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News : TIME MAGAZINE: 10 Questions For Katharine Jefferts Schori
Posted by Robert Turner on 2006/7/11 20:20:00 (4862 reads)



Monday, Jul. 10, 2006
10 Questions For Katharine Jefferts Schori

Rough waters aren't new to Katharine Jefferts Schori, 52, a former oceanographer who is the Presiding Bishop-elect of the Episcopal Church of the U.S.A. Bishop Katharine, as she's known, takes over a denomination rocked by controversy at home and abroad for its liberal stance on gay clergy. She talked with TIME's Jeff Chu about her mission of social justice, the relationship between science and religion and whether faith in Jesus is the only path to heaven.



What will be your focus as head of the U.S. church? Our focus needs to be on feeding people who go to bed hungry, on providing primary education to girls and boys, on healing people with AIDS, on addressing tuberculosis and malaria, on sustainable development. That ought to be the primary focus.

The issue of gay bishops has been so divisive. The diocese of Newark, N.J., has named a gay man as one of its candidates for bishop. Is now the time to elect another gay bishop? Dioceses, when they are faithful, call the person who is best suited to lead them. I believe every diocese does the best job it's capable of in discerning who it is calling to leadership.

Many Anglicans in the developing world say such choices in the U.S. church have hurt their work. That's been important for the church here to hear. We've heard in ways we hadn't heard before the problematic nature of our decisions. Especially in places where Christians are functioning in the face of Islamic culture and mores, evangelism is a real challenge. [But] these decisions were made because we believe that's where the Gospel has been calling us. The Episcopal Church in the U.S. has come to a reasonable conclusion and consensus that gay and lesbian Christians are full members of this church and that our ministry to and with gay and lesbian Christians should be part of the fullness of our life.

The Archbishop of Canterbury, who leads the Anglican Communion, wrote recently that a two-tier Communion may be a solution. What did you read in his message? The pieces that I saw as most important had to do with the complexity of the situation and the length of time that this process will continue. He's very clear that we're not going to see an instant solution. He's also clear about his role: it is to call people to conversation, not to intervene in diocesan or provincial life--which some people have been asking for.

There's much debate about whether science and religion can comfortably coexist. You're a scientist and a pastor. What do you think? Oh, they absolutely can. In the Middle Ages, theology was called the queen of the sciences. It asks a set of questions about human existence, about why we're here and how we should be in relationship with our neighbors and with the divine. And science, in this more traditional understanding, is about looking at creation and trying to understand how it functions.

What is your view on intelligent design? I firmly believe that evolution ought to be taught in the schools as the best witness of what modern science has taught us. To try to read the Bible literalistically about such issues disinvites us from using the best of recent scholarship.

Is belief in Jesus the only way to get to heaven? We who practice the Christian tradition understand him as our vehicle to the divine. But for us to assume that God could not act in other ways is, I think, to put God in an awfully small box.

Pastoral work can be all-consuming. How do you relax? I run regularly. I like to hike, and I take one long backpacking trip a year. Flying is also a focusing activity. I come from a family of pilots, and it's always been part of my experience. It takes one's full attention, and that's restful in an odd kind of way. It takes your mind away from other concerns, not unlike meditation.

Do you have a favorite Bible verse? Chapter 61 of Isaiah is an icon for me of what Christian work should be about. That's what Jesus reads in his first public act. In Luke, he walks into the synagogue and reads from Isaiah. It talks about a vision of the reign of God where those who are mourning are comforted, where the hungry are fed, where the poor hear good news.

What is your prayer for the church today? That we remember the centrality of our mission is to love each other. That means caring for our neighbors. And it does not mean bickering about fine points of doctrine.



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Comedy and tragedy ... how lucky can we get![i]
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Posted: 2006/7/12 3:32  Updated: 2006/7/12 3:57
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"Our "vehicle to the divine?" What in blue blazes is she thinking here? Has she never heard this?: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life," saith the Lord. "NO man cometh unto the Father but by me. He who hath seen me hath seen the Father." There is NO OTHER WAY to get to Heaven! She thinks there is, and she is WRONG! DEAD wrong!

Too bad she didn't stick to oceanography, because if she's in charge, The Episcopal "Church" is in for a long, long plunge into the cold black Abyss!

Cennydd
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Posted: 2006/7/12 4:14  Updated: 2006/7/12 4:14
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C'mon guys.... KJS is PERFECT to lead your HOB: she's an expert in spineless creatures completely at sea. What more could you want!?
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Posted: 2006/7/12 4:23  Updated: 2006/7/12 4:23
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Blasphemy.

Yep, TEC elected a full fledged, card carrying pagan for PB. Unfortunately, no surprise here.
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/7/12 4:37  Updated: 2006/7/12 4:37
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Is belief in Jesus the only way to get to heaven? We who practice the Christian tradition understand him as our vehicle to the divine. But for us to assume that God could not act in other ways is, I think, to put God in an awfully small box.

There is a lie. KJS is saying that Jesus is lying or the Bible is false. All will have to come to Jesus at some point or the other to get to the Father. No one of reasoning age and exposure to Jesus will be without excuse.

BHTech
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"We who practice the Christian tradition understand him as our vehicle to the divine. But for us to assume that God could not act in other ways is, I think, to put God in an awfully small box."

Mat 7:14 But the gate is narrow and the way is difficult that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

John 14:6 Jesus replied, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me
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"The Episcopal Church in the U.S. has come to a reasonable conclusion and consensus that gay and lesbian Christians ..."

A reasonable conclusion and consensus?

A reasoned conclusion and consensus controlled by Louie Crew's web site... the sordid ecclesiastics of Spong and Griswold, et al... the emergence and practice of feminist priests (many who are lesbians)singing New Age hymns...
the chorus of bisexual priests and bishops applauding the homosexual agenda in ECUSA/TEC... all joined in fits of ecstasy for overwhelming conservatives who have been cowered by the task of confronting evil and sin.

Here we have a church given over to itself as a function of God's wrath. (Rom 1:18-32)

And Katharine Jefferts Schori is the point person who will now manipultate the Communion, with ECUSA/TEC monies as Griswold has in the past, in the name of "reconciliation" while imploring the poltical utility of "converstaion".

And for those who rebuke ECUSA/TEC and Schori"s administration: 1Thess 5:9 !!
MarkP
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But I have this complaint against you. You are permitting that woman--that Jezebel who calls herself a prophet--to lead my servants astray. She is encouraging them to worship idols, eat food offered to idols, and commit sexual sin...But I also have a message for the rest of you in Thyatira who have not followed this false teaching (`deeper truths,' as they call them--depths of Satan, really). I will ask nothing more of you except that you hold tightly to what you have until I come. (Revelation 2:20,24-25 NLT)

It fits...
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Please, because ENGLISH isn't my first language
I didn't got what she means when in the second
she says"THAT'S WHERE THE GOSPEL HAS BEEN COLLING
US". IS SHE TALKING ABOUT THE "HOLY GOSPEL
ACCORDING TO SAINT JUDAS"?
rossi
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More translation help please, when she says"OUR
VEHICLE TO THE DIVINE" IS SHE TALKING ABOUT
ALIENS FLY PLATES".IS SHE SAYING THAT WE WILL
GO TO HAVEN IN ALIENS FLY PLATES?
rossi
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Dear Mr Virtue

Could you have a other website in PLAIN
ENGLISH for people like me and Peter Akinola,
that English is not our first language.Because
I do not wont these First World white liberals
anglicans colling us BIGOT,HOMOPHOBICS OR
THIRD WORLD IGNORANTES.
Yours faithfully
Rossi
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Hello Brother Rossi,

I belive by "ALIENS FLY PLATES" you are referring to "flying saucers". But your phrase is perhaps more colorful!

Blessings in my first language,

Joe of the Mountain
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This flake is a real piece of ... ahem, uh -- WORK. Yes, she is a real piece of work!
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Hi KELPIE, how are the things north of the border
Do you have any news of the graet theologyan
+RICHARD HOLLOWAY? I havent from him for a while.
If you see him, can you ask him to write some
stuff ,giving us some light and help us bigot
homophobics to understand better those men who
like other man in their backs doing that dirt
thing that good ESSO used to write about.
rossi
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If I write two or three book about how wanderful
is gay theology and inclusive church like ++ Dr
Rowan Willians,would you call me a theologian,
adress me as Dr. Rossi,because here in Britain
titles are very important.Do you think I would
have any chance of being elect bishop in one
TEC diocese.
quissum
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Is she being inadvertently prophetic here?

Do you have a favorite Bible verse? Chapter 61 of Isaiah is an icon for me of what Christian work should be about. That's what Jesus reads in his first public act. In Luke, he walks into the synagogue and reads from Isaiah. It talks about a vision of the reign of God where those who are mourning are comforted, where the hungry are fed, where the poor hear good news.

Let's look at the broader context:

The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me, because the LORD has anointed Me to preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound; to proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God

Our Lord Jesus did indeed read the first part to which she refers; the latter part in boldface He did not read at that time. This is very likely due to the "good news" purposes of the Kingdom of God then drawing near in the Person of the Messiah. Is it possible that two thousand years later, in our times, the latter part, God's Judgment, is descending upon a church that so radically has altered the Gospel proclaimed by the Savior from the good news of spiritual salvation to social "justice" for which Christ's sacrificial death has no meaning?
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rossi
I hear that Bishop Holloway is going to church again.... which may give you an idea how things are going north of the border.....
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/7/12 10:37  Updated: 2006/7/12 10:38
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Our focus needs to be on feeding people who go to bed hungry, on providing primary education to girls and boys, on healing people with AIDS, on addressing tuberculosis and malaria, on sustainable development. That ought to be the primary focus.

And the Gospel is where in all of this?

I'm so pleased that we have an Anglican Provence of Christ the King Church relatively nearby. For those that choose to stay in the Episcocult, enjoy your new wiccapagan shaman.
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Posted: 2006/7/12 11:32  Updated: 2006/7/12 11:32
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I, too, find Mrs. Shori's selection of Isaiah 61 curious. She makes no secret of her promotion of the homosexual agenda, including SSB/SSM, but I wonder how she interprets Isaiah 61:10 -

"I delight greatly in the LORD;
my soul rejoices in my God.
For he has clothed me with garments of salvation
and arrayed me in a robe of righteousness,
as a bridegroom adorns his head like a priest,
and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels."

Bridegroom = male
Bride = female

Or am I missing something here?
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1) Focus - no mention of bringing people to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, no mention of meeting spiritual needs... it sounds like someone from UNICEF talking, not a Christian church.

2) Homosexual leaders - let every diocese do what they feel is best? No regard whatsoever for what Scripture has to say on the subject.

3) ECUSA's impact on Anglicanism - this is a very disingenuous response, for the Episcopal Church was well-warned before the elevation to Bishop of active homosexual Gene Robinson that doing such could "tear the fabric" of the Anglican Communion at it's deepest level. That it has done.

4) Two-tiered Communion - orthodox believers have no choice but to seek intervention on provincial and diocesan levels when revisionists are running off with their church.

5) Science - this is the most painless response in the interview.

6) Evolution - recent scholarship is becoming less and less supportive of evolution; the more we learn, the less the theory is holding up to scrutiny... this is also not a surprise response since her low opinion of the Bible's voracity is displayed elsewhere.

7) One Way - this is the statement that she will have the hardest time defending on Judgment Day... Jesus Himself said, "No man comes to the Father, but by Me"; Ms Schori has, in effect, called Jesus a liar.

8) Relax - nothing wrong with this statement on the surface, but I'm still left to wonder how much time (if any) she spends in the Word...

9) Favorite verse - This is a very superficial interpretation of this passage; here is what Jesus read:
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me,
Because the Lord has anointed me
To bring good news to the afflicted;
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to captives
And freedom to prisoners;
To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord

This certainly can be interpreted to mean people's physical needs, but we know from the totality of Christ's teachings that He meant far more than that... the affliction of sin, the brokenheartedness of being separated from God, captives of sin, imprisoned by it... Christ came first and foremost to forever free us from the chains of sin and death, allowing us through His ultimate sacrifice to stand before God bathed in Christ's own goodness... but all this comes from a right knowledge of Him through His Word and the Holy Spirit. This is what the Great Commission is all about - bringing people to a saving knowledge of Christ.

10) Prayer - fine points of doctrine??? P-L-E-A-S-E! Is Jesus the Way, the Truth and the Life? You say A way, A truth, A life. Is the Bible God's inerrant Word to us? You say it is not. Jesus affirmed the Genesis account and Old Testament law (such as that dealing with sexual immorality), you deny them... what do you consider to be a major point of doctrine?

It is sad to see where a once Christly denomination has come. May God have mercy on those too blind to see this and shake the dust of the Episcopal church from their feet as they leave it.
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So, if the leader-to-be of a national church denies basic Christian doctrine at every opportunity, as Mrs. Schori (I won't dignify her by pretending she's a bishop) does in this piece, then I guess it's safe to say the madmen have won.

Michael Savage said, "Liberalism is a mental disorder." I would say liberalism inevitably leads to the labor camp, the Stalinist purge, the millions dead. The Griswolds, Schoris and Crews of this world are merely an extension of the spirit of Stalin, Pol Pot and Kim Jong Il into what was a sacred space.

"It's a [ecclesiastical] Holiday in Cambodia, where you'll do what you're told"--Dead Kennedys
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Posted: 2006/7/12 12:29  Updated: 2006/7/12 12:29
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 Dr. Rossi:
You have an interesting group of posts, there.

The attempt at humor in a difficult language was even successful. I agree with all your posts.

In order for me to call you "Dr. Rossi", you must promise me that when you give a cup of water in Jesus name, that you don't get government to do it for you. In order to give a cup of water in Jesus name, one must first earn that cup of water. Please don't expect government to point a gun at your neighbor and demand that he give his water to you so that you can give it in Jesus name. If you can remember and do that, you will always be "Dr. Rossi" to me.

Don
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Q: There's much debate about whether science and religion can comfortably coexist. You're a scientist and a pastor. What do you think?
A: Oh, they absolutely can. In the Middle Ages, theology was called the queen of the sciences...

To which she should have added: ... and we're halfway there all over again! Why, even now my province is known world wide as the queen of the anglican communion!

This is too easy. Am I going to be punished for this?
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Posted: 2006/7/12 12:41  Updated: 2006/7/12 12:41
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And here I thought the focus of the church is to spread the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Silly me! If that is not the church's focus, whose is it?
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"...spineless creatures lost at sea... !!!

This definitely is one of the wittiest comments I've seen. The look of puzzlement and lack of eye contact I'm getting from TEC's suggests they have no explanation and do not wish to understand.... It is painfully clear ( and I'm sorry if this sounds haughty or judgemental) that ECUSA and now TEC is packed with folks who have no faith but tradition and no faith but the 'Church'... That "Faith once delivered" has come in the form of this pagan Schori.... I'm sorry but those folks still left in the ECUSAN pews deserve her. Let's get on with the serious work of God's Church. Doc
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Schori says: "We've heard in ways we hadn't heard before the problematic nature of our decisions."

Ahem. Yes, yes, you have. DOES ~ 130,000 REFUSING YOUR AUTHORITY AND MAKING REAL LIFE PREPARATIONS TO FIND OTHER LEADERSHIP IN A MATTER OF DAYS "SAY" SOMETHING TO YOU?

You are:
...Ever hearing, but never understanding...
Don't you wonder why?
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My, how seemingly small things can reveal such huge differences! For example, compare Psalm 19:1-3

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork.
Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night reveals knowledge.
There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard.


with the following remark:

What is your view on intelligent design? I firmly believe that evolution ought to be taught in the schools as the best witness of what modern science has taught us. To try to read the Bible literalistically about such issues disinvites us from using the best of recent scholarship.

Here, in a nutshell, lurks the malevolent spirit of revisionism haunting the Episcopal Church (and many other denominations as well), i.e. by what authority do we believe and know? The conflict began with the first "Did God really say...?" in Genesis 3. So simplistically to associate "intelligent design" with a 'biblical literalism' that "disinvites" (gasp! = non-inclusive!) reveals the deep-seated arrogance of modernity so characteristic of the 'advanced perspective' to which such thinking suscribes. If God is not Creator and Sustainer, then results a deism or some sort of evolutionary materialism (at the base of the prevalent 'process theology'), neither of which is willing to accomodate the God of the Bible. This is not a small matter, folks; where one begins is highly determinant of where will end up in his/her thinking. Don't be fooled: while such issues as sexuality are 'fighting words,' how we regard the relation of our world to God and of ourselves in it is the starting point.

By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible (Hebrews 11:3)
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Dear Simpletons and the unenlightened,

Quoting the Bible (ie The Word of God)will get you nowhere with TEC. Using logic and reason seldom work either on the luminati. Obviously, these are the anit-semitic/anti-pc verses of the Bible that will be unceremoniously removed from the mind of TEC.

A [s]pirit of some sort now guides TEC and their "new understanding" of mother, child, and womb.

Can't we just all get along--Rodney King.

John+
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Posted: 2006/7/12 14:54  Updated: 2006/7/12 14:59
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Causidicus said: To which she should have added: ... and we're halfway there all over again! Why, even now my province is known world wide as the queen of the anglican communion!

This is too easy...


What's half way about it? Already they can't tell the difference between queens and bishops.

But about this being easy, isn't it strange that it is becomming so much easier to see their error, in their words and in where they stand? Is it because we are learning, that it is easier to see, or is there some great vail being taken away to reveal sin to be exceedingly sinful?

Andy
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I would be scare to ask which'church' Clive+, especially as +Richard is my former Bishop.

Last I heard wasn't he hanging out up at St.Giles with the 'Scoto-catholic' (Presbyterians who want o be Episcopalians).

Seeing the history of our land, methinks it is time for a few more stolls o be thrown (this time in defence of the Prayer Book).

Sad to the think every Scottish Episcopal church has the words "Evangelical Truth, Apostolic Order' outside.

Give my reagars to Barry Buddon.

Pax.

Alasdair+
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I would be scare to ask which'church' Clive+, especially as +Richard is my former Bishop.

Last I heard wasn't he hanging out up at St.Giles with the 'Scoto-catholic' (Presbyterians who want o be Episcopalians).

Seeing the history of our land, methinks it is time for a few more stolls o be thrown (this time in defence of the Prayer Book).

Sad to the think every Scottish Episcopal church has the words "Evangelical Truth, Apostolic Order' outside.

Give my reagars to Barry Buddon.

Pax.

Alasdair+
FrMikeLee
Posted: 2006/7/12 18:52  Updated: 2006/7/12 19:05
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 Re: TIME MAGAZINE: 10 Questions For Katharine Jefferts Schor
Our Primary Focus "ought to be" WHAT?
"What will be your focus as head of the U.S. church? Our focus needs to be on feeding people who go to bed hungry, on providing primary education to girls and boys, on healing people with AIDS, on addressing tuberculosis and malaria, on sustainable development. That ought to be the primary focus."

"Then he told them, 'This is what I meant when I said, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses,in the Prophets, and in the Psalms was destined to be fulfilled.' He then opened their minds to understand the scriptures, and he said to them,'So it is written that the Christ would suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that in his name, repentance for the forgiveness of sin would be preached to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem." (LK 24:44-47

"And he said to them, 'Go out to the whole world; proclaim the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned." (Mk 16:15-16)

Now, as Christians, it would seem to me that proclaiming the gospel, preaching repentance for the forgiveness of sin, and announcing God's unique plan for salvation IN CHRIST "ought to be the primary focus."

This is not to say that the corporal works of mercy, as well as education, and the rest of the PB2B's points are not important(we must also remember that among the works of mercy are the "spiritual works of mercy," which include the admonishing of sinners). Good works are just that; "good works," and as such they are good, and "ought to be" done. However, as with all good works, they are not "the primary focus" for either the Church or the individual Christian.

Like her predecessor, Lady Schori, after the advise given by the elder devil in C.S. Lewis' "Screwtape Letters," seeks to engage the entire church in a great cause. She proposes a cause so great, so noble, and so attractive to the ears of charitable Christians, that it may just be able to supplant the Great Commission as their "primary focus." She is a liar, like her father (+Frank the apostate) before her.
Cennydd
Posted: 2006/7/12 22:55  Updated: 2006/7/12 23:01
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 Re: TIME MAGAZINE: 10 Questions For Katharine Jefferts Schor
FrMike, I wonder how many sermons "Bishop" Jefferts-Schori preached during her five years as a "priest," and I also wonder if she even touched on the teachings of the Faith once delivered to the Saints? My guess is that, like so many women in the pulpit whom I've known personally, she preached on the ills of society and how certain segments of that society have been unfairly treated....or should I say "marginalized?" And paid scant attention to the Word of the Lord, except for the reading of the Gospel during the Eucharist. She strikes me as one who really doesn't believe in what she's reading.

I tremble for the poor people who will come under her charge this November. I earnestly hope and pray that the people of my diocese won't be among them.

Cennydd
LisaO
Posted: 2006/7/12 23:58  Updated: 2006/7/12 23:58
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 Re: TIME MAGAZINE: 10 Questions For Katharine Jefferts Schor
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Could the incoming PB be Frank in drag? She is certainly cut from the same cloth. Come to think of it, I haven't actually seen a photo of them together...

It appears that JS received the same "wonderful" Sunday School education as I. Lots of catch phrases with little scriptural substance. Sin? What's that???

Alas, it appears we face 9 years of more Episcobabblespeak.

For the record, the CORRECT answer to the question "Is belief in Jesus the only way to get to Heaven?" is YES. Particularly when one is the next LEADER of the Church, for God's sake!

Lord save us.

LisaO in hot, steamy, soggy, humidified West Chester, PA.
mathman
Posted: 2006/7/13 0:53  Updated: 2006/7/13 0:53
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 Re: TIME MAGAZINE: 10 Questions For Katharine Jefferts Schor
Told ya.
You could look it up.

You looked for Grizzy2, and you got Jeroboam. You got Manasseh. You got the one who did evil in the eyes of the Lord.

God help any Episcopalians left in TEC. They are on the path to the bad place. They are on the path to the punishment administered to Sodom.

I know. I know. Sodom is mythical. Ignore the stuff found under the Dead Sea. There is nothing there, really. There is nothing there, move on, nothing interesting. just move on.

And there is no God. Trust us. It is just about Justice, Peace, and Reconciliation. Sure. And in Jerusalem, in AD 70, they got a full taste of Justice, Peace, and Reconciliation. Upwards of 1,000,000 died. Some Justice. Some Peace. Some Reconciliation.

Just wait. You have not seen the beginnings yet. The LBGT Church is on the road, and ready to ROAR. And their roar will scare everyone else out of the pews, and the donations and coffers will shrink to ZERO. NIL, for those in the British Isles.

As Jackie Gleason used to say, "and here we go"!
MarkP
Posted: 2006/7/13 1:08  Updated: 2006/7/13 1:11
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 Re: TIME MAGAZINE: 10 Questions For Katharine Jefferts Schor
OK, folks, Schori's diocese is the home diocese of "Las Vegas." You know, "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas."

I think question 11 should have been: "If you're so interested in Peace and Justice, what have you done about organized crime including legalized prostitution and gambling in your own home diocese?"

I image Schori's response would have been something like... If the good people of Nevada, inspired by the Holy Spirit, want legalize whores, then God is clearly doing a new thing in Nevada.

My cursory review of the Diocese of Nevada's web site shows a number of articles about Schori's US and international travels but nothing about the plight of the lost sheep in her own Diocese.
David_Fine
Posted: 2006/7/13 12:34  Updated: 2006/7/13 12:40
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 Re: TIME MAGAZINE: 10 Questions For Katharine Jefferts Schor
FrMikeLee is correct, and said it well.

Time: "What will be your focus as head of the U.S. church?"

KJS: "Our focus needs to be on feeding people who go to bed hungry, on providing primary education to girls and boys, on healing people with AIDS, on addressing tuberculosis and malaria, on sustainable development. That ought to be the primary focus."

Re-read this vision for The Episcopal Church and the expected focus of the newly elected Presiding Bishop.

Can you find anything in it that is specific to Christianity or the Church?

Is there anything that cannot also be the focus of a non-religious or religious but non-Christian organization?

Where is Jesus? Where is the Bible? Where is any life beyond this earthly existence? Where are sacraments? Where is worship? Where is the Book of Common Prayer? Where is sin and salvation?

David
sfbigelow
Posted: 2006/7/13 21:54  Updated: 2006/7/13 21:54
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 Re: TIME MAGAZINE: 10 Questions For Katharine Jefferts Schor
What kind of person believes this. Out primary focus according JESUS is to bring people to HIM

What would we be like now if the disiples had done this instead of spreading the word of JESUS. Would we even be here now discussing this.

I think not

Pray for these people that they relize their mistakes and come back to the true word of GOD
sfbigelow
Posted: 2006/7/13 21:54  Updated: 2006/7/13 21:54
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 Re: TIME MAGAZINE: 10 Questions For Katharine Jefferts Schor
What kind of person believes this. Out primary focus according JESUS is to bring people to HIM

What would we be like now if the disiples had done this instead of spreading the word of JESUS. Would we even be here now discussing this.

I think not

Pray for these people that they relize their mistakes and come back to the true word of GOD
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