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Exclusives : DALLAS: Bishop Stanton Requests Direct Pastoral Oversight from Dr. Williams
Posted by David Virtue on 2006/7/5 22:30:00 (5251 reads)

DIOCESE OF DALLAS: Bishop Requests Direct Pastoral Oversight from Archbishop of Canterbury

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org

DALLAS (7/5/2006)--The Bishop of Dallas, James M. Stanton has written a letter to Dr. Rowan Williams, the titular head of the Anglican Communion requesting a direct pastoral relationship with the archbishop, following the recent ECUSA General Convention that saw a woman elected to the church's highest office who holds views on sexuality at variance with Scripture and the Anglican Communion.

In a pastoral letter to the diocese, Stanton called on Dr. Williams for "direct primatial relationship for the purpose of mission, pastoral support, and accountability."

A spokesman for the diocese, Canon Neal Michell, told VirtueOnline that Bishop Stanton's request differs from the other six dioceses that have sought "alternative primatial oversight" in that he is asking for direct oversight from Dr. Williams and not to "pick a primate".

"The bishop did this because the American Episcopal Church does not have a primate in the same way England has primates (Canterbury and York). In the U.S. Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold (who recently added the title Primate) is only one among many. In the United Kingdom the primate has a direct relationship with a bishop which is not the same as in the US, hence it differs from APO," said Michell.

The Canon for Strategic Development cited an instance where Bishop Stanton went to England to ordain a deacon for the Diocese of Dallas and had to receive permission from Dr. Williams to do so.

Michell told VOL that Bishop Stanton is also appointing a panel to hear the concerns of the people of the Diocese of Dallas to prepare a report for their upcoming diocesan convention which will study their relationship with The Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion.

He said that Christ Church, Plano, the largest attended parish in the Episcopal Church with some 4,000 members which recently pulled out of the Episcopal Church, still recognized Bishop Stanton as its bishop. "We are treading uncharted waters here," said Michell.

The Diocese of Dallas has 40,000 members and is one of the fastest growing dioceses in the Episcopal Church. Bishop Stanton is evangelical and theologically orthodox in faith and morals.

The Dioceses of Fort Worth, Pittsburgh, Springfield, Central Florida and South Carolina have all requested "Alternative Pastoral Oversight" asking Archbishop Williams to assign them another Primate for ecclesiastical control. Dr. Williams has yet to respond.

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DIOCESE OF DALLAS CALL FOR DIRECT PRIMATIAL OVERSIGHT

July 3, 2006

To the faithful People of the Church in the Diocese of Dallas: Grace and Peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

We, the Standing Committee of the Diocese of Dallas, have met and reviewed the actions of the 75th General Convention just concluded.

This General Convention of the Episcopal Church has not, in our view, answered the Windsor Report recommendations with sufficient clarity or resolve to maintain the bonds of affection that hold the Anglican Communion together.

In addition, the General Convention elected to the office of Presiding Bishop one who gave consent to the consecration of the Bishop of New Hampshire in 2003, and who has actually authorized the blessing of sexual relationships outside the bonds of marriage within her Diocese. These are the very sorts of actions which provoked the present crisis in the Communion.

She has also called resolution B033, which calls for restraint in consenting to the consecration of bishops whose manner of life may be problematic for the rest of the Communion, a matter of policy which can be reversed or revised very soon.

Further, the clear teaching of Scripture regarding marriage, human sexuality, God's redemptive work in Christ, and the ministry of this Church, among others, has been further eroded by the actions and resolutions of this General Convention. We hold, and the Canons, Constitution and Customary of our diocese manifest, our commitment to the received historic and biblical faith and teaching of Christ's Church.

The Diocese of Dallas has historically made clear where it stands in relation to the pressing issues before the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion:

* We are committed to the Apostles' teaching and fellowship and the power of Jesus Christ to transform lives; * We are committed to Lambeth Resolution I.10 of 1998 as the agreed teaching of the Anglican Communion on sexuality;
* We are committed to the Anglican Communion Network; and
* We are committed and submitted to the Windsor Report.

We, the Standing Committee, declare our support of and commitment to the vision and way toward an Anglican Covenant set forth by the Archbishop of Canterbury. We call upon the Bishop to provide the next Diocesan Convention with a thorough explanation of the Archbishop's plan.

However, we believe that the lengthy timetable for the realization of such a covenant might well make it ineffectual. We believe the mission of this Diocese, as well as the spiritual health and growth of its congregations, are both compromised and jeopardized by association with leaders and institutions that, by their words and actions, have confused, changed or contradicted the Apostles' teaching. Therefore we call upon the Bishop to disassociate the work of this Diocese from these actions and leadership.

The consequence of the actions of this General Convention are to lead the Episcopal Church to walk apart from the rest of the Anglican Communion and to make necessary a disengagement of those dioceses and congregations which affirm its actions from those who cannot and will not.

To this end, we call upon the Bishop to appeal to the Archbishop of Canterbury for a direct primatial relationship with him for the purpose of mission, pastoral support and accountability.

Further, we ask the Bishop, in concert with all who support the Windsor Process, to lead the diocese in vigilantly pursuing:

* protection of congregations, clergy and assets of the faithful who are resident in those dioceses of the Episcopal Church which oppose, in action or precept, Lambeth Resolution I.10 of 1998;

* effective and adequate episcopal oversight to those same congregations and clergy, and as defined by them, on a long-term basis;

* an appropriate realignment or, if it becomes necessary, an "ordered and mutually respectful separation" of congregations and dioceses who desire to "opt-in" to the Anglican Covenant, proposed by the Windsor Report and the Archbishop of Canterbury himself, as distinct from those portions of the Episcopal Church which do not desire to do so.

Moreover, we call upon our brothers and sisters with whom we are partners in ministry to:

* be diligent in daily prayer and study of Scripture;

* teach and preach the Word of God with increased diligence and discipline;

* be diligent in teaching the Christian virtues of chastity and sexual purity;

* instruct youth and adults, committed to your charge, in the faith once delivered to the saints, and in our Anglican polity, doctrine, discipline, and worship. We ask for your continued prayer for our common mission in the diocese, trusting in our Father's provision, our Savior's love, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Faithfully yours in Christ,

The Rev'd Henry L. Pendergrass Rector, St Nicholas' Church, Flower Mound
The Rev'd Canon David H. Roseberry Rector, Christ Church, Plano
The Rev'd Dwight D. Duncan, SSC Rector, St Matthias' Church, Dallas
Charles A. Hinton, Jr Trinity NE Texas, Mount Pleasant Robert R. Gerber Holy Nativity Church, Plano
Cheryl M. Wetzel Good Shepherd, Cedar Hill
The Episcopal Diocese of Dallas Official Press Statement

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Traktaryan
Posted: 2006/7/6 13:49  Updated: 2006/7/6 13:49
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 Re: DIOCESE OF DALLAS: Bishop Requests Direct Pastoral Overs
Seven! Now serving number 7!
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Posted: 2006/7/6 14:01  Updated: 2006/7/6 14:01
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 Re: DIOCESE OF DALLAS: Bishop Requests Direct Pastoral Overs
Let us never forget that this is all because TEC loves carnal vice more than the Gospel, and most importantly it is the result of love of self more than the love of God.

The lawyer business is about to become even more lucrative.

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rossi
Posted: 2006/7/6 14:03  Updated: 2006/7/6 14:03
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 Re: DALLAS: Bishop Stanton Requests Direct Pastoral Oversigh
With bishop Stanton asking pastoral oversight
direct to Willians.He (Willians), will show
in which side of the fence he is.
melora20
Posted: 2006/7/6 14:31  Updated: 2006/7/6 14:31
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 Re: DALLAS: Bishop Stanton Requests Direct Pastoral Oversigh
I'm a bit confused on a few points.

(the spokesman for the diocese said) Christ Church, Plano, the largest parish in the Episcopal Church with some 4,000 members which recently pulled out of the Episcopal Church, still recognizes Bishop Stanton as its bishop.

Does that mean that the spokesman for the diocese doesn't believe that they have left TEC? If Bishop Stanton is still their bishop, then how are they not still in his diocese?

Bishop Stanton has requested direct primatial oversight by Archbishop Williams.

So effectively he's seeking to join his diocese to the Church of England?

Why does he want direct oversight from a primate who has allowed the apostasy within the Anglican Communion to continue (oh, sorry, I keep forgetting that he claims to be powerless), whose own province, under his leadership, is going in the same direction as TEC?

"The bishop did this because the American Episcopal Church does not have a primate in the same way England has primates."

Did that just suddenly happen, and he's reacting to it? If not, then what is the real reason he did it?

I don't ask these questions to be argumentative. I just don't understand.
Solomon
Posted: 2006/7/6 14:42  Updated: 2006/7/6 14:57
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 Re: DALLAS: Bishop Stanton Requests Direct Pastoral Oversigh
Rossi stated , "With bishop Stanton asking pastoral oversight
direct to Willians.He (Willians), will show
in which side of the fence he is."

Rossi--you raise an interesting hypothetical question to mind. What if when push has come to shove Williams refuses to side with the Bible believing parishes and will not come out against the homo/trans/who gives a rip sexually ECUSA/TEC leadership? He will then have severed a link with the Nigerian and African leadership as well it seems as their statements on the issue were clear and spot on-IMHO.

Has the larger world of Bible believing Anglican parishes pondered the possibility of having to make a total break of Anglicanism altogether depending on the response of Williams? All of this is of course hypothetical and "what if" oriented, but, it seems to me that a wise person will have thought this out and have clear convictions of heart ahead of time as opposed to making purely emotional responses in the heat of the moment--if that moment ever occours. I pray it does not--but I am just asking--what if it does?
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/7/6 14:45  Updated: 2006/7/6 14:46
 Re: DALLAS: Bishop Stanton Requests Direct Pastoral Oversigh
How many more???? Any guesses?

The TEC won't have enough money to cover all legal battels. My own parish can't even cover this years expenses and they just announced that pleges were down this summer.

They should go more orthodox to attract people because the libs are just "me" oriented to give much.
Gideon_FL
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Poster: melora20 Posted: 2006/7/6 14:31:54

I'm a bit confused on a few points.

(the spokesman for the diocese said) Christ Church, Plano, the largest parish in the Episcopal Church with some 4,000 members which recently pulled out of the Episcopal Church, still recognizes Bishop Stanton as its bishop.

Does that mean that the spokesman for the diocese doesn't believe that they have left TEC? If Bishop Stanton is still their bishop, then how are they not still in his diocese?


ANSWER: Here we see the confusion between pastoral and institutional relationships. The relationships between parishes and dioceses and between dioceses and the denomination are primarily institutional relationships. The relationship between the laity and their priest, or between a priest and a bishop, is above all a pastoral one. The good folks in Plano KNOW they are rejecting the TGC (fka ECUSA), but are clear that they do not reject the pastoral leadership of Bp. Stanton.

Bishop Stanton has requested direct primatial oversight by Archbishop Williams.

So effectively he's seeking to join his diocese to the Church of England?

ANSWER: AGAIN, No. this is not about the inevitable institutional realignmment of parishes and dioceses. He is asking for pastoral guidance and support for himself and his priests in an appropriate biblical fashion.

Why does he want direct oversight from a primate who has allowed the apostasy within the Anglican Communion to continue (oh, sorry, I keep forgetting that he claims to be powerless), whose own province, under his leadership, is going in the same direction as TEC?

"The bishop did this because the American Episcopal Church does not have a primate in the same way England has primates."

Did that just suddenly happen, and he's reacting to it? If not, then what is the real reason he did it?

I don't ask these questions to be argumentative. I just don't understand.

ANSWER: Those two options are NOT mutually exclusive.

Faithfully,
Gideon
Gander
Posted: 2006/7/6 16:15  Updated: 2006/7/6 16:15
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Hey, Mr. Virtue, when will we be seeing a map of the "in" and "out" diocese?

Actually, it would be most informative to have a thermometer-type gauge that would indicate the number of people who have expressed a desire to escape TECult. I estimate that it is well over 100,000 souls.

Don
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This is all very nice, but where do these seven dioceses stand with regard to cutting off ALL financial support to TEC/NYC? It's all about money, anyhow. Until the cash stops flowing to the NYC hdq, these dramatic gestures will not have much impact.
MicroCar
Posted: 2006/7/6 17:42  Updated: 2006/7/6 17:42
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melora20:

re "Ď just don't understand"

Bishop Stanton is doing two things. Beginning to separate and forcing ++Williams hand.

Beautifull!

Regards Micropriest
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/7/6 17:43  Updated: 2006/7/6 17:43
 Re: DALLAS: Bishop Stanton Requests Direct Pastoral Oversigh
For some of these diocese, the cash flow to TEC/NYC stopped several years ago after the VGR and 2003 debacles.

Blessings in His Name
iceworm
Posted: 2006/7/6 20:29  Updated: 2006/7/6 20:29
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 The Rooster Request Protection From The Fox
Well, perhaps the metaphor is inaccurate. Perhaps, the important point Bishop Stanton made is the interim nature of the request.

This brings me no joy.
Truthseekr
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 Re: DALLAS: Bishop Stanton Requests Direct Pastoral Oversigh
Bishop Stanton has my respect.

However, I do not understand what this means:
Quote:
Stanton called on Dr. Williams for "direct primatial relationship for the purpose of mission, pastoral support, and accountability."


when the other conservative dioceses have gone more for:
Quote:
saying they were requesting "alternative primatial oversight" from the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Primates of the Anglican Communion and the Panel of Reference.


does anyone know if Bishop Stanton's request, included a request specifically included
"the Primates of the Anglican Communion" as part of the statement ?

or is that still up in the air...
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/7/6 22:54  Updated: 2006/7/6 22:55
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Truthseekr,

"direct primatial relationship for the purpose of mission, pastoral support, and accountability." is a request for alignment directly under the ABC.

"alternative primatial oversight" is a request for primatial relationship under anyone other than the 'primate' of the ECUSA.

In other words it is a 'directed' request rather than general request for 'anyone'.


Blessings in His Name
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/7/7 0:12  Updated: 2006/7/7 0:12
 Re: DALLAS: Bishop Stanton Requests Direct Pastoral Oversigh
Since these requests seem, even in an offhanded way, directed at Schori will she make it to investure?

My mother read in the local paper (I know, not a good source) about some vote that still has to be done. If true one can always hope the heretic won't make it.
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 Re: DALLAS: Bishop Stanton Requests Direct Pastoral Oversigh
Money. It is all about money. When the money stops what will Quean Lutibelle (Louie Crew) do?
melora20
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Thanks for the answers, Gideon. I'm pretty sure that I don't understand them, but I appreciate them.
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I can understand why they're all contacting Abp. Rowan Atkinson, but it would have been REALLY interesting if they had got in touch in the first instance with the House of Bishops of the Scottish Episcopal Church. We gave you guys the gift of the Episcopate in the first place. Too shame-faced to show us what you've done with it? Never mind... we're going the same way!!!
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/7/7 10:00  Updated: 2006/7/7 10:00
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Xcusa2

We can't be sure Queenie gets his money from church funds. Most probably comes fron the Gay rights activist orginazitons.

Lets face it. The liberal feminist and gay orginizations infecting the major demoninations are there to destroy Christanity. Which they are doing. They don't care that much about the money, just their agenda.
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I have been a communicant in the Diocese of Dallas for many decades. I fully support the ECUSA and the Presiding Bishop- elect. That does not mean that I agree with her, nor do I share her theological views (I do not,) but I will have nothing less than a church big enough to hold both of us. I am an Episcopalian first and foremost. As such, I don’t believe that my church is the sort of Episcopal Church that the Bishop of Dallas has in mind for our future in this diocese since his desired church is apparently not big enough to hold him and the Presiding Bishop-elect, along with those who believe as she does. That is, of course, his right to believe. This is America.

As a person of deep and abiding faith, I am not worried about my religious future and that of my family here in Dallas. We all wish to remain in the ECUSA with the Presiding Bishop-elect and will do so no matter what. That is because I am old enough to have heard all of this before in the 1950s and early 1960s regarding African-Americans. There were priests and bishops back then, here in Texas, who openly argued that Blacks should not participate in the full life of the Episcopal Church except in segregated parishes. I know they said such things because I was there and heard them personally; sometimes they quoted scripture and our “Anglican traditions” as justification for their views. I specifically recall one priest who said in a sermon that he loved Black people and some of them were his good friends. As such, Blacks would be welcomed with Christian love to sit in the pews of his parish but he would never allow them to hold any positions of leadership.

Now analogous rhetoric today comes from some quarters here in the Dallas-Ft Worth Metroplex about questions regarding leadership postions for gays and women. In the end, I believe that those who manifest the orthodoxy of “ultimate scriptural truth” on these issues will fare no better across the long haul of our nation’s future than have the segregationists of the 1950s and 1960s. History will have judged neither group to have been in step with the progression of mainstream American life, where the majority of loyal Episcopalians in this nation will remain under the ecclesiastical heirarchy of the Presiding Bishop of the ECUSA– including many in the Diocese of Dallas.

I am hence of the opinion that, like the vocal segregationists of fifty years ago, the current nexus of vocal orthodox Network people, who are capturing so much attention as a national minority in the church, will eventually have withered away by some point in the distant future. That will be so because the center always holds across time, not only in our church, but in all aspects of American life. That has even been true here in Dallas, although we have had our missteps in the past. But between that future and now, to quote Margo Channing, “fasten your seats belts, its going to be a bumpy night.” We have the light of Christ to see us through that night.
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JackKelley,

You draw too many parallels from the past. This matter is NOT the same. There is no way that the "church" will remain united, with the "orthodox" slowly withering away. What will happen is that once the orthodox have the organization necessary to insist that Anglicans follow the faith once delivered, hundreds of thousands of former Episcopalians will rejoin the orthodox in numbers and with enthusiasm that will astound you and Schori.
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You draw too many parallels from the past. This matter is NOT the same. There is no way that the "church" will remain united, with the "orthodox" slowly withering away. What will happen is that once the orthodox have the organization necessary to insist that Anglicans follow the faith once delivered, hundreds of thousands of former Episcopalians will rejoin the orthodox in numbers and with enthusiasm that will astound you and Schori.

Agreed. I'm in a fence sitting diocese. Our family has recently made arrangements to leave ECUSA and join another Anglican body. I couldn't be happier.
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Marlin, I believe that all ten of the Network dioceses will follow Bishops Iker, Schofield, Stanton et al. There will be no turning back, and I think that Archbishop Williams has begun to make it clear....in his typically understated British way....just where he stands. He will take his time, but I believe that he will act in support of orthodox Anglican Christianity. I think that the decision of the Church of England's General Synod this week to allow the appointment of women to the episcopacy is going to force his hand.

Cennydd
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Posted: 2006/7/9 19:29  Updated: 2006/7/9 19:29
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I look to see him do whatever it takes to make the communion stable. He already has layed asside his personal feelings to go with the majority consensis.

He has tried to mediate but I think he has found his back is pinned to the wall. He won't allow the minority to destroy the Communion even if he has to cut them out to preserve it. His mind is not on one provance, but the world church.
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 Re: DALLAS: Bishop Stanton Requests Direct Pastoral Oversigh
Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus:

......and then there were three left from the Network to declare where they stand; Albany, Rio Grande and Quincy. Any quesses anyone?

Blessings,
Smoke+
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