DAR2007: RECONCILIATION WHEN GOD SAYS DISCIPLINE EQUALS PARTNERSHIP IN REBELLION
Commentary
By Canon Gary L'Hommedieu in Dar es Salaam www.virtueonline.org 2/19/2007
"All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us." (2 Cor 5:18-19 NRSV)
In a comment earlier this week I mentioned that the Primates in the first session had been "lulled into reconciliation mode". Even as I wrote those words I could hear dumfounded cries of, "What could be wrong with that? Isn't that good? Isn't that what Christians are supposed to do?"
I knew the term reconciliation needed to be reclaimed. In typical Anglican Communion Newspeak a biblical term (reconciliation) has been snatched from its original context, assigned a different meaning and redeployed as a biblical mandate for an unbiblical agenda. The orthodox Anglican Primates appear to be in danger, once again, of falling for it.
To answer the question of my imaginary critics: No, it's not good that the Primates seem to be fooled into being reconciled, because they are being drawn into a non-biblical, pseudo-reconciliation. They are being lulled out of Christ's ministry of reconciliation into some other. At the present time nothing could be worse than that.
Reconciliation was Frank Griswold's response to the problem of heresy - or rather, the problem of having to acknowledge heresy long enough to dismiss it. There were complaints of heresy by the orthodox. The complaints became so numerous, and so credible, that they clearly lead to schism. Rather than honestly investigate the validity of such claims, Griswold initiated a program of "waging reconciliation." After all, he was one of the chief architects of heresy under the guise of Christianity.
This new reconciliation was a reconciliation of sorts - reconciliation as defusing an argument. It never solved the real problem but only sought to deny there was one. It sought to reconcile in the sense of incorporating heretics and orthodox believers in one big tent, yoking Christ and Belial in a single team and ploughing forward with no apparent need to look back.
Such a yoke would be the worst possible outcome of the last ten years, because it would firmly establish pseudo-Christianity as the official faith of the Anglican Communion. Its effect would be to nullify Christ's own ministry of reconciliation and establish another in his name, one designed to fool folks in the pews, like my would-be critics.
The New Testament speaks of reconciliation in two ways: the first is the simple meaning of reconciling two parties in an argument. In the Book of Acts Stephen retells the story of Moses seeking to reconcile two Hebrew brothers who fought with each other (7:26). This sort of reconciliation has no specific theological implication.
Reconciliation as a theological term is used by Paul specifically to describe God's purpose in sending His Son into the world, namely to reconcile all things to Himself (Col. 1:20). Paul would use this in his own pastoral practice as a model for ending arguments between Jew and Gentile, breaking down the dividing wall of hostility.
In Romans, Paul's theological treatise, he expounds the NT theology of reconciliation, that is, the theology of the Incarnation. He tells how God has reconciled the world to himself through the body of Jesus Christ on the cross. In his Corinthian letters Paul details the apostolic ministry of reconciliation. It always includes making peace between Christian brothers after the pattern of Christ making peace with the Father, but this peace is always for the purpose of advancing God's ministry of reconciling the world through the cross, unhampered and unhindered by party spirit and jealousy.
The new reconciliation of Frank Griswold, Katharine Jefferts Schori, and now the Anglican Primates as a block, is to demand reconciliation of any sort as part of the New Testament mandate. The prophet Jeremiah called it "peace when there is no peace." If two sides are at odds, reconciliation means ending the quarrel. One side may prevail on the other, or both may achieve a new consensus. It doesn't matter. As long as peace is achieved, then Christ's reconciliation has been effected.
Of course this is just a parody of the New Testament doctrine of reconciliation, and a cynical one at that, since its intent is to divert one group (the orthodox Primates, particularly of the Global South) from their agenda of preaching the cross to the false gospel of reconciliation through social engineering - the failed dream of elitists since the dawning of the modern era.
The Anglican Churches of the West have sought to deconstruct the Gospel and construct a new doctrine of reconciliation based upon United Nations Millennium Development Goals as the model. Jefferts Schori has referred ad nauseum to "reconciling the world" through MDG's. One supposes she means reconciling some peoples of the world to others. Or perhaps she just means some sort of generic "reconciliation" as a lofty term for improving conditions in the world, with the hint of a moral mandate behind it. Either way it is not the same as the apostolic ministry of reconciliation, where sinners are reconciled to the Father through the cross of Jesus Christ.
Schori and her counterparts use this nuanced "reconciliation" as a foil against the orthodox, as if the latter are only interested in hashing out fine points of religious doctrine, while she and her colleagues are about the urgent business of saving and "reconciling" the world from hunger and AIDS. She employs the rhetoric of false dichotomy to win an argument and silence an opponent. Whether she actually gets around to helping anyone remains to be seen. It also remains to be seen whether anyone will think to evaluate just how well the world is being "reconciled" by her efforts, other than more liberals winning arguments in their war against their conservative counterparts.
The orthodox don't talk so much about Millennium Goals, not because they don't believe in them, but rather because they refuse to acknowledge MDG's as the essence of historic Gospel of reconciliation. They refuse to participate in the false "either or" of faithfulness in doctrine OR faithfulness in social praxis.
The orthodox are the ones with a doctrine whose time has come. There is every good reason to promote the classic missionary objective of preaching the cross precisely as God's appointed means to save the world both spiritually AND materially. Those who are reconciled to the Father are the Spirit's tools for responding to the needs of people. Those who are reconciled to the Father through the Cross of God the Son have the Spirit, and the power, to help others without the psychological need to prove themselves through winning arguments and wrangling affirmations out of the public.
Liberals are stuck saving themselves through saying nice things about saving the world. Biblical Christians are free to trust God to save them and the world.
Orthodox Christians have always been the most finely attuned to the material as well as the spiritual needs of people throughout the world. They have been lampooned by the Left because they have been skeptical of social revolutions beginning with the French Revolution. They have noticed that revolutions invariably shift from the rhetoric of "liberty, fraternity, and equality" to reigns of terror and blood baths between warring factions; and in spite of this, the world remains unreconciled.
Jefferts Schori and her elite den of worldly reconcilers need to explain why they seek to replicate the failed revolutions of the recent past. They also need to explain why they would stop at 7 tenths of a cent on the dollar and call that "reconciliation"! Most Christians would call that "chump change", and if they believed the UN could honestly and efficiently broker MDG's, they would be happy to participate. It is the liberals who will be content to support MDG's whether they work or not, as long as they can stand in the limelight as the world's "reconcilers".
It is crucial now, at this moment, that the truth about God's ministry of reconciliation be proclaimed, and that the falsehood of the attempt by the West to hijack the Gospel to justify their own heretical drift be exposed. Here in Dar es Salaam, where powerful people are making important decisions affecting the fate of millions, God's Word must mandate God's agenda, not anybody else's.
---The Rev. Canon J. Gary L'Hommedieu is Canon for Pastoral Care at the Cathedral Church of St. Luke, Orlando, Florida, and a regular columnist for VirtueOnline.
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| desiderius | Posted: 2007/2/19 13:31 Updated: 2007/2/19 13:31 |
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Our Special Correspondent reports from a broom closet at the White Sands Hotel
Archbishop Peter Akinola, the head of the massive Anglican Church of Nigeria, has come out and admitted that he is a compromiser. The shocking revelation follows the Primates’ meeting in Dar es Salaam at which they set a new record for baking the world’s largest piece of fudge. Akinola, who until today had acquired a reputation as an uncompromising defender of orthodox truth, told a hushed news conference: “I have to come out. I’ve been living a lie for too long. I can’t help it – I’m an Anglican… compromising is part of my nature…” His compromising tendencies had started a few years back, the archbishop said, when Frank Griswold, the then Presiding Bi-Shop of TEC, had given him a small book containing the thoughts of Persian mystic-philosopher Rumi. “At first I thought it had something to do with Romy and Michelle – I thoroughly enjoyed that film about them going to their high school reunion – but by chapter two, I realised that I was being taken to a deeper place,” Akinola told stunned reporters. Since then, Akinola said, he’d started noticing that his attitude had changed. “It’s okay when I’m surrounded by my orthodox brethren or meeting with other happy CAPAs, but whenever I find myself in the presence of a group of first world bishops who need me to feel their pain… well… I just… can’t help myself,” a visibly shaken Akinola said. As yet there has been no comment from the Nigerian Church’s House of Bishops, who, it is understood, were considering preventing Akinola from being in the presence of more than one first world bishop at a time. Meanwhile, the Anglican Church’s record-breaking piece of fudge has gone down a treat here in Tanzania. “It’s wonderful; so tasty,” Mrs Gadinga wa Banda, the president of the Anglican Women’s Fellowship of Tanzania, said after taking a ceremonial bite out of the 38 metric ton piece of confectionary. The fudge was made out of tons of study papers, documents, committee reports, books, pamphlets and assorted verbiage mixed with a sickly-sweet combination of platitudes, metaphorical meanderings and downright lies, and then baked in a lukewarm oven for between two and 20 years. Archbishop Row-on Canterbury said the fudge was testimony to the Primates’ commitment to ending global poverty. “Come, taste and see that it is good,” he said to resounding applause. [ends] |
| gregory | Posted: 2007/2/19 13:38 Updated: 2007/2/19 13:38 |
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![]() "...what concord hath Christ with Belial?" ~ 2 Corinthians 6:15 ![]() Belial |
| lapittengr | Posted: 2007/2/19 13:45 Updated: 2007/2/19 13:45 |
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A brief examination of Scripture on "ministry of reconcilliation" vs Dr. Schori's views may be found here.
pax, LP |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2007/2/19 13:49 Updated: 2007/2/19 13:49 |
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2007/2/19 13:51 Updated: 2007/2/19 13:51 |
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Dear Brother Gregory... we now cast our pearls before swine.
I raised swine as a boy on our homestead. They are quite intelligent, even friendly animals. But they really are full of $#*+ |
| warmac9999 | Posted: 2007/2/19 13:52 Updated: 2007/2/19 13:52 |
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Every orthodox Christian is now required to shun this ugly group of revisionists and orthodox pretenders. For the past 4 years, we have all been told that something is going to happen. Well, it has happened and it is a complete and utter rejection of Christianity.
This conference is nothing but a cruel joke, and I resent it. |
| dturk | Posted: 2007/2/19 13:58 Updated: 2007/2/19 13:58 |
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Reconciliation between whom? This is really not a matter of getting, or forcing the orthodox to accept the liberals' heresies. The real issue at hand is getting God to accept their willful trashing of His Word. This is one area where He will not compromise. Bullying, weasel-wording, intimidation and political manuevering won't work here.
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| Isaac | Posted: 2007/2/19 14:00 Updated: 2007/2/19 14:04 |
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Ditto to what warmac9999 just said.
I would love to see some leadership out of our Bishop, Don Wimberly (Wimperly?) but I suspect at the most he will have another of his little "Windsor Parties." Isaac |
| boggy | Posted: 2007/2/19 14:11 Updated: 2007/2/19 14:11 |
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They are gutless. It is about the money, not about God.
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| PaulF | Posted: 2007/2/19 14:14 Updated: 2007/2/19 14:14 |
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Perhaps we have passed our 'sell-by date' for reconcilliation? What happened to the Orthodox / Traditional activists? If ever there were a time for the various members of the Episcopate who claim to represent the faith to stand up it is now!
Pray for those who truly care, that they may have the courage of their convictions and stand firm. Christianity is and always has been about Christ not earthly politics, possessions and pension plans! |
| gregory | Posted: 2007/2/19 14:26 Updated: 2007/2/19 14:26 |
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Brother Joe in Christ,
"we now cast our pearls before swine." i am trying to stop that but as you can see it was too late; Click to see what has happened. gregory |
| ZachD | Posted: 2007/2/19 14:27 Updated: 2007/2/19 14:30 |
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Did not our Lord say that perhaps there will be none of faith left when the Son of Man returns in glory?
We build this scenario brick by brick, folks. The demons gladly assist us in this work. From CS Lewis (again paraphrased): Every decision that we make sets us upon the road to glory, or to perdition. |
| OtisPage | Posted: 2007/2/19 14:48 Updated: 2007/2/19 14:49 |
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Is (has) the Anglican Communion now joined with Islam and Mormoms as Christian sects? It appears so.
It is a reconciliation of deceit that was formalized before 1998 by homosexual activists in ECUSA -- led by Griswold (et al)and Spong's followers including the "internet" tactic administered by Louie Crew. Islam will now conquer Africa and drive out the Christians. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2007/2/19 15:18 Updated: 2007/2/19 15:18 |
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OtisPage,
What you say is very sad but very true. TEC has undermined much of the good work done by faithful Christians. I pray that God will intervene and drive out the Moorish hordes but I realize that God might see fit to punish those who promote and enable homo/lesbo/bi/trans-sexual relations. Humbly, Tikhon |
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| Daboo | Posted: 2007/2/19 15:18 Updated: 2007/2/19 15:18 |
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2 Corinthians 5:6-10 (CEV)
6...As long as we are in these bodies, we are away from the Lord. 7But we live by faith, not by what we see. 8We should be cheerful, because we would rather leave these bodies and be at home with the Lord. 9But whether we are at home with the Lord or away from him, we still try our best to please him. 10After all, Christ will judge each of us for the good or the bad that we do while living in these bodies. I believe it says "walk by faith". Faith in what can not be seen - the promises of Jesus. Faith too in the judgement that will surely come. So which of you will walk...and which will continue to grouse about the bishops talking and listening - while you continue to talk? |
| HowieG | Posted: 2007/2/19 15:18 Updated: 2007/2/19 15:18 |
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My first impression is that we've been betrayed by the "orthodox" primates. However, after thinking about it a minute, it's occurred to me that the problem is not with what the Primates did and did not do, the issue is which dictionary the primates were using when they were listening and talking to the revisionists, et al.
It is obvious that both sides were using the same words, but, as usual, the revisionist have their own version of Webster's dictionary as opposed to the dictionary the rest of the world would use. Reconciliation in the Revisionist dictionary has a very different meaning than that of the Oxford dictionary. For example, compare the word Gay , meaning happy, to the slang meaning homosexual. The primates in their collectiive ignorance of the American usage of words has now completed the task of destroying the Anglican Communion. I am disgusted in the way the "orthodox" primates have been stomped on. I can hardly wait for the newest version the Bible that Canterbury will no doubt be authorizing. H ![]() |
| KievCaves | Posted: 2007/2/19 15:24 Updated: 2007/2/19 15:25 |
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Why all the fuss and worry .. later today the Primates will announce a new new commission which will study this latest development, and issue a report with findings and recommendations in May 2008. Then a special blue ribbon commission will be set up by the ACC for "listening" to the experiences and feelings of each member provence, with Susan Russell acting as moderator of this commission. In 2009, Bishop Duncan and the ACN will sign another document saying they are disgusted by Williams past academic papers. Tha GS Primates will visit various "orthodox" venues and pep rallies throughout 2007-2008, and then at the next Primates mtg (YOU FILL IN THE BLANK)
The leadership of the Anglican church matches its royalty counterpart ... expensive fops playing dress-up, nothing more |
| MicroCar | Posted: 2007/2/19 15:24 Updated: 2007/2/19 15:29 |
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To all you pew dwellers who joined or transferred to parishes in North America under GS authority ie AMIA/CANA, etc., thinking you had escaped corruption and compromise...
Sold a bill of goods by ambitious empire building types in three piece suites and vestments. Remember, organised religion is a business first and a self perpetuating one at that. Paychecks, pensions, power, prestige, position, property, popularity, are intrinsic to self righteous institutions and antithetical to the Gospel. Compromise is fundamental to any professional church body, but the not to the Kingdom of God. You are all members of the world wide Anglican Communion. Still in the same association with VGR. The Muslims are right. Should have stayed home. Micro+ |
| greenjanes | Posted: 2007/2/19 15:25 Updated: 2007/2/19 15:25 |
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1. The Anglican 'Communion' is not a 'Communion.
2. It is the English Club of the World Council of Churches 3. Membership in it is utterly meaningless: it permits a bishop who is living in open adultery(only one?), redefines marriage to justify itself, elects a pantheist (only one?) to its governing councils, and has abandoned all pretense of apostolic catholicity. 4. The only question left for 'orthodox' believers is how to leave 'anglican' in our church name without being ashamed or to find another label. 5. My prayers for those of you for whom this is far more painful than it is to me (I left in '76). 6. The faithful are still 'out there'.....leave the dead husk called TEC and find them, rejoice with them and grow the faith. God Bless us every one! |
| KievCaves | Posted: 2007/2/19 15:38 Updated: 2007/2/19 15:38 |
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Here he is -
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2007/2/19 15:50 Updated: 2007/2/19 15:50 |
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Well folks,
Our dear reader/poster Traktaryan mentioned on another thread, somewhat sarcastically, that at Lambeth 2008 change would be a-coming. Mind you, I'm not directly quoting him but merely sharing an observation. Methinks he is onto something - that something is the *tec fudge* which many are gorging themselves on. Let us join in prayerful discernment as to what will happen to the faithful remnant left in tec. May God grant them safe passage from the Pharoanic bondage of tec. Humbly, Tikhon |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2007/2/19 15:55 Updated: 2007/2/19 15:55 |
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*Yoking Christ and Belial in a single team*
WHA???!!! What a conceit!!!!!!!! A dreadful reminder of the depravity that the human heart is capable of. Tikhon |
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| Fisherman | Posted: 2007/2/19 15:58 Updated: 2007/2/19 16:00 |
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Until the 'overweight' (PC) lady has sung and the curtain drops, everything is speculation.
Don't underrate ++Peter Akinola and the other GS archbishops. Prayers continue until we know what the final verdict is from all concerned. There will undoubtedly be two communiqués to come out of this gathering. Blessings |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2007/2/19 16:30 Updated: 2007/2/19 16:30 |
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seriously, It is a joke, and the laugh's supposed to be on us.
Phoohy. |
| Helena | Posted: 2007/2/19 17:07 Updated: 2007/2/19 17:08 |
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All teacher education in public schools has been based on the opinions of John Dewey for many years. I learned to spout them back dutifully though tiredly, since they were empty and dry as dust. It was tricky that they kept his worst books from us.
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2007/2/19 17:31 Updated: 2007/2/19 17:31 |
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Exactly.
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2007/2/19 17:36 Updated: 2007/2/19 17:36 |
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Thanks for the confirmation, Helena. Dewey was a rascal and his followers were worse.
And guess what? We now live in the world he wanted for us. Great, ain't it? Illiterate peasant class for the first time in US history; taxation that serfs would not tolerate; Christ banned from public and polite society (think, Paris Hilton and Fiennes here); and words that mean the opposite of what they meant. This is what management scientists and others call an "unstable equilibrium" - the penny balanced on its rim. Only a small disturbance will knock it down. The trick is to be away from it when that happens because this penny is made of lead and dead men's bones. |
| Reactionar | Posted: 2007/2/19 18:15 Updated: 2007/2/19 18:15 |
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There is no discipline to mete out because the Anglican Communion has no such mechanism. And do the Global South primates want THEIR liberal parishes seeking APO from the likes of Schori? I'm betting that was the threat that was made that convinced them to stand down.
The Anglican churches have always taken the position that they are divided into national provinces and now it is coming back to bite them. The "Anglican Communion" of Presiding Bishops should be abandoned as an expensive relic. |
| mathman | Posted: 2007/2/19 22:11 Updated: 2007/2/19 22:11 |
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So.
We are now unequally yoked together with unbelievers. The Global South cannot survive without TEC money. Now Jesus said, "You cannot serve God and Mammon". I guess the Anglican Communion has chosen to serve Mammon. Too bad. This is not reconciliation. This is obfuscation. This is not reconciliation. This is fudge. This is not reconciliation. It is abandonment of the Gospel and adherence to the spirit of this world. May God have mercy on us. |
| ZachD | Posted: 2007/2/20 14:54 Updated: 2007/2/20 14:54 |
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"There is no discipline to mete out because the Anglican Communion has no such mechanism. And do the Global South primates want THEIR liberal parishes seeking APO from the likes of Schori? I'm betting that was the threat that was made that convinced them to stand down."
_____________________________________________ Really, Reactionar, there can be no standing down, ultimately. We are screwed - at first glance. But wait - there is more. Some continue to blog hope. Some, that the GS will go their own way after this, and do their own way publicly. This house of cards (Den of Iniquity) must come tumbling down. It shall. I concur that prayers said earnestly and tirelessly will advance the work of the Holy Spirit Who is at war in the world. We come off the dreadful plateau, at long last! And by the way, Anglicans do indeed have a mechanism for dealing with apostasy and rebellion. Pity, that it has become 'out of fashion'! James Pike should have been tossed out on his ear! (But what good is that to us NOW?) But James Pike was not alone. As a curiosity, I sure would like to 'source back' this devilspawn. What a victory and heyday for the clutches of evil! But there is work to do yet, Faithful ones, for we still find that we can draw breath! Design for us, Dear Lord!! |
| gregory | Posted: 2007/2/20 15:17 Updated: 2007/2/20 15:21 |
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JotM, i confirm those posts.
![]() The penny is already falling ... humbly, gregory ps; verichip pss "trick is" to "walk in the shoes" of those closest to Christ Jesus... mho |
| gregory | Posted: 2007/2/20 16:06 Updated: 2007/2/20 16:08 |
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ZachD, "tossed out on his ear" well i think God let him do us service albeit to his own demise;
James Pike ""Death In 1969, following an obsession with gnostic spirituality stemming from attempts to contact his dead son, Pike and his new wife drove into the Israeli desert. They were unprepared for the journey, and when their car broke down and became stuck, they separated in order to search for help. Accounts differ and an exact determination is impossible, though it is likely that Pike either fell into a wadi/oasis/creek bed to his death or else climbed in and subsequently died of exposure and thirst sometime between September 2nd and 9th. His body was recovered and buried (following his wishes and those of his family) in the Protestant cemetery in Jaffa, Israel."" \ ALL of your post is worthy of my Praise... Thank you Lord for the witness ZachD provides. h' g ![]() |
| JCwarrior | Posted: 2007/2/21 2:26 Updated: 2007/2/21 2:26 |
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My Brothers,and Sisters in Christ; The Battle for The Episcopal Church,and The Anglican Communion is over, The Battle for The Whole Body of Christ has begun. " Hold fast the confession of our faith,without wavering, for He who is promised is faithful." Hebrews 10:23.
Yours in Christ. |
| DnNeal | Posted: 2007/2/21 11:49 Updated: 2007/2/21 11:49 |
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As Francis Schaeffer wrote in "Escape From Reason" the secular will "eat up" the sacred if given the chance.
There cannot be any communion with those espousing heresy. The traditionalists have been "unequally yoked" with heretics, have communed with them, and talked nearly to death over the course of many years. This against the canons of the Ecumenical Councils as "Chaps" wrote on another thread and against the clear mandate of Scripture which inspired the Church Fathers to promulgate them. Their heresy has nearly "eaten up" the sacred in the Western AC and a sizeable chunk out of the Eastern AC too. Can anyone really justify the notion of "listening" to heretics any longer? Neal |
| Hogan | Posted: 2007/2/21 15:02 Updated: 2007/2/21 15:02 |
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It appears you guys have been waiting, and waiting and waiting, ad nauseum, for some knight in shining armour to ride in on a white stallion and gather the "elect" Anglicans into one orthodox fold - unfortunately, it was all deception. The mighty buck rules in today's society, even in the church. Those who would be faithful to Christ must now take up their crosses and follow Him right out of the apostate Anglican Church.
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