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Exclusives : Who Are the Real Anglican Bullies?
Posted by David Virtue on 2007/4/29 6:20:00 (5829 reads)

WHO ARE THE REAL ANGLICAN BULLIES?

COMMENTARY

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
4/29/2007

Most children, at some point in their lives, are forced to face a schoolyard bully. It goes along with growing up. Somehow you learn to survive. The trouble comes when the tables are turned, and the bullies themselves get beaten up. When that happens, they run to their parents and cry foul.

This is precisely what is happening in The Episcopal Church (TEC), the Anglican Church of Canada and the Church of England today. Episcopal and Anglican Church leaders behave like bullies and cry foul over perceived interference from bishops outside North America. Then they beat up on African archbishops and bishops for being backward and for not buying into the Episcopal Church's new sexuality preferences.

Mrs. Katharine Jefferts Schori, the Episcopal Church's Presiding Bishop, is complaining mightily about the arrival next week of the most powerful African Anglican on the planet, The Rt. Rev. Peter Akinola, to lay hands on a number of Anglicans in Virginia, saying "it puts a strain on the fragile relations on the Anglican Communion." This is while the TEC has done more than any other Anglican jurisdiction to aggravate and violate the wishes of the greater Anglican Communion.

What we have is the classic combination of the ecclesiastical bully and the crybaby! It goes along the lines of "How dare you cross jurisdictional boundaries" (the bully) and "Why the hell can't you buy into anal sex?' (crybaby) because it really is filling up our churches. Not.

Rich North American Episcopalians, using dead men's money, have figured out that they can buy loyalty from 15 or so provinces by dropping money into African laps on that continent in the name of helping HIV/AIDS patients.

When African Anglican leaders tell them they won't take their money because it is tainted with sodomite acceptance - an acceptance that has eternally damning consequences -- the Americans cry foul and say how can you let women and children die over sex. It has not dawned on the enlightened ones at 815 2nd Ave., New York City, that it is precisely because of the misuse of sex that people have contracted HIV/AIDS in the first place!

So there you have it, the ecclesiastical bully and the whining crybaby. The "how dare you" with the "why can't we all have sex with whomever, it's so much fun" and God (whoever He or She is) really doesn't mind, because our gender neutral higher power wants us all to live fully unto ourselves, and be who we are, sexually fulfilling ourselves with whomever we happen to find ourselves with, while reaching for the communion wafer.

The Anglican Church of Canada has a first class bully. His name is Michael Ingham, Bishop of New Westminster, who has come by his award as Bully First Class for the way he has treated departing orthodox parishes. His carrot and stick approach (very big stick, very small carrot) with fleeing parishes has made him a legendary bully. Here are a few examples.

* He controls all diocesan synods to the point of ordering the microphones shut off if someone gets up to speak against him...

* His own people at synod have total control and get all the principal speaking time, bullying any and all who go against the bishop's agenda...

* He forces clergy who stand against him out of their churches, fires the duly elected lay officers, replaces both with his own people, and changes the locks on the doors... (This writer was in North Vancouver the day this actually took place.)

* He acts unilaterally in pressing his own agenda on the international Anglican Communion, without regard for the truth or well being of that communion...

Ingham also threatens people with his principal back-up, lawyer George Cadman, the diocesan chancellor. While Ingham has ingratiated himself with all the local and provincial political leaders the truth is, he has people cowed and afraid of him. His clergy are afraid to speak up on moral issues because they can be fired and have their pensions trashed. Said a source to VOL; "no real born again conservative Christian would be ordained by Ingham in the Diocese of New Westminster. If Ingham's so wonderful, why are most real Christian clergy fleeing the diocese?" Indeed.

The American Episcopal Church has several A1 bullies, foremost among them is John Shelby Spong. He has made it his lifetime work to pour scorn on, ridicule and denigrate evangelicals in TEC (he started out as one). He took particular delight and pleasure in using his considerable skills blasting African bishops at Lambeth 1998 for their backwardness on sexual matters. He has also taken major pot shots at Archbishop George Carey and most recently at the ailing John R. W. Stott, who has singled-handedly upheld the faith in England, indeed across the globe. If he had not done so, the Church of England would be an even bigger mess than it is already.

Another vile bully is the Bishop of Long Island, Orris Walker. He has made it his lifetime work to destroy the ministry of every Anglo-Catholic priest in his diocese. He has made their lives a living hell, yelling and screaming at them about what Prayer Book to use, while promoting a horrible, sexually warped priest who appeared naked in PENTHOUSE magazine under a banner headline, "The Boys from Brazil." He ripped up his Dean the same week the Dean lost his son to suicide. The handful of Evangelicals have quietly slunk away, still too afraid to talk to VOL about their experiences with this horrible bishop who may well be dying of AIDS.

The winner by far, is the Bully of Pennsylvania - Charles E. Bennison. In his ten-year career, this sociopathic bishop has cut a swathe across the diocese. He lied to the 'seven sisters' Anglo-Catholic priests about alternative oversight, then set about ripping them apart one by one till there was no one left standing (or preaching). The last to go was Fr. David Ousley who was thrown out of his parish; was inhibited and deposed; and, the doors to the parish were locked. Another priest, Fr. David Moyer is still standing. He is now under another jurisdiction and is fighting the bishop in the secular courts for justice and equity. Bennison has bullied evangelicals who remain cowed and stay as far under his radar screen as they possibly can. He has bullied his Black clergy into submission and is responsible for the death of one Black clergyman, according to the priest's wife, who is also a clergyperson. He has written a Visigoth rite to be used by any sexual combination that walks through the cathedral doors wanting to be married. He could not uphold certain basic doctrines of the faith when asked to do so by a priest, spent millions on failed diocesan programs, covered up his brother's sexual sin (the abuse of a 14-year old girl) and is so hated by the Standing Committee that they have filed presentment charges against him with the National Church. He has even lost the support of his liberal base, a dangerous thing to lose in times of spiritual battle, but still he insists on staying so he can go on bullying whoever stands in his way so he can accomplish absolutely nothing except the death of a diocese. He is even worse than his father, also Charles Bennison, the Bishop of Western Michigan who built a cathedral (read monument) to his enormous ego, a cathedral that is now being sold at half its original cost to erect - the legacy of an ecclesiastically and theologically worthless life and ministry.

Other bishops worthy of mention include Tom Shaw, Bishop of Massachusetts, John Howard, Bishop of Florida, and J. Jon Bruno, Bishop of Los Angeles. Bruno is a huge bully of a man who feels it is his bounden duty to blast anyone who dares to stand in the way of Mrs. Schori being recognized by the Anglican Communion. He has gone after the former Bishop of Texas, Ben Benitez, while at the same time legally trying to trash five parishes and their priests in his diocese, time and time again because they won't conform to his religion.

Every day orthodox Anglican priests get a little bit closer to the true life story of Meshack, Shadrach and Abednego, three courageous Hebrews who stood in the midst of the fiery furnace refusing to defend themselves., "O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter." (Dan 3:16) So it is with the Rev. Don Armstrong who faces a Kangaroo Court this week by his former Bishop Rob O'Neill. This court will undoubtedly find him guilty of cooking the books even though there has not been one single tangible piece of evidence that the evangelical rector has had his hand in the parish till. Armstrong will not attend this farcical court loaded as it is with O'Neill's yes men and women. He will not defend himself and he will emerge unscathed from the burning fire of O'Neill's wrath.

How many times has the Rt. Rev. Bob Duncan, Bishop of Pittsburgh, been trashed by V. Gene Robinson in House of Bishops meetings with the nodding approval of liberal and revisionist bishops? These bishops would love to see Duncan overwhelmed by the Rev. Harold Lewis, a revisionist priest in his diocese, and a group of so-called Progressive Episcopalians of Pittsburgh who would love to dump Bishop Duncan legally in the courts, if they could. It is bullying without end.

One of the most egregious cases of bullying took place in the Mid-West. The Bishop of Kansas, Dean E. Wolfe, pulled a Tony Soprano and put a gun to the head of the priest of Christ Church Overland Park and said that for 10 large a year for ten years (that's $1 million bucks) he could keep his parish property. The priest agreed.

When the same priest arranged for a transfer of jurisdictions, he got a Godly octogenarian Episcopal Bishop, William Cox, to perform the business. Suddenly, up jumped Wolfe and fellow Oklahoma Bishop Robert Moody (a man who allowed a wannabe deacon to have a sex-change operation). Together they tag-teamed the faithful old bishop and filed presentment charges against him. Undaunted, the 86-year bishop shifted his allegiance to the Province of the Southern Cone.

The bullying is not all focused exclusively in the U.S. and Canada, it has gone international.

When it was first announced that Dr. Rowan Williams would become the next Archbishop of Canterbury, the Church of England's homosexual community lauded the Bearded One as enlightened, progressive and a supporter of homosexuals. Around the world, orthodox Anglicans and Episcopalians went into quiet despair, hoping and praying that, as the leader of nearly 80 million Anglicans he would change his mind. They saw hope when Jeffrey John failed to get a bishopric and were hopeful that he would see how united African Anglicans were along with orthodox remnants in the U.S., Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

Then everything changed. When the primates met in Tanzania earlier this year and delivered a time line for liberals in the US to repent, Britain's homosexual community suddenly went ballistic. Led by the interminably pro-homosexual sycophantic religion writer for the Guardian newspaper, they hissed and snarled at Dr. Williams, saying he had betrayed them and worse. Many, including the Canadian Archbishop, called his leadership weak and inept. The ABC promptly announced he was taking a three-month sabbatical.

On the surface, the bullies are winning. They are trashing all before them, taking the spoils of war, which include properties, endowments and much more. The numbers are now running into the tens of millions of dollars. In the end they will lose, because they will never ever own the hearts and minds of faithful priests and laity who believe in Jesus and His gospel and not the progressive pansexual "inclusive" gospel of liberals and revisionists. Across the country they are walking out parish doors leaving behind the spoils to the victor, but the victories for these bishops are entirely pyrrhic. If there is no one to fill the pews, will the bishop be able to hang onto the properties? The answer is no, because across this great land of ours, parishes are being sold to clothing boutiques, x-rated porn shops, upstart independent evangelical congregations, etc.

One diocese (San Joaquin) has announced it will probably leave The Episcopal Church fostering the question, will there be more? Three bishops have fled the HOB, one to Rome, one to CANA and a third to the Southern Cone. Priests and parishes are fleeing like scattered sheep in all directions. CANA and AMiA are scooping them up like beached whales.

God is not mocked. The liberals and revisionists are reaping what they are sowing, and they are sowing to the whirlwind of God's wrath as churches empty and the money slowly dries up.

A Day of Reckoning is coming when judgment begins, and it will begin first with the household of God.

END

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Guardian
Posted: 2007/4/29 22:36  Updated: 2007/4/29 23:12
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David,

First of all, bravo for a superb post. What a rogues gallery you presented.

Several days ago, I did a post to another article. For those of you who read it, please pardon me for for posting a revised and expanded version of it here.

I'm sure a large number of VOL readers are familiar with C.S. Lewis' "The Screwtape Letters". My edition includes a second part entitled "Screwtape Proposes a Toast". The scene is a graduation banquet in Hell where all the devils are feasting on tortured souls. Screwtape says the following:

"Oh, to get one's teeth into a Farinata, a Henry VIII or even a Hitler! There was real crackling there; something to crunch; a rage, an egotism, a cruelty only just less robust than our own. It put up a delicious resistance to being devoured. It warmed your inwards when you'd got it down".

If Lewis was alive today perhaps he would change the first line to: "Oh, to get one's teeth into a Robinson, Bruno, Crew, Spong, or even a Bennison".

In the forward section of the book there are two quotes that describe what several of us who post frequently are trying to do.

"The best way to drive out the devil if he will not yield to texts of Scripture is to jeer and flout him, for he cannot bear scorn" - Martin Luther

"The devil..the prowde spirite..cannot endure to be mocked." - Sir Thomas More

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Posted: 2007/4/29 22:56  Updated: 2007/4/29 23:01
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Yes, a great post!

The irony of the situation is where African Anglicans console the real suffering of those persecuted in their countries in the name of the Faith once given, TEC’s homo- ecclesiastical bent disparages God’s Word by the pontification that, in the false name of sexually aggrieved suffering, homosexuality is not sin.

This nauseous and offensive position stated by Schori is done in the name of God, a lie from the pit of hell.

The irony is further propounded by the fact an African Bishop is coming here as an expression of peace and welcome in behalf of the Communion to the suffering of God’s true believers in the Episcopal Church – the loyal orthodox who honor His Word and abide by the true Anglican Faith and who are being crucified by the new theology of relativism that assumes the Scriptures are irrelevant.
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Posted: 2007/4/29 23:11  Updated: 2007/4/29 23:11
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Otis,
This may be relevent to this thread. I noticed that the former Bishop J.Spong on his pilgrimage to Colorado this week, talks about his theology as being the "Means to the divine"....I thought I have heard that phrase before a number of times and it was from the present lady who acts in the position of Presiding Bishop. So I realise where she gets her heresy from....another heretic.. wrong breeds wrong, life breeds life , truth breeds truth...make sure we all stick to it.
Blessings,
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You make a very good point and document it well, David. Thanks for your continued excellent journalism!

Blessings,

chaps
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It has all been said many times before. Constant regurgitation of what the Apostates are or are not doing makes for boring reading. We know them for what they are. They are not good news, only Trash. And we know them for what they do. They are not Christian.

I argue that we need to turn our considerable energies and focus on whats ahead and whats to be done without these bastards in our tent. And the challenge is huge. But it is God's challenge to us. So lets get on with it. Lets not wast more time and energy on talking about what these bastards are or are not doing.

( I am surprised how close the Welsh Language is when I use the term bastards. Stand by for Cennydds correction)

This morning my wife and I attended our Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod. Very orthodox. Joy oh joy. The number of ex Episcopalians in the congregation has climbed to 8. So let me see. When my wife and I walked out, the Episcopal Church had a Sunday attendance of approximately 40 souls, depending who was doing the counting-an orthadox or revisionist member. Today, the Sunday attendance is down to 20. But is this the number that is reported to the diocese? Not a fat chance. The list of members on the phone list, for example, includes those who are dead, those who have moved out, those who have become unchurched and those such as my wife and I who have stayed with Christ and moved over to the local Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod . Nevertheless, 18 monthe after leaving the Episcopal Church, my wife and I are still on the mailing list. Go figure, No. Don't waste any more energies on these horrible people. (here I fall back into the true Welsh language).
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Fabulous post...I salute David Virtue for calling out the real bullies. May God have mercy on them.

"But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed." 2 Peter 2:1,2
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Dr, Virtue's bottom line is indeed THE bottom line. They, like we, will someday stand in front of our maker Who 'will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.
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Actually, I think Lewis' point was quite the opposite; that the model sinner for today was a small man, not a giant. These are cheap and petty hoods compares to monsters like Hitler.

I don't have Screwtape here, so I can't quote Lewis word for word, but I feel sure that he would agree with you these are villains, likely destined for condemnation and the Devil's banquet table, but would disagree with their scope.

These are Eliot's "stuffed men", shells of people without much real backbone once you get past their outer defenses.

Do you recall what a weakling Noriega seemed in court? Or how much less threatening Hussein was when they pulled him out of his foxhole? I am wondering what the picture of bennison will look like in the news when he is convicted of fraud, holding a placard of numbers up before his chest.
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These revisionists are behaving like a group of commisars and warped ideologues from Stalinist Russia. However, unlike their Stalinist counterparts, they don't have absolute power and unlimited funds. More important, their constituents have the constitutional right to leave. They can threaten and scream all they want. Slowly but surely TEC is going the way of the Shakers.
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John123, I had to chuckle at your use of the word "bastard," and I'm still chuckling....heh. heh! The word's the same in English and Welsh (Cymraeg), but there's also this: "plentyn gordderch." Let 'em try to figure that one out!

I agree with your comments, and yes, we shouldn't waste our efforts on "these horrible people."

Cennydd
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The more basic problem is with the system. The majority of Episcoplains are well educated and politically liberal. They are quick with a firm handshake, a chuck on the shoulder, and a dirty, sexist, or racist joke. They are tolerant of other views and opinions and hate confrontation.

So, they elect rectors who are much like themselves, "Hail fellows, well met." Then they all get together and elect a new bishop who is one of their own. Then we are surprised that the new bishop is not a man of deep conviction and courage.

They fail to understand that they have put someone in office that they cannot remove, who will then be playing to the audience of the HOB and the PB. Many bishops will do anything to get noticed and promoted to some important office in the national church.

In my opinion Episcopalians have gotten what they wanted, voted for, and now richly deserve. Why should the Primates of the Global South want to do anything on our behalf when we are the ones who elected these devils to be our shepherds?

My advice is for everyone who believes in the faith once delivered to the saints to get out of TEC ASAP. I got out in 2001 and am glad of it.


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Imagine a strong noble creature in a cage being ceaslessly tormented by some horrible cretin, the coward only emboldened by knowing there is a stout bolt (our christian ethic) keeping the gate shut. Imagine the same cretin while jabbing with a stick demanding more tolerance from whom he insults and torments and that we are an inferior species without the cretin's learning and wisdom. "We did all of this and still our brains aren't streaming from our ears, so let's keep right on jabbing. The stupid creature is perfectly harmless".

All that restrains us is our obedience to the faith. It is the classical irony that our strength and faith is what enables the attack, emboldening it. The real truth is that the only reason the aformentioned individuals are still walking on earth is because our Christianity and tolerance prevents us from smashing them to pieces. God has forbidden us to do so.


However, any method we choose to fight them, short of disobediance or imperiling our souls is just. Why not simply shake the dust from our sandals and continue on, permitting them to heap burning coals upon themselves, while affixing millstones 'round their scrawny necks.
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Esniii,

Touche my friend. I enjoyed your well reasoned rebuttal. Your mention of T.S. Eliot triggered another thought. Perhaps TEc's demise will be more like the final two lines from his poem "The Hollow Men".

"This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper."

I'm also reminded of a passage from Macbeth.

"Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

Change life to TEc, and you have pretty good description of their bankrupt theology and a large number of their bishops.


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Quoth Virtue:

Quote:
It has not dawned on the enlightened ones at 815 2nd Ave., New York City, that it is precisely because of the misuse of sex that people have contracted HIV/AIDS in the first place!


Amen and amen and amen!
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A postscript to my last post: "Plentyn gordderch" translates to "Retarded concubine."

Fitting, perhaps?

Cennydd
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I have thought this many times. "What kind of world" I ask them, "do you think you'll have should you succeed in discrediting Christianity?"

Continuing the thought, "My ancestors were Northern European, Germanic Barbarians who survived Ice Ages, Roman Legions, and the Golden Horde -- not to mention each other! Why do you believe, absent the moral restraints imposed by Christianity, I would allow one as annoying as you to live more than the time it takes to kill you?"

Usually, there is no answer, only an ashen complexion.

"Be careful what you ask, for you may get it."
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JotM,

You are posing the impossible dilemma for a liberal - provide an alternative plan. Liberals love to whine and pout about what others have created or implemented, poke holes in it, disparage it, denigrate the proposer or creator as a "cretin" or, worse, "neo-con" (because the other person does not think in the same enlightened manner as they) but they seldom if ever have a plausible or realistic plan to offer as a substitute.

Suppose that they succeeed in destroying western morality and values? What do they propose in its place? MDG? Great. Those are ends. What are the means? How does one create the process to achieve sustainable good under the liberal direction? You can only "feel good" for so long. As you suggest, Joe, absent the moral constraints imposed by Christianity......

The Word of God is eternal. Clown masses are only amusing for so long. There are only a limited number of oil for food schemes to sustain the UN.
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JotM

Your question is the best I've ever read. Hope you don't mind me stealing it.

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Great post! So much for 815's "inclusiveness." They are inclusive so long as you are advocating the lastest liberal nonsense. If you are an advocate of traditional Christianity there is no place for you in ECUSA!!! As one of the posters said TEC is going the way of the Shakers. How true. Within the next five years it is my prediction that of the six ECUSA churches in my area at least 4 will be closed! They have no more than 15 to 20 people on Sunday mornings. How sad.
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Within the next five years it is my prediction that of the six ECUSA churches in my area at least 4 will be closed! They have no more than 15 to 20 people on Sunday mornings.


"Bah!" says TEC's so-called bishops. "Who needs communicants when we've got endowments?"
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"It has not dawned on the enlightened ones at 815 2nd Ave., New York City, that it is precisely because of the misuse of sex that people have contracted HIV/AIDS in the first place!"

How true David...I have been teaching this very same thing for years.Anybody with logic knows this..if you are celebate before marriage and monogamous in marriage, there is no HIV/AIDS, STD etc.etc, (unless somebody else sins by giving you blood).Or the sins of the father visiting the children. Of course this is why the Word of God teaches about sex with His blessing. How blessed to know that true sex is blessed by our heavenly Father. This has always been my point in preparing people for marriage, teaching young adults etc, they they might grow with a secure basis to their sexuality which gives blessing, not curses.
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read about another liberal plot to foil the orthdodox at
http://www.nctexasbirds.com/images/hot_news.jpg
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Please do, Guardian! My work as a counter-agitation propagandist is for naught if it is never used.

I would be honored.

I ask only that you report back to me with your results so that I may continue to perfect my rhetoric to those lost souls out there in La La Land!
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 Re: WHO ARE THE REAL ANGLICAN BULLIES?
There is an essay making the rounds on the death of Sweden, which implemented a political agenda much the same as TEc pushes.

The Mohammedans that rape and outbreed the native Swedes don't seem to have read the same book as our Socialist friends in Scandinavia.

They look only to their own interests... not scanian interests.

Lesson learned? KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY. GOD CREATED MAN, BUT SAM COLT MADE HIM EQUAL.
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Posted: 2007/5/1 23:44  Updated: 2007/5/1 23:45
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Back in the 1980s, before HIV became the only single-celled organism to achieve Federal Civil Rights, there was a joke we learned in high school:

"What's the difference between Love and Herpes?"

"Herpes lasts forever, hardyharhar!"

It was thought the risk of catching herpes, a nusance more than anything else, was sufficient excuse for girls to say "No!" in the wake of the Baby Boomers' "free love" social morals.

It worked -- too well, let this reformed frat boy tell you -- until homosexuals succeeded in investing the sex act with sanctity, a la "The Sacrament of the Holy Orgasm" as TEc thinks of it.

During the 1990s, (by which time I was back as a grad student), sex was so commonly meted out among undergrads that it became boring. Just like any other intoxicant, the law of diminishing returns kicked in.

This is essentially where we are today, in need of ever more bizarre "kicks" because the old ones have lost their charms.

I think that also explains why many young people, not the majority but a number of them, are returning to traditional concepts of marriage and family.

Praise God for the silver lining in the Sexual Revolution!
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Posted: 2007/5/2 0:38  Updated: 2007/5/2 0:38
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JotM

Thank you. I just thought about a sign I had hanging in my office once-upon-a-time. I've been in sales for over thirty years and it helped keep my sanity on a number of occasions.

"You cannot teach a pig to sing. It waste your time and annoys the pig."

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Posted: 2007/5/2 12:34  Updated: 2007/5/2 12:34
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 Re: WHO ARE THE REAL ANGLICAN BULLIES?
Poster: oregonb Posted: 2007/5/1 19:31:53

read about another liberal plot to foil the orthdodox at
http://www.nctexasbirds.com/images/hot_news.jpg

oregonb, What say you about the "WHO ARE THE REAL ANGLICAN BULLIES?"

Your post is off topic and does not make sense.
Global warming ?? and orthodox ?? What does that have to do with your relationship with Christ?
Seems you are not in the same "world" as Christians.
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Posted: 2007/5/2 15:34  Updated: 2007/5/2 20:17
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Posted: 2007/5/2 17:48  Updated: 2007/5/2 17:48
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JOTM,

And here I thought it was Smith & Wesson who were the great equalizers?

The Middle East Natives in the Rosengaard section of Malmoe, Sweden have been rioting for the past month. The Police are afraid of moving in and corraling the Muslim miscreants.

So, in a way, Islam is the de facto *political movement* that sets the tone for how Swedes are to go about their business.

SR
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Posted: 2007/5/2 17:56  Updated: 2007/5/2 17:56
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*The Sacrament of Holy Orgasm*...

Now I HAVE heard of everything... >


Lord have mercy on the innocent souls who suffer because of the actions of a few malignant bullies.


SR
FatherSam
Posted: 2007/5/2 22:46  Updated: 2007/5/2 22:46
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 Re: Who Are the Real Anglican Bullies?
Just wondering if Father David should be careful with some of his words with so many lawsuits going around?

Calling +Bennison a "sociopathic" bishop and a "liar" may trigger some legal action.

I'm new here and perhaps am not used to the tone of the author's commentary.
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Posted: 2007/5/3 2:03  Updated: 2007/5/3 2:03
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FatherSam wrote:
“Calling +Bennison a 'sociopathic' bishop and a 'liar' may trigger some legal action.”

Although the Wrong Reverend Bennison is litigious, I don't think David has much to worry about. Speaking or writing negatively – even extremely negatively – about someone is not necessarily slander because the truth is an affirmative defense. “Sociopathic” is a matter of opinion based on how one's behavior matches clinical criteria and Bennison's behavior seems to be a close fit. “Liar” is also a matter of opinion based on how one's statements relate to the truth and, again, Bennison's behavior seems to be a close fit.

Christ is risen!

chaps
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Posted: 2007/5/3 2:26  Updated: 2007/5/3 2:26
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FatherSam,

Just wanted to say welcome aboard. I think you'll find the conversation lively to say the least.

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Dominic
Posted: 2007/5/3 11:15  Updated: 2007/5/3 11:15
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Just wanted to post support from the UK against these bullies. The 'Free Church of England' has been split asunder by the bullies who have acted much as Michael Ingham has done. Not over sexuality and liberalism mind you, but over totally indiscriminate ecumenism (though that'll end up in the same ship eventually).

We in the Evangelical Connexion know the score, have taken the attacks, and sympathise with those of you currently suffering at the hands of these people.
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Posted: 2007/5/3 12:55  Updated: 2007/5/3 12:55
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Posted: 2007/5/5 13:23  Updated: 2007/5/5 13:23
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