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News : LONDON: Bishop banned from pulpit for swearing
Posted by David Virtue on 2006/8/27 9:30:00 (2814 reads)

LONDON: Bishop banned from pulpit for swearing

Christopher Morgan
The Sunday Times
August 27, 2006

DAVID JENKINS, the former Bishop of Durham who survived a storm in the 1980s when he questioned the literal truth of the resurrection, has been banned from preaching in two of his local churches for swearing in the pulpit.

Jenkins, 81, was barred after using the words "bloody" and "damn" in a sermon. The ban came after complaints from members of the congregation.

Despite his retirement as a frontline bishop Jenkins has retained his reputation for fiery sermons. But he concedes that, during an address in the parish of Romaldkirk and Laithkirk in Co Durham, he became carried away when railing against splits in the Anglican communion over homosexual priests.

Jenkins last week admitted using the words in a sermon given just before Easter but said: "The main reason for people not believing in God is the behaviour of people who do believe in God. I am fed up with the disgraceful quarrelling among Anglicans when they should be addressing major world questions.

"I suppose there was a bit of anger and swearing but I get worked up in the pulpit and I get quite lively. Dogmatism is destroying the reasonableness and realism of religion."

Peter Midwood, the rector of the parish, said he had felt forced to act after receiving complaints. He barred Jenkins, now the assistant bishop of Ripon and Leeds, from preaching in the three churches in the parish.

Jenkins was later given a partial reprieve after parishioners wrote to John Packer, Bishop of Ripon and Leeds, calling for him to be reinstated. He is now allowed to preach at Cotherstone, one of the churches.

"David is a passionate person and used passionate language," said Midwood. "It's easy to upset people by using immoderate language in church. It wasn't a deep theological thing."

One worshipper in his parish, who declined to be named, said: "This has been a sad, mishandled episode. We are horrified at what has happened. David is our inspiration. He is a most wonderful man and I prefer to hear from a man of God how we should be living."

Jenkins has a long record of controversy. In 1984 he questioned whether the resurrection of Christ should be seen as literally true, saying it was more than "a conjuring trick with bones".

His views offended traditionalists so much that some even blamed him for the York Minster fire in 1984, which was ignited by a bolt of lightning. Despite the row Jenkins held onto his position until 1994, when he retired.

He drew the wrath of Margaret Thatcher's government by championing the cause of the miners during their year-long strike and criticised the leadership of the coal industry.

Jenkins has long been a strong supporter of civil partnerships and last year became one of the first clergymen to bless such a union between two men, one of whom was a vicar.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2330368,00.html

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Kelpie
Posted: 2006/8/27 15:51  Updated: 2006/8/27 15:51
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 Re: LONDON: Bishop banned from pulpit for swearing
How are the mighty fallen! There was a time when Jenkins got headlines, and now he's reduced to this kind of story - the funny, odd little bit at the end of the news broadcast, the enlarged filler for a British Sunday paper. Ho hum... he's YESTERDAY'S man. So are all the others like him in Anglicanism everywhere. They can still do damage, they still need to be thrown to the mat, but their day is done. Bad-tempered, impotent yelping and muttering from the sidelines doesn't change that increasingly obvious reality.
Gander
Posted: 2006/8/27 16:18  Updated: 2006/8/27 19:05
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 Re: LONDON: Bishop banned from pulpit for swearing
"Dogmatism is destroying the reasonableness and realism of religion."

Yessir.

Methinks the bishop protests too much. He has come to the correct conclusion but points his finger in the wrong direction.

Surely it is the dogmatic left that disembowels the Church. Surely it is the dogmatic left which is unreal. Surely it is the dogmatic left that has left reason outside the door.

Don
iceworm
Posted: 2006/8/27 19:56  Updated: 2006/8/27 19:56
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 How Sad For This Ding-Dong To Lead Sheep Astray
"One worshipper in his parish, who declined to be named, said: "This has been a sad, mishandled episode. We are horrified at what has happened. David is our inspiration. He is a most wonderful man and I prefer to hear from a man of God how we should be living."

My rector chose Romans 1:8-17 for the second lesson today. He selected Romans a couple of weeks ago for his teaching sermons. Today the emphasis was on the ungodly who exhibit unrighteousness by suppressing the truth.

Reading about Jenkins and remembering his past truth suppressing activities is enough to gag a maggot.
Cennydd
Posted: 2006/8/27 20:57  Updated: 2006/8/27 20:59
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 Re: LONDON: Bishop banned from pulpit for swearing
Pity the poor old sod! Passion belongs in the pulpit, but moderately.

Cennydd
JimMcNeely
Posted: 2006/8/28 6:02  Updated: 2006/8/28 6:02
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 Re: LONDON: Bishop banned from pulpit for swearing
"Dogmatism is destroying the reasonableness and realism of religion."

True, but for reasons he does not realize.

The dogmatic Loon Left refuses to realize that the very changes being hoisted upon them are because of their own illegality and example.

Loon Left icons like Griswold and Sauls have no difficulty expressing openness and creativity when it comes to set doctrine. But there can be NO CHANGES to the administrative structures to the Anglican Communion. Thus they are dogmatically refusing to change - and hell-bent on bringing a conflict with those who disagree with them.

The orthodox faithful see these human-made structures as unable to hold in the midst of the innovating of these heretics, so they are changing them. In other words, they are using the same tactics organizationally that the Loon Left uses doctrinally.

You are right, Bishop. Your movement's dogmatic movement towards heresy is causing the demise of the Anglican Communion as you knew it.

Any regrets now?

-Jim+
DnNeal
Posted: 2006/8/28 16:34  Updated: 2006/9/7 14:44
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 Re: LONDON: Bishop banned from pulpit for swearing
Quote:
I am fed up with the disgraceful quarrelling among Anglicans when they should be addressing major world questions.


Which major world issues are those, Bishop?

The sinfulness of the fallen human creature corrupting all of the cosmos and the need for establishing the "rule" of God is where the Gospel begins. That is THE "major world issue" underlying all subsidiary "major world issues" in the Christian worldview. True "justice" begins here, Bishop. True service does also.

But I'm sure this is not what you mean.

Those who do not believe in the Resurrection or the Incarnation have no reason to believe that humans are fallen to begin with and no reason NOT to follow every one of their own desires to their logical ends i.e. the kingdoms of "self" and death.

We can cloak our sinful desires in "noble" sentiments and even good deeds all we want but if we are not actively working by grace to put to death the deeds of the flesh we will end up serving our "flesh" instead and reap corruption and death infecting everything around us.

I do not trust politicians ("left", "right" or somewhere else) who do not live ascetic lives --"putting to death the deeds of the flesh"--and that means just about all, if not all of them. Much less do I trust clergymen who do not live in order to put to death the deeds of the flesh so they may be united with Christ in His resurrection.

If "walking by the Spirit" as St. Paul wrote is not the modus operandi then nothing matters. If it is then everything does.

Neal
sfmccoll
Posted: 2006/9/6 23:22  Updated: 2006/9/6 23:22
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 Re: LONDON: Bishop banned from pulpit for swearing
It's o.k. to pour doubt on central doctrines of the faith, but it's definitely not o.k. to say 'damn' in the pulpit. I suppose our Lord's victory over death isn't necessary where there's no damnation to fear. Welcome to Brave New Church.
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