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Exclusives : TEXAS: Episcopal Seminary of the Southwest Faces Kairos Moment
Posted by David Virtue on 2007/1/10 17:10:00 (5645 reads)

EPISCOPAL SEMINARY OF THE SOUTHWEST FACES KAIROS MOMENT

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
1/10/2007

The Episcopal Theological Seminary of the Southwest (ETSS) faces an uncertain future with declining student enrollment, a significant deficit, and failure to address its resources will result in the death of the institution.

The Rev. Dr. Philip Turner interim Dean and President of the Seminary, made his state-of-the-seminary comments to the Board of Trustees recently, and said unless ETSS embraced a 10 to 15-year future, the seminary would fold. "I can think of one that is about to collapse and two that were forced to merge and become a small program within a much larger institution," he told the Trustees.

Looking at the bottom line, Turner said the seminary could handle 100 full-time and 50 part-time students, but current enrollment this year was only 104. "We are way too small to survive in the competitive market we now face - 11 seminaries and 600 students in the system." Turner pointed out that its seminaries faced stiff competition from such recognized Episcopal seminaries and divinity schools like Duke and Harvard, Princeton and Perkins.

"I draw from these numbers the conclusion that we have to find a way to grow and become a major draw or we will become an also-ran - the second or third choice among the members of a small, even shrinking, pool of applicants." Turner said the seminary would have to compete "head to head" or face the consequences.

Turner told the Trustees that they had to, within the next five years have a program that matches other institutions, but urged them to consider closer ecumenical links with Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary and Lutheran Seminary programs in the Southwest. He also urged links with the new Dept. of Religious Studies at UT.

Financially, Turner said the seminary needed a more adequate endowment for the support of scholarships, and faculty/staff salaries. "The sad fact is that The Episcopal Church now seems unable to support theological education through the resources of dioceses and parishes. What this means is that we lose students because other institutions can out-bid us. It also means we that we have too few administrative staff and we have an over-worked faculty."

Turner said the institution could not sustain the present situation indefinitely. He said the seminary did not have adequate housing for married students who have no children; the library was too small and too old, and more adequate space was needed to house administration. He said $3 million was needed, but only $1 million had been raised to date towards the Rather House project.

Turner said ETSS needed a board that had the capability of securing a better financial base for the institution.

"ETSS stands at a watershed in its history. If it looks ahead with confidence and thinks with boldness, it will become a powerhouse for The Episcopal Church, this area of the country and the Diocese of Texas. If it does not, it will fade."

In August of 2005 Dr. Turner got a letter from an alumnus the Rev. Gene Bogan (with two degrees from ETSS) asking him how he would deal with the "embedded evil" at the seminary which allows same-sex cohabiting. Turner wrote back saying he would make every effort to exercise godly leadership in this place that Bogan, an orthodox Episcopal priest, got fired in the 60's by his liberal bishop for taking up the civil rights cause and never got reinstated. When VOL spoke with Bogan, he said no changes were made.

The Director of Administration and Registrar of Nashotah House in Nashotah, Wisconsin, an Episcopal Anglo-Catholic seminary reports an upswing in student enrollment. Dr. Carol Klukas told VOL that Nashotah had 60 residential students, 17 in a distance learning program plus a summer program of 15 students. "We have nearly doubled our student intake from 35 students in three years. We could go to 90, but we have more families than we can accommodate on campus." The seminary is also functioning on a sound financial footing.

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LouB32
Posted: 2007/1/11 0:33  Updated: 2007/1/11 0:33
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 Re: EPISCOPAL SEMINARY OF THE SOUTHWEST FACES KAIROS MOMENT
I knew there was some reason that Nashota House had never responded to two inquiries I've sent them about looking for conservative graduates/students who might be interested in our small Kentucky congregation...

Trinity responded immediately both times to the same request.

Guess Nashota House is just too busy.
Smoke
Posted: 2007/1/11 3:07  Updated: 2007/1/11 3:07
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 Re: EPISCOPAL SEMINARY OF THE SOUTHWEST FACES KAIROS MOMENT
LouB:

What was your request to Nashotah House and who did you speak to? Being a Trustee, we get numerous requests for sound, Catholic parish priest graduates to be placed in a congregations, as we may be the last seminary to produce them in this country.

Blessings,
Smoke+
btaylor
Posted: 2007/1/11 12:21  Updated: 2007/1/12 11:01
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 Re: EPISCOPAL SEMINARY OF THE SOUTHWEST FACES KAIROS MOMENT
I graduated from ETSS more than 20 years ago. Coming out of the Diocese of Dallas, I was astonished to find that "Priestly Formation" was being totally ignored by the faculty. When I asked about priestly formation, I was told that ETSS was there to provide academic preperation, not priestly formation. I was told that I would have to find that sort of thing elsewhere. By the time I graduated it was obvious why the faculty didn't address priestly formation. It was outside their area of expertise.

Looking back, I think some of our professors may have been Christian though. The Ethics professor who had an affair with one of my classmates was probably a Christian. We were all just glad his affair was with a female.

The Theology professor who told us that no thinking person could possibly believe in a literal Incarnation or Resurrection may not have been a Christian. But, I recall that on a few occasions he was still sober enough at the end of the day to drive himself home without student assistance. That should count for something!

Those of us who sometimes got to class early would find the New Testament professor praying to Buddah. He told us that we all had a lot to learn from the Buddists.

The Dean once preached that Jesus had his life taken from him at the height of his career. Later, when advised that Jesus said, "No one takes my life from me. I lay it down of my own accord" the Dean got a puzzled look on his face and said, "Is that in there?"

I could go on and on, but what would be the point? In my opinion the problem is, and always has been a theologically liberal faculty, none of whom believe in the authority of scripture.

In the late 1980's ETSS was in serious financial straits. Baker Duncan, an investment banker and nationally known Faith Alive leader from San Antonio became the Development Officer and saved the seminary. Maybe he should have let it die. Maybe Phil should let it die now.

The Watchman
lapittengr
Posted: 2007/1/11 12:35  Updated: 2007/1/11 12:35
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Quote:
we may be the last seminary to produce them in this country


Not quite...

http://www.anglicanpck.org/seminary/

... though, of course, that's an Anglican seminary, not an Episcopal one.

pax,
LP
Anonymous
Posted: 2007/1/11 13:20  Updated: 2007/1/11 13:20
 Re: TEXAS: Episcopal Seminary of the Southwest Faces Kairos
God's judgement on ETSS is being served. Let us learn to realize by what is happening at ETSS that there is NO COMPROMISING with God.
DnNeal
Posted: 2007/1/11 17:15  Updated: 2007/1/11 17:15
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lapittengr

Thanks for including the link to St Joseph's. The recording of compline from their chapel is beautiful.

Neal
gregory
Posted: 2007/1/11 17:21  Updated: 2007/1/11 17:21
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 Re: EPISCOPAL SEMINARY OF THE SOUTHWEST FACES KAIROS MOMENT
Neal, yes indeed, thanks for pointing it out i had missed it but am listening right now as background.

AMEN!

gregory
MDEddy
Posted: 2007/1/12 19:11  Updated: 2007/1/12 19:11
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 Re: TEXAS: Episcopal Seminary of the Southwest Faces Kairos
There's a problem with seeing this as God's judgment: I'm a current student at ETSS, and (under Bishop Wimberly's leadership) the pendulum is swinging the other way from what this article implies. When I started, the faculty was much more liberal than it is now. The current theology professor is a Radical Orthodox, while the former theology professor was a hard-left feminist. Turnovers in OT, Liturgy, Contextual Theology (Field Ministry), and in the Dean have all brought us into a place that is more consistent with the church as a whole (many liberal, several conservative, all willing to talk to one another). We aren't all the way to orthodox and, given that we're in Texas, we'll probably never be Anglo-Catholic by any stretch of the imagination, but we're better than some of the posters with twenty-year-old memories of the place have implied.

I'm not privy to any of the specifics that are talked about in the article, but we are not in as dire a position as outlined. We don't have as many MDiv students, true, but that's being made up for by international students, one-year certificate students (those who are transferring in from other denominations), and other non-traditional degrees (M.Theo, MA Counseling, MA Practical Ministry, etc.) all of which are on the rise. Last year's graduating class was the largest in many years. I'll acknowledge that there are continuing problems with the physical plant and student housing both, but those are problems I understand Nashotah House also has.
exepis
Posted: 2007/1/12 19:20  Updated: 2007/1/12 19:23
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The way btaylor describes ETSS sounds a lot like SWTS, Evanston, twenty some years ago.

Let's see, there was the orge that took place between some students, student spouses, faculty spouses and faculty members one year complete with mate swapping;

There was the pot smoking professor and his spouse who with several students also smoking pot had to be quite pointedly asked to leave a party by a good friend and his wife being held in their "on the block" apartment;

There were two professors who had affairs and left their spouses without any consequences to their careers; and had no just grounds to leave their healthy, sensible, emotional whole spouses;

There were the sizeable number of active gay and lesbian members of the student body;

There were the professors, not quite all, that did not take the creed literaly and really had no use for orthodox Christianity;

There was the dean of admissions who, though a subjective Schlieremacher-feeling oriented charismatic, was already strongly pushing the homosexual acceptance agenda then; and his reward was to go on and become cardinal rector of a corporate size parish, and then a bishop (only recently retired);

There was the dean forced out for administrative incompetence;

There was no real instruction in any courses on the real nuts and bolts of parish ministry, such as preaching, parish administration,youth ministry, fund-raising, let alone instruction in theology courses on the real content of the Christian faith even from an Anglican/Episcopal perspective; and the liturgy courses were weak and superficial;

There was instead a lot of emphasis on CPE (fine in itself) and participating in a lot of touchy-feely groups that resulted in a number of questionable behaviors among student participants;

And, there was the bishop who told a junior student he would do well to get rid of his faithful, orthodox wife because she would be a liability to his ministry in a contemporary Episcopal parish; the student did just as the bishop directed.

Of course, none of the above have anything to do with the problems that have now come to full fruit in the Episcopal Church and its final abandonment of orthodox Christianity and classical, historic Anglicanism.
gregory
Posted: 2007/1/13 12:35  Updated: 2007/1/13 12:35
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MDEddy, Welcome to VOL. Thank you for posting.

exepis, Welcome to VOL. Thank you for posting.

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Smoke
Posted: 2007/1/15 13:50  Updated: 2007/1/15 13:50
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 Re: EPISCOPAL SEMINARY OF THE SOUTHWEST FACES KAIROS MOMENT
Dear LP:

"a nationwide body of Christian Churches dedicated to maintaining traditional Episcopalian faith and practice in the United States."

They should start by redoing their homepage as there is no such thing as "Episcopalian faith" but only the Catholic Faith of the Historic Church. That is what Nashotah House teaches alongside the Authority of Holy Scripture. My point? Don't try to recapture a period of time that was good in the Church; learn the REAL thing: the Catholic Faith. It can and is practiced outside of Rome too!

Blessings,
Smoke+
lapittengr
Posted: 2007/1/15 14:12  Updated: 2007/1/15 14:12
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Quote:
They should start by redoing their homepage as there is no such thing as "Episcopalian faith" but only the Catholic Faith of the Historic Church.


Talk to any of the APCK priests or bishops and they'll say exactly this -- there is only the catholic faith of the undivided Church.

One issue which often comes up is how to "identify" a church or group (be it on a webpage, a church board, etc) in a quick "soundbyte" so people know who/what they are and whether or not to read on.

More folks in the U.S. recognize "Episcopal", as that's their most likely contact with Anglicanism. I expect that that was the decision about what to put on the page -- how do we most effectively communicate, in one sentence, to a passing American web-surfer, what we are. Once you've made that identification and gotten your audience, you can go on to explain that it really is a question of the one, holy, catholic & apostolic church in the Anglican tradition.

Still, given the increased attention to Anglican matters in the press etc, I wouldn't be too surprised if one of the next times the page is updated/revised that would change to Anglican.

pax,
LP
Anonymous
Posted: 2007/1/15 16:38  Updated: 2007/1/15 16:38
 Re: EPISCOPAL SEMINARY OF THE SOUTHWEST FACES KAIROS MOMENT
lapittengr wrote:
"More folks in the U.S. recognize 'Episcopal' ..."

WADR, yeah, they recognize it. Try this out. Ask some people you don't know if they know what the Episcopal Church is. If you're really gutsy, you can do this in a shopping mall. You'll get a lot of responses like "Oh, that's that homosexual church, isn't it?" The name "Episcopal" is poison--the kiss of death. In the public's mind, they might as well just go ahead and merge with the Metropolitan "church."

Blessings,

wopriest+
lapittengr
Posted: 2007/1/15 17:55  Updated: 2007/1/15 17:55
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 Re: EPISCOPAL SEMINARY OF THE SOUTHWEST FACES KAIROS MOMENT
which is what I meant when I suggested that given the new associations with "Episcopal", it'll probably be changed soon.

Yet even so, "traditional Episcopal" still probably communicates the basics to many better than other phrases which would need parsing/explanation. There are lots of folks out there to whom "Anglican" means, if anything, a church in England, but who understand what "Episcopal" means. And to whom "traditional Episcopal" is more comprehensible than "orthodox and catholic in the Anglican tradition" -- even if that's not the case for those of us who comment on blogs like this.

Still, there's an email/comments link on the seminary's pages and y'all could always drop them a note and ask them directly...

pax,
LP

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Saint Joseph of Arimathea Anglican Theological College, in Berkeley, California, is the seminary of the Anglican Province of Christ the King, a nationwide body of Christian Churches dedicated to maintaining traditional Episcopalian faith and practice in the United States.
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