Archbishop Henry Orombi of Uganda on the Primates Meeting
(Anglican Church of Uganda)
THANK YOU
First, I want to thank all the members of the Church of Uganda and others who were praying so fervently during this meeting of the Primates of the Anglican Communion. It was the most intense meeting I have ever attended. Even until the last night of our meeting, we were in a deadlock. But, the Lord has prevailed. Biblical authority is being restored, and from that, we are hopeful that Biblical mission will be the result. Thank you for upholding me and all of the Primates in your prayers.
ACTIONS TOWARD TEC
In 2003, the Episcopal Church USA, now abbreviated as TEC (T – E – C), culminated years of their theological revision by consecrating as Bishop a divorced man living in a same-sex relationship. This was a blatant action in violation of Scripture and the historic teaching of the Church.
As the Primates wrote at the end of an emergency meeting in October 2003, this action has torn the fabric of the Anglican Communion at its deepest level. In fact, the Church of Uganda, along with 21 other Provinces of the 38 Provinces in the Anglican Communion, broke communion with TEC. Accordingly, I have not received Holy Communion at any Primates meeting since then – I did not receive Holy Communion in 2005 in Dromantine, Northern Ireland, and the two times we celebrated Holy Communion at this meeting in Tanzania, I did not receive Holy Communion.
Scripture teaches that before coming to sit with one another at the Lord’s Table we must be reconciled. (Matthew 5:23-26 and 1 Corinthians 11:27-29). I, along with several other of my brother Primates, were unable to come to the Holy Table with the Presiding Bishop of The Episcopal Church because to do so would be a violation of Scriptural teaching and the traditional Anglican understanding of Holy Communion. The Prayer Book invitation to Holy Communion makes this very clear. It says, “Ye that do truly and earnestly repent you of your sins, and are in love and charity with your neighbours, and intend to lead a new life, following the commandments of God, and walking from henceforth in his holy ways; Draw near with faith.” (Book of Common Prayer)
The Primates Communiqué from our last meeting in 2005 in Dromatine, Northern Ireland, put in place several recommendations in order for trust to be restored within the Communion, which TEC was supposed to address at its General Convention in June of 2006. While TEC may have done the best they could at the time, it was not good enough. We need reassurance that they are really serious. So, we have asked for two simple things before 30th September.
1. The House of Bishops of TEC needs to make an unequivocal common covenant that the bishops will not authorise any Rite of Blessing for same-sex unions in their dioceses or through General Convention
2. The House of Bishops of TEC needs to make a statement that all its members will definitely NOT consent to the consecration of any person as a Bishop who is living in a same-sex union
If they do not give these assurances, it will have “consequences for the full participation of [their] Church in the life of the [Anglican] Communion.” TEC’s Presiding Bishop, Katharine Jefferts Schori, signed this Communiqué. We pray that she will take it more seriously than her predecessor did when he signed our Communiqués but proceeded to denounce and violate them.
The Church of Uganda remains in broken communion with TEC until they demonstrate true repentance. We continue to reject funds from official TEC sources and from American dioceses who have revised historic and Biblical faith and morality.
Once again, I take this opportunity to urge our Church to embrace this season as a God-given opportunity to vigorously pursue self-sustainability for our Church. We are a strong, healthy, and vibrant Church. We have tremendous assets – natural and human resources. I urge us to pray and work for the release of our God-given creativity to harness these resources not only for the self-sustainability of God’s Church here in Uganda, but for it to thrive and even support the mission of God’s Church in our neighbouring countries. God has blessed us in Uganda. And, when God blesses, we have a spiritual obligation to be a blessing to others.
OUR PARTNERS
Since the dramatic and unbiblical decision of TEC in 2003, a number of congregations in America have appealed to the Church of Uganda to provide a safe place of refuge for them. Ten of our Bishops are now providing ecclesiastical oversight to more than 20 congregations in America. I want to assure our Bishops here and our congregations in America that we stand with you. You are safe and secure in the Church of Uganda. We will not abandon you or repatriate you until there is truly a safe and Biblically faithful ecclesial entity in America. That has been our promise, and we stand by it.
We continue in full fellowship and Communion with the members of the Anglican Communion Network, the Anglican Mission in the Americas (a mission initiative of the Church of Rwanda), the Convocation of Anglicans in North America (a mission initiative of the Church of Nigeria), and on an individual basis with those Bishops and Dioceses who have explicitly put policies in place that prohibit the blessing of same-sex unions and the consecration of bishops in same-sex relationships, according to the Windsor Report.
THE ANGLICAN COMMUNION
I want to thank my brother Primates from Africa who have elected me to represent them on the Primates Standing Committee; it is an honour and a huge responsibility. We are comprised of five Primates from the five main regions of the world in which the Anglican Communion is present, and chaired by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
This Primates meeting has not solved the current crisis in the Anglican Communion. We hope we have clarified the steps needed for trust to be restored, healing to take place, and for our full bonds of affection to once again flourish.
Anglicanism has always stood for a Biblical faith grounded in Holy Scripture as its primary source of authority. In the 16th century, British church leaders were martyred for this faith. In Uganda, our children were martyred at the hands of Kabaka Mwanga. Our former Archbishop, Janani Luwum, who we honoured last Friday, stood up for the Gospel in the face of unbiblical tyranny.
Not only will I honour the memory of these Anglican ancestors on the Primates Standing Committee; not only will I represent Africa, but my greater responsibility will be our Lord Jesus Christ, who “was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.” (Romans 4.25).
I want to take this opportunity to highlight, once again, the appointment of one of our own to be the Anglican Observer to the United Nations. Hellen Wangusa, a former member of our Provincial Staff, was installed on Sunday during a service we held in Zanzibar. Hellen represents Uganda and all of us in the Global South who seek to see the fulfillment of the UN’s Millennium Development Goals for our people, so many of whom are suffering the ravages of extreme poverty, preventable diseases, and lack of access to education. Together with our grassroots efforts and Hellen’s work at a governmental and policy level, we pray for God’s Kingdom to come and His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven.
It is not enough, however, to “make poverty history.” We must also “make greed history.” That is why it is not enough to substitute support for the Millennium Development Goals for the fullness of the Biblical understanding of God’s mission in the world. Evangelism, repentance, a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and Biblical discipleship are as much a key to the fulfillment of the Millennium Development Goals as all the programmes and strategies we will put in place. And we have and will continue to put them in place. But, the whole counsel of God in Scripture must be proclaimed and embraced as the only way to the full and abundant life that Jesus promises.
CONCLUSION
I want to restate what the Church of Uganda stands for:
1. The Church of Uganda upholds the biblical teaching on sexuality, namely that sexual intimacy is reserved for a husband and wife in lifelong, heterosexual, monogamous marriage. For us in Uganda, this is a matter of life and death. For our own good, the Bible teaches abstinence before marriage, and faithfulness in marriage. And, marriage is defined as between one man and one woman.
2. Therefore, the Church of Uganda also supports the 1998 Lambeth Resolution, which states that “homosexual practice is incompatible with Scripture.”
3. At the same time the Church of Uganda is committed to providing pastoral care for those struggling with sexual temptation, for example, homosexual urges, heterosexual pornography, pre-marital sex, and post-marital adultery. There is no sin too big for God. Sadly, many of our girls have also been defiled and sinned against, and they grow up with confusion about Godly sexuality. The gospel of Jesus Christ offers the only way to a transformed life, including a transformed sexuality. The gospel of Jesus Christ is about transformation, not inclusion. Jesus told the woman caught in adultery, “Go and sin no more,” not, “Go and sin some more.” For the North American chu rch, pastoral care means providing services for the blessing of same-sex unions. We do not mean that. For us in Uganda, pastoral care means leading people into the fully transformed life that Jesus promises to those who call upon His name. We welcome all those struggling with sexual temptation, and those suffering from sexual violation, to find healing and deliverance through Jesus Christ.
4. I call upon our government leaders to uphold marriage between one man and one woman, and the family they produce, as a foundational building block for our society and our country. This part of our African culture is affirmed in the Bible and we must not let Western influence pressure us into abandoning this part of our heritage.
In my Charge at my Enthronement, I said, “I desire to see the Church rise and shine. Isaiah 60:1 says, “Arise, shine for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.” Three years later, that is still my desire. I have a lot of hope for the Church in Uganda, and, if our recommendations are taken seriously, I have hope that the Anglican Communion can be put back on its Biblical foundations, for that is the only place where it can flourish.
–The Most Rev. Henry Luke Orombi
ARCHBISHOP OF CHURCH OF UGANDA.
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| db4him | Posted: 2007/2/21 16:06 Updated: 2007/2/21 16:06 |
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The Primates Communiqué from our last meeting in 2005 in Dromatine, Northern Ireland, put in place several recommendations in order for trust to be restored within the Communion, which TEC was supposed to address at its General Convention in June of 2006. While TEC may have done the best they could at the time, it was not good enough. We need reassurance that they are really serious. So, we have asked for two simple things before 30th September.
1. The House of Bishops of TEC needs to make an unequivocal common covenant that the bishops will not authorise any Rite of Blessing for same-sex unions in their dioceses or through General Convention 2. The House of Bishops of TEC needs to make a statement that all its members will definitely NOT consent to the consecration of any person as a Bishop who is living in a same-sex union Since the chances of these two things happening are nil and none, I hope the next seven months are spent planning accordingly. A.B. Orombi is a marvelous Christian Brother who has to know the separation of genuine believers and those who would practise apostacy is just a matter of time. Unfortunately, it's also a matter of souls... those that are lost while the Communion finds its way. I pray September will bring the cleansing that is so needed. How much longer can we wait? |
| Chris2 | Posted: 2007/2/21 16:18 Updated: 2007/2/21 16:20 |
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"The gospel of Jesus Christ is about transformation, not inclusion."
Amen to that. |
| DnNeal | Posted: 2007/2/21 16:20 Updated: 2007/2/21 16:26 |
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1. The House of Bishops of TEC needs to make an unequivocal common covenant that the bishops will not authorise any Rite of Blessing for same-sex unions in their dioceses or through General Convention Quote: 2. The House of Bishops of TEC needs to make a statement that all its members will definitely NOT consent to the consecration of any person as a Bishop who is living in a same-sex union Giving these assurances is perceived as the first step to restoring Biblical authority to TEC. The core doctrines of the Trinity, the Incarnation, bodily Resurrection, uniqueness of Christ, etc. will, I assume, be next on the agenda should TEC actually acquiesce. Who believes that will happen? Still a process has been established and perhaps there is hope in that. But will the faithful be willing to wait for this to play out? And... Will the traditionalist Bishops be willing to truly remain out of communion with TEC until they decide, like the 7 in Tanzania, or will they continue to play like there is real communion between them? And what about those revisionists in Canada and England and elsewhere? Do the same conditions apply to them? Who is willing to be out of communion with them? There are too many camels with their humps under this tent. And too many Bishops who have grown accustomed to their being there. Neal |
| Chris2 | Posted: 2007/2/21 16:22 Updated: 2007/2/21 16:22 |
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It is time for Alexandria.
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| daveball | Posted: 2007/2/21 16:42 Updated: 2007/2/21 16:43 |
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Not blessing same sex relationships and not consenting to the consecration of GLBT going forward is only part of the issue. What about getting rid of those that exist now, beginning with VGR? All the above means nothing without this move.
None of the good ++Orombi's remarks begin to address the other long list of TEC's heresies. Where do we address those abominations? He speaks of a safe eccesiastical entity in the US. I really hope no one thinks the proposed "Primatial Oversight" fills that bill. Sorry. More talk. No action. Blessings |
| Isaac | Posted: 2007/2/21 16:45 Updated: 2007/2/21 16:45 |
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"So, we have asked for two simple things before 30th September.
1. The House of Bishops of TEC needs to make an unequivocal common covenant that the bishops will not authorise any Rite of Blessing for same-sex unions in their dioceses or through General Convention 2. The House of Bishops of TEC needs to make a statement that all its members will definitely NOT consent to the consecration of any person as a Bishop who is living in a same-sex union If they do not give these assurances, it will have “consequences for the full participation of [their] Church in the life of the [Anglican] Communion.” TEC’s Presiding Bishop, Katharine Jefferts Schori, signed this Communiqué. We pray that she will take it more seriously than her predecessor did when he signed our Communiqués but proceeded to denounce and violate them." BINGO! I |
| DnNeal | Posted: 2007/2/21 16:58 Updated: 2007/2/21 16:58 |
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a season of fasting - from authorizing rites for blessing same-sex unions and consecrating bishops in such unions It's clear she has no intention of fasting from TEC revisionism now or ever. She only hopes that with more listening we'll all be "converted". Does this qualify for a Lenten fast? Hmmm, so I'll simply stop satisfying all my sinful desires for a "season". That should just about do it. Neal |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2007/2/21 17:20 Updated: 2007/2/21 17:20 |
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DnNeal,
Praise the Lord for your powerful witness. KJS has no authority to speak about fasting aka *abstaining* from *authorizing rites* for *blessing*??????? same-sex unions and *consecrating*??????? bishops in such unions. Her witness is a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Her professional *abstinence* from said rites will not help her in coming to terms with her blasphemy. Humbly, Tikhon |
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| DavidJacks | Posted: 2007/2/21 18:16 Updated: 2007/2/21 18:19 |
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They (the African bishops) don't like homosexuals; big deal. Is that all there is?
What about the fact that Ms. S should not even be a priestess in the first place? What about her preachings relative to other religions? (Christianity is no better, she says, in essence, than any other way to God.) Even if TEC were to get rid of Robinson it would still be unChristian! Why are people forgetting that? Has everyone forgotten that Lutheran ministers are now on equal footing with TEC priests in TEC churches? Where does that leave the core Anglican doctrine of Apostolic Succession? Has only one poster besides me noticed that this bunch plans to re-interpret the Holy Bible? Has anyone studied this new "prayer book" TEC has? Apparently some TEC parishes don't even use that, horrible as it is, for their services. Has everyone forgotten the pull of orthodox secular humanistic orthodoxy and newspeak on TEC and then, presumeably, on the rest of the Anglican Communion? What's next, "Our Father or Mother who art in Heaven ..." (Has anyone else ever seen one of these heretical crucifixes with a woman crucified? What is happening here?) Is the pull of a fancy, expensive church building or some other expensive facility which might disappear because TEC will take it away from a dissenting congregation so strong that good Christian men and women are afraid to leave? Is that putting the emphasis in the right place? Why do Christian men and women continue to associate themselves with the Church of Secular Humanism Do Gooders? Why is there no emphasis on God's Word coming out of these communiques? I am truly baffled about this. I can't understand why every single Christian man or woman who posts on this site does not just simply say to TEC, "goodbye". If TEC falls apart, Good Riddance! Next question; what's left of the core of this Anglican Communion we all hear so much about. Homosexuality? Is that all there is? Based on the attitudes I read non TEC Anglican Communion bishops express it seems the whole enterprise is fatally flawed. If all it can find to worry about is the issue of homosexuals taking over and it ignores all the rest of the problems and heresies, it isn't really any more worthwhile than TEC. The tiny remnant of Anglicanism still does exist though, at least here in the US and it has no connection whatsoever with this Global Anglican Communion outfit. David Jackson |
| lionheart | Posted: 2007/2/21 18:42 Updated: 2007/2/21 18:45 |
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"If they do not give these assurances, it will have “consequences for the full participation of [their] Church in the life of the [Anglican] Communion.” TEC’s Presiding Bishop, Katharine Jefferts Schori, signed this Communiqué. We pray that she will take it more seriously than her predecessor did when he signed our Communiqués but proceeded to denounce and violate them."
What would possess ++Orombi to think that TEC or Schori might take it more seriously? Seriously, all they did was agree to delay. It was an act of cowardice. What they should have said is that since TEC has shown no propensity to repentance, not only is communion broken but a gauntlet is laid down. Either you're in communion with those primates who have excommunicated TEC or you're with TEC. That would have been courage, however many went with the "orthodox". lh |
| ejsteele | Posted: 2007/2/21 19:57 Updated: 2007/2/21 19:59 |
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David,
You will find many on this site who left TEC long ago, and some of us in the continuing churches aren't even in communion with Canterbury any longer, for many of the reasons you mention. However we still find much good in Anglicanism, as it is understood in the Book of Common Prayer and the 39 Articles; we still hold to the primacy (and authority) of Scripture and the faith as professed in the historic creeds. I have heard others on these threads declare the death of Anglicanism, but I say that true Anglicanism is far from dead. However those of us who still uphold it must stand strong, and not allow others to corrupt it any longer. +Ed |
| ejsteele | Posted: 2007/2/21 20:00 Updated: 2007/2/21 20:00 |
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Lionheart,
I agree. Many of these "reports" have been sounding the same ever since 2003. +Ed |
| CalAggie | Posted: 2007/2/21 21:05 Updated: 2007/2/21 21:05 |
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Interesting, hopeful, but its missing teeth.
ACN has to leave TEC, and cause an implosion. Whereby the Primates are forced with no way out, to deal with the situation and this whole mess once more. No more kicking the can around... |
| MicroCar | Posted: 2007/2/21 21:19 Updated: 2007/2/22 3:10 |
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Sorry ++Henry, not good enough.
I've had the pleasure of meeting Archbishop Henry Orombi of Uganda, as well as Archbishop Kolini of Rwanda, ++Archbishop Yong Ping Chung of the Far East and of course Archbishop Akinola of Nigeria. You will not meet finer Christian men. But so what. What would the Apostles have done about the situation last weekend? Or two years ago. five years ago , ten, twenty, fifty even? Of course; instant ex communication! You either line up under the teachings of the Lord Jesus as given through His Holy Apostles or you don't and you don't continue an association with those who deviate. Hense the "deviates" are enabled and empowered WHEN YOU DO!. So I can not be in communion with any member of the world wide Anglican Communion therefore. Not my rules I'm afraid. Sorry Micro+ |
| Anglican06 | Posted: 2007/2/21 21:30 Updated: 2007/2/21 21:30 |
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Exactly, Microcar. The Africans have disappointed us all. All of the rhetoric worked. We were lulled into thinking they were the Apostolic Reformers of the 21st Century. Well, think again.
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| DavidJacks | Posted: 2007/2/21 23:36 Updated: 2007/2/21 23:36 |
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Dear + Ed;
I left TEC in about 1992 or so; I don't know if that qualifies as a long time ago or not but I don't feel I have left Anglicanism as it should be, behind. I guess I did not do a very good job with my last post. I am in APCK now and regard it, and one or two others of its ilk, as the last remnant of true Anglicanism. What this worldwide "Anglican Communion" is, is something else. That is the point I was trying to make. Regards; David J. |
| ZachD | Posted: 2007/2/21 23:37 Updated: 2007/2/21 23:40 |
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Re-posted . . . from the comments in the 'Primate of Canada' thread.
This runs contrary to the last three posts: ______________________________________________ It will be in the way that weasels conduct themselves, both above and below the 49th parallel, that will determine the measure of discipline and cohesiveness that will keep this 'family' together. Collectively, we have tolerated heresy for decades, and none of us is exempt from the part we played in this long sad joke of a communion. Some, like the Primates of the USA and Canada, have had a greater hand in destroying what has been handed down to us from the apostles and the martyrs. A leader in a national coalition promoting biblical authority, told me today that the latest Primate's Communique contains all of the things necessary to restore order within our global communion. "It is plainly stated." I countered that Lambeth 1:10 was 'plainly stated' as well, as was the Primates Communique out of Dromantine. This is not done with yet, quite obviously. I am resolute in my opinion that any future Anglican Covenant that is drawn up with a consortium of Jackals amid the faithful, will not be worth the paper it is printed on. Deal with error first, fools, before you go seeking after solutions. I also have blogged (long time past) that those who have permitted blatant error and percolated schism, have not the moral authority to draft such a document. Yet, this is where we find ourselves today. Lord, have mercy. |
| David_Fine | Posted: 2007/2/22 0:56 Updated: 2007/2/22 0:56 |
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Archbishop Orombi says the Primates ruled that:
1. The House of Bishops of TEC needs to make an unequivocal common covenant that the bishops will not authorise any Rite of Blessing for same-sex unions in their dioceses or through General Convention I assume that Bishops will continue to allow their Priests to preside at same-sex 'marriages'. They will argue to the Primates that they have not authorized any Rite - and interpret that to mean that they have not authorized any specific official liturgy for same-sex 'marriages'. They will argue that they have met the requirement from the Primates. But they will not stop their clergy from presiding at same-sex unions. They will simply assert that they have not authorized any official rite. I hope the Primates have a better shared understanding of what they intended. And I hope they will see through the falseness of claims to have met the requirement. |
| Avanmar | Posted: 2007/2/22 1:24 Updated: 2007/2/22 1:24 |
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If you fast, fast in the name of Jesus Christ and no other! Fast for the upholding of Truth. Fast for the upholding of His Word! Fast for the upholding of His Authority and Love for us. We bind satan, through Jesus, and are encouaged by God's total authority and indwelt spirit in our lives. For we are with Christ in the heavenly places. Please pray for our leaders! I am encouraged by all of you.
God Bless AVM |
| Climacus | Posted: 2007/2/22 1:38 Updated: 2007/2/22 1:38 |
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Someone posted that the Apostles would have solved this situation by immediately excommunicating the people involved. I think that is entirely right, especially considering 1 Corinthians 5.
However, I don't think that can work with the TEC especially if the vast majority of the TEC is theologically apostate, unable to even confess the tiniest fraction of the apostolic faith. Anyone here who has studied at an episcopal seminary will no doubt agree. So what's the answer? Well, I hate to sound repetitive, but the Bible is clear: separation! (2 John 9-11). If the Africans could not celebrate the Eucharist with the Presiding "Bishopette" (my wife's term), how can any of you orthodox TEC not follow suit and separate yourselves from such an wayward denomination. I think the question should justly be asked whether the Episcopal Church has now degenerated into a 'synagogue of Satan.' The Bible is as clear about the command to separate from false teachers as it is about its prohibition of homosexuality. You cannot believe and obey one and not the other if Scripture has any authority over you! There is not clearer case of a false church than the TEC. Please leave. http://www.traininginchristianity.blogspot.com/ |
| chaps | Posted: 2007/2/22 9:46 Updated: 2007/2/22 9:46 |
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Climacus wrote:
“Someone posted that the Apostles would have solved this situation by immediately excommunicating the people involved. I think that is entirely right, especially considering 1 Corinthians 5.” The Scriptures and Canons require expelling heretics and schismatics and those who fail to do so are complicit in their sin—they are as guilty as the heretics and schismatics and, therefore, are themselves to be expelled and shunned. The reason for this is obvious and the recent history of the Anglican Communion is a good example: revisionism gets worse the longer it is tolerated and those who tolerate it become compromised so that they can no longer expel the heretics and schismatics. This is fundamental to sin being both a cause and an effect and how it spreads like a communicable disease. Revisionists draw others into their sin by getting them to tolerate it. Tolerating revisionism—failing to condemn the heresy and expel the heretics—is a grievous sin because it is a denial of Christ—failure to defend the Gospel is a denial of Him who taught it and bearing false witness against Him. Therefore, toleration of revisionism is the same as participating in the heresy and schism. Once we have tolerated revisionism—even briefly—it is difficult to then condemn the heresy and the heretics without first explaining why we tolerated them in the first place—we must first admit that it was a sin to ever tolerate it. But humans are proud—we don't want to admit that we sinned by tolerating it—so we keep on tolerating it and, thereby, we draw others into also sinning by tolerating it. The GS Primates' error was to sit down with Ms Schori—if we are not willing to share the Eucharist with someone because of their heresy, Scripture and the Canons require us to not sit down with them in the first place. I don't think the GS Primates have any idea how strong their position was—even if they were outnumbered. All they had to do was refuse to sit down with Ms Schori and walk out if necessary. That's the one thing that they could have done that would have been a “win/win”: they would have won if the other Primates went along with them to avert a very public split (which is likely) and they would have won even if the other Primates refused to toss Ms Schori—they would have established their ethos to form their own communion apart from the heresy of the Anglican Communion. Instead, they sat down with Ms Schori—tolerated her and TEc's heresy—which made it difficult for them to walk out when they realized that they were outnumbered: once you sit down with someone and begin the “process,” you can't walk out on the basis of moral principles—you're just leaving because you didn't get your way. Climacus wrote: “Well, I hate to sound repetitive, but the Bible is clear: separation! (2 John 9-11). If the Africans could not celebrate the Eucharist with the Presiding "Bishopette" (my wife's term), how can any of you orthodox TEC not follow suit and separate yourselves from such an wayward denomination. I think the question should justly be asked whether the Episcopal Church has now degenerated into a 'synagogue of Satan.' ” Not just TEc, but the Anglican Communion. It's not just the issue of a practicing homosexual bishop in TEc—it's also other jurisdictions (Canada, New Zealand, South Africa and, most troubling of all, the “Mother Church” in England) who have the same basic teachings about homosexual behavior—and it's not just the issue of homosexuality—it's about the authority of Scripture, the interpretation of Scripture, the uniqueness of Christ, etc. Please extend my thanks to your wife for coming up with “bishopette”—I think I may begin using that term! Kindly ask her if it would be appropriate to refer to the presiding bishopette as the squishopette. Climacus wrote: “The Bible is as clear about the command to separate from false teachers as it is about its prohibition of homosexuality. You cannot believe and obey one and not the other if Scripture has any authority over you! There is not clearer case of a false church than the TEC. Please leave.” Amen! And not just TEc—Scripture and the Canons make it clear that we are required to separate from the heretical Anglican Communion. That means leaving CANA, AMiA, etc unless they repent and leave the Anglican Communion. Where to go? The Continuum, Rome, or Orthodoxy. Blessings, chaps |
| DnNeal | Posted: 2007/2/22 11:14 Updated: 2007/2/22 11:14 |
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Chaps,
I have nothing to add to this last post. It is simply true. Thanks and blessings, Neal Climacus, Your wife's title of "Bishopette" fits well and so did your post. (Great username by the way.) |
| HowieG | Posted: 2007/2/22 12:11 Updated: 2007/2/22 12:11 |
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<<1. The House of Bishops of TEC needs to make an unequivocal common covenant that the bishops will not authorise any Rite of Blessing for same-sex unions in their dioceses or through General Convention
2. The House of Bishops of TEC needs to make a statement that all its members will definitely NOT consent to the consecration of any person as a Bishop who is living in a same-sex union.>> Okay folks lets get ready for the spin... Assuming the the HOB signs and agrees to the communique, they, no doubt, will be able to say that the communique is only binding upon those who actually signed it. What is stopping future Bishops saying that since they personally did not sign the document (that has not been written yet), they are under no requirement to abide by it? After all, TEc (Cult) is so into legalese and procedure that it has long ago forgotten about the Spirit of what the Church is all about. H |
























