuing Churches and the Global South to unite as one, and there's no reason NOT to. And since this would (supposedly) include Anglican Communion Network dioceses and congregations (and there's nothing in the story that says it wouldn't), so much the better! So if this story IS true, then let's give the leaders a chance, shall we? I'd like to hear more about it before we poo-poo the idea! Cennydd |
| frquixote | Posted: 2007/6/13 20:45 Updated: 2007/6/13 20:45 |
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GardenSt: You are right on the money. It sounds more and more like the Continuing Churches all the time ... Let's see, AMIA, CANA and ??
Cennydd: There isn't much likelihood that most of the Continuing Churches would be interested in the 1979 pseudo-BCP and WO and I haven't heard any of the neuvo orthodox say they would be willing to give them up. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2007/6/13 21:36 Updated: 2007/6/13 22:20 |
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And therein lies the conundrum, doesn't it? None of them will give an inch! If we are EVER to say "May we all be one," and really MEAN it, then SOMETHING has got to give!
As long as this attitude persists, such a union will never happen, and most of the Continuing Churches will continue to go their own way, while we "nuevo" orthodox Anglicans will continue on with the renewal of Anglicanism and with the Great Commission given the early Church by Our Lord Himself. If, in order to do this, it means that we will not remain allied with Canterbury, then so be it! What will be will be! Cennydd |
| ZachS | Posted: 2007/6/13 22:44 Updated: 2007/6/13 22:44 |
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"But the group has a wider base and is also thought to include several relatively moderate primates from outside Africa."
So who might these relative moderates be? ZachS |
| Ikerliker | Posted: 2007/6/14 0:41 Updated: 2007/6/14 0:41 |
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Bring it on! The sooner the better. Maybe TEC won't wither away after all. Hopefully it will implode into a huge heap of dung. It would be a fitting end.
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