David,

I think I speak for most readers of this site in thanking you for the excellent job you do. I continue to be amazed at the volume of high quality writing you and your team produce, often on short notice.

We know you are a reliable source of information and tens of thousands of Anglicans and other Christians around the world turn to you as a primary source. And we do appreciate the fact that you're working under great challenges in reporting the news from Tanzania.

THANK YOU for your phenomenal website!

As Romans has said: Many concur and pray for this ministry.
"Non compare", I call it.

But all must wait.

And wait we shall.

The time line (continuum) of this meeting AND BEYOND, is what becomes important. Let this Instrument of Unity have its hour to deliberate and to do its work.

This cannot be separated from the 'real time' that awaits it and us, when they are done.

For my part, I believe that the GS Primates and their supporters are far from finished. All camps are far from finished. What impacts them will in due course impact us.

God is at the helm, and all participants will do as they will. This includes 'separate', 'together', or 'otherwise'.

All will be made clear in the fullness of time, even as godly people, parishes, dioceses, and Provinces do what they MUST, when all is said and done.

These are glorious days for us. Days of decision and consequence.

The brave "Seven", standing for Christ and "the faith once given", show a light (1John 1:5) from darkest Africa to contest the apostasy in TEC and that now (it appears) is joined by Canterbury.

No less brave is David Virtue and his partners that have also sustained the hope that TEC and the Communion will turn away from Sodom's error and the wrath commanded by God's revulsion against sin – and in this instance, a manifold and crushing corporate sin.

To hell with a religion that separates mankind from God. (Matt 23:13)

David: Thank you for all that you do.

Tanzania and TEC: TEC was given a pass on the first two, they will be given a pass on all remaining.

Just watch.

Gutless wonders...

Now let me see...TEC was once descibed by ++ Dr. Akinola and a panel of fellow physicians as a "cancerous lump". Apparently, KJS has gotten a second opinion in Tanzania and it turns out to be just an inflamed zit. "Just take a nice cup of tea and a scone and call me after Lambeth '08". One doesn't have to be in the majority to be courageous ++Peter. Actually not being in the majority , it seems to me, defines courage. Go out on a limb for once and do what must be done in the presence of your blue-blooded, weak kneed colleagues.

Prayer for our leaders is a requirement, but sometimes we are called from our prayers to give our leaders a swift kick in the tuckas.

"Everything in my bones says that we will be vindicated."

Why? What precisely that has occured in the past 30 years in TEC and the Anglican Communion gives you such a feeling? ++Akinola? He is one man, apparently flanked by six others. Apparently several other primates who asserted that they were in broken communion with TEC have reneged; i.e., the number of primates who are willing to stand up to TEC is dwindling and the number who are willing to acquiesce is rising - - just what the revisionists had foreseen as the result of their delaying and bribing.

lh

TEC = "The Ex-Church."

. . . something in my bones . . .

1. Plans long in the works are not brought to fruition, methinks. There has been too much overt manoevering for correction for all to come to naught.

2. Contributions made to the Primates directly have not yet been made public . . .


Too little too late? Maybe.
I continue to hold that the Fat Lady has yet to sing.

Besides, NOBODY and I mean NOBODY has a single clue as to what is going on. (And rightly so.) Even VOL is posting conjecture and nothing more.
(You're points are well taken, though, lh.)

So, perhaps the occasional peek at the website is all that is required at this time.

To bed, old ladies!

ZachD,

Perhaps restraint is indeed called for. I don't wish to pounce on others' hopes and you're right that there's a lot we don't know. I will pray today for the prayers of those traditional Anglicans to be answered favorably.

God bless,
lh

I do not know why anyone should be surprised or upset at the behavior of the archbishops. It has been obvious for a long time that the laity will have to move the church or abandon it. At this point, abandonment seems the best choice because there is certainly no practical help at the top. Unreasoning hope must give way to reality.

All of us now have a clear picture of the intrigues and machinations of the clergy. We will either remain with and accept the revisionist secular socialism that masquerades as religion or return to our Christian roots. That is the choice confronting each and every member of the laity.

The primates of the Anglican Communion have no mechanism for correcting, censuring, or expelling members... it's all up to the ABC & ABY, and the ABC clearly wants to keep everyone at the table and kick the ball down the road as far as possible.

The primates can declare broken communion. They can offer jurisdictional oversight to refuge parishes. That's it... <i>and they've already done it</i>.

PECUSA will not change from its apostasy. The revisionists have spent 40 years getting control of the intitution and undermining the faith. They don't intend to stop now... and anything the primates say will be given just as much genuine obedience as the Windsor report -- i.e. nothing more than dishonest lipservice.


The fact remains that <b>you either stay with the apostates or you leave PECUSA</b> -- ultimately, there's no other way, and the 'middle ground' is shrinking fast.

And, of course, the fact also remains that many Episcopalians will sit around and moan about the situation... and do nothing about getting out of communion with the apostates and will remain yoked to the unbelievers... just as they always have since the Continuing Churches first raised the alarm and urged people, for their spiritual & sacramental safety, to move.


I think it was ++Akinola who observed that it's up to Episcopalians to take a stand and that they couldn't always be looking to someone else -- the ABC, the GS primates, the AC -- to do it for them. That remains true.


pax,
LP

If we have been sold out for a "mess of pottage," as I'm beginning to suspect we have, then I see no choice for our diocese....San Joaquin....but to leave TEC. As a delegate, I will again vote FOR last December's resolution at our next diocesan convention....which could conceivably be held earlier than October.

I'm not saying that it will happen....but the vote could come at a special convention if Bishop Schofield decides that it's necessary to call for one.

Cennydd

The Primates brought many things to the table in Dar es Salaam: their briefcases, their pectoral crosses, their Blackberries and their Zuchettas.

Too bad they forgot to bring their testosterone.

Nothing will happen as a result of this "meeting" -- no APO, no new province, no discipline for TEC, no covenants, nothing at all. Years from now people on this blog will be talking about the same things: "just wait until Lambeth 2018! Then something's REALLY going to happen! You'll see! Then the realignment is really going to get started. For sure!!

I just LOVE that story . . .

Anglican split ‘now definitely almost imminent’

News Analysis
Our Special Correspondent reports from under a dining-room table at the White Sands Hotel in Dar es Salaam

THE Anglican Communion is nearly virtually teetering on the brink of an imminent schism, with the Global South routing the revisionist provinces. This has become abundantly clear from significant developments on the third day of the Primates’ hysterical meeting in Dar es Salaam.

Signs of a split were in the air yesterday when Archbishop Peter Akinola, head of the hugely powerful church in Nigeria, snubbed Presiding Bi-Shop Katherine Schori, head of the cash-rich but doctrinally- and membership-impoverished TEC. The massively significant signal occurred during the afternoon break when Akinola took the last muffin from the plate, although it was clear that Mrs Schori wanted it.

“This is obviously a sign that the Global South has had enough,” one informed source close to the African Primates said. “In African culture, it’s considered extremely impolite not to let visitors have the choice of the food at the bottom of the pot. Clearly, Akinola was telling Schori something.”

Although some have tried to play down the incident, saying Akinola had had no idea that Mrs Schori wanted the muffin, another source told this correspondent that he definitely overheard her saying to Australian Archbishop Phillip Aspinall, “I could really enjoy having a second muffin with my coffee.”

Seconds later, as Mrs Schori turned in the direction of the table, Akinola, who was standing next to it, reached down and took the last muffin on the plate.

Meanwhile, tensions nearly came to a head on the second day of the meeting when African Primates and those from the Global North disagreed over where the morning and afternoon refreshments should be served.

“The African Primates, led by Akinola, wanted to have tea and coffee in the lounge, but Mrs Schori and some other Northern Primates said it should be on the terrace,” a source reported.

“The inside-versus-outside dispute clearly reflects the different approaches to theology in the Communion,” the source continued. “Revisionists are more open to outside influences, while the orthodox are closed in by traditional understandings of faith and doctrine.”

However, schism was averted after a specially created Refreshments Location Working Group, comprising one representative each from Uganda, Rwanda, New Zealand and Canada, as well as the head of catering at the White Sands Hotel, held emergency discussions throughout the night.

The following morning, at a hastily convened press conference, Archbishop Rowan Williams announced that a compromise had been agreed to whereby the morning break refreshments would be served inside and those for the afternoon break, outside.

“It’s an historic compromise and a sign of our commitment to a process of listening to each other’s fears and pain,” Canon Gregory Cameron of the Anglican Consultative Council, told the conference.

Signs of an imminent schism have been fuelled by the recent release of a report by the Cast in Fudge Working Group’s Sub-Sub-Committee to Consider a Possible Sharply Worded Statement that Might Say Something Slightly Negative about Some of the Things the Episcopal Church Has Been Doing of Late.

Somewhat disappointingly for the orthodox in North America, the sub-sub-committee’s report does not in any way take TEC to task for its recent decision to ordain a practising kiddie-fiddling Satanist. But, in a highly significant development, on page 507 of the report’s 600-page appendix, the sub-sub-committee says: “There might be, in some circles in the sand on a beach not yet determined, a slight propensity to view TEC’s actions as possibly giving rise to an understandable feeling of dissatisfaction, perhaps even unhappiness.”

This sentence is a clear sign that the Archbishop of Canterbury may be forced to inch closer to accepting the Working Group’s view that the only way out of the impasse facing the Communion is to allow orthodox parishes in TEC to have their own mailing addresses separate from liberal diocesan offices.

“It’s a major step forward,” said one source close to the sub-sub-committee’s tea-lady’s second cousin. “You can really feel that the tension has been ratcheted up a notch.”

The separate mailing address plan was hammered out when the Primates met in closed session in Britney Spears’ Las Vegas apartment in November last year (the so-called Baby, One More Talk-shop Meeting). The plan is aimed at preventing liberal bishops overhearing orthodox rectors make slightly disparaging remarks about the state of TEC when they visit their diocesan offices.

Rectors who “have the mutters” have become a major source of tension in the ever-fragmenting TEC, with hard-line revisionist Bishop Charles Bennison threatening to sentence any rectors caught making nasty comments to a weekend retreat with Louie Crew.

“A weekend with Crew will take these fundamentalists to a deeper place,” an unnamed sauce in Bennison’s office said at the time.

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A weekend with screwie louie - Oh God have mercy! I can't bear to even think about the implications...

Just makes one want to hurl - GAGGGGHHH!!!