Fort Worth, Quincy Dioceses break away is hype. Not true, says Bishop Ackerman
Diocese of Ft. Worth Reaffirms Pursuit of APO
By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
5/16/2007
Saying that he was baffled by reports that the Diocese of Quincy and the Diocese of Ft. Worth are seeking immediate Alternative Primatial Oversight, reported by Ruth Gledhill of The London Times, Bishop Keith Ackerman told VirtueOnline that the reports caught him off guard and were untrue.
"I am with the president of the Standing Committee and I am as baffled as anyone about these reports in The London Times and on the conservative blog Stand Firm. Any such announcement or action is premature."
"What I can say I know is that all of us in the Network who have requested APO have to understand what we have all along been asking for (APO) is because the HOB was less than conciliatory. The humor for me is that might lead to that some day. But to even to be talking about this now amazes me."
"If these people have more information than the Bishop of Quincy I would be more than grateful for these people to get in touch with me. I need to have more information than the people putting it out there."
"I am aware that there is much speculation about what Ft. Worth might do but nobody has told me what the outcome of that meeting may be."
"If the communique is rejected by the Episcopal House of Bishops, and we have done everything to comply and they do not comply and we as orthodox bishops have complied, we would be doing more than petitioning some primate. I have talked with no one."
Asked about what Ft. Worth might be doing, Ackerman said that what is true is that the Standing Committee and the Diocesan Council are scheduled to meet today. It is on their calendar.
"They are presently meeting, and may issue a statement later this evening, but I have heard nothing from Bishop Iker to indicate that he is about to make some major announcement without informing me."
In a headline, "Sensational news from the US." Gledhill said Forth Worth is to seek 'alternative primatial oversight' from an African primate. Quincy and at least three others of the Network dioceses are expected to follow suit. (Some of the Network affiliates want to continue to work it out with TEC.) I don't know which African Primate is to be approached, save that it is not Peter Akinola. Being Forward in Faith dioceses, they'll be looking in a catholic rather than evangelical direction. Malango perhaps? Fort Worth's standing committee and executive are meeting this afternoon, and we can expect a statement after that, around midnight GMT. According to Stand Firm, what I'm saying here comes close to, but does not precisely match, what they have been hearing."
She wrote: "An impeccable source within TEC told me: 'Fort Worth is in conversation with four other dioceses about seeking alternative primatial oversight outside The Episcopal Church. They have yet to come to an agreement with an African Primate.'"
Ackerman responded, "I don't know an impeccable source in the TEC that she could be referring too. This is all speculation and hype."
Gledhill said that the statement is expected to outline developments to date, and why they feel driven to take this drastic step. It will have a huge impact because, although individual congregations have left before, mainly for CANA, this will be the first diocese to declare its departure. After that, four other dioceses may go as well. Does TEC have enough lawyers to fight this many property battles I wonder?"
"The developments to be charted in the statement will include last summer's fruitless appeal to the Archbishop of Canterbury for alternative primatial oversight, the dioceses' own rejection of the Presiding Bishop's offer of a primatial vicar appointed by her and their refusal even to attend the meeting where she proposed it."
"We are aware that the actions of the HOB was not the official rejection of the communique and we are of the fact that Primates will respond after Sept. 30," he said.
No diocese is going to act independently without consulting the other dioceses that have sought APO according to Ackerman.
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DIOCESE REAFFIRMS PURSUIT OF APO
Official Diocesan Response
FORT WORTH, Texas (5/16/2007) - The Executive Council of the Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth has adopted a statement of the diocesan Standing Committee calling for the diocese to move forward with its appeal for Alternative Primatial Oversight (APO).
The Bishop and Standing Committee of the diocese first appealed for APO at the General Convention in June 2006. That appeal was endorsed by the diocesan Executive Council in September 2006 and by the Diocesan Convention in November 2006. The Bishop and diocese remain firmly convinced of the need for alternative oversight; therefore, the Standing Committee, meeting Monday, May 14, adopted the following statement as an assessment of the current situation and a proposal to actively pursue all viable options. It was adopted by the Executive Council in its regular bimonthly meeting. The mood of the council was both thoughtful and sad, yet it was considered prudent to "explore the possibilities and count the costs." According to the Constitution of the diocese, the Executive Council "exercises the powers of the Convention between meetings thereof."
The text of the statement is as follows:
Where are we with the appeal for Alternative Primatial Oversight?
When the Diocese of Fort Worth first appealed for APO at the General Convention in June 2006, it was hoped that a special pastoral relationship could be established with an orthodox primate, in the interest of preserving unity and fostering mission, in the face of an impaired relationship with the newly elected Presiding Bishop. The original appeal was made in good faith and was directed to the Archbishop of Canterbury, the primates of the Communion and the Panel of Reference. (Subsequently, it was decided not to approach the Panel of Reference about this in light of other pressing cases already before it.)
As seven other dioceses made similar appeals during the course of the summer, it was agreed to combine them into one appeal, asking the Archbishop of Canterbury to appoint a commissary who would act on his behalf, providing a special primatial relationship with the appellant dioceses. He arranged a summit in New York in September with interested parties to discuss the matter in an attempt to come up with "an American solution to an American problem." This meeting failed to reach an agreement, with the PB-elect claiming that she has no primatial oversight of TEC dioceses and cannot therefore give to another what she does not have. Subsequently, representatives from the appellant dioceses met in November with the steering committee of the Global South primates to present their requests for APO. This meeting ended with the assurance that they would respond with a plan to address the expressed needs of the appellant dioceses.
On November 18, 2006, the Fort Worth Diocesan Convention voted overwhelmingly in support of the APO request that the Bishop and Standing Committee had made in June. A second New York meeting was held later that month, but none of the appellant bishops attended because no proposal had been made for discussion. This meeting ended with the Presiding Bishop offering a plan for a Primatial Vicar, to be appointed by her and be accountable to her. The appellant bishops rejected the proposal as unacceptable.
The APO requests were presented to the primates meeting in Dar es Salaam in February 2007. At the conclusion of the meeting, a Communique was issued that proposed the establishment of a Pastoral Council, which would oversee the ministry of a Primatial Vicar, to be selected by the Windsor Bishops coalition and be accountable to the Council. This plan was rejected by the House of Bishops at their March meeting at Camp Allen even though their approval was not sought. Nothing further has been heard about this from the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Every attempt to find "an American solution to an American problem" has failed. Following the two meetings in New York and the House of Bishops' rejection of the primates' proposed Pastoral Council at their March meeting, it now seems clear that there is no desire on the part of the present TEC leadership to provide an acceptable form of Alternative Primatial Oversight within The Episcopal Church. The Presiding Bishop of this church has refused to accept the key recommendations of the Windsor Report, has failed to seek implementation of the essential requests of the Dar es Salaam Communique, and has denied basic tenets of the teaching of the New Testament. By her statements and actions, the course she wishes to pursue is clear: to lead TEC to walk apart from the Anglican Communion. This is a course we cannot follow. For all these reasons and others, we do not wish to be affiliated with her, nor with anyone she may appoint or designate to act on her behalf.
So where does this leave the Diocese of Fort Worth's appeal for APO?
While we remain open to the possibility of negotiation and some form of acceptable settlement with TEC, it appears that our only option is to seek APO elsewhere. This may entail a cooperative effort with other appellant dioceses in consultation with primates of the Anglican Communion, to form a new Anglican Province of the Communion in North America. A second possibility would be for the diocese to transfer to another existing Province of the Anglican Communion. A third possibility would be to seek the status of an extra-provincial diocese, under the authority of the Archbishop of Canterbury, as presently recognized in several other cases.
We believe that we must now explore these possibilities.
The Bishop and the Standing Committee of The Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth
May 14, 2007
The Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth consists of 55 congregations serving 24 north central Texas counties. The major cities in the diocese include Fort Worth, Arlington, Hurst-Euless-Bedford, Wichita Falls, Grand Prairie, Richland Hills, Brownwood, and Stephenville. The Rt. Rev. Jack L. Iker has served as the third Diocesan Bishop of Fort Worth since 1995. The diocese enjoys companion relationships with the Dioceses of Northern Malawi and Northern Mexico.
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| otispage2 | Posted: 2007/5/16 20:31 Updated: 2007/5/16 20:31 |
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Thanks to David Virtue for the "qualifying clarification" to the frantic speculation probably fed by hope.
The question is: where there is smoke, is there fire? |
| Fisherman | Posted: 2007/5/16 23:29 Updated: 2007/5/16 23:29 |
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Dr. Virtue's information posted above is official for the Diocese of Fort Worth: http://www.fwepiscopal.org/downloads/FWstatement051607.pdf
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| Gander | Posted: 2007/5/16 23:36 Updated: 2007/5/16 23:36 |
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The Episcopal Club is kicking people out right and left. There needs to be a place of safety for all. God bless those who actually have to do the dirty work of putting this whole thing together.
While we talk..... Don |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2007/5/17 0:08 Updated: 2007/5/17 0:24 |
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Don, sooner or later, we're going to have that place of safety for all, and it's not going to be an easy process forming one. There've been several proposals suggested, including APO from overseas primates, etc. I think the most workable and doable would be the creation of an orthodox province here in the U.S., as I've suggested so often on this and other blogs.
I think there's a very good chance that this will happen; either directly under one of our orthodox bishops or under the leadership of a foreign primate as a missionary or "extraterritorial province" of an overseas jurisdiction until such time as our own leadership is up and functioning. It's my understanding that this is the same arrangement adopted by the Church of England in the creation of one or more African provinces. I am confident that we will soon be rid of TEC, since they seem so determined to go off on their own, and we traditional orthodox Anglicans will assume our place as the sole authentic expression of Anglicanism in this country. We can't afford to let anything deter us from this goal, and internecine squabbling isn't going to help our cause. Cennydd |
| lkwells | Posted: 2007/5/17 1:19 Updated: 2007/5/17 1:19 |
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"I am confident that we will soon be rid of TEC..."
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, barf, barf, blah, blah, barf, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, barf, barf, blah, blah, barf, blah, blah, barf, barf "We can't afford to let anything deter us from this goal," blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, barf, barf, blah, blah, barf, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, barf, barf, blah, blah, barf, blah, blah, barf, barf It's been over thirty years since the illegal ordination of the Philadelphia Eleven, the Minneapolis GC of 1976, the "ordination" of Ellen Barret, John Spong, Barbara Harris, etc, etc. And the same old same old same old artesian well of bovine feces spews endlessly from the the Sage of San Joaquin, telling us "any day now." Cennyd, you have my prayers and my sympathy. I remain your disgusted and disillusioned friend. |
| ZachD | Posted: 2007/5/17 1:41 Updated: 2007/5/17 1:41 |
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With friends like that . . . Yikes ! |
| Wittenberg | Posted: 2007/5/17 2:48 Updated: 2007/5/17 2:48 |
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It's always nice to be part of a group when making a major decision such as to leave a church body in which one has been a member for (in my own case) 30 years, but sometimes one can't afford to wait for others to make up their minds and come along when one is trying to be faithful to the Word of God. I learned that recently when I resigned my membership in the Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod both as a member of a congregation and as an emeritus pastor on the clergy roster. I was a member of a very conservative congregation by LCMS standards--no woman suffrage or office-holding in the congregation, no joint worship or work with any church bodies outside of the LCMS and its fellowship--but the bottom line was the same that some of you have noticed with conservative Anglicans still involved with TEC: people being willing to "mark" false teachers and teachings as per Rom. 16:17 for decades, but not being willing to finally "avoid" them.
A significant number of members of the Missouri Synod have been "marking" false doctrine and practice in the LCMS for 60 years, but very, very few are willing to finally bite the bullet and "avoid" them. Where does it say in Rom. 16:17 that one can "mark" for 60+ years without finally "avoiding"? Perhaps the false doctrine and practice in TEC doesn't go back that far, but how long is long enough? |
| Fisherman | Posted: 2007/5/17 11:32 Updated: 2007/5/17 11:35 |
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If I were able to buy stock on insider information, I'd buy San Joachin. If I were a betting man I'd have money on Fort Worth and Pittsburgh (they're a little behind the DoSJ but not far). From there it's anyone's guess.
But my faith is in the Lord. I do believe the 'blah, blah, blah' days are over - for many. They were for my parish last autumn. We are finally rid of baggage of TEc and I believe many more will lighten the burden in the very near future. Rid themselves of this oppressive weight, move on. Come on in, the water’s fine :) |
| ZachD | Posted: 2007/5/17 12:38 Updated: 2007/5/17 12:39 |
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Dear Wittenberg,
Thanks for your offering. Episcopalians/Anglicans have been at this for the same amount of time. This is spirit of the age stuff, and had infected and was incubated in our seminaries for a long period of time. The public face of this fight was bound to come, as the grass roots get fed up with the piles of rancorous filth that comes from our leaders. Many of the weaker ones come on side with the revisionist and all-inclusive pablum that is being poured into the 'feedbag'. Those who know something of the saving hand and power of the risen Lord seek something that is not offered in the growing mainstream. They leave (although there are truly no greener pastures - all will be 'picked-off' one by one in due time) or they attempt to fight a good fight. Of course there are all sorts of variables that exist that make this nothing more than a bit of conjecture on my part. The Lord alone knows where this is headed. Perhaps we will be reduced to a truly faithful remnant. One family of true believers. All who love and serve the Lord, here; all who devour godliness, there. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2007/5/17 15:38 Updated: 2007/5/17 15:55 |
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ZachD, wouldn't it be nice if there were a huge crystal ball in which we could all see where this is heading? But the problem is that no one knows where we're heading in terms of realignment.
Instead, we have the Network, the AMiA, CANA, and FiFNA where we should have only ONE orthodox Church; pulling in one direction, and the Continuing Churches; again where we should have only one, pulling in the other direction and going nowhere, and each of them asking us to join them. Each group has their differences, and especially in the case of the Continuing Churches, each seems to be claiming that they are the ones who are right. In the case of the groups in Common Cause, there are differences which need to be ironed out, such as the ordination of women and which prayer book to use. This will be no easy task, considering the arguments pro and con. We have got to come to some common understanding and agreement. Otherwise, we are going to remain splintered, weak, and ineffectual. We can't afford to let this situation continue! Some say that we have to do things their way, while others can't agree on anything except that they want to remain in the Communion. This has to change. What to do? Who knows? Cennydd |
| ZachD | Posted: 2007/5/17 17:05 Updated: 2007/5/17 17:29 |
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I think, Cennydd, that a great many of us want simply to worship the Lord in spirit and in truth. In a nutshell, that is my initial aim, since a certain 'gift of knowledge' regarding this future might be fun to think about, we would bypass the war for a flight of fancy. No thanks.
During my preliminary searches into the alphabet soup of groups that now share space and life with us, I am struck by a phenomenal amount of piety and legalism out there. When I hear(read) about the ernestness of clerics joining/forming/leaving/reforming/reconsecrating en masse, I start to get turned off really fast. A certain priest and long time friend of mine, has asserted that most would be pretty hard pressed to 'prove' some notion of apostolic succession, these days. The thought of God having 'no grandchildren' comes up. He and I both value the apostolic life and witness to the church. It is the Holy Spirit that is to lead us into the way of truth. I can comfortably state that this is not schorian truth! Talk in this thread continues with 'how long is it gonna take before you leave' and 'come on in the water's fine'. I have no sense that my soul is imperil'd since I choose to stay and fight a good fight. I have less sureities about taking the third left turn on the right, before taking the 4th right turn, again, if you get the drift of that. Our leaders have failed us. And they continue to do so. Navigating this game must take great care, indeed! I would not dream of embarking alone. Like you, I have leadership immediate to me that I trust completely. He however, would remain on the sinking ship longer than I (I suspect). A clarion call for a better idea has not yet come. We must be very judicious, pray, keep short accounts with God and with one another, and be willing to be used of God (which means careful listening and discernment). I am worshipping in an orthodox place that is also supportive of my ministry gifts and leadership programs. Others, sadly are not. All must make a decision based upon their circumstances. I would NEVER remain in a place of preached heresies. Something down the road would be much better! |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2007/5/17 17:10 Updated: 2007/5/17 17:10 |
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Well said, as usual!
Cennydd |
| ZachD | Posted: 2007/5/17 17:34 Updated: 2007/5/17 17:39 |
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(I made that post a lot bigger after you said, "well said, as usual!")
But I am suddenly very aware that God takes His time. We created ones go rushing and pushing after deadlines! Paul believed that he had 'wasted' the better part of his life, before the Lord sent him out on his journeys. |
| Gander | Posted: 2007/5/17 21:28 Updated: 2007/5/17 21:28 |
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"If I were able to buy stock on insider information...."
In spite of the years of blah-blah there is gold to come out of the crucible. We are seeing it right now. Yep, I'd go long and on margin for several good dioces. Don |
| FatherR | Posted: 2007/5/18 1:38 Updated: 2007/5/18 1:38 |
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While the years of blah, blah, blah, must be put behind us. The question now becomes what do we do in the future. THe current alphabet soup must some how come to an end.
I truly believe that if such Anglo-Catholic Dioceses such as Forth Worth were to receive APO there might just be a glimmer of hope that at least some of the alphabet soup could begin to heal. As a priest of a continuing Anglican Church, I could seriously begin to think of the idea of entering into communion with Fort Worth. It might be a long shot but it is worth considering. Fort Worth does practice the faith without the additions of womens ordinations, and the gay and feminist agendas of ECUSA's leadership. Sure there are some other issues, such as which Prayer Book to use but these could be overcome. They are not insurmountable obstacles. I pray that maybe such Dioceses as Forth Worth, QUincy, and San Joaquin may truly become the way God choses to restore orthodox Anglican Unity in America. |
| Gander | Posted: 2007/5/18 1:48 Updated: 2007/5/18 1:49 |
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"I pray that maybe such Dioceses as Forth Worth, QUincy, and San Joaquin may truly become the way God choses to restore orthodox Anglican Unity in America."
FatherR, I pray for more than that. I pray that those good congregations and leaders help restore ALL denominations to a semblance of orthodoxy. I pray that bishops see themselves as bishops of all who are subject to them and not just Anglicans and not just in one place. "The world is my parish" was a very novel idea in John Westley's time but a practical neccessity today. I'm not saying that we need to elliminate boundaries, but that those boundaries are by nature more fuzzy than they have ever been. Don |
| Dominic | Posted: 2007/5/18 9:17 Updated: 2007/5/18 9:17 |
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So the 'break-away' talk is only hype. What a pity!
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| Leonard | Posted: 2007/5/18 9:17 Updated: 2007/5/18 9:17 |
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Of course I recommend the CEC as that place to go.......
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| oregonb | Posted: 2007/5/18 22:05 Updated: 2007/5/18 22:05 |
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Inkwells, finally I have to agree with you!! Thanks for posting.
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| oregonb | Posted: 2007/5/18 22:08 Updated: 2007/5/18 22:08 |
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Cennyd, you got that right!!!! You ain't no sage.
not even close!!!! |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2007/5/19 0:20 Updated: 2007/5/19 0:20 |
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Oregonb: For what it's worth, I don't care to be, either! I never claimed to be, nor would I.
Cennydd |
| ptay12 | Posted: 2007/5/19 15:20 Updated: 2007/5/19 15:20 |
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Amen to Fr Wells.
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| FatherR | Posted: 2007/5/22 2:07 Updated: 2007/5/22 2:09 |
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Gander,
While I agree with you that we need to pray for ALL denominations to return to a semblance of orthodoxy, most of us here are Anglicans/Episcopalians and so we must start in our own backyard. We need to have an orthodox Anglican presence in North America before we can help members of other denominations return to a "semblance of orthodoxy" as they see it. Our blessed Lord prayed that we all may be one. But without a true oneness of faith that is based on more than the lowest common denominator that cannot happen. We have seen churches merge based on the lowest common denominator and they are more liberal than ECUSA. "The world is my parish" is a great concept and I would certainly agree with it. But as I said earlier we must get our own house in order before we can help others get their houses in order. God bless. ![]() |
| FrRandel | Posted: 2007/5/31 23:25 Updated: 2007/5/31 23:25 |
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Indeed
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