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News : HARTFORD, CT: Episcopal Church's First Openly Gay Bishop Sees Purpose to it all
Posted by David Virtue on 2007/1/25 17:40:00 (2460 reads)

HARTFORD, CT: Episcopal Church's First Openly Gay Bishop Sees A Higher Purpose To The Debate

By JOEL LANG
The Hartford Courant
January 23 2007

Gene Robinson, the openly gay Episcopal bishop at the center of the rift over homosexuality that has led some Virginia parishes to align themselves with the Anglican Church of Nigeria, stopped in Hartford Monday to deliver a message of reconciliation for the church and some news about himself.

"I believe with my whole heart that the Archbishop of Nigeria [Peter Akinola] and I are going to be in heaven together. And we're going to get along together, because God won't have it any other way. So we better start practicing now," Robinson said at a luncheon attended by a dozen local church leaders at Real Art Ways.

He was responding to a plea from The Very Rev. Mark Pendleton, dean of Christ Church Cathedral in Hartford, who told Robinson, "You've been demonized by so many. ... How do you help me to not demonize others?"

Looking at ease in gray slacks and a blue fleece vest worn unzipped over a burgundy shirt, Robinson, 59, said he received 500 to 600 e-mails a day, both angry and supportive, after he was elected Bishop of New Hampshire in 2003, the event that ignited revolts by some conservative parishes, including a group known as the Connecticut Six.

"I think everybody is doing the best we can. We're all trying to figure life out," Robinson said.

"The thing that has sustained me through all this is God has seemed so very close that prayer has seemed almost redundant. ... Sometimes God calms the storm and sometimes God lets the storm rage, and calms the child."

Personally, "I couldn't be happier. I think that's the best revenge," he said.

He said his 15,000-member diocese was healthy, but the news he seemed most eager to relay was that immediately after the luncheon he was leaving for the Sundance Film Festival, where a documentary film, featuring his story and those of four other gay families, has been nominated for a grand jury prize.

Titled "For the Bible Tells Me So," it is about families split by their beliefs about homosexuality and Scripture. He said his own parents talked more openly to the filmmaker than they had to him after his own announcement at age 39 that he was gay and getting divorced.

At the end of the luncheon, Robinson hugged the host, Bishop John Selders of the Amistad United Church of Christ, and said, "If I miss my plane to Sundance, I'm going to hold you all responsible."

In an interview before the luncheon, sitting on the edge of the stage in the Real Art Ways cinema, Robinson said the media has exaggerated the strength and importance of the small minority of parishes at odds with the national church's liberal stance on homosexuality.

The parishes are "seeking to get themselves recognized as the true expression of Anglicanism in this country and not inconsequentially get the Episcopal Church - I don't know what the word is - unrecognized as that legitimate expression. And I think they are using more conservative churches around the globe to support that claim," he said.

"In a world facing 40 million people dying of AIDS and an increasing gap between rich and poor, this seems like a waste of our time and energy, debating the rightness and wrongness of gay and lesbian people and their relationships," he said.

"I think it breaks God's heart that we would be focusing on such an internal issue, instead of focusing upon the world which, as I understand it, Jesus called us to."

Robinson said the division over homosexuality is not much different from an earlier split over ordaining women priests.

"Let's face it, I believe God is doing a new thing in the world. I don't just see civil forces at work in terms of increasing acceptance of gay and lesbian people. I see God's hand at work there, and I believe we are joining God in that work in terms of this debate within the church," he said.

Contact Joel Lang at jlang@courant.com.

Copyright 2007, Hartford Courant

FOOTNOTE: The Sundance Festival is also showing a movie called ZOO about bestiality.

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Hatherly
Posted: 2007/1/25 20:59  Updated: 2007/1/25 20:59
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 Re: HARTFORD, CT: Episcopal Church's First Openly Gay B
I guess Bishop Robinson is right, he will be in heaven with Peter Akinola, but while Peter A is enjoying the company of Jesus in holiness and joy, Gene will be still at the gate trying to argue his way past Peter with all his excuses for his life style, the outcome of which is very uncertain at that point.
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Posted: 2007/1/25 21:56  Updated: 2007/1/25 21:58
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 Re: HARTFORD, CT: Episcopal Church's First Openly Gay B
Robinson's narcissism is quite over the top. His religion is mere projection: God is what I want him to be. Now, of course Feuerbach (methinks) argued just that and Freud after him. But at least they didn't appear to believe in their projections. Robinson wants us to accept that he does. Has he ever been confronted by the dishonesty of his position? Well, if so, he ain't saying. Would I be guilty of excessive cynicism to comment with regard to this and other such bizarre manifestations if I were to suggest that perhaps the money is too good?
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Posted: 2007/1/25 22:00  Updated: 2007/1/25 22:00
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Quote:
Personally, "I couldn't be happier. I think that's the best revenge," he said.


Didn't someone once say, "Vengence is mine"?
daveball
Posted: 2007/1/25 22:18  Updated: 2007/1/25 22:18
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In an interview before the luncheon, sitting on the edge of the stage in the Real Art Ways cinema, Robinson said the media has exaggerated the strength and importance of the small minority of parishes at odds with the national church's liberal stance on homosexuality.

Small minority? Maybe he meant to say rising tide. This is typical state of denial thinking. TEC will soon be no more and the importance of what is going on is "exagerated"?

It is kind of funny hearing a liberal blame exageration on the media. Exactly which media is this? The "vast right wing conspiracy" press?

Vicky is even stupider than I thought. Hope he has fun with all his "buddies" out at the Sundance gay-fest. Hope the screens for his film are rear projection.
Guardian
Posted: 2007/1/25 22:31  Updated: 2007/1/25 22:31
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 Re: HARTFORD, CT: Episcopal Church's First Openly Gay B
"I believe with my whole heart that the Archbishop of Nigeria [Peter Akinola] and I are going to be in heaven together."

No Bp. Robinson, as with everything thing else in your life, you are wrong again.
Fisherman
Posted: 2007/1/25 22:50  Updated: 2007/1/25 22:50
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 Re: HARTFORD, CT: Episcopal Church's First Openly Gay B
On advice of the Holy Spirit, I have no comment.
Isaac
Posted: 2007/1/25 23:03  Updated: 2007/1/25 23:03
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Saint Augustine said "Hate the sin, love the sinner."

I am having a REALLY hard time with that second part.

Isaac
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Posted: 2007/1/25 23:19  Updated: 2007/1/25 23:19
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Robinson is the poster boy for lefty Christianity. Feed the body, ignore the soul. Marxist materialism flows through his veins.

People are dying so just ignore the fact I'm condemning people to eternal damnation by tying their sould to their passions that weigh them down like lead. The body passes away, the soul lives beyond the grave.

An Orthodox priest once gave me the expression, "The road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops."
Anonymous
Posted: 2007/1/25 23:23  Updated: 2007/1/25 23:23
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God's peace. "Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea, than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin."
Blessings, ~Br_Carlo~
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Posted: 2007/1/25 23:52  Updated: 2007/1/25 23:52
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> We're all trying to figure life out,"
> Robinson said

Those of us who listen to the Word of God and try to live according to it do not find life EXCEEDINGLY difficult to figure out. After all, we figure, the Author of life is the One who can tell us what life is about.

Of course, if you don't like the answers that you find in the Word of God (like for instance: "your inclinations are disordered, Gene, you must resist them and stay with your wife") then you have to look for answers elsewhere. And there is where the difficulties begin...
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Yes, VGR, I see a purpose to it all too, but it definetely is not the same purpose you imagine.

"Looking at ease in gray slacks and a blue fleece vest worn unzipped over a burgundy shirt,.." What rag is this? Gentlemen's quarterly? Women's wear? Cosmo? The line is gratuitously hilarious.

"said he received 500 to 600 e-mails a day ... after he was elected Bishop of New Hampshire"
Yes, for two days in a row. Now, he gets two e-mails a day and one is from his home pc and other from a spammer.

"My happiness is my best revenge." Upon whom are you venting this revenge, VGR - why, who and what do you hate so much that you seek revenge?

"If I miss my plane to Sundance, I'm going to hold you all responsible." Yes, he will miss the movie Zoo about that other new thing that will be next year's cause celebre in TEC. After all, if humans do it then its part of us, or something like that, or so said the film maker, and, if its part of us well, it must be from.....

"I see God's hand at work there, and I believe we are joining God in that work in terms of this debate within the church.." Debate? This is a debate? He must be smoking something as, he gave up the drinking, they said.

VGR clearly lives in a fantasy world and there is no getting him out of it.

Lord, have mercy.
C
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> Robinson said the division over homosexuality is not much
> different from an earlier split over ordaining women priests.

Robinson is right. The split is similar because the issue is the same. The issue is: do we recognize that, according to physical evidence and the Word of God, there are two different sexes with different rights, duties, roles and abilities? Or do we suppose that the two sexes are equivalent and interchangeable (apart from some insignificant anatomical differences that can be eliminated with surgery or sidestepped by the use of alternative openings)?

Feminism and homosexuality are not different issues. They are just two facets of the same diabolic crystal. Both are outrages to Nature and abominations in the eyes of the Maker of Nature.
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Posted: 2007/1/26 1:33  Updated: 2007/1/26 1:33
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"Robinson said the division over homosexuality is not much different from an earlier split over ordaining women priests."

No, No, No. And I know this is not the "party line" on this web site--so please forgive me for disenting from the rest of my much-respected orthodox brothers and sisters.

The desperate claim of the gay lobby is that this whole charade is tied to "discrimination" against innocent parties who can't "help" the choices they make.

Well, sorry, but I discrimiate every day. Today I discrimiated by buying groceries that were "on sale" instead of paying "full price." Often, I discriminate against drug dealers by telling my teenagers that drugs are not a good way to deal with the issues in their lives. Tommorrow, I will probably "discrimiate" against a premium coffee company by opting not to drink the "latte grande" and then putting the $3 in the plate on Sunday.

Gene, try as you might, some of us will continue to understand WO as a mere shift in Church tradition and ordination of gay priests as an accomodation to Satan and Satan's idolatry.

Shalom, everyone! That is the new TEC motto, isn't it?
Causidicus
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Hello Mark:

Shalom? The new TEC motto? Are you sure? I could almost swear she said "maelstrom" was the motto.

Causidicus
billyum
Posted: 2007/1/26 5:17  Updated: 2007/1/26 5:17
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Perhaps the "higher purpose," in this case, is to separate those who can't or don't conceive of any greater values than "inclusiveness" or "diversity" from those who can and do.
mathman
Posted: 2007/1/26 10:16  Updated: 2007/1/26 10:16
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This is just too good to pass up.
Robinson believes with his whole heart? What did he believe when he married his wife (before they divorced)? What did he believe when first ordained a Deacon?
How does he know that ++Akinola is going to heaven? Have they spoken about this?
Or maybe he (Robinson) has already talked to God and found out that everything is OK.

It is so special that he looked at ease (described as if he were a supermodel).

And he has life figured out pretty good. Just break your vows. Just ignore that nasty old Bible. It doesn't matter anyway. God is so close to him. Which God? Or is one permitted to ask?

The whole point of the First Commandment is that there are lots of gods out there. The Amalekites had one. The followers of Moloch had another. The queen of heaven was yet another. Those opposed to Elijah certainly belived with their whole hearts that they were serving God. Their God just couldn't deliver the fire to accept the sacrifice. Oh well.

Even Jesus acknowledged that there would be false Christs and false Messiahs. You could look that one up, if you have not been obedient to GC2006 and trashed your NT.

So the media have exaggerated the importance of the small minority of parishes opposed to Queer Nation? Come on, these are Episcopalians we are talking about! Episcopalians have an inheritance by blood of a stiff upper lip. I apologize for being a bit political here. Richard Nixon had a videotaping once, walking along the seashore. He was all dressed up. He was not paying attention, and a wave surged over his immaculately shined shoes. What did he do? Just kept walking, as if his shoes were not full of water! Episcopalians can carry on in the most amazing disasters.

The point is that to get any response at all from Episcopalians is miraculous. What Vicki Gene does not get is that any response is surprising; a response to the degree that parishes disaffiliate with TEC is like an earthquake with Richter magnitude 10 or a Category 6 hurricane.

And God is not doing a new thing. Satan is doing his regular old thing. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah?
Anonymous
Posted: 2007/1/26 14:56  Updated: 2007/1/26 14:56
 Re: HARTFORD, CT: Episcopal Church's First Openly Gay B
Saith VGR,

*We're all trying to figure life out*...

Er...Ummm, you mean to tell us that you ain't figured life out yet???

BTW - WHO IS *WE*???

Don't even presume to think that you speak for others.

Be gone, thou offspring of a viper.
Fiona
Posted: 2007/1/26 23:08  Updated: 2007/1/26 23:08
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He said his 15,000-member diocese was healthy, but the news he seemed most eager to relay was that immediately after the luncheon he was leaving for the Sundance Film Festival, where a documentary film, featuring his story and those of four other gay families, has been nominated for a grand jury prize.

I thought he was going to the festival to see how he could work in the cutting-edge theology of "Zoo" into the next Blessing of the Animals.

Fiona
(who can't believe she posted the above. Mea culpa)
Fiona
Posted: 2007/1/26 23:10  Updated: 2007/1/26 23:10
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Robinson said the division over homosexuality is not much different from an earlier split over ordaining women priests.

And furthermore, Gywin, the Welsh corgi and I, take offense.

Fiona
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