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Exclusives : DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori and Refuse Eucharist
Posted by David Virtue on 2007/2/16 12:10:00 (7471 reads)

DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break Protocol and Refuse Eucharist with Schori

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
2/16/2007

In a move that shocked two Primates at a press briefing conference today, seven primates refused to participate in Holy Communion with Mrs. Katharine Jefferts Schori, the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church (TEC), saying she violated Scriptural teaching for supporting the consecration of an openly homosexual priest to the episcopacy and for her support of the blessing of same sex unions.

"We are unable to come to the Holy Table with the Presiding Bishop of The Episcopal Church because to do so would be a violation of Scriptural teaching and the traditional Anglican understanding, citing further that "the torn fabric of the Church has been torn further."

The archbishops ripped the actions of The Episcopal Church saying that as a consequence of the decision taken by the TEC "our relationship with The Episcopal Church is either broken or severely impaired," in a news announcement on the Province of the Church of Nigeria web site.

The action of posting this announcement, on a web site, formally broke the protocol of silence surrounding the primates who have been walled off from the media amidst tight security.

When VirtueOnline informed the two Primates, Australian Archbishop Phillip Aspinall and Nassau Archbishop Drexel Gomez, about the leaked web site report at the daily press briefing, Aspinall expressed complete surprise. He was clearly rattled and almost stammered to formulate a response, "this is news to me, David."

He then went on to say that the Primates are free to engage in their discussions and speak frankly to each other without being unduly influenced externally. "Following the communiqué at the end of the week everybody is free to speak about the meeting in which ever they want," he said.

"I am not sure what the implications are of this statement being posted, I need to reflect on it as will the Primates. Whether it becomes an issue or not remains to be seen."

The actions of the seven primates clearly broke media silence, catching the two Primates at the media conference by total surprise and violating the "integrity" of the meeting, as originally planned and presumably agreed to by the seven Primates. They were off the Windsor Reservation, said an observer.

The Eucharistic boycott came at the end of the third of the six-day conference by Global South Primates that included six Africans and one Southern Cone archbishop. They include Abp. Peter Akinola, (Nigeria); Abp John Chew, (Southeast Asia); Abp. Benjamin Nzimbi, (Kenya); Abp Justice Akrofi, (West Africa); Abp. Henry Orombi, (Uganda); Abp. Gregory Venables, (Southern Cone), and Abp. Emmanuel Kolini (Rwanda). They represent more than 30 million faithful Anglicans.

"This is a painful decision for us and also for our host and brother, the Most Rev Donald Mtetemela. He understands our painful dilemma and accepts our decision," wrote the seven primates.

"This deliberate action is a poignant reminder of the brokenness of the Anglican Communion," said the statement.

A question as to whether this was more or less the number of archbishops who refused Holy Communion in Dromantine, Irelandm in 2005, a gay spokesman for Changing Attitudes told VOL that it was 19. It is getting less all the time, he noted. In Ireland, the archbishops refused to attend daily Eucharist with the then Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, Frank T. Griswold.

Mrs. Jefferts Schori has been a lightning rod for dissent in the Episcopal Church, when she was elected Presiding Bishop, having said she supported the consecration of V. Gene Robinson, the openly homosexual bishop of New Hampshire. She also supports rites for same sex unions.

The actions of these seven protesting archbishops of the Global South came one day after a sub-group of Primates released a report saying the Episcopal Church had fulfilled two of three requests by Anglican leaders to heal the broken relationships created by Robinson's consecration.

The report looked favorably upon the U.S. church, saying that the TEC had fulfilled most of the demands of the Windsor Report, infuriating orthodox Episcopalians and Anglicans who saw it as a capitulation to current mores and a violation of Biblical morality.

The vast majority of Anglicans, worldwide, believe homosexual relationships are inherently sinful, and that only God ordained marriage between a man and a woman is biblically acceptable. The press release can be seen here: http://www.anglican-nig.org

IN OTHER NEWS, Australian Archbishop Phillip Aspinall said that the Primates spent the morning further considering the responses to The Episcopal Church's reactions to the Windsor Report and the Dromantine requests. There were no definite conclusions, he said. "We moved from an intense listening mode to more discussion and debate, free and frank exchange of views and debate and certainly some areas of concern and tension. It would be wrong to give an impression that it's all smooth sailing. There are real tensions for us to work through. We will have a report tomorrow as the discussion matures."

The Primates also received a report from the Covenant Design Group which is drafting a covenan,t along with a communiqué, which will be released on Monday, said Aspinall.

A report from the Panel of Reference revealed a number of difficulties being encountered including the sheer effort required to establish the facts. "We heard about constraints caused by legal actions underway which impede the Panel's work. There were also the human problems getting timely responses from a lot of people. A blunt question was raised as to whether the outcomes were being achieved by the panel. There has to be a will for reconciliation for the work of the panel to be effective," said the archbishop. How the church should respond to public criticism of reports was also issued by the panel.

Archbishop Drexel Gomez, chairman of the Covenant Design Group, said the overall purpose of the draft covenant was to provide a mechanism for mutual accountability and holding one another together. "We believe that when the Covenant is finally approved we will have a means of holding each other in check and also dealing with difficult situations that may arise from time to time. Unfortunately, the Anglican Communion has no central legal authority. We have no means of holding one another in check, and it is only through mutual admonition and meeting and talking."

We have produced a statement of what we consider to be a statement of classical Anglicanism, given our history and our background, and we are producing something that has merit and power for the Anglican Communion. It is not one size fits all, so it wouldn't apply to all Christian denominations; it is designed specifically to deal with the Anglican Communion and the sets of circumstances that prevail in our church.

Questioned on how the Primates can come to an agreement on a covenant when they are clearly a broken communion with the Episcopal Church, Gomez responded saying that difficulty is more perceived than real.

The Covenant has nothing to do with what has been said before about broken and impaired communion, he said.

Since the actions of The Episcopal Church in 2003, the provinces can be placed into three groups based upon their responses to what has happened in the TEC.

The first group of provinces have made no formal statement in respect to TEC's actions. This is probably the largest group. It number about 12.

A second group is made up of provinces that have declared they are in a state of impaired communion, which means they can no longer do business as usual. They are not in broken communion, but the relationships between the province and the TEC will be dealt with as need arises. They number about six.

The third group has received the most attention and has declared that they are in broken communion with TEC. It is the Primates of these churches that have declined to attend the Eucharist along with the primate of the American church.

Gomez said that his province was in impaired communion with the Episcopal Church.

A spokesman for the Episcopal Church said Mrs. Jefferts Schori would be silent till the end of the Primates meeting. "The Presiding Bishop continues to honor the agreement with her fellow primates not to discuss the proceedings of the meeting until its adjournment. Knowing Bishop Jefferts Schori, I am certain that she continues to listen carefully to the concerns of all her fellow primates," he said.

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Cennydd
Posted: 2007/2/16 21:52  Updated: 2007/2/16 21:53
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
Quote:
"A spokesman for the Episcopal Church said Mrs Jefferts Schori would be silent till the end of the Primates meeting. 'The Presiding Bishop continues to honor the agreement with her fellow primates not to discuss the proceedings of the meeting until its adjournment. Knowing Bishop Schori, I am certain that she continues to listen carefully to the concerns of all her fellow primates.' "


She might listen carefully to their concerns, but does she really care what they think? One wonders! She sure hasn't shown respect for the opinions of her fellow bishops who disagree with her at home, nor has she shown respect for the laity who are at odds with her and her revisionist friends.

I thought that +Frank Tracy Griswold III was a disaster as Presiding Bishop, and now I find that he's not alone!

Cennydd
Romans828
Posted: 2007/2/16 21:58  Updated: 2007/2/16 22:15
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
"But the actions of the seven primates clearly broke media silence, catching the two Primates at the media conference by total surprise violating the "integrity" of the meeting as originally planned and presumably agreed to by the seven Primates. They were off the Windsor Reservation said an observer."

I wouldn't begin from the assumption that the seven Primates in question ever agreed to anything about staying silent. Many people have a tendency to make rules for groups, assume that a lack of objection is a concurrence, and then claim a violation of a rule is the breaking of an "agreement" that in fact was never made.
Anglican06
Posted: 2007/2/16 22:12  Updated: 2007/2/16 22:12
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
Drexel Gomez is snorting something if he things the Global South is going to go along with any compromise covenant design that the Windsor Bishops produce.
DavidS
Posted: 2007/2/17 7:08  Updated: 2007/2/17 7:08
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
Don't give-up hope just yet. Our entire faith is based on our God snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Let's face it...things looked pretty bleak on Good Friday too!
rbmiller
Posted: 2007/2/17 7:29  Updated: 2007/2/17 7:29
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This isn't REMAGEN this is DUNKIRK.The Belgians are about to surrender. Order the little ships, and get out?
FrSam+
Posted: 2007/2/17 10:57  Updated: 2007/2/17 11:20
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
Umm....back to the subject at hand.

I believe that if there were to be even the slightest rebuke of TEC we would have gotten wind of it by now.

The best that the "orthodox 7" can leak is "we won't share communion with them". Wow. Big deal.

KJS could care less if Akinola will take a communion wafer along side her. Her agenda is to keep TEC in, which from every single bit of information that we have been able to get from this meeting, she has done and done successfully.

My impression of this article is that Akinola really only has 7 provinces that are totally committed on his side.

7 is simply not enough to do squat, except to express displeasure and not attend a voluntary Eucharist.

Further along, any covenant that they come up with TEC would simply sign (Just like they did with Windsor). THEN there would be the difficulty of deciding what to do when provinces "sign the covenant and then don't live up to it." (Just like now with Windsor)

THEN there would be yet another set of discussions, meetings, statements, ad nauseum about how to deal with the all new "TEC crisis". (just like with Windsor)

One issue will merely be exchanged for another and then they will wait for TEC's next General Convention to formulate a response and blah..blah...blah. (just like with Windsor)

Unless the Lord works out some bomb dropping change in the next two days, Tanzania has solved nothing, and the orthodox who remain in TEC's ranks are right where they were before; in a denomination that merely tolerates them and rightly identifies them as the small unhappy minority, in a church which they have no real influence, and in which they will continue to have things dictated to them by their priestesses, bishopesses, et al.

The choices now are painfully becoming more obvious than when I left ECUSA. You can leave and get on with your Christian life in a church that serves Him biblically, or you can stay for the "new thing" of Robinson, Schori, Integrity, et al.

Either way, after Tanzania I don't think the "orthodox" who stay will have a right to gripe, for TEC has clearly stated where they stand, where they are going, and more importantly, where they are NOT returning.

Any hope that TEC will "repent and return" is a tragic pipe dream, and a dream where a few "orthodox" who stay will be lulled to sleep always hoping for the next rescue that will never come.
MicroCar
Posted: 2007/2/17 13:39  Updated: 2007/2/17 13:48
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
Mr D. Green:

You have obviously forgotten to take your medication. Return to the drug store and get an appropriately marked pill container with the days clearly marked.
No, not the invisable ones, the ones made out of coloured plastic.

Now, for when your more lucid.

You reference..."when you leave this earth"...?

As in like a Rapture? As in vertically? We are Anglicans we don't believe in a rapture. Do you?

Your mum must have been frightened by a southern Baptist fundamentalist while carrying you. Sorry. You'll get better, pick up a crystal, sit near a pyramid, go to a TEC church near you and talk to the Godess, take in a clown mass, memorize the UN millenial goals whatever. Just be calm and wait for your next reincarnation wherein you might be absorbed in to the Brahmanatmun if you get it right.

Micro HafenaGuteTyme VishnuVerehare
Leonard
Posted: 2007/2/17 14:07  Updated: 2007/2/17 14:07
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
High, BLOOMING, TIME!!!!

Better late than never I guess.
solomon_a
Posted: 2007/2/17 14:31  Updated: 2007/2/17 14:31
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
Might want to wait to draw conclusions. In the meantime, look at the two documents at the SPREAD site.
http://www.anglicanspread.org/

One draws a line between three groups, historic biblical Anglicans, Rowan Williams and the revisionists, and William Carey and the pragmatists. It makes it clear that those among the seven who refused communion see no path to compromise. More will come.

The other is a 150 page document dealing with the long history of Rowan Williams' stance. My hope is that the Biblical Global South leaders are going to go through to the end of the conference and then let their voices be heard - with much documentation.
Gander
Posted: 2007/2/17 14:54  Updated: 2007/2/17 14:54
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
I have seen no indications that Madame Schori is a Christian. Could you direct me to such?

Respectfully,

Don
cjanning
Posted: 2007/2/17 16:34  Updated: 2007/2/17 16:34
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
My, my... an Anonymous troll...
stwulfstan
Posted: 2007/2/17 17:15  Updated: 2007/2/17 17:15
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
The mistake in this article is that focuses on just one issue of TEC's apostasy.

That issue was chosen by the apostates themselves, who are chipping away at the Church one issue at a time. They are persecuting us Christians by attrition.

Instead we should be reminded why Mother Jeff Schori is not a Christian in a few words:

Jeff has said that there are many ways to God besides the Church, that Jesus Christ does not offer salvation from Hell, and that the Church MUST be inclusive of leaders who are habitually immoral.

It's not just homosexuality.
DavidJacks
Posted: 2007/2/17 18:35  Updated: 2007/2/17 18:36
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
Hello to all;

This is really so sad. This convocation is one of a huge Anglican Communion which has gone off the tracks completly. The American Episcopal Church has been in apostacy since about 1976, the COE is not far behind. The Global South, by even recognizing TEC has gone astray as well (is it the money the Americans provide?).
All this talk and all these conventions, all these Windsor reports, all these compromises about woman priestesses, homosexuals, and the denial of the primary reason for the Church to exist in favor of some lovely do-goodism, point to just one thing. Sincere Anglican Catholic Christians are wasting their time and energy worrying about TEC, its affiliates, and their activities. So sad it is now, and will remain.

Regards;

David Jackson
DavidS
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
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You will see what God want's when you leave this earth,..you might be suprised.....totally!!
Well, let's see... Our side is backed-up by thousands of years of Judeo-Christian thought, Holy Scripture, and almost 2,000 years of Church teaching...While the current bunch running TEC can point to their own distinct and powerful history of...forty years of psychobabble and twenty-five years of revisionist theology. Wow! You've got me convinced me. What were we all thinking!?! Thanks for getting all us Baptists straight!
lionheart
Posted: 2007/2/17 20:30  Updated: 2007/2/17 20:30
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Ummm . . . let's see now, I've never been great at math: There are 38 primates in total. Four are absent this meeting, that leaves 34. Seven refused communion, that leaves 27. 12 have made no statements, that leaves 15. Six are in "impaired communion" (whatever that means) which leaves nine. Nine whom we thought had broken communion with TEC? If that's the case then the revisionists are winning this.

lh
yaya2
Posted: 2007/2/17 20:37  Updated: 2007/2/17 20:37
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
There are so many people who are in prayer as the future of our church is being decided. I thought I would check this blog to see if there was any new word ...................

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! All I read is the same old name calling, personal assaulting and empty wordage!!!

For GOD'S sake, think about what is happening and get down on your knees and pray...........stop listening to your own droning and pray that God will lead this meeting to some good for those of us who love the word of God and want to preserve it!

God forgive us and force us to our knees!
lionheart
Posted: 2007/2/17 20:52  Updated: 2007/2/17 20:52
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
yaya2,

1) the most prolific posters on this site probably spend less than an hour a day average posting, that leaves 23 hours each day for prayer;

2) the purpose of this site is to present articles and have readers comment;

3) while you're on your knees praying, you might consider if this is the final coffin nail in your faith in the Anglican Communion. If only seven primates had the courage to refuse communion with TEC's PB, then it is inarguably over;

4) guilt trips don't work on lions, less is better when it comes to melodrama

lh
yaya2
Posted: 2007/2/17 21:07  Updated: 2007/2/17 21:07
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
Name calling is hardly presenting articles or commenting on them. The reason I ask for prayer is that I do fear the final coffin nail is about to be used and I am praying for the primates and courage.

I thought this blog was for humans, not lions and I will gladly leave this to you and your pride.

Melodrama has no place in sincere spiritual discussions and this blog is no longer that type of discussion.
stwulfstan
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 Re: DAR2007: Seven Global South Primates Break with Schori a
TEC = "The EX-Church."
Truthseekr
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Quote:
I thought this blog was for humans, not lions and I will gladly leave this to you and your pride.


Dear yaya2

I, and many others, are remembering this whole situation in prayer daily, just as you... Yet, we are dealing with the free will / disobedience issues that go all the way back to the garden of eden here... Man's free will vs. GOD's never changing divine will. We know who will win / lose in the end.

Your comment about the lion gave me a giggle, because, I remembered hearing some how, some where, about a Lion in a childrens fable that symbolized the Lion of Judea. It may have been in the Narnia book, where ever, it went something like this...

Background discussion:
(concerning the LION in the story, (symbolism of The Lion of Judea)…)

Asker: Is HE safe?
Answerer: No, but HE is good…

I kind of like Lion symbolism, and the biblical men and women with Jesus Christ loving hearts that are strong as Lions... I kind of like running with that "pride" of fellow believers, whatever church they go to, even when they tell me the truth...

Quote:
Name calling is hardly presenting articles or commenting on them. The reason I ask for prayer is that I do fear the final coffin nail is about to be used and I am praying for the primates and courage.


Yep, it is quickly coming down to decision time.

Before that final coffin nail is used,
It is past time to have decided,

Do I want to be in the box?
or out of that box?


Hang on to the faith, dear sister in Christ,
God will not be mocked,
That which a man plants will be that which he reaps... Then, those that sow unrepentant evil,
will find out finally,
that the good Lion,
is not "safe" for them at all...

Peace of the Lord,
truthseekr
Truthseekr
Posted: 2007/2/18 17:02  Updated: 2007/2/18 17:02
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Quote:
Poster: MicroCar Posted: 2007/2/17 12:39:38

You reference..."when you leave this earth"...?


Hi MicroCar,
I must have missed part of this trail of postings.

Are you saying that Anglicans
do not believe in a literal rapture of the Church in the future, either pre, mid, or post trib?

If so, this is news to me.
and to at least one of the remaining orthodox bishops who I got the chance to ask that question to personally...

thx
truthseekr
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