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Exclusives : TEC: Political Correctness Is Ill-Disguised Intolerance by Church Leaders
Posted by David Virtue on 2006/11/27 14:00:00 (5236 reads)

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS ILL-DISGUISED INTOLERANCE BY TEC LEADERS

News Analysis

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
11/27/2006

The politically correct agenda of The Episcopal Church is being used to shut orthodox people up under the guise of tolerance when, in fact, liberals and revisionists tolerate anything except those they disagree with.

Consider the following.

A godly Anglo-Catholic and evangelical priest from the Diocese of San Joaquin is duly elected the new Bishop of South Carolina. Within days of his clear win-on-the-first-ballot victory, a group calling themselves Via Media, announce that they think he is unsuitable for the job and write letters to the church's bishops demanding that they refuse him consents. Lawrence's sin? He is a true believer who is not buying into sodomy, homogenital priests and same-sex unions fictitiously disguised as 'gay marriage'.

They laughingly raise the issue of his "manner of life", without seeing the incongruity that the duly elected homogenital Bishop of New Hampshire V. Gene Robinson's "manner of life" might, at the very minimum, be questionable. Heaven forbid that anyone should question the new darling of the left's surrogate for sexual dysfunction.

So the Via Media, a laughable knock-off of the true Via Media hope, and presumably pray, that Lawrence will not get consents, so they can, with their new found political clout, make sure that a "moderate" will get elected, and then begin their long drive to overturn the diocese's mostly orthodox clergy. Will it work? Time will tell.

Then a group of liberal/revisionist bishops in California go after the Anglo-Catholic bishop of San Joaquin John-David Schofield saying he "abandoned the communion" of the church and filed presentment charges at him. They were ultimately thrown out, but not before the good bishop had a few sleepless nights wondering what exactly he had "abandoned".

The irony is that it is the four or more bishops in California who have abandoned the faith, while it is Bishop John-David Schofield who is upholding it!

And more recently the new "pin stripe trousered" One (see the New York Times photo) Presiding Bishop, Mrs. Schori tells that same bishop if he thinks he can take his diocese out of the Episcopal Church he has another think coming.

She accused him of "spiritual violence" saying that he had taken vows three times over to uphold the "doctrine, discipline, and worship of the Episcopal Church!"

She then says, "If you now feel that you can no longer do so, the more honorable course would be to renounce your orders in this Church and seek a home elsewhere. Your public assertion that your duty is to violate those vows puts many, many people at hazard of profound spiritual violence. I urge you, as a pastor, to consider that hazard with the utmost gravity."

There is so much hubris here you could scrape it off a cathedral wall.

The truth is, there have been a growing number of bishops who have been doing "spiritual violence" to the Episcopal Church for the past 40 years including Pike, Spong, Walker, Charles, Robinson, Bennison, Shaw and Griswold, to name but a few, and their "spiritual violence" has lead to empty pews and now possibly, a departing diocese.

Spong's 12 Theses is a total departure from the "doctrine, discipline, and worship of the Episcopal Church" as to be laughably Unitarian, Pelagian and Gnostic all wrapped up in one package. And two presiding bishops, Browning and Griswold both turned a blind eye to him, with Griswold saying at one point, during his nine years, that Spong had actually brought people into the church with his inquiring mind, forgetting perhaps that he gutted his own diocese during his tenure at the Diocese of Newark.

Mrs. Schori links the doctrine and discipline of the church to property, a truly giant step forward into ecclesiastical thin air. Here is what she says: "As you contemplate this action (leaving the TEC), I would also remind you of the trust which you and I both hold for those who have come before and those who will come after us. None of us has received the property held by the Church today to use as we will. We have received it as stewards, for those who enjoy it today and those who will be blessed by the ministry its use will permit in the future."

So to uphold the doctrine and discipline of the church is to make sure that all properties remain in the TEC! Really. What a giant stretch of the imagination. Has any bishop or archbishop in history ever made such a claim? Is the Dennis Canon above Holy Scripture?

If what she says is true, what is Mrs. Schori going to say to, or do with, bishops like John W. Howe (Central Florida) or James Stanton (Dallas) who have already let parishes go without a fight, to other ecclesiastical jurisdictions? Why is she not writing to them? If these are diocesan matters, and properties are held in trust for the diocese and national church she will need to litigate against every diocese that has ever let a parish go without a fight.

Presumably dioceses like San Diego and Los Angeles are safe because they are litigating, often repeatedly, to keep or get back those parishes that have left the Episcopal Church.

Schori: "Our forebears did not build churches or give memorials with the intent that they be removed from the Episcopal Church. Nor did our forebears give liberally to fund endowments with the intent that they be consumed by litigation."

And the church's forbears would never have tolerated a Spong or Pike either. If they knew what was being preached from pulpits today they would roll over in their graves. Can you imagine the Rt. Rev. Samuel Seabury (1729 –1796), the first American Episcopal bishop and the second Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, USA, listening to the whine of a Louie Crew or V. Gene Robinson over legitimizing homoerotic behavior!

And who is doing most of the litigating? Would Mrs. Schori care to explain how J. Jon Bruno (Los Angeles) is repeatedly going after three parishes in his diocese and where the money is coming from, or that Charles Bennison, (Pennsylvania) a rank revisionist is selling closed churches and using the money to fund a war chest to go after two orthodox parishes!

And where was the victory for the Diocese of Pennsylvania in closing St. James the Less? Mrs. Schori's says properties are for "those who will be blessed by the ministry its use will permit in the future." The truth is there isn't going to be a future for that parish. The entire parish left with the priest. The doors of St. James have closed forever. Bennison's efforts to jump start the parish has already failed. He now has to pay for the church's upkeep, so Philadelphia's elite, who lie buried in the graveyard, are not disturbed by a church-turned-boutique.

The Executive Council recently appropriated $100,000 for the church's task force's work on fleeing parishes, with the group also obtaining a further $25,000 co-opted from an insurance company that could be used to help those liberal and revisionist diocesan priests go after orthodox priests and parishes.

And what will Mrs. Schori say to Bishop Peter James Lee (who has already cut a deal with one parish) when he cuts a deal with two multi-million dollar parish estates so he doesn't have to face endless litigation?

Will she be firing off threats of presentments to other orthodox bishops across the country that cut deals with fleeing parishes? Where will it all end? What will she do if Bishop Duncan says the Anglican Communion Network is now the formative unit of a 10th province if Global South Primates initiate a new structure for orthodox Episcopalians, that they promised to do in Kigali and reaffirmed in Virginia recently, and give Duncan the nod to go ahead under their protection. And guess what, they are not asking Rowan Williams for permission.

They probably realize that his visit with the Pope bombed and they have even less respect for him now. Is the Archbishop of York just waiting in the wings for the top job? A number of British commentators think so.

Mrs. Schori is clearly a continuation of Frank Griswold but in pin stripe trousers, and she has nailed her ultra-liberal colors to the TEC mast. She has no theology worth talking about. One priest described her theology as variously Pelagian, Marcion, Gnostic, Pluralistic and Universalist. She has reduced everything to Millennium Development Goals. One writer says Mrs. Schori has replaced the catholic notion of "faith once for all delivered" for a "faith du jour", and nobody has blinked.

But political correctness and its twin sister liberal intolerance was also visible over the issue of women's ordination. At first it was brokered in on the back of the Civil Right's movement without any theological work being done. Twenty five years later it is now mandatory, no bishop will ever obtain consents unless such a bishop approves. The consciences of Anglo-Catholic priests and some Evangelicals were simply stomped on.

The Rev. Dr. Laurie Thompson, Dean of the School of Doctoral Studies at the Ambridge, PA based Trinity School for Ministry said that while liberal bishops will not send their seminarians to be educated at T(E)SM they do accept graduates from TSM. But, observed Thompson, TSM's students are increasingly wary of submitting to a non-supportive authority.

Finally, any notion of liberal niceness, and 'why can't we all get along', or 'go in peace to love and serve the Lord' has forever evaporated. Mrs. Schori has demonstrated that her oceanographic background with squid and octopi has taught her that having multiple tentacles to squeeze orthodox bishops was indeed the right background for her new job.

All that remains to be seen is how fast orthodox bishops can escape her clutches, or be cut off, before they themselves are squeezed to death in her liberal, tolerant embrace.

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Cennydd
Posted: 2006/11/27 18:12  Updated: 2006/11/28 1:38
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 Re: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS ILL-DISGUISED INTOLERANCE BY TE
Oh, how I would dearly LOVE to have Mrs Jefferts-Schori come to the Diocese of San Joaquin and get her ears pinned back! Or to have her send her hatchet man David Beers-Booth out here for a good swift kick in HIS pin-striped britches!

And then there are those few TEC people here in the diocese....the "Remain Episcopal" bunch AKA as "Via Media" who are in place to act as their contacts during the time between our diocesan convention meets December 1st and 2nd and the next one in 2007, when the final decision to leave or stay will be made.

They are the same ones who are trying to convince this diocese to remain in TEC. Bishop Schofield told them that if they want to remain in TEC, they can take themselves and their parish properties with them as long as they don't leave the rest of us with any indebtedness, and they can go with his blessings.

Too bad the heretics at 815 Second Avenue just don't seem to get the message!

Power, greed, apostasy, and false prophecy are the norm there.

Cennydd
Piedmont
Posted: 2006/11/27 19:01  Updated: 2006/11/28 11:47
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 Re: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS ILL-DISGUISED INTOLERANCE BY TE
Here is the link to the picture of Sister Kate a.k.a. "the pin-stripe trousered one." She really wants to show everybody who wears the pants around 815, eh?

http://tinyurl.com/y5dpn5
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2006/11/27 19:22  Updated: 2006/11/27 19:22
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 Re: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS ILL-DISGUISED INTOLERANCE BY TE
Is it just me or does she really look like a man?
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2006/11/27 19:26  Updated: 2006/11/27 19:26
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 Re: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS ILL-DISGUISED INTOLERANCE BY TE
Allow me to restate that:

Beauty may only be skin deep, but ugly goes straight through to the bone.
ejsteele
Posted: 2006/11/27 19:36  Updated: 2006/11/27 19:36
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 Re: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS ILL-DISGUISED INTOLERANCE BY TE
I was thinking that she looks like a character in a Monte Python skit.

EJS
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2006/11/27 19:40  Updated: 2006/11/27 19:40
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"How do you tell a witch?"

Miss Cleveland was a very lovely, very talented young actress!

Or were you refering to, "How do you know he's a king?"

mathman
Posted: 2006/11/27 19:48  Updated: 2006/11/27 19:48
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Would you posters kindly refrain from the ad hominem remarks? KJS has little control over her appearance.
What she does control is her worldview and her belief system.

Please stick to the issue. Mother Teresa was beautiful, not because of her appearance, but because of her spirit.

KJS is ugly, not because of her appearance, but because of her inability to understand any of the doctrines and tenets of the Christian faith, not to mention the Anglican worldview.

So can we please stick to the subject, which should be Anglican orthodoxy?
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2006/11/27 19:59  Updated: 2006/11/27 19:59
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Yo mathman. Wearing a man's suit and hair style is pretty much as voluntary an attribute as I can imagine.

But if you want to fight with both hands tied behind your back... well we see how well that worked from 1976 to 2006.
JAV123
Posted: 2006/11/27 20:04  Updated: 2006/11/27 20:04
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 Re: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS ILL-DISGUISED INTOLERANCE BY TE
Cmon now, Joe.
Remember, above all be "nice". I would say Lady Katharine is a "handsome women". Boy, am I dating myself with that description !
But to be honest, I had the same question but didn't have the guts to mention it.
By the way, her last answer to the last question asked of her in the article that was linked, reveals it all, doesn't it.
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2006/11/27 20:14  Updated: 2006/11/27 20:14
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Quote:
But to be honest, I had the same question but didn't have the guts to mention it.


Lol! I think this aspect of deciding between "courtesy" and "military effectiveness" depends where one is on his activitst journey. In the 25 years or more that I've been speaking up for common sense and tradition, I've been called more names than I care to remember. Rather than take petty offense, they forced me to clarify and perfect my arguments; to consider them when they struck a nerve; and to gain insight into why a name might be used in the first place.

But to be honest, I believe that "calling them like I see them" is the best policy, whether the other end likes it or not.

In this case, as John Malloy would no doubt tell you, the research is solid: people dress themselves to announce their social loyalties. We ignore their "uniform" to our own ignorance.
JAV123
Posted: 2006/11/27 20:34  Updated: 2006/11/27 20:34
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Joe :
Well said. But you must admit, she does look grand in the pin-strips; nice touch !

And I recommend to everyone to read the article linked by Piedmont.
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2006/11/27 21:02  Updated: 2006/11/27 21:02
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Yes indeedy, jav, those pinstripes are quite flattering to her!
boomercat
Posted: 2006/11/27 21:04  Updated: 2006/11/27 21:04
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Every time I see a picture of Ms Schori, the name "Frau Blucher" flashes across my mind...
Piedmont
Posted: 2006/11/27 21:26  Updated: 2006/11/27 21:26
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Sister Kate could improve her appearance by wearing a white hood with two eyeholes.
Piedmont
Posted: 2006/11/27 21:30  Updated: 2006/11/27 21:30
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She is modeling the fashion accessory that all priestesses want to wear, the purple blouse accompanied by a Roman collar.
gregory
Posted: 2006/11/27 21:49  Updated: 2006/11/27 21:49
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"So can we please stick to the subject, which should be Anglican orthodoxy?"

Mathman, you so right but it is difficult to not look;




so there's my thousand words, gregory
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2006/11/27 22:30  Updated: 2006/11/27 22:30
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"The collar of submission" on her looks more like something from the local BDSM fetish shop than anything holy.

And yes, there are such places, including one on South Street in Philly. Not that I've stopped in (I do not "party") but they display their wares in a large storefront window.
Cennydd
Posted: 2006/11/27 23:44  Updated: 2006/11/27 23:44
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There is an English term for such a collar: Dog Collar. Now to further enhance the image: Imagine that same picture with several days' growth of beard.

Cennydd
dturk
Posted: 2006/11/28 0:53  Updated: 2006/11/28 0:53
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Schori is living on another planet. Seriously, this person, who is way over head, is nothing more than a secular humanist ideologue, hiding behind a collar. She is way too deluded with power and a evil political agenda to notice that she is on the bridge of the Titanic.

TEC is taking on water and sinking fast. The faithful are manning the lifeboats, abandoning ships and heading towards the Carpathia. All this arrogant, pompous transvestite-looking can do is a bad Captain Bligh imitation.

Face it. TEC is imploding. After the faithful leave, its membership will consist of nothing more than an aging group of pew slugs and a group of effete radicals desparately trying to sanctify themselves with their demented Godless gospel.
TENTEX
Posted: 2006/11/28 1:15  Updated: 2006/11/28 1:19
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Honestly, from one quick glance at this scary picture, I have to say this is a cross between Jean Kirkpatrick and Julie Andrews in Victor Victoria. To a great extent, this woman DOES have much control over how she looks. She should be more careful.

Throw water on her, and she might melt. I can hear the flying monkeys coming now. Trick or Treat!!
Causidicus
Posted: 2006/11/28 3:39  Updated: 2006/11/28 3:42
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Actually, the threatening part is not the look on her face - it's the hand in the pocket: Is that a .25 Beretta or a shiv she picked up in a prison ministry that she is about to pull out of her pocket?

Other than that, she has the same expression as all of the GQ models.

ps: You know, mathman, Mother Theresa never threatened to draw down on anyone.....
boggy
Posted: 2006/11/28 11:03  Updated: 2006/11/28 11:03
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The dumbest thing anglicans ever did was to deed over their property to a bishop. I am hard-pressed to discover anything a bishop ever did for me.
Leonard
Posted: 2006/11/28 12:19  Updated: 2006/11/28 12:19
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A few comments and questions:

David: Thank you for saying that was hubris they would be scraping off the wall, not something.....well, 'browner!'

Cynnedd: That 'kick in his pin-striped trousers' wouldn't just be to the BACK side, I hope!

Lastly: Who is the Metrosexual in that snazzy photo?
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Posted: 2006/11/28 12:35  Updated: 2006/11/28 12:35
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Political Correctness is an overt attempt to impose thought control on society in line with what the revisionists, secularists, socialists, liberals, Democrats, etc. think is right and proper. Rather than encouraging discussion, political correctness shuts it down. Freedom of speech, religion, and even one's own home are subject to the actions of political correctness.

Take the Kramer incident which has been played up for weeks in the news. What he said on stage is very little different than what black politicians and comedians say when attacking whites or Jews or evangelical Christians. In the world of political correctness racism and religious bigotry by blacks is tolerated and even encouraged. (One of the most significant examples of this double standard is the attack on Trent Lott for his gratious comments to a 100 year old friend at his birthday party. The comments were intended to make retired Senator Strom Thurmond feel good about his years of service to America, not to make blacks feel oppressed.)

And now we have the city of Chicago whose political leaders have banned ads for the Nativity movie from their Christmas parade. Maybe the Christians who are participating in this mockery ought to instead boycott the parade. If this was done, then the parade would collapse and Chicago's political leadership would look like the politically correct dopes that they are.
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Posted: 2006/11/28 12:43  Updated: 2006/11/28 12:44
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Comrade Schori's outward appearance is a reflection of her inward philosophy. Mother Teresa proudly wore the garments of her order to reflect its world philosophy of helping the poor and destitute. Schori rejects anything associated with real feminity and clearly reflects the masculine radical feminist image. This image goes hand-in-hand with political correctness and the de-Christianization of the Episcopal church.
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2006/11/28 13:24  Updated: 2006/11/28 13:24
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dturk, you are a prophet in your own time. "There are none so blind as them that will not see".
Joe of the Mountain
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Warmac, I hope you forweard your post to every person in your address book.
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Ha! Her shoe's untied!
Wilhelm
Posted: 2006/11/28 13:36  Updated: 2006/11/28 13:48
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Ms. Schori will have little historical impact. Both she and PC are simply the next course of the Bolshevist banquet fed to useful idiots. Mercifully and thankfully, she hasn't great appeal, lest we be tempted...

I do second Mathmatica's request. While the boy may still be alive in all of us, it's ungallant to deride a woman for her appearance. Furthermore, she'd most likely be a good neighbor and volunteer for all sorts of committees. She isn't the sum of all that is evil. The HOBs made this happen and are the ones to be held accountable......
Joe of the Mountain
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Respectfully Wilhelm (and I like your main points), tell the Polish cavalry about gallantry in battle...

Mrs Schori dressed that way deliberately. It is her uniform and as a uniformed officer of the Enemy in our spiritual war for survival, she must be identified for what she is -- and defeated by all means necessary.
ZachD
Posted: 2006/11/28 16:20  Updated: 2006/11/28 16:20
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From Joe:
"Is it just me or does she really look like a man?"
_____________________________________________

You know, Joe,
This sort of thing had been suggested at the very onset of ?her tenure.

And it's creepy that ?her retired mathamatician ?husband is 'persona non grata'.

I guess the jury remains out on this one.
HowieG
Posted: 2006/11/28 17:30  Updated: 2006/11/28 17:30
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Come on people, lets not be so Polically incorrect. After all we don't want others to think that we are so mean-spirited that we would stoop to the revisionist level of name-calling. We should all be praising the people who picked out Katie's wardrobe. She definitely is in contention of winning the "worst dressed womyn" contest.

H
HowieG
Posted: 2006/11/28 17:33  Updated: 2006/11/28 17:34
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"Schori: "Our forebears did not build churches or give memorials with the intent that they be removed from the Episcopal Church. Nor did our forebears give liberally to fund endowments with the intent that they be consumed by litigation." “

I wonder how many people actually gave any thought to having their respective diocese owning the property when they gathered in homes and/or other locations and prayed about building a building to Worship in. I doubt very many.

It won't be long before TEc(Cult) becomes the largest real estate owner in the USA with no one to buy or rent large single use buildings. But, on the other hand, if TEc(Cult) does sell off property to pay for its UN style programs, it will mean that there aren't many people left using the buildings in the first place.

H
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Posted: 2006/11/28 19:03  Updated: 2006/11/28 19:03
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RE: "It won't be long before TEc(Cult) becomes the largest real estate owner in the USA with no one to buy or rent large single use buildings."

The largest condo developer in the US?
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Posted: 2006/11/28 19:46  Updated: 2006/11/28 19:46
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"Schori: "Our forebears did not build churches or give memorials with the intent that they be removed from the Episcopal Church. Nor did our forebears give liberally to fund endowments with the intent that they be consumed by litigation." “

Yea, right. If our illustrious and generous "forebears" ever knew that the millions that they endowed to TEC were being squandered by a demonic group of heretics who have desecreted the Church, subverted God's Word, and made a sport of persecuting the faithful, they would be spinning in their graves in the cemeteries of those abandoned churches, now being sold off to fund the heretics legal attack dogs.

Yes, your bishopess, you are nothing more than a barnacle--a sea-going parasite leeching off the hull of an old rusty ship.
dturk
Posted: 2006/11/28 19:48  Updated: 2006/11/28 19:48
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RE: "It won't be long before TEc(Cult) becomes the largest real estate owner in the USA with no one to buy or rent large single use buildings.

The largest condo developer in the US?"

..or the largest graveyard owner. How about changing their names to Tombstones R US?
Wilhelm
Posted: 2006/11/28 20:12  Updated: 2006/11/28 20:19
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Well as distasteful and preposterous this has become, which most assuredly includes Ms. Schori's taste in habit, we musn't allow our indignation to cost us our souls. There isn't a better time to promote the growth of our Anglican alternatives so that we and those remaining will at least be permitted to worship in our beloved traditional manner. Afterall, we still believe in "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church" no matter how fractured we've become.
ParaPadre
Posted: 2006/11/28 21:50  Updated: 2006/11/28 21:50
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 Re: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS ILL-DISGUISED INTOLERANCE BY TE
Is it me, or in addition to being the one in her marriage who wears the pants, but I don't see a pectoral cross on 'Sister Kate.'

Then again why would she since she doesn't believe that was how her salvation (if she so chooses to repent of her sin) was wrought!!!

Alasdair+
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2006/11/28 21:54  Updated: 2006/11/28 21:54
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 Re: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS ILL-DISGUISED INTOLERANCE BY TE
Recall the effect of the Holy Cross on Dracula... One might suspect it would have a similar effect on this similarly attired lady.
bradhutt
Posted: 2006/11/28 22:55  Updated: 2006/11/28 22:55
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 Re: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS ILL-DISGUISED INTOLERANCE BY TE
The properties were not deeded over-they took it by canon without a shot being fired.
bradhutt
Posted: 2006/11/28 22:59  Updated: 2006/11/28 22:59
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Sir David Virtue,
An absolutely brilliant article!!!!
You nailed them again-big time!
CarlGustav
Posted: 2006/11/28 23:12  Updated: 2006/11/28 23:14
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If we've got to have a female PB why can't she at least look like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Selma Hayek!! LOL Carl

Oops, I forgot that I'd renounced my membersip in TEC. I should have written "you've" instead.
Cennydd
Posted: 2006/11/29 0:30  Updated: 2006/11/29 0:30
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Dturk, I have something a bit stronger to offer in describing the lady: "a teredo worm....a sea-going parasite (shipworm) which eats holes in wooden ships and tunnels its way thoughout the hull....such as TEC....which has no engine or rudder....it having been eaten away by corruption."

Just a passing thought.

Cennydd
Cennydd
Posted: 2006/11/29 2:56  Updated: 2006/11/29 2:56
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Leonard: Nope, it sure wouldn't! The @$#%$& side would be a bit more, shall we say, effective?

Cennydd
gregory
Posted: 2006/11/29 13:00  Updated: 2006/11/29 13:06
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 Re: TEC: Political Correctness Is Ill-Disguised Intolerance
CLICK HERE TO SEE PICTURES OF Formal Seating of Jefferts Schori

Here's one for you;




Presiding Bishop’s family
Washington Cathedral photo
Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori’s husband, Richard Miles Schori (fourth from left), daughter Katharine Johanna Harris (third from left), and son-in-law Aaron Harris (second from left) watch Jefferts Schori’s official seating in the Presiding Bishop’s stall in the Great Choir of Washington National Cathedral November 5. Washington Assisting Bishop Barbara Harris is on the left and Cathedral Dean Samuel Lloyd is on the right. Cathedral Chapter Chair John Shenefield is fifth from the right and Cathedral Canon Precentor Carol Wade holds Jefferts Schori’s primatial staff.
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/11/29 14:01  Updated: 2006/11/29 14:01
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Warmac, you've expressed exactly just what all this left-wing agenda is about. It reminds me of the hippies who were against anything "establishment", crying "peace" while throwing bricks and bombs.

Yes, we must tolerate all sorts of things (tolerate being changed to mean acceptance and congratulations) EXCEPT being caucasion, male, Christian, or American.

Even the radical terrorists can use all the hate speech they want to incite violence against Americans ... and they proclaim it loudly right here in the USA. But a Christian isn't allowed to proclaim the love of God or the Salvation of Christ, or even pray in public (unless it's to Satan or Crom or some such).

Their speech, like the lies printed in the mainstream media, are "protected", as they hide behind an ever-corrupted First Amendment.

Who intended that?

Those who subscribe to the "PC" world walk around with great chips on their shoulders, and if someone won't knock off the chip, they'll do it and blame it on some conservative somewhere.

Political correctness is not correct. It's hate-filled and intends only to destroy.
Fiona
Posted: 2006/11/29 14:32  Updated: 2006/11/29 14:32
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Well I always thought that Griswold looked like a woman. They're all morphing.

Fiona
gregory
Posted: 2006/11/29 18:43  Updated: 2006/11/29 18:45
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My AFTER the Formal Seating picture equals a thousand words.

sentinel
Posted: 2006/12/1 14:26  Updated: 2006/12/1 14:26
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"Please stick to the issue. Mother Teresa was beautiful, not because of her appearance, but because of her spirit. KJS is ugly, not because of her appearance, but because of her inability to understand any of the doctrines and tenets of the Christian faith"

Well said - and I agree.

That any discussion of Mrs. Schori's heretical views degenerate into comments on her appearance is childish and add little to the dicussion.
sentinel
Posted: 2006/12/1 14:31  Updated: 2006/12/1 14:31
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Gregory,

the picture you posted is truly a case of "a picture is worth a thousand words". I immediately thought of those scenes from the book/movie where the witch's pleasent demeanor was merely a veil for the cruelty and wickedness that lay beneath. It is truely a picture of the "liberal" mindset in general.

Man, we could go on forever with the analogies....
sentinel
Posted: 2006/12/1 14:38  Updated: 2006/12/1 14:38
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ugh.. those pictures of Mrs. Schori's "seating" are nearly as nausiating as the beauty pagent winner demeanor of VGR when he was "consecrated".

blech...
soundbytes
Posted: 2006/12/2 20:32  Updated: 2006/12/2 20:32
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Definition of a bigot:

Anyone who can best a liberal in argument, particularly if by using logic, reason, and the very words they have spoken.
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