THE HYPOCRISY AND SLURS OF LIBERAL EPISCOPAL BISHOPS
News Analysis
By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
5/10/2007
Former Bishop of Kansas William Smalley, now the interim rector of Trinity Episcopal Church in Anderson, Indiana, watched as a majority of orthodox members left his church over The Episcopal Church's stand on sexuality issues and the authority of Scripture and joined up with the Rev. Tim Tirman of St. Michael The Archangel Anglican Church at Davis Park. He said, "We're not going to stand at the door and bar people. Everyone is welcome in our church. We are an inclusive church and welcome anyone and believe judgment belongs to God."
This is an untrue and unfair attack upon orthodox rectors.
There has never been a known case of an orthodox rector, either Evangelical or Anglo-Catholic, who stood at the church door on any given Sunday morning and asked people, as they came through the doors, if they are gay or straight, what their sexual proclivities are, and then refuse entrance when told they were homosexual.
It is has never happened. Had there been such a case, it would have made the national news. One can see the headline: EVANGELICAL EPISCOPAL RECTOR BARS GAYS FROM CHURCH.
You have never seen it and never will. Orthodox priests have never barred anyone from coming to church. Only on very rare occasions have homosexuals been denied Holy Communion by an orthodox priest. I have seen with my own eyes, Dr. Louie Crew, the church's leading sodomite, receive Holy Communion from the Rt. Rev. Bob Duncan (Network Moderator) in the cathedral in Pittsburgh. The two men do not agree but Duncan has never denied the Eucharist to Crew who is free to damn himself.
It is statements like Smalley's, along with the statement that they are inclusive bishops ministering in an inclusive church to anybody, that are attempts to make them look good and make the rest of us look bigoted.
Inclusiveness is the new buzzword of liberals and revisionists. It is a deliberate attempt to make orthodox folk appear to be exclusionary, fundamentalist and homophobic when, in point of fact, they are teaching and preaching what The Church teaches about human sexuality. It is not the orthodox who have moved away from Holy Writ; it is liberals and revisionists.
This misuse of language must be seen for what it truly is - a watering down of the church's teaching on sexuality, the open embrace of sexual sin, and a fundamental denial that Jesus, Paul, the Early Church, and the Church Fathers all spoke decisively and with extreme clarity about how we should behave with our bodies.
The leadership of the Episcopal Church has affirmed its inclusion of active non-celibate gay and lesbian members and rejected the demands of conservatives to turn back from their wicked ways. This is not the doing of the wider Anglican Communion. It is the fault of those like Bishop Smalley who will not repent and would rather watch the church dry up and die before they ever admitting they are wrong. Bishop Charles E. Bennison has said as much to his people in Philadelphia. He doesn't care if the church dies it will somehow be reborn looking like Spong's Twelve Theses.
Smalley raises a second issue that "Everyone is welcome in our church. We are an inclusive church and welcome anyone..."
When has an orthodox rector ever made anyone feel unwelcome? The truth is; I have been to gay-friendly churches that, when they have learned who I was, have made me feel very UNWELCOME. Inclusivity applies to homosexuals and lesbians, but lo and behold, if you dare suggest that you have another point of view, (straight white male who believes sex is reserved for a husband and wife in marriage) it is you who are made to feel unwelcome.
Smalley's statement tries to make orthodox folk feel like bigots for not being inclusive of sexual sin.
It never cuts both ways. Louie Crew once advocated that "Inclusion" signs be put outside all those Episcopal parishes in the U.S. affirming sodomy. By implication, he was saying that those who would not put out such signs were homophobic and not inclusive. This is neither fair nor accurate.
The truth is orthodox folk have never denied entrance to any one. What they have said, and will continue to say, is that the issue of sexuality is an issue of proscribed behavior, not the denial of persons. They also say, and will continue to say, the church's message is come as you are, but not stay as you are. Come a sinner (all are sinners, no exceptions) and find salvation. That is the church's message. If it changes, there fundamentally is no message. The Episcopal Church will not be saved by a combination of Millennium Development Goals and affirming (LGBT) sexual sin.
Smalley then makes a third point: judgment. He said, "Judgment belongs to God." Indeed it does. Ministers of the gospel don't necessarily judge persons. In truth the church must judge how we live and call us to repent. Finger-pointing fundamentalist preachers are a lot closer to the mark than those like Smalley who would excuse certain behaviors based on a faulty premise that God winks and nods at how we behave.
The Pope is presently in Brazil blasting abortion as morally unacceptable. He is not pointing the finger at those who do abortions although he has said they are excommunicating themselves by performing them. On the basis of Smalley's worldview the pope is not inclusive of women's feelings and their right to do with their bodies as they please. The Pope should shut up. The Roman Catholic Church has also said homosexuality is a "morally disordered" behavior. I have never heard the Pope or a priest say that homosexuals were not welcome in the church. Neither have orthodox Episcopal priests.
Ultimately judgment is left to God.
It is interesting to note that Marcus Hyde was charged with a hate crime for throwing a pie at the Rev. Don Armstrong. The Police blotter said he "was passing judgment on Father Armstrong for his fellow parishioners."
So who is passing judgment on whom? Have you ever read of an orthodox priest or lay person throwing a pie at V. Gene Robinson? Of course you haven't. The orthodox go into their closets to pray for Robinson's conversion.
The giant fiction perpetrated by Robinson and Griswold at Robinson's consecration in New Hampshire was that they both needed to wear bullet proof flak jackets for fear of being shot, (presumably by a fundamentalist Episcopal priest). Admission to the auditorium required an official invitation and a level of personal bodily examination that exceeded going through an airport. (My wife could not join me and had to sit in our car the whole time.)
When Nigerian Archbishop Peter Akinola defied the top bishop of the Episcopal Church and the Archbishop of Canterbury by installing his own bishop on U.S. soil this past week, he blamed "insulting and condescending" Americans for the continuing controversy embroiling the Anglican Communion. When Frank Griswold met the African Primates he commented that they (the primates) will catch up to us when they understand homosexuality better. That is judgment pure and simple.
Mrs. Schori recently said she understands that some people feel that the primates' recommendations are a "hard and bitter pill for many of us to talk about swallowing." She also said that worldwide attitudes about the inclusion of gay and lesbian people are changing and "I don't expect that to end. We're being asked to pause in the journey. We are not being asked to go back. Time and history are with this Church."
False. Time and history might be on the side of culture and certain failing mainline liberal Protestant denominations, but it is not on the side of the church. There are as many as 80 million Evangelicals in this country who do not that believe sodomy is good and right in the eyes of God. Their voices are rarely if ever heard by the liberal mainstream media because they have been deemed homophobic and not inclusive.
Goring the ox of orthodox clergy and laity has become the sport of liberal and revisionist bishops like Bishop Smalley and Mrs. Schori. In time it will catch up with them. September 30 is the deadline. We will see then just how "inclusive" liberal and revisionist bishops feel when they are told that their day is done in the Anglican Communion. Being united around Millennium Development Goals and sodomy will not be enough to save the Smalley's and Schori's of this world or The Episcopal Church.
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| mathman | Posted: 2007/5/10 23:38 Updated: 2007/5/10 23:38 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/5/26 From: Rockville, MD Posts: 1064 |
The statement that "everyone is welcome" is belied by the depositions and defrockings which have taken place. Everyone is NOT welcome. Let us get that squared away at the outset. Only those who do NOT accept the word of the OT and the NT are welcome.
Oh, yes. And do NOT expect any Bishops or Prelates from Churches which are not in the Diocese of the Bishop referred to to be welcome. They can just stay away, as the ancient tradition [so-called] forecloses ANY boundary crossing. And as for judgment belonging to God: whose God? Is (?)Smalley referring to the God revealed in the NT, or to a god he made up for himself? Judgment begins with the household of God. [I did not make that up, I read it somewhere.] The superb irony is that (?)Smalley and his ilk are the most rigorously EXCLUSIVE group which could be imagined. |
| quissum | Posted: 2007/5/11 0:29 Updated: 2007/5/11 9:15 |
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This is the hardest pill to swallow: that conservative, orthodox believers do not "love" homosexuals--and revisionists--and, therefore, somehow do not fulfill the will of Christ, our Lord. Of course, this is an outrageous misrepresentation by Bp. Smalley, et al., who either do not understand or intentionally misrepresent the position of orthodox believers.
I think we must accept that there is much confusion here, not all of which is intentional disinformation. There are many Episcopalians who, too long comfortable with an apostate priestly hierarchy that has long since abandoned the historic Christian Faith, are truly confused by issues of sexuality and the nature of authority for Christian believers. There is a powerful push to misrepresent the ancient Christian position, and countless souls are in the balance. Of course, it is grievous to have our vital interests. our true love, and heartfelt beliefs misunderstood and misrepresented. An understandable response is argument (sometimes vitriolic) and scriptural proof--none of which seems to avail much in the situation at hand. Note however: it is NOT a level playing field, nor are our opponents truly interested in understanding our position. Ours--i.e. the orthodox testimony--has become, it seems, a prophetic position, counter-cultural, and fraught with personal peril, yet essential to God's eternal and unchanging call and purposes for Humankind. "Power" is largely in 'their'hands, and they are far from the true understanding of God's Word and His Love. Our Lord spoke of enemies from one's own household, and this is the bitterest enmity of all. Our great consolation, of course, is that Christ's Kingdom shall prevail: the gates of Hell cannot withstand it. May God give us insight into the conflict in which we are deeply enmeshed; the strength to stand firm, His words at the right time, and the blessed consolation of His blessed Holy Spirit. |
| frquixote | Posted: 2007/5/11 0:38 Updated: 2007/5/11 0:38 |
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I have seen with my own eyes, Dr. Louie Crew, the church's leading sodomite, receive Holy Communion from the Rt. Rev. Bob Duncan (Network Moderator) in the cathedral in Pittsburgh. The two men do not agree but Duncan has never denied the Eucharist to Crew who is free to damn himself. So much for the rubric after the Holy Communion in the 1928 Book of Common Prayer: Quote: If among those who come to be partakers of the Holy Communion, the Minister shall know any to be an open and notorious evil liver, or to have done any wrong to his neighbors by word or deed, so that the Congregation be thereby offended; he shall advertise him, that he presume not to come to the Lord's Table , until he have openly declared himself to have truly repented and amended his former evil life, that the Congregation may thereby be satisfied; I guess being "the church's leading sodomite" is no longer being an open and notorious evil liver in Bp Duncan's eyes? FrQuixote |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2007/5/11 0:40 Updated: 2007/5/11 0:40 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6863 |
I think these liberal bishops and other clergy need to take a sabbatical and spend it among us reasserters if they're convinced that we're as biased as they think we are! If they're open-minded, they'll get an education, but if they're not, then they're lost souls!
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| otispage2 | Posted: 2007/5/11 0:49 Updated: 2007/5/11 3:22 |
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The truth is a sinister conspiracy has been executed by closeted homosexual activists, bisexuals, and now, by an open small minority of practicing homosexuals – preaching “the right of orgasm” and “genital expression” in evolving New Age rituals – with the cynical objective to dominate in a “take over” of the financial (those huge Trusts) and hard assets (those lovely old parishes) in the name of theological relativism.
All during this time lovely Episcopalians have liturgically marched to the altar and fallen tolerantly and patiently to the false story-line of homosexual suffering. Now the sufferings are acute for those dear Saints and Episcopate who stood by with tender hearted Christian empathy – for they have lost their Church. And those who have seen and understand the game – they are righteously leaving to redeem and preserve their salvations! The William Smalleys, following the precepts of Jack Spong, who have relished their high pay and their present handsome retirements from soft jobs , are the equivalents of Judas who sold his soul for 30 pieces of silver. They have sold Christ to again be crucified on the Cross. (Heb 6:4-6) And by that apostasy have committed the deepest unconfessed sin and made Christ a liar. (1John 1:10). But this does not worry these purveyors of deceit. They never believed Christ’s story in the first place. They all believe – like Spong – that it is all myth. They are all going to Hell! |
| Guardian | Posted: 2007/5/11 1:01 Updated: 2007/5/11 10:41 |
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Dear Friends,
Many of you who have read my prevoious posts know that I often choose the weapons of ridicule and hyperbole to fight the apostasy of TEC. Again, I refer you to the words of Martin Luther who wrote: "The best way to drive out the devil, if he will not yield to texts of Scripture, is to jeer and flout him, for he cannot bear scorn." I hope you will enjoy the following. Ten Ways to Know You Belong to a TEC Social Club • The Presiding Bishop makes frequent references to Mother Jesus. • The Rector refers to the Ten Commandments as the Ten Suggestions. • During the service the rector announces the third reading of the bans for the marriage between Chad Smith and Collin Jones. • The Rector discourages daily Bible reading as it is anti-Semitic, anti-feminist, homophobic, and generally out of touch with our enlightened times and culture. • Adult Sunday School classes are reading the Koran and the collected writings of the Budda in order to gain spiritual insight into the diversity and universality of God. Children’s classes are discussing Heather Has Two Mommies and Daddy Has a Roommate. • The Rector is deeply upset that the Department of Motor Vehicle Registration does not currently offer a Pro-Choice license plate. A Family Planning center has been offered free office space next to the church library. • Members of the congregation politely suggest that you refrain from using the divisive “J” word while attending services. • The complete works of John Spong are available in the Narthex. • The vestry has just approved the purchase of a large number of clown noses, noise makers, and whoopee cushions for the pews. • The church bulletin announces that the service for the fifth Sunday of the month will be conducted by the members of the Ladies Alter Guild using the Rite of the Divine Feminine. For the benefit of anyone who may think I've gone completely over the top or who doesn't understand some of my references, please check out the following links. Clown Communion http://www.expagan.info/blog/?p=123 Rite of the Divine Feminine http://www.ird-renew.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=fvKVLfMVIsG&b=399595&ct=416055 Item six regarding Pro-Choice licenses plates is not fiction. About four years ago I bumped into the rector of the TEC church who had married Mrs. Guardian and I fifteen years ago. She I were purchasing new car license tags. She (yes I did say she) actually did make this remark after asking me what the sample "Choose Life" plate hanging on the wall was all about. This was the straw that broke the camel's back. Shortly thereafter we transferred our membership to a REC church. Last year I purchased a Choose Life plate for my car. Like a number of orthodox episcopalians, I had become more and more by the change of direction in ECUSA/TEC, however, most of the gay stuff had not reached Arkansas. Too, Article XXVI kept me complacent. Finally, like the father in Fiddler on the Roof, I came to the conclusion that "On the other hand, there is no other hand". Article XXVI. The sacraments are not rendered ineffectual by the unworthiness of the minister. The sacraments are not rendered ineffectual by the unworthiness of the minister. Although in the visible church the evil are always mingled with the good and sometimes evil people possess the highest rank in the ministry of the Word and sacraments, nevertheless since they do not do these things in their own name but in Christ's and minister by his commission and authority, we may use their ministry both in hearing God's Word and in receiving the sacraments. The effect of Christ's institution is not taken away by the wickedness of these people, nor is the grace of God's gifts diminished, so long as the sacraments are received by faith and rightly. The sacraments are effectual because of Christ's institution and promise, even though they may be administered by evil men. Nevertheless, it belongs to the discipline of the church that investigation be made into evil ministers. Those who are accused by witnesses having knowledge of their offenses and who in the end are justly found guilty, should be disposed. http://www.episcopalian.org/efac/39articles/39art.htm Guardian ![]() |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2007/5/11 3:19 Updated: 2007/5/11 3:19 |
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Duncan is a wimp, surrounded by chick priests. I've been to his cathedral -- on a high holy day no less -- and witnessed his invertibrateness with my own eyes, firmly attached to the top end of my vertibraical column!
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2007/5/11 3:24 Updated: 2007/5/11 3:24 |
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Hooah!
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| Keble | Posted: 2007/5/11 3:25 Updated: 2007/5/11 3:25 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/11/13 From: Posts: 206 |
One more pseudo-orthodox bishop surrounded by the cult of the priestess.
Did they not learn that when you sleep with dogs you wake up with fleas? Keble |
| Keble | Posted: 2007/5/11 3:38 Updated: 2007/5/23 0:21 |
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Joe,
I always thought that giving up one's spine was a pre-requisite to becoming a Bishop in the Episcopal Church. It is also commonly observable in England. In the era before women's ordination, these bishops might simply have been called "geldings for Jesus." Identification as spineless is probably the more politically correct terminolgy for the 21st century - it is gender neutral! In any event, I believe it must be part of the Consecration Rite or is required somewhere in the Canons. Keble |
| iceworm | Posted: 2007/5/11 8:57 Updated: 2007/5/11 8:57 |
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Thank you frquixote and an amem to jotm. I have long had reservations regarding Bishop Duncan. I think he continues to ordain women (the chicks to whom jotm is referring I presume). To me, this is an indication of one who takes a less than serious view of the Bible (Articles VI and VII). Such a view is simply not acceptable in this day and age given the ever increasing attacks against Christians and on Christianity.
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| gregory | Posted: 2007/5/11 10:28 Updated: 2007/5/11 10:33 |
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DavidV, Thank You for another easier to read and understand article. "You da Man!" as my sons would say.
Guardian, Thank you for posting! i copied and pasted your post into a file of similar items... gregory=========== Further on the Judgement mention; Mt 7:1 (“Judge not, that you be not judged”; see also “Judge not, and you shall not be judged” – Lk 6:37) is a common excuse for ignoring another of Jesus' commands: “If your brother sins against you, rebuke him” (Lk 17:3). The context (Mt 7:1-5; Lk 6:37-42) of the “Judge not” quote makes clear that we are not to judge the salvation of others (that's between God and the other person), but the context (Lk 17:1-4) of the “rebuke him” quote makes clear that we must discern what is sinful in order to confront those who sin against us. This doesn't mean we should go around looking for others' sins to point out but, when we are confronted by sin, we have a responsibility to help others attain moral behavior – if we fail to do this, we are denying Christ. Christ gave His Apostles and, through them, today's priests, the power and authority to forgive sins, but they must discern sin in order to grant absolution. None of us like being told that we are wrong or admitting that we have sinned, but we must be aware of a sin before we can confess it and be forgiven. (by chaps) i must say again and again that we need to know and hear what Jesus Christ has to say. humbly, gregory |
| FrSam+ | Posted: 2007/5/11 11:30 Updated: 2007/5/11 11:30 |
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Frquixote,
Ah ha my dear man, you have NAILED IT!! I wondered if someone would pick up on it when I read it. This is a true concrete example of the difference between a bishop who is truly orthodox and one who is just not at home with the "gay thing." Though I respect many in the ACN they are generally not orthodox, and their top leader proves it every time he lays hands on a woman to "priest" her, and gives communion to openly, publically, unrepentant homosexuals who hate the commandments and judgements of scripture. It has nothing to do with "judging" someone, and everything to do with being faithful to the teachings of Holy Scripture. Being a "little revisionist" is like being a "little pregnant". Either you are or you are not. + Duncan, while conservative, is NOT orthdox, and there are plenty of pictures floating about of his "female ordinations" to prove it. Any priest that knowingly gives Holy Communion to one he knows is engaged in unrepenant homosexual activity or partnership is failing his duty as a priest and shepherd of souls. Of course this is another reason why these folks cannot tolerate the language and teachings of the 1928 Prayer Book. The 1979 "version" excludes such "uncomfortable" demands, which is another reason why many "orthodox" parishes that use it are not truly orthodox. |
| sentinel | Posted: 2007/5/11 13:09 Updated: 2007/5/11 13:09 |
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"+ Duncan, while conservative, is NOT orthdox"
I've got a friend who refers to this as being a "conservative liberal" Unfortunately, there are a large number "orthodox" in TEC that are really nothing more than "conservative liberals". This is why it makes me a little uneasy that there are those within the continuum who are either rushing to form partnerships with folks like this or throwing out dragnets hoping to fill their churches with such folks. So they are upset about a gay bishop - but that is one small area. What are their views on the inerrancy and infallibility of Scriture? The atonement? A number who have left seem to want nothing more than the pre-VGR Episcopal Church. They leave, set up shop and continue business as usual. Indeed, come out from among them but remember Lot's wife. |
| cjanning | Posted: 2007/5/11 16:04 Updated: 2007/5/11 16:04 |
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Once again we see the secular humanists rewriting the English language.
the killing of the unborn is "pro-choice" the abomination of sodomy is "gay" the acceptance of sin is "inclusive" the rejection of sin is "homophobia" the practice of euthanasia is "mercy" the support of law-breakers is "sanctuary" |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2007/5/11 20:42 Updated: 2007/5/11 22:51 |
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The inherently totalitarian nature of revisionist philosophy leads them to make up new language as a beard to hide the hideous ideas and behaviors they so love.
The inherently totalitarian nature of the revisionist rule leads them to attack their enemies on false witness, accuse their opponents of heinous behavior without proof, purge their enemies from the organization like Stalin purifying his party and steal real and personal property from those who own it. The inherently totalitarian nature of the revisionist persona expresses itself in bizarre displays of exhibitionistic public behaviors. TEC is reaping what it has sown. This narcissistic meltdown will go down in history as a warning to others. Too late for the TECies however - they will not change (“We can’t turn back now.”) as they are full scale committed to the sodomite agenda and have thrown the full weight of the totalitarian regime behind it. Kind of like a great leap forward, or, a jump out of an airplane without a parachute. Put another way: They cannot abandon their precious. They will follow it all the way to Mount Doom and throw themselves into the volcano to preserve it. |
| FatherR | Posted: 2007/5/11 23:16 Updated: 2007/5/11 23:16 |
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"Liberalism" is by far the most intolerant ideology in the world. They are tolerant only of their own opinion. This is true both theologically and politically. If you dare to disagree with them they will not only call you a bigot, they will do everything they can to get rid of you.
Just look at the number of orthodox clergy who have been diposed by "revisionista bishops." The orthodox position is by far the most loving and truthful, but not if you ask ECUSA bishops. Sad indeed. |
| Guardian | Posted: 2007/5/11 23:36 Updated: 2007/5/11 23:37 |
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FatherR,
How right you are. One of my favorite saying is: Liberals eat their own. Look what has happened to Don Imus. I often listened to him when I was driving and I can assure you he is as liberal as they come. I'm not defending his remarks, but wouldn't you think they would have given him a break? Like I said, liberals eat their young. Guardian ![]() |
| Centurion3 | Posted: 2007/5/12 5:35 Updated: 2007/5/12 16:06 |
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Using the language of the TEC conquerer, the occupier of churches, the destroyer of nations, enables TEC to perpetuate the invasion towards full conquest, to shape the paradigm of the future vision and to frame the discussion in the occupiers' terminology ... soley to their benefit and to our exclusion.
TEC's goal is to define the argument, to choose its terms and definitions in using language as the weapon of conquest and forward its inevitable rapine of the Anglican Faithful. Thus "Inclusion" does not mean "All are Welcome" as proffered by TEC, but has the deeper Griswoldian adjective meaning of "Homosexist Conquered and Occupied Territory" as applied to present day TEC Church-covens. Note how many of the Homosexist leadership elites of TEC are from university academia, reveling in their modernity and orgy of secular liberalism, the surety exhibited in millenium goals as their politically correct guise in this, the season of their fast. TEC knows how to close the new American mind, to convolute discussions into their politically correct terms to entrap public support for the stealth Homosexist displacement in capture of mainline Protestant denominations, the university square and governmental institutions. Understand, the TEC grand conspiracy to destroy the Great Commission and the Gospel is directed by the ancient Evil one and accomplished through the unholy service of the minions of the Great Mother and the Dark Lord. What we see occuring over the last 50 years in North America, is the quiet return of pagan religions masquerading as Christian churches. It is no accident the carrying of the "Horned Cross" in many TEC Cathedral processionals is preferred to the Cross of Christ. To deny the true existance of Evil with a capital "E" is to give victory to Lucifier's greatest lie. that there is no such thing as true Evil, only the small banality of evil with a lower case "e"... as in "error". The War in Heaven, the ages long War between Good and Evil, the War between Light and Dark on the chess board of this temporal plane is truly in play. Her TECness and the Episcopagan Priests and Priestesses hiss the sweetly whispered words of Evil's seduction, the honeyed banality of their "inclusion language" to shape their dark vision of the future for our children, for our world, and for all Christendom. Anglicans...the Battle calls! Muster the Host of Christ...Good Christian Soldiers All! Sharpen our language, our wits, define the cutting edges of victory's terminology in the words of our Fathers, using good, plain Christian words to speak against Evil. Hew and smite the Serpent of Inclusion. Sharpen all tongues into the swords of the right and win the day for St. George and the Anglican Communion! Haro! Haro! Amen! "Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host, That he which hath no stomach to this fight, Let him depart; his passport shall be made, And crowns for convoy put into his purse, We would not die in that man’s company That fears his fellowship to die with us. –Shakespeare, Henry V," Domine, Non Sum Dignus |
| Johnnh | Posted: 2007/5/12 12:20 Updated: 2007/5/13 20:25 |
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This kind of problem would be handled in the RC or Orthodox Churches by welcoming every person into the church as made in the image of God, but since individual confession of sin is the norm, and the church declares certain moral standards for all, a self-declared sinner who claims that he does not sin because he or she does not believe that a certain sin is in fact a sin, would be firmly denied Communion. If he or she were a known celebrity like Crew, such an individual would be sought out beforehand and warned not to approach the Sacrament until such time he could express sorrow and repent. Of course, and this is the major point, refusing Communion to an unrepentant or intransigent sinner is in no way a human arrogation of the Judgment of God, but precisely its sacramental expression by the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ is not merely the followers of Christ, but as Church, even considering human imperfections and sin, it is the very incarnation of God here on earth. That is a fundamental tenant of Catholic Orthodoxy, but not of Protestantism. Protestantism has painted itself into a corner in some ways because it puts too much distance between the spiritual God and Christ in heaven on the one hand, and depraved humanity and the error prone invisible Church on the other. Thus Protestant moral standards are subjected to the Bible alone. Sooner or later various conflicting interpretations of the scriptures rear their heads and cause huge problems. But in Protestantism there is no authority to settle issues of biblical interpretation. The Protestant Church, in such a circumstance, is left with no basis for authoritative moral judgment or teaching, because it is not considered to be the humble and serving yet authoritative Presence of God Incarnate on earth, but rather a gathering of fallable human beings who are incapable of mediating any divine authority or declaring any divine truth. Giving communion to a known intransigent sinner is to declare his sin not a sin. This clearly suggests acquiescence rather than forgiveness, as no sin has been confessed. Such spineless behavior by clergy is outright capitulation by the Church.
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| GardenSt | Posted: 2007/5/15 13:48 Updated: 2007/5/15 13:48 |
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Sept. 30th means nothing! TEC will not be put out of the Anglican Communion and everyone, TEC & Global South, will be at Lambeth 2008.
The only oddity will be that there is now a new North American Province. |
| chaps | Posted: 2007/5/16 0:45 Updated: 2007/5/16 0:45 |
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Johnnh wrote:
"Protestantism has painted itself into a corner in some ways because it puts too much distance between the spiritual God and Christ in heaven on the one hand, and depraved humanity and the error prone invisible Church on the other." Thank you for your fine post, Johnnh! This issue is at the heart of the current Anglican crisis and needs to be addressed by any successor Church. Otherwise, the same issue will reappear in a new form. Blessings, chaps |
| Leonard | Posted: 2007/5/16 10:21 Updated: 2007/5/16 10:21 |
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The fact Queen Lutibell was not denied communion, simply underscores the problems within the heretical ECUSA.
"What we got here.....is failure to excommunicate." |
| badcat | Posted: 2007/5/16 20:49 Updated: 2007/5/16 20:49 |
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Leonard- May we use that one?
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| FatherR | Posted: 2007/5/18 2:25 Updated: 2007/5/18 2:25 |
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This is the problem with ECUSA--no discipline. The real problems began WAAAY back in the 60's with Bishop James Pike of California. The House of Bishops refused to do anything about it then nor will they do anything today ala Bishop Spong.
The "Philadelphia 11" and the Bishops who illegally "ordained" them to the priesthood should have been disciplined but NOOOO! We just changed the canons at the next General Convention to allow women priests. The current crisis in ECUSA has been building for nearly forty years. And it will not be solved overnight. We need to pray for all Anglicans, both revisionist and orthodox. We need to pray that the orthodox Anglicans will hold firm to the faith and we need to pray that the revisionists will see the errors of their ways and return to the faith once delivered to the saints. |













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