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News : ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vows to Tackle Domestic Abuse
Posted by David Virtue on 2006/10/3 12:10:00 (1544 reads)

ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vows to Tackle Domestic Abuse

A Church of England report has stated that traditional vows taken in wedding ceremonies, in which the bride promises to "obey" her husband, could be used by some men to justify domestic violence.

by Daniel Blake
Christian Today
October 3, 2006

The report has been released by the Church of England and is backed by its spiritual head, the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams. It accused the Church of failing to develop itself in many "points" which could be used to prevent abuse.

Traditional theological ideals that promote the man as being the head of the family have been deeply embedded into the wedding ceremony, and concerns have now come out that these could be misinterpreted by some. In particular, the report highlighted that the teaching of a wife submitting herself to her husband could be construed in an extreme and physical way.

The origin of the wedding vows used in Anglican services can be traced back to the Book of Common Prayer, as authorised by King Henry VIII.

In traditional Church of England vows undertaken by those taking part in holy matrimony, the husband promises "to love and cherish" his wife "till death us do part", while the wife promises to "love, cherish, and obey" her husband.

However, the report has urged Church ministers to emphasise to couples preparing for marriage that men and women are of equal value in the eyes of God.

It stated that the use of the word "obey" could possibly be outdated for use in today's society with regards to marriage.

The report said that the Church had, intentionally or unintentionally, reinforced abuse, failing to challenge abusers, and had therefore intensified the suffering of survivors, often through "misguided" or distorted versions of Christian belief.

We hope that these guidelines will play a small part in helping break down the silence and secrecy surrounding domestic abuse and equipping any of us entrusted by victim, survivor or perpetrator to offer the most appropriate care.

It said that if people were given a deformed view of their relationship with God as being one of domination and submission, and interpreted the character of God with masculine imagery, it could bring about "overbearing and ultimately violent patterns of behaviour".

Even more worrying, victims could even see themselves as deserving of the abuse they were receiving, simply as a normal part of their marriage. In a way they would be in a state of "self-denial", and not take action against the abuse they were experiencing.

The report, 'Responding to Domestic Abuse, Guidelines for Pastoral Responsibility', tells churches to adapt and become places of safety for survivors of domestic abuse. In particular, the Church will now offer an alternative version of marriage vows, omitting the word "obey".

Launching the guidelines, the Rt Rev Graham James, Bishop of Norwich, said: "We hope that these guidelines will play a small part in helping break down the silence and secrecy surrounding domestic abuse and equipping any of us entrusted by victim, survivor or perpetrator to offer the most appropriate care. These guidelines build on much good work already happening in dioceses and other agencies."

Davina James-Hanman, Director of the Greater London Domestic Abuse Project, welcomed the publication: "Domestic violence wreaks devastation on thousands of families in the UK every year - physically, emotionally and spiritually. For many victims, their faith can play a key role in supporting them in a time of upheaval and in helping them to heal from its effects. Church leaders can play a vital role in educating congregations and in ensuring that churches can be a safe haven for victims to get help and support. The key to effectively addressing domestic violence is partnership working and I am pleased that the Church of England is joining us in our quest to ensure every home is a safe home."

Kathleen Ben Rabha, Community Affairs Adviser to the Diocese of St Edmundsbury and Ipswich and the mover of the motion that led to the guidelines, said: "This is evidence that the Church of England is recognising the issue of Domestic Violence and its catastrophic impact on people - women, men and children - and is preparing itself for a more informed pastoral response."

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Curate
Posted: 2006/10/3 15:42  Updated: 2006/10/3 15:42
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From: England
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 Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow
The English language should be revised, because it could be used by the ABC in an extreme way, and he could be misinterpreted by some. The use of the language by him could be outdated in today's socitey with regards to intelligibility, so it should be scrapped.

He has, intentionally or unintentionally, reinforced its abuse, failed to challenge its abusers, and therefore intensified the suffering of survivors, often through misguided or distorted versions of Christian belief.

Even more worrying is that survivors could see themselves as deserving of the linguistic abuse they are receiving from him, simply as a normal part of their Anglicanism. In a way they would be in a state of self-denial, and not take action against the violence they were experiencing.

Churches should adapt and become places of safety for survivors of English abuse.

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 Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow hobbit 2006/10/3 16:19

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Damascus
Posted: 2006/10/3 18:04  Updated: 2006/10/3 18:04
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 Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Someone has convinced Rowan that the reason there is domestic violence in the UK is because the word obey is included in the rites for marriage. Surely with this new modification, domestic violence will come to a screeching halt. I know that no one would ever consider smacking their wife if they didn't think that they had the Church's tacit approval to do so.

As for Kathleen Ben Rabha of the Diocese of St. Edmundsbury, perhaps someone needs to give her a smack for wasting all of our time.

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sfmccoll
Posted: 2006/10/3 19:48  Updated: 2006/10/3 19:48
Not too shy to talk
Joined: 2005/9/6
From: Melbourne
Posts: 30
 Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow
I recall years ago that an Australian survey that found that 25% of Australian men thought it o.k. for a man to beat his wife was used as justification for the necessity of the purported ordination of women to the priesthood. I'm still trying to get around the logic of that.

In the meantime, does this current news signal a possible visit of Dr Williams to the barber? Surely a more unisex hairstyle would be in order if he doesn't want to be mistaken for some kind of unfemlightened Easterner--or does he believe that the simple act of a diurnal shave would only serve to reinforce the image of the male primate?

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 Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow hobbit 2006/10/3 20:02
    Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow spiro 2006/10/3 23:42

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sfmccoll
Posted: 2006/10/4 0:50  Updated: 2006/10/4 0:50
Not too shy to talk
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From: Melbourne
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 Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow
Just wondering: do the surveys of the domestic abuse crisis ever ask the wife bashers if they are observant Christians? What's the percentage of wife bashers in the pews against wife bashers who have better things than worship to do on Sundays?

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 Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow spiro 2006/10/4 1:53
    Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow rossi 2006/10/4 11:20

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servant
Posted: 2006/10/4 1:54  Updated: 2006/10/4 1:54
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 Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow
This is so typical of the liberal churches. They ignore God's order for the world, as revealed in scripture. We know that God intends man's role as head of the family to be a responsibility to cherish and care for his wife and family. That responsibility means making sacrifices for his family, even sacrificing his life for his wife and family. We also know that God created men and women equal, but different. (If you don't believe that, when was the last time a man gave birth to a child?)

Rather than use God's order for the world as a model for how to live our lives, the liberal churches deny God's order for the world. The liberal church says that God's order for the world reinforces abuse.

Instead of transforming people, the liberal churches attempt yet again to transform God.

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mathman
Posted: 2006/10/4 15:06  Updated: 2006/10/4 15:06
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 Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow
Excellent. Now how about those Muslims?
A Muslim is entitled to beat any of his wives. He may have up to four, you know.
You could look it up. It is in the Koran.
Are wife-beating Muslims to be given a pass in the new England?
Will Cantaur issue a bulletin excusing Muslims from any charges of rape or wife-beating? Rape is also OK.
By the way, the witness of a woman counts less than that of a man. That is also in the Koran.
We have to be politically sensitive and correct, after all.

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Anonymous
Posted: 2006/10/4 22:45  Updated: 2006/10/4 22:45
 Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow
RW is a new-age imbecile. He should read Paul's letters.

In the end, it is a matter of fact that protestants have long undervalued obedience and equated it with subservience and oppression. To submit and be obedient to another is to debase one being and enable the other to perpetrate abuse. So, it's every man for himself: each of us must follow the dictates of his or her own conscience, a conscience that does not countenance the notion that we each may have different callings and the proposition that the first shall be last and the last shall be first.

And so RW himself has no authority and no moral right to expect obedience to his own leadership.

I say fine, RW. No one should obey anyone else. And you, sirrah,are a buffoon who has proven that you have no moral authority (from any source) which commands anyone's obedience.

A Christian wife cannot hesitate to obey a Christian husband who is obeying God.

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Cennydd
Posted: 2006/10/9 17:14  Updated: 2006/10/9 17:14
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From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin
Posts: 6862
 Re: ENGLAND: Church Omits 'Obey' from Marriage Vow
I have absolutely no respect for any "man" who beats his wife, or for any woman who browbeats her husband for stopping to have a drink with his friends at the local pub. My wife and I solved the latter problem....I pick her up first!

As for the word "obey" in the marriage rite, I would much prefer this: "To love, honor, and cherish until death do us part"....for both husband and wife....with no mention of the word "obey."

Drinking in British society is no different than here in the U.S....more traditional perhaps, but no different in its consequences....and the problem does need to be addressed. I do agree with the Church's guidelines, and it might be helpful if our American churches followed suit.

Cennydd
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