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News : ARKANSAS: Episcopal Bishop Gives Nod For Gay Blessings
Posted by David Virtue on 2006/7/19 17:40:00 (3753 reads)

ARKANSAS: Episcopal Bishop Gives Nod For Gay Blessings

Report/Analysis

By Auburn Faber Traycik
The Christian Challenge
http://www.challengeonline.org
July 19, 2006

A month after the Episcopal General Convention failed to answer the Windsor Report's call for a moratorium on public same-sex blessing rites, Arkansas Episcopal Bishop Larry Maze has announced that certain congregations will "likely move forward" on gay blessings in the weeks ahead.

Maze announced his policy supporting the exploration of same-sex blessings, on a congregation-by-congregation basis, in a letter to clergy today (July 19). It appears that the first gay blessing in the diocese could take place at St. Paul's, Fayetteville. In a letter to colleagues dated July 18, the Rev. Lowell Grisham of St. Paul's announced the availability of this "pastoral office" at his parish, with the bishop's permission and "with appropriate preparation." Bishop Maze says St. Michael's, Little Rock, is also nearing the possibility of blessing gay relationships.

In his letter, Bishop Maze acknowledged continuing disagreement in the church on the gay issue. But as he sees it, the Episcopal Church (TEC) remains "in the forefront of the effort to assure that gay and lesbian persons are made welcome in our churches" and under the governance of two relevant resolutions; one, adopted by the 1976 General Convention, states that "homosexual persons are children of God who have a full and equal claim with all other persons upon the love, acceptance, and pastoral concern and care of the Church."

The second, adopted by General Convention 2003, states that local faith communities "are operating within the bounds of our common life as they explore and experience liturgies celebrating and blessing same-sex unions."

It is on this basis that TEC leaders have claimed that the denomination has not authorized same-sex blessing rites, meaning in a churchwide sense, though clearly the convention has authorized such rites as are composed locally for the same purpose.

Maze's rather confused explanation about exactly what he is authorizing reflects this double-mindedness. "Neither the General Convention nor the Diocese of Arkansas has produced or approved official rites for the blessing of same-sex unions....No congregation, vestry, or priest is expected to interpret the pastoral concern and care of the Church for gay and lesbian persons in a way that includes the possibility of formal rites of blessing," the bishop stated.

"However, those that do, have permission to proceed to work as a congregation to come to clarity around the issues involved when the Church blesses anything or anyone. If a couple seeks blessing in that congregation, they will join in that exploration much to the benefit of the congregation and the couple.

This is a pastoral response and it is expected that each case will reflect the uniqueness of the congregation and the couple involved. It is expected that the bishop will be informed of each process, receive a report of work done, and see any liturgy that is produced before proceeding with a blessing rite."

A source in the Arkansas diocese said that, as he understands it, the position of the diocese's deputies to General Convention is that the convention's 11th-hour resolution, calling for diocesan bishops and standing committees not to consent to the consecration of actively homosexual bishops, will be an acceptable enough answer for the Anglican Communion, even though it does not address gay blessings.

The same source says he thought it was "unusual for the bishop to make this decision now, because an election for a new bishop is slated for November this year, and the new bishop will be consecrated on January 6, 2007."

In his letter, Fr. Grisham said that there are currently "no blessing services planned or in preparation" at St. Paul's, "but I anticipate that there will be couples who would like to avail themselves of this ministry in the near future. We'd love for that to happen with absolutely no publicity..."

END

From Bishop Larry Maze:

Those on this list have received Lowell's notification that St. Paul's is ready to take the next step towards blessing same-sex relationships. St. Michael's, Little Rock, is also nearing that possibility. For some this will be good news, for others, not so good. I believe that it will be important that you have my official position as you respond to people about this and that is attached.

Two particular points need to be clear.

One, there are no official liturgies and what is being allowed is exploration of blessing. Two, there are no official liturgies because we are standing in so many places on this issue that to make anything "official" would not be an accurate representation of where we are. I'm very hopeful that you will enable all to understand this and to understand the freedom we have to stand in different places.

*****

Same-sex blessings in the Diocese of Arkansas:

By Bishop Larry Maze

The Episcopal Church continues to be in the forefront of the effort to assure that gay and lesbian persons are made welcome in our churches and are afforded equal treatment by society at-large. There is not agreement across the church in how to achieve those ends, but for the last 30 years the Episcopal Church has worked to implement a 1976 Resolution of General Convention which states that Homosexual persons are children of God who have a full and equal claim with all other persons upon the love, acceptance, and pastoral concern and care of the Church.

It is my belief that seeking ways of recognizing and blessing faithful, monogamous same-sex relationships falls within the parameters of providing pastoral concern and care for our gay and lesbian members. General Convention would seem to agree in a 2003 Resolution stating that A faith communities are operating within the bounds of our common life as they explore and experience liturgies celebrating and blessing same-sex unions. In the weeks ahead, those congregations that have been addressing the possibility of such blessings will likely move forward. Let me be clear about what this means and doesn't mean.

Neither the General Convention nor the Diocese of Arkansas has produced or approved official rites for the blessing of same-sex unions. Nor is same-sex marriage a possibility in the State of Arkansas. No congregation, vestry, or priest is expected to interpret the pastoral concern and care of the Church for gay and lesbian persons in a way that includes the possibility of formal rites of blessing. However, those that do, have permission to proceed to work as a congregation to come to clarity around the issues involved when the Church blesses anything or anyone. If a couple seeks blessing in that congregation, they will join in that exploration much to the benefit of the congregation and the couple. This is a pastoral response and it is expected that each case will reflect the uniqueness of the congregation and the couple involved. It is expected that the Bishop will be informed of each process, receive a report of work done, and see any liturgy that is produced before proceeding with a blessing rite.

These guidelines are given so that we can continue to take particular positions on this issue, without the expectation that everyone else will be in that particular position. We have much to learn from one another, knowing that the Spirit has led us into quite different places and that the truth about all this is still emerging.

Larry E. Maze
July 19, 2006

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Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2006/7/19 21:12  Updated: 2006/7/19 21:12
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Oh mother Jesse, You are SO GAY!

Bless this loving couple, for as long as they couple, and do us a big favor by not visiting upon them Anal Cancer, Chlamydia trachomatis, Cryptosporidium, Giardia lamblia, Herpes simplex virus, Human immunodeficiency virus, Human papilloma virus, Isospora belli, Microsporidia, Gonorrhea, Viral hepatitis types B & C, Syphilis or AIDS.

Also tell them not to kill each other in a jealous rage when they share their undying love with others.

A-hem.
Damascus
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If Rowan Williams had any doubt as to how heartfelt ECUSA's last minute resolution regarding Windsor was, he now has his answer. This is what passes for restraint in the Episcopal Church.
FrMikeLee
Posted: 2006/7/19 21:22  Updated: 2006/7/20 8:46
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Awww...Now ain't that cute!

"Neither the General Convention nor the Diocese of Arkansas has produced or approved official rites for the blessing of same-sex unions. Nor is same-sex marriage a possibility in the State of Arkansas. No congregation, vestry, or priest is expected to interpret the pastoral concern and care of the Church for gay and lesbian persons in a way that includes the possibility of formal rites of blessing. However, those that do, have permission to proceed..."

+Larry has spoken! And I must say, in the usual "clarity" of a coward. "Duh, we're not saying you can, because ...uh...we're not really sure we want to say that...but, er, duh, if you decide you want to...uh...you have my permission to go ahead...uh...and do what you want...ok?"

Saint Paul and Saint Michael; The Great Missionary, and the Prince of Angels will now have the "honor" of being patrons of gay wedding chapels!

What the heck! "I don't want anyone to think I'm saying that rotten, vile, disgusting sin is OK, but if that's how you choose to interpret this, then you are free to go ahead with it. Just zap me a copy of your liturgy when it's ready."

Spineless puke!
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Posted: 2006/7/19 21:32  Updated: 2006/7/19 21:32
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If there was any doubt in anyone's mind as to where TEC is headed, it is answered now. Windsor Report doesn't mean a thing. These people could care less about the Anglican Church as a whole and would be far happier if the TEC went it's own way. While it's time to split up. There will be the world wide Anglican and TEC. At that point, if you stop following Christ teaching then you are no longer a church. I'm glad to help them pack their bags. Anybody got change for a bus ticket?
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Quote:
... the Church blesses anything or anyone.


I think that the way things are going in TEC, this sentence fragment would be more accurate if it was a stand alone statement!
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Better change St. Paul's, Fayetteville to St. Pauly Girl, Faggotville.

Is this really necessary? Please don't make us look like a bunch of ignorant hillbillies.
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I echo that. Every time this kind of comment goes public, we all have to fight against the "phobic" label-- even when we really are sick of the (now public) double-speak around blessings... Forgo the trash talk, please, so we can concentrate on the real issues... That said, welcome to the theater of the absurd... and even while he hopes for "absolute privacy" you can expect to explain to your parish children how this "private pastoral matter" squares with the new pictures of the happy copule on the wedding page of the local newspaper...don't tell me it won't happen... been there and done that...
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FrMikeLee I agree with you ,but I prefer the "DO OPEN" stile of the TEC unitarians rather than the "DO QUIET" of the CofE.Priests have done same sex blessings for age.Few time ago a clergy of the Salisbury Cathedral, got married(legally) with his south amercan toy boy.The bishop of Salysbury was the guest of Honour.And what ABC have done to stop these things?
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Although I moved out of state last year, I am still a member of St. Paul's Fayetteville. I think that I have been waiting to see what General Convention would do........hoping that they would see the 'light'. Now there is no doubt that Lowell with his gay agenda will win. Today I started writing a letter to have my name taken off of the church membership. It is still hard to believe that the church I joined 30 years ago has come to this.

Luckily the city I now live in has several Orthodox Anglican churches.
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djmalone

I think more and more people will be placed in your position in the near future. Many have placed their trust in soothing utterances from leaders that appeared to be orthodox. Very often those leaders said different things to different groups. But there comes a point when their true nature becomes apparent.

Find another congregation that is faithful, preferably Anglican(!), and support it. Many orthodox Anglican groups are starting to plant new churches, so support that as well. Knock the apostates foundations out from under them!
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Quote:
Better change St. Paul's, Fayetteville to St. Pauly Girl, Faggotville.


That is most certainly NOT appropriate language. What happened to "love the sinner, hate the sin"? How will people respond if we MOCK them? If you are truly a priest, Fr. Lee, I call you to repent for those words. No souls will be saved by them.

-nj
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Njones,
Please give book, chapter and verse from scripture that says we are to "love the sinner and hate the sin". I am quite curious as to where this is found in scriptures. I keep hearing people say this but it is not in any scriptures I have read.

The homo's within TEC are mocking God, yet, I haven't seen anyone demand that they repent of their words or actions.Have you written to the Arkansas religious leaders and demanded they not mock God? Or demand that they refrain from blessing same sex unions in light of Bo33 and the Windsor Report?

I didn't think so. You have a misguided sense of proprieties. Fr. Lee probably is as fed up as most of us with gay everything being forced upon us through every venue we are exposed to. They need to be mocked and scorned and tossed out of the church.

Tell me, would you allow a member of NAMBLA into the priesthood? Would you allow them at the communion rail? Would you let them teach Sunday school, or work with the youth group? There isn't room at at the table for practicing homosexuals. They are an ABOMINATION to God.

As far as their souls being saved.LOL That won't be happening. They have been given over to reprobate minds which is why they wear their sin as sodom. They can't hear or see. Blind as bats.

God has "gifted" them with all of that because they believed the lies and embraced man made traditions instead of God's Word. Their claim that God has gifted them with "love" in many different forms is nonsense.

They are marching to the lake of fire, and doing it with gay pride. I think they should be allowed to do just that.
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Posted: 2006/7/20 2:05  Updated: 2006/7/20 2:06
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Musician said "Please give book, chapter and verse from scripture that says we are to "love the sinner and hate the sin". I am quite curious as to where this is found in scriptures. I keep hearing people say this but it is not in any scriptures I have read."

It comes from St. Augustine an early church father. It is not found in the Bible.

God Bless

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BHtech,
Thanks so much. People are constantly quoting that as if it was scripture.
You have answered my long asked question regarding that premise. Now I know.

Thanks very much...
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Posted: 2006/7/20 2:10  Updated: 2006/7/20 2:10
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You are welcome!

God Bless

BHTech
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It' too bad someone can't buy a package of Greyhound tickets, go to 815 Second Avenue in New York, and hand each and every person....clergy included....a one-way ticket out of town....Telling 'em they're all fired! And that would include Maze and his cronies. But, since the heretic apostates of ECUSA/TEC have thumbed their noses at the rest of us, does it matter where they go....as long as they don't drag us down to the Nether Regions with 'em?

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Cennyd, Amen!

Quote:
It' too bad someone can't buy a package of Greyhound tickets, go to 815 Second Avenue in New York, and hand each and every person....clergy included....a one-way ticket out of town


I have a better idea. Send them to Jerusalem for the Gay Pride World Wide celebration August 10th. There is a price on their heads.

I have a feeling though when they get "fired" it won't be with a pink slip....and it will happen in the very near future.

I'll bring the marshmallows.
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Wow. It seems to me like some of the posts are saying that homosexuals are going to burn in the lake of fire, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Yes, I'm aware of all the Scriptures that say homosexual acts are a sin. I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God. Therefore, I believe it when it says that homosexual acts are a sin.

But doesn't Paul say in Romans 10:9, "If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you WILL be saved." (emphasis mine). I notice that those two things were the only qualifiers Paul mentions in order to get into heaven and be saved.

Personally, I'm glad that he didn't add onto the list of prerequisites the prohibition of the acts of the sinful nature that he mentions in Galatians 19:21. He says, "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." Note the last sentence. Did he just contradict himself from what he said in Romans 10:9? I don't think so. I think he means those who live like this in willful disobedience to God, not caring what God has to say about the matter.

Think about it. Is there the slightest chance that there could be a homosexual who recently came to Christ and doesn't know that God isn't pleased with homosexual acts? Or perhaps there is a homosexual who is struggling to stop acting out because he or she knows it is against God's wishes, but just hasn't been able to completely stop yet? What about the Christian who constantly covets what his neighbor has (jealousy)? What about the Christian who is filled with hatred towards others? What about fits of rage? If one says that anyone who partakes of a homosexual act is automatically going to hell, then you have to be consistent and say that anyone who does any of those other things is hellbound as well.

Sanctification is a process that usually takes a lifetime. One doesn't become perfect the moment one accepts Jesus, just forgiven. One other thing I want to mention that Paul said in Romans 7:18-20. "For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no the evil I do not want to do – this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it." So Paul admits that he still has some issues with sin – he hasn't reached perfection yet. I'm pretty sure that Paul is in heaven. And that gives me hope that even though I still have some issues with sin, that God's promise of eternal life for me is still good.

I think we can agree that those who are not believers will suffer an eternity in hell. But not all people who are homosexual are in that boat.
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To Persist, or to Repent?
IMGB007 wrote: "Is there the slightest chance that there could be a homosexual who recently came to Christ and doesn't know that God isn't pleased with homosexual acts? Or perhaps there is a homosexual who is struggling to stop acting out because he or she knows it is against God's wishes, but just hasn't been able to completely stop yet? What about the Christian who constantly covets what his neighbor has (jealousy)? What about the Christian who is filled with hatred towards others? What about fits of rage? If one says that anyone who partakes of a homosexual act is automatically going to hell, then you have to be consistent and say that anyone who does any of those other things is hellbound as well."

This is worth considering and discussing. The issue here, biblically, is persistent sin versus repentance. It is one thing to struggle with a pattern of sin that one finds themselves falling back into from time to time, and when they do sin promptly returning to the Lord and sincerely repenting of it. But remember that repentance is much more than "God I'm sorry," and then going "cruising." To repent means to change direction, to consciously turn from the path we are on, and walk again in Christ. Perversion and abomination will not be brought into His heavenly kingdom...we must truly and humbly repent of sin.

We also, as Christians, need to know that Christ is not a liar, a trickster, nor a cheat. When He saves us, He really does set us free. I refuse to believe that any sinner (be it sexual sin, or any other sin)can truly repent, and just be left dangling in the wind by Christ. One may struggle from time to time, but Jesus Christ makes good on His promises. The Holy Spirit will lead the saved into all truth. As one humbly walks out repentance, God gives grace upon grace, and as one puts on the whole armour of God, one is protected more and more. If we are simply content to sin and confess, and sin and confess, and sin and.....without truly and humbly repenting, then I am afraid that we can have no part in Him. Make no mistake; He is Holy, and there will be none of this in His heavenly Kingdom.

I spoke rashly and in anger the other day, and after consideration I edited my original post on this article. Also, I have slammed Rossi pretty badly in the past, and although we are much more congenial to each other at present, I want to say publically that I repent of that as well. I know he has strong opinions, and he certainly has a right to express them; and should be able to do so freely here. My tendency is to "stomp" on things that really "get my goat," and with God's help I hope to confront without malice.

Faithfully,
Fr. Mike
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So ++Maze has been led into a different place. By a Spirit.
Gee. It surely is not claimed to be the spirit of the Windsor Report now, is it?
What Spirit, really, is motivating ++Maze?
Could it be . . . the Spirit of the world?
Could it be . . . money?
Could it be . . . political correctness?
could it be . . . expediency?

Whatever spirit is moving ++Maze, I would wish to communicate to him that he had better check his spirit guide. From the Scriptures it appears to me that the Spirit he is following is going to the wrong place.
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Hey mathman
The a-mazing bishop of Arkansas isn't an archbishop, so I believe he only rates one "+" before his name.... unless you mean for us to understand that he's double-crossing Someone. Personally, from what's reported here, I think he rates a "-"!
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Why not make Bill Clinton feel welcome and bless his extra-maritial affairs? They should re-consecrate this joker Bishop Daze.
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My Oxford dictionary defines "maze" as 'confusion, confused mass etc.' Sounds about right to me! Is there a Central Casting for bishops? They all seem so much the same these days.
Does anybody out there know how many bishops it takes to change a lightbulb?
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It doesn't take a wordsmith to tell the truth. You have to be more creative when you tell a lie. This idiot parsing of "we don't have a formal liturgy for it, so it doesn't exist" is such a total sham.

This satanic line of logic destroys the credibility of anyone who utters it. I'm not surprised it has become the mantra of TEC post GC2006.
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Does anybody out there know how many bishops it takes to change a lightbulb?

THE ANSWER: NONE TEC bishops have no interest in light -- only darkness. They don't change light bulbs? They simply do all in their power to extinguish the light wherever they go.
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"This idiot parsing of "we don't have a formal liturgy for it, so it doesn't exist" is such a total sham."

Yes, and in the worst sense of the word. It's an intentional act of deceit.

One of the things that used to hold us together was "Common Worship," meaning the use of the same words (though with differing degrees of ceremonial) in all of our services. "Lex orandi, lex credendi" was our rule, a rule expressing our recognition that the words of worship both reflect and shape our beliefs.

That died in ECUSA with the adoption of the '79 Prayer Book, and what has replaced it is an "anything goes" approach to liturgy. This is not a trivial matter, because liturgy really does both reflect and form theology. When "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" is replaced by "Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctifier," more has been abandoned than a form of words, and when parishes or dioceses develop and use quasi-sacramental services to bless same-sex unions, they are essentially declaring their commitment to a theological position that is at variance with scripture, tradition, the unbroken teaching of the church for two millennia, and the vast majority of living Christians.

In short, it is an act of defiant separation, and no amount of verbiage, however artful, can change that.
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Hmmmmm...

I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but what you don't understand is that what you think you understand is not what I meant.

Boy, my head is spinning after reading what I think the Bishop said>

Give God reason to smile today.
Morangie
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Posted: 2006/7/20 14:22  Updated: 2006/7/20 16:03
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 Re: ARKANSAS: Episcopal Bishop Gives Nod For Gay Blessings
chalice
Thanks for answering my question. I have a lightbulb that needs changing and I thought that bishops like Maze might be useful for SOMETHING. Guess I'll have to do it myself.....
Piedmont
Posted: 2006/7/22 20:09  Updated: 2006/7/22 20:09
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 Re: ARKANSAS: Episcopal Bishop Gives Nod For Gay Blessings
Larry Maze is not limiting his "pastoral concern and care" to local parishes. He recently held a news conference on Capitol Hill to advocate defeat of the Federal Marriage Amendment. Clink on the link from the Episcopal News Service (ENS).

http://www.ecusa.anglican.org/3577_74965_ENG_HTM.htm
xecusa
Posted: 2006/7/23 11:31  Updated: 2006/7/23 11:31
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 Re: ARKANSAS: Episcopal Bishop Gives Nod For Gay Blessings
IMG:

Keep in mind, that yes all repentant sinners have a shot for salvation in Jesus Christ. The problem with the current homosexual agenda, is they are not repentant because they simply don't think their lifestyle is sinful. Otherwise, why on earth would they expect to have their lifestyle blessed...pretty tough to bless sin.
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