Anglican crisis talks 'to last into the night'
By Jonathan Petre
The Telegraph
Religion Correspondent, in Dar Es Salaam
February 19, 2007
The worldwide Anglican Church was struggling to reach a consensus tonight about how to resolve its bitter dispute over homosexuality. The Church's primates, who are meeting in Tanzania, were deadlocked over key areas of their final communiqué, which is supposed to reflect the views of the whole gathering.
Embarrassed officials had to postpone a press conference at which they had intended to unveil the communiqué, explaining that talks were expected to go on into the night.

Dr Rowan Williams confers with the
Tanzanian Archbishop Donald Mtetemela
It was believed that the Primate of Nigeria, Archbishop Peter Akinola, is leading a rearguard action by a rump of hardline conservatives.
They were deeply unhappy with early drafts of the communiqué because it fails to rebuke the liberal American Episcopal Church for bringing Anglicanism to the brink of schism by consecrating its first openly gay bishop in 2003.
They are also concerned that it does not provide sufficient protection for American conservatives who have rejected the leadership of their liberal Presiding Bishop, Katharine Jefferts Schori.
Archbishop Akinola demonstrated his growing distance from many of his colleagues by failing to make the trip to the island of Zanzibar on Sunday for a service in the Anglican cathedral at which the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, preached.
Although he told officials that he was suffering from a bad back, he has since been seen walking around, apparently in no discomfort.
It is believed, however, that he used the time to plan his strategy and draw up a dissenting minority statement for the conservative group which they may issue if the impasse cannot be broken.
Meanwhile, the primates today issued a new draft document outlining ways to hold the Anglican Communion together in the face of future difficulties.
The "covenant", which will take years to finalise, should provide Anglican leaders with powers to discipline, or even expel, member Churches that fail to toe the majority line. The draft covenant states that in "extreme circumstances, where member churches choose not to fulfill the substance of the covenant", they will have relinquished their membership.
"A process of restoration and renewal will be required to re-establish their covenant relationship with other member churches," according to the proposal.
However, the proposed covenant might not be strong enough for conservatives. The draft document is broadly written and open to varying interpretations, leaving open the possibility that a province that ordains gay bishops can remain a Communion member.
In a further development unlikely to please the conservatives, Bishop Schori was today elevated to represent the Americas on one of the Church's most influential executive bodies.
Bishop Schori, 53, was elected to the Standing Committee of the Primates' Meeting, the executive body that guides the work of the primates.
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| frjude | Posted: 2007/2/19 19:23 Updated: 2007/2/19 19:23 |
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"Anglican Crisis puts Aslan to sleep!"
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| ejsteele | Posted: 2007/2/19 19:24 Updated: 2007/2/19 19:24 |
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My dear brothers and sisters:
The time has come for all traditionalists to put aside our differences, and pray. As an Anglo-Catholic I admit to preferring the 1928 BCP, I don't like women's ordination, and I like hymns rather than praise songs. However I don't like mitres, and would rather wear a chimere than a cope - and BTW I don't like the color purple. Face it, there are things on both sides of the "catholic-evangelical" debate that we like and dislike. But right now what we need to be concerned with is the upholding of Holy Scripture. As Anglicans - both in and out of the Communion - we place primacy on Scripture; and we can not allow that to change. So pray that as these talks go into the night, that those Primates who uphold the Word of God stand strong and faithful, supported by our prayers and the Will of Almighty God. Peace and grace, +Ed Steele |
| Gander | Posted: 2007/2/19 19:30 Updated: 2007/2/19 19:30 |
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Heavenly Father, do not abandon us to those who despise your son. We are blind as to our path. Lead us always that we will not disappoint You.
Give your servants who speak before great and wicked rulers your own words and attitudes. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Isa 42:14 ¶ I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, [and] refrained myself: [now] will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once. Isa 42:15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools. Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way [that] they knew not; I will lead them in paths [that] they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them. Isa 42:17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye [are] our gods. |
| lionheart | Posted: 2007/2/19 19:31 Updated: 2007/2/19 19:31 |
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frjude,
Purrrrrfect. A picture is worth a thousand words! lh |
| aaytch | Posted: 2007/2/19 19:33 Updated: 2007/2/19 19:33 |
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If this report is true that there would be no report at all, and it probably is, then there is very little substance to the "Anglican Communion" (as defined by the See of Canterbury), and we may as well just declare it dead. That's great news; it neutralizes every success that the revisionists thought they had achieved, and it establishes for the first time that conservatives are not obliged to abide with evil.... that they can submit to an Anglican bishop without necessarily becoming associated with the Archbishop of Canterbury.
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| Sinner | Posted: 2007/2/19 19:34 Updated: 2007/2/19 19:34 |
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There is no need to pray.
Pray not for Akinola - he is strong in the LORD; he has no need of prayers from americans! Pray not for Shori - she is pagan, she has committed the unforgivable sin - prayers for her availeth not. Pray - if you must - for yourselves: that tomorrow you will have strength to follow the lead of Christ and to ACT |
| Gander | Posted: 2007/2/19 19:37 Updated: 2007/2/19 19:37 |
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"So pray that as these talks go into the night, that those Primates who uphold the Word of God stand strong and faithful"
If the Revisionists are like Iron, may your servants be as Flint. God's servants are isolated by man but no man can restrain nor detain God's Holy Spirit. Bless your servants. Give them peace and power. Amen. |
| ejsteele | Posted: 2007/2/19 19:39 Updated: 2007/2/19 19:39 |
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Sinner,
I agree we should all pray for ourselves, but I don't agree that ++Akinola has no need of prayer. Even Moses needed assistance from time to time. Our prayers are not necessarily the prayers of "americans", but of Anglicans who wish to see the Will of God upheld and carried forth. +Ed |
| ejsteele | Posted: 2007/2/19 19:40 Updated: 2007/2/19 19:40 |
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Amen, Gander. Amen.
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| lionheart | Posted: 2007/2/19 19:43 Updated: 2007/2/19 19:43 |
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Prayer is always a good idea, we are commended to pray without ceasing. Action though, if consecrated to God, is also a form of prayer. Although I might word it differently, Sinner has quite a point. Tomorrow, or whenever this event concludes, those relatively faithful Anglicans within TEC will be faced with a clear mandate for action.
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| frmarkcj | Posted: 2007/2/19 19:47 Updated: 2007/2/19 19:47 |
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When God made a covenant with people, there were always severe consequences for not keeping the covenant. Relinquishing your membership was not the severe punishment. Curses and death was the severe punishment. Even in the New Covenant the penalty for not keeping or participating in the Covenant is separation from God in hell for eternity. The draft that I have read offers no severe discipline whatsoever. It is nothing but fine sounding drivel.
We must pray earnestly over these next few hours that those orthodox Primates who have made promises to guard the faith will call the heretics what they are and be done with them once and for all. You cannot be in a covenant with heretics. I do not picture Polycarp, Ignatius, Athanasius, or Augustine even considering being willing to sign on to what was proposed by the covenant design committee given the fact that TEC would also be willing to sign onto it. They would be willing to become martyrs first. Bp +Steele is correct. Unless something drastically happens in the next few hours that changes the direction of things, it is going to be time for those who are truly Biblical and orthodox in their Anglican faith to fish or cut bait. It will be time to say what things will I die for and what things am I willing to grant liberty on in order to unite with my brothers and sisters who are earnestly contending for the faith in order to see people won to Christ. It is going to be time to be done with talk, blogging about the next line drawn in the sand, getting up hope about the next meeting or conference, and put it all behind us, and move on for the advancement of the Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Enough is enough. But for now, let us be on our knees before the Throne of Grace where we may find mercy and help in time of trouble. ++Mark |
| Fisherman | Posted: 2007/2/19 19:51 Updated: 2007/2/19 19:51 |
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‘The words of a wise man's mouth win him favor, but the lips of a fool consume him.’ Ecclesiastes 10:12
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| Helena | Posted: 2007/2/19 20:08 Updated: 2007/2/19 20:08 |
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Looks like that gold crown I got at Burger King.
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| Romans828 | Posted: 2007/2/19 20:19 Updated: 2007/2/19 20:19 |
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Helena, I was just about to make the same observation. Maybe Williams is showing everyone what the AC budget cuts will do if ECUSA is gone.
So, where's Rocky now? I don't see Rocky anywhere. |
| RMachina | Posted: 2007/2/19 20:34 Updated: 2007/2/19 20:34 |
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Repeat post from a separate thread. It's applicable here as well:
It's not very challenging to come up with many reasons why the churches can't and won't come back together. It also is not very challenging to come up with many reasons why a world-changing message entrusted to a small band of people led by a dozen mostly uneducated common folk could not possibly survive even one generation after the founder had been executed in a most shameful manner. It's seldom impressive to restate the obvious. What is usually far more impressive (and helpful) is to identify ways, maybe even just a single ray of hope, whereby the faithful believers from all corners of His Church, can begin to come back together, in spite of the multitude of logical reasons why it can't ever happen. There were many naysayers who said it was physically impossible for a human body to run a mile in under 4 minutes. The joints, tendons, and muscles could not possibly handle the strain, they said. Those runners who broke the 4-minute mile barrier were too busy training -- they didn't have time to listen to the naysayers. Nehemiah didn't have time to listen to Sanballat, Tobiah, and Geshem; he was too busy rebuilding the wall to listen to those who said it couldn't be done. Let us learn from the example of those who have gone before us, and set our eyes upon Him, and be so busy doing the work He has given to us that we don't have time to listen to those who say it can't be done. The wood, hay and stubble of the last 2000 years is being burned away. The Bride is being prepared for His return. She will be made ready. The process will not be easy. It takes heat and pressure to make diamonds; it takes the refiner's fire to purify gold and silver. Why should we in the church expect it will be any other way? Whom the Lord loves, He chastens. Since the fall into sin, growth comes only through overcoming resistance. Rather than bemoaning how this coming together can never happen, is it not better to set our minds and hearts about how to be about the business of implementing His earnest desire, that we all be one even as He and the Father are One (John 17:20-21)? In our lifetime? It is later in time than most of us realize. Let us labor while it is still day, for the night is coming, when no man can work. Come Lord Jesus! Come quickly! JAM |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2007/2/19 20:40 Updated: 2007/2/19 20:40 |
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Yes they will lionheart. They will face the prospect of leaving, once and for all.
"Enough is enough and too much is too much!" -- Saint Popeye, the Sailor Man. |
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