NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Bishop Candidates
News Analysis
By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
6/29/2006
In an act of defiance that will only heighten already strained tensions within the Anglican Communion, the Episcopal Diocese of Newark has allowed an actively gay priest to be considered as a replacement to outgoing Bishop John Croneberger.
The Very Rev. Canon Michael Barlowe is one of four candidates seeking the job as the 10th Bishop of Newark and the most in your face. All the candidates are liberals, not a single one is orthodox. This, after all, is the diocese of Dr. Louie Crew, the first sodomite emeritus of The Episcopal Church and so an orthodox candidate would be unacceptable to this revisionist, ultra gay diocese. He has been campaigning for gays and lesbians since 1974 when he founded Integrity, the Episcopal Church's flagship sodomite organization that has now morphed into LesbiTransGay practitioners.
Barlowe, a former Wall Street banker, is Congregational Development Officer for the Diocese of California. He is a native of North Carolina and has been living with his homosexual partner for 23 years.
His partner is Fr. Paul Burrows, rector of Church of the Advent of Christ the King in San Francisco an historic Anglo-Catholic parish in the Episcopal Diocese of California. It describes itself as an "inclusive parish in the Anglo-Catholic tradition". He is also a spiritual director, a Benedictine oblate of Elmore Abbey in Newbury in England, and a naturalized US citizen. He remains an associate priest of the Walsingham shrine in Norfolk. Barlowe is listed as the "Associate priest" of the parish.
While there is no guarantee that he will be elected the next bishop, (the Diocese of California quickly deep-sixed two gay candidates in recent elections to replace outgoing Bishop William Swing), the very act of having an openly gay man as a candidate represents a level of defiance and rebelliousness, especially in face of recent decisions of General Convention held in Columbus, Ohio.
The passage of Resolution B033 states with absolute clarity; "That the 75th General Convention receive and embrace The Windsor Report and that this Convention therefore calls upon Standing Committees and bishops with jurisdiction to exercise restraint by not consenting to the consecration of any candidate to the episcopate whose manner of life presents a challenge to the wider church and will lead to further strains on communion."
The message was clear - no more sodomite bishops. The Diocese of Newark has no intention of listening apparently. If he is elected, he will be the second openly-gay bishop in the US, after V. Gene Robinson, Bishop of New Hampshire. Another openly gay bishop is Otis Charles, the retired bishop of Utah and retired Dean of Episcopal Divinity School.
Barlowe's candidacy further signals that the chasm is now so wide and deep that any talk of reconciliation between orthodox and liberal/revisionist pro gay Western provinces is now little more than a figment of the Left's imagination.
This act of defiance is particularly egregious in light of the Archbishop of Canterbury's recent defining letter to his 37 Primates that called for a covenant to be signed, specifically setting out agreed Anglican formularies and doctrines if they wished to be counted as "constituent" or full Anglicans. Those unable to sign up will be cast out into mere "associate" status, similar to that presently occupied by the Methodist church.
But the new president of Integrity the Rev. Susan Russell applauded the Diocese of Newark's decision to include a gay candidate in the list of nominees.
Ripping the language of B033, Russell said the General Convention resolution contained veiled language calling for the discrimination against gays and lesbians in this church. "We are very pleased that the Diocese of Newark has declined to be bullied into bigotry."
"Integrity applauds the Diocese of Newark for offering a stellar slate of qualified candidates to replace retiring Bishop John Croneberger -- and is delighted that the list includes the Reverend Michael Barlowe, an openly gay priest who has been in a partnered relationship for 24 years."
Russell said the election of any bishop "whose manner of life" presents a "challenge" to the greater communion is received by Integrity is a tremendous sign of hope for the Episcopal Church and for its commitment to the full inclusion of LGBT people in the Body of Christ. Russell then said this: "We recognize that had the language in question been in place prior to the election of our Presiding Bishop-elect Katharine Jefferts Schori we might not be preparing to celebrate the gift of the first female Primate to the Anglican Communion."
Said Russell, "Our prayers will be with the Diocese of Newark, that they may be given the same faithful courage in electing their next diocesan bishop as the Episcopal Church was given in electing our next Presiding Bishop."
The Rev. John Kirkley, president of San Francisco's Oasis community, a LesBiGayTransgender Episcopal ministry said the nomination of an openly gay priest from San Francisco as one of four candidates to become their 10th Bishop, the Diocese of Newark has reaffirmed that our church does not discriminate against LGBT people.
"The Diocese of Newark refuses to lie about the Holy Spirit's presence in the ministries of gay and lesbian clergy. God can not and will not be restrained but continues to raise up leaders whose manner of life challenges the intolerance, bigotry, and fear now poisoning the Anglican Communion," he added.
Clearly the newly renovated 'stained glass ceiling' put into place to prevent this kind of thing from happening has been shattered by Barlowe's nomination. It may meet with the approval of Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold (who will undoubtedly preside at his consecration as he did Gene Robinson, if he is elected) and there is little doubt that the new Presiding Bishop, Mrs. Schori will also preside.
But one thing is for sure, his nomination and possible election is just one more slap in the face at both the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Global South archbishops and bishops, and a more fundamental statement that the church's pansexualists have no intention of changing their behavior, and by doing so they are not only sending themselves to Hell they are willing to take many with them. The "gospel" of inclusion is not the gospel of transformation.
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An American Anglican Council Statement Regarding the Nomination of a Non-Celibate Homosexual in the Diocese of Newark.
The Episcopal Diocese of Newark has announced its nominees for diocesan bishop and has included a non-celibate homosexual living with his same-sex partner as one of the candidates.
The Very Rev. Canon Michael Barlowe, Congregational Development Officer for the Diocese of California, notes in his personal profile that, "Paul Burrows has been my partner for 24 years. Paul is Rector of Church of the Advent in San Francisco , a spiritual director, Benedictine oblate, and naturalized U.S. citizen." Canon Barlowe's manner of life is contradictory to Scripture and the mind of the Anglican Communion (Lambeth 1.10) and illustrates a theology outside the confines of classic Anglicanism.
In the wake of the Episcopal Church's failure to comply with the Windsor Report at its General Convention 2006, Barlowe's nomination illustrates clearly that those in the Episcopal Church USA (ECUSA) committed to the revisionist agenda with regard to sexuality are willing to sacrifice membership in the Anglican Communion.
We are shocked that just one week after the close of General Convention and one day following release of the Archbishop of Canterbury's statement on the Communion's future, the Diocese of Newark has sent a clear and defiant message nationally and internationally that there will be no turning back.
General Convention's inadequate nod to the Windsor Report, Resolution B033, is tepid and unenforceable legislation calling for "restraint by not consenting to the consecration of any candidate to the episcopate whose manner of life presents a challenge to the wider church and will lead to further strains on communion."
Immediately following approval in the House of Bishops and House of Deputies, a group of revisionist bishops indicated they would not in fact exercise restraint.
It should come as no surprise that an ECUSA diocese would then defy clear teaching of Scripture and Anglican doctrine regarding marriage and sexuality in choosing a non-celibate homosexual as one of their nominations for bishop.
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| frcochran | Posted: 2006/6/29 19:44 Updated: 2006/6/29 19:46 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2004/6/28 From: Posts: 544 |
 Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List ofFirst things first:
That cartoon on VOL's homepage is hillarious. Secondly, I only have three words for the Diocese of Newark: YOU GO GIRL!!! John+ |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/29 19:56 Updated: 2006/6/29 19:57 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of FrCochran said "That cartoon on VOL's homepage is hillarious."
Isn't it! It's a riot. Sad but funny. BHTech |
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| Perelandra | Posted: 2006/6/29 20:00 Updated: 2006/6/29 20:00 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Silly savage sorrow.
We're all living under the same pressure! If gays and lesbians shouldn't be bishops in the Diocese of Newark, who should? It's not like the Diocese of Newark is some bastion of orthodoxy or anything. TEC is expansive, inclusive, progressive and all-embracing. ALL ARE WELCOME!! THERE'S NO END TO WHAT WE BELIEVE GOD WILL BLESS!! |
| db4him | Posted: 2006/6/29 20:17 Updated: 2006/6/29 20:18 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Let's not adopt the politically correct descriptor of "openly" gay, but the correct word, "actively" gay. It's the actions taken by the candidate that are important, not the urges felt, and "actively" better describes the fact that the Very Rev. Canon Barlowe is not just an admitted gay, but is actively living in that lifestlye.
The difference is that it is no sin to be openly gay if you're not acting on the desires, but being active sexually outside the bonds of Holy matrimony disqualifies a candidate for Holy Orders. |
| JRoss | Posted: 2006/6/29 22:07 Updated: 2006/6/29 22:07 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/3/15 From: New Jersey Posts: 896 |
Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Silly savage sorrow.
""We're all living under the same pressure!""' No, some of us are really sorry for what we do to offend our Lord. ""If gays and lesbians shouldn't be bishops in the Diocese of Newark, who should? It's not like the Diocese of Newark is some bastion of orthodoxy or anything."' Only those who proclaim homoeroticism is not a blessed thing that God approves of and mating is to be done between a man and a woman ""TEC is expansive, inclusive, progressive and all-embracing. ALL ARE WELCOME!!""' And declining in numbers, more than other denominations that have accepted the revsionists lie. ""THERE'S NO END TO WHAT WE BELIEVE GOD WILL BLESS!!"" Yes there is and you can find out about it by dusting off your Bible and read, absorb, and inwardly digest. Shift change for the pansexual advocates, I see. |
| MotherJean | Posted: 2006/6/29 22:57 Updated: 2006/6/29 22:57 |
Just popping in Joined: 2004/1/5 From: San Juan Islands, WA State Posts: 7 |
Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Do they allow TROLLS on this forum???
NOTE TO MODERATOR - Take a page out of Free Republic's policy book & ZOT these posters (expunge their comments from the thread). Besides being a good thing for your forum - it can be fun. Sort of like an electronic version of "Wacka-Mole." |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/30 0:17 Updated: 2006/6/30 0:23 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of "Let's not adopt the politically correct descriptor of 'openly'gay, but the correct word, 'actively' gay. It's the actions taken by the candidate that are important, not the urges felt, and 'actively' better describes the fact that the Very Rev. Canon Barlowe is not just an admitted gay, but is actively living in that lifestlye."
___ For some of us, "actively gay" doesn't cut it either. Indeed, it's a sign of how insidious political-correctness has become. First, I don't know what effete buffoon came up with "gay," but it is entirely inapt, as it suggests some sort of careless happiness. One male's sticking his pudendum into another male's excretory organ and finding happiness in ejaculating therein is anything but "gay". It's demented, depraved, and, in the age of HIVAids, not going to lead to happiness, but rather death. As for "actively," talk about sterilizing the concept... O.k., if we cannot say the absolutely common term used in the society for this "activity" (a compound word consisting on the the vulgar term for an anus that starts with a "b" and follows with another vulgar word for copulation that starts with an "f"), then let's have the balls to use the good-old-fashioned biblical term "sodomists." How about that? How about "homoanalfecalsodomists" instead of "actively gay"? Or do we want to lose the battle right out of the box? Esso, where the hell are you?!?!?!?!?!?! |
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| Perelandra | Posted: 2006/6/30 1:21 Updated: 2006/6/30 1:21 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Yes there is and you can find out about it by dusting off your Bible and read, absorb, and inwardly digest.
Shift change for the pansexual advocates, I see. ============ JRoss, What are you talking about? Why can't a partnered gay man be a bishop in the Diocese of Newark? Don't you know that The Episcopal Church is inclusive now? At General Convention 2003 they voted on it. Now, nearly all Episcopalians agree. Jesus loves everyone! He wouldn't turn anyone away. We're past all that kind of prejudice now. We're open and progressive. God is love! The more love you spread around the more God loves it! |
| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/30 1:46 Updated: 2006/6/30 1:46 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Sure thing perelandra, whatever.
But what we orthodox want, oh so badly, is the right to plant orthodox Anglican churches in Newark Diocese. That's all we want: let us put truly bible-believing, Jesus-following Anglican churches in the same place as each ECUSA church and witness. See what will happen....! |
| JRoss | Posted: 2006/6/30 1:56 Updated: 2006/6/30 1:56 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of ""Ross,
What are you talking about? Why can't a partnered gay man be a bishop in the Diocese of Newark?""' He can be in Newark. You might have missed it, but this here is an orthodox forum for global Anglicans who do not agree with you "Don't you know that The Episcopal Church is inclusive now? At General Convention 2003 they voted on it. Now, nearly all Episcopalians agree. Jesus loves everyone! He wouldn't turn anyone away.""" I would venture to say many ECUSANS do not have a clue who the new elected femi-nazi as PB is, let alone what the D of Newark is doing, and they could care less. You are right, Jesus never turns people away. However His inspired writers have recorded His demands of us, as He told the rich young man just what he ,and we, must do to follow him. ""We're past all that kind of prejudice now. We're open and progressive. God is love! The more love you spread around the more God loves it!""" Except when we allow our fellow man to desecrate the Father by accepting, elevating and consecrating publicly blatent unrepentant sinners who decided to change the word of God to reinforce their sins. Same sex mating is a sin, except in the ECUSA. Explain your special knowledge about spreading this so called free love around that allows people to abuse the bodies God gave them? |
| tmcmsail | Posted: 2006/6/30 3:03 Updated: 2006/6/30 3:03 |
Just can't stay away  Joined: 2006/6/19 From: Falls Church, VA Posts: 84 |
Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Years ago, my grandparents drove over 60 miles into PA to get away from Spong and his mess. What a mess, and in such a beautiful a state (New Jersey)
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| Compline | Posted: 2006/6/30 3:12 Updated: 2006/6/30 3:12 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Well it looks like the ArchDruid's declaration surely put TEC on notice and they have responded in kind. It is so bizarre that one can scarcely credit it; I keep thinking this must be some sort of macabre comedic presentation.
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| warmac9999 | Posted: 2006/6/30 9:33 Updated: 2006/6/30 9:33 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of If I remember correctly, the Diocese of Newark is in complete collapse. There are a large number of churches that cannot support their facilities - I believe the number was upwards of 40.
I also note that perelandra hasn't read the Bible in a long time if he or she thinks that Christianity is supposed to include or tolerate anything. Christianity, as is the case with all major religions, has a set of standards and principles, and those standards and principles define the exclusive nature of the religion. The accept anything revisionists are really worth nothing in terms of Christianity - and that is why the churches that practice radical liberal revisionism fail consistently. The homosexualization of the ecusa has driven Christians from the church, and created a major risk for families with children who might have considered the church. My hope is that the Anglican communion at large steps in to redress the problems by isolating the revisionist ecusa - but I am concerned that the passing of 3 years has done too much damage. It is more than a little obvious that the ecusa is in the process of losing diocese and churches. And it is likely that Sunday attendance at ecusa's revisionist churches will be less than 700,000 within the next year -- although it will be interesting to see how all of this is counted if a 10th district is created (count district 10 as Anglican not ecusa). |
| bcwright | Posted: 2006/6/30 10:45 Updated: 2006/6/30 10:47 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of "What are you talking about? Why can't a partnered gay man be a bishop in the Diocese of Newark?"
He can be in Newark. You might have missed it, but this here is an orthodox forum for global Anglicans who do not agree with you Maybe it's just me, but all of Perelandra's posts sound like they're dripping with sarcasm. I'm not sure if that's simply her way of ridiculing the Left, or if she's a troll who may in fact not be on either side but just wants to "get a rise" out of people. In either case I don't think her underlying meaning is the simple surface reading of her articles. (I say "she" because Perelandra is clearly a feminine name, my apologies if that guess is incorrect). |
| hobbit | Posted: 2006/6/30 11:03 Updated: 2006/6/30 11:03 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of bcwright
like you i read it 'sarcasm' and therfore understood the opposite to be the intention. Some people are such 'lietaralists' when it comes to reading VOL????? ECUSA should speak up because i cannot hear her words because of her actions. what a state to be in = saying one thing and doing the other - is that not a definition of 'hypocrisy'? Had Christ Jesus not something to say about that? Oops, silly me but that must have been one of those 'oppressive passages.' that ECUSA has expunged from Scripture - sorry i forgot - whilst i slept there must have been a new council of the Church (universal) to reset the Scriptures (tongue firmly in cheek) God bless hobbit |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2006/6/30 12:52 Updated: 2006/6/30 12:52 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Barlow, Burrows, Russell, Kirkley, Robinson: They all share the same problem:
They keep on hearing, but do not understand, they keep on seeing, but do not perceive. They'll probably share the same fate as well, poor buggers. |
| etagert | Posted: 2006/6/30 13:25 Updated: 2006/6/30 13:25 |
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| gregory | Posted: 2006/6/30 13:34 Updated: 2006/6/30 13:36 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of bcwright, i think you got it right.
stoneridge, right on post you done, thanks. Causidicus, add the troll feetxxxl, that posts on VOL, to the list... Let the Light of Jesus Christ shine which it has even brighter since GC2006. A nightlight at the midnight hour is mighty bright. etagert, you've made my day  humbly, gregory  |
| Perelandra | Posted: 2006/6/30 14:23 Updated: 2006/6/30 14:23 |
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Veil Lifted Poster: bcwright Posted: 2006/6/30 10:45:13
"What are you talking about? Why can't a partnered gay man be a bishop in the Diocese of Newark?" He can be in Newark. You might have missed it, but this here is an orthodox forum for global Anglicans who do not agree with you Maybe it's just me, but all of Perelandra's posts sound like they're dripping with sarcasm. I'm not sure if that's simply her way of ridiculing the Left, or if she's a troll who may in fact not be on either side but just wants to "get a rise" out of people. In either case I don't think her underlying meaning is the simple surface reading of her articles. (I say "she" because Perelandra is clearly a feminine name, my apologies if that guess is incorrect). =============== bcwright, You're right. C.S. Lewis wrote a science-fiction trilogy in which he smuggled in thinly veiled Christian themes, much the same way he did with the Narnia children's books. The first in the series is "Out of the Silent Planet", the second is "Perelandra" and the third is "That Hideous Strength". Perelandra is the story of a man who travels to the planet Venus, whose inhabitants call their own world by the name Perelandra. The original Perelandrans, unlike Adam and Eve, never fell from grace. They are unaware of their own "unfallenness". Progressive revisionists are unaware of their own fallenness. Here I made Perelandra a personna who did nothing but proclaim the "Episcopagan" progressive, revisionist party line. And it came off sounding absurd. I suppose the idea was to suggest that these people must be from some other planet. The intention was never to fool anyone, but rather to be overtly sacrastic, as you detected, and to ridicule the Left's position. I shall now cease and desist. |
| bcwright | Posted: 2006/6/30 17:32 Updated: 2006/6/30 17:32 |
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Re: Veil Lifted C.S. Lewis wrote a science-fiction trilogy in which he smuggled in thinly veiled Christian themes, much the same way he did with the Narnia children's books.
Ah, that explains it. I never read C. S. Lewis' science-fiction series, but somehow the name sounded like it ought to be a literary or historical reference that I should recognize; also etymologically it sounded more like a place name than like a person's name. Thanks for some amusing articles. |
| Perelandra | Posted: 2006/6/30 19:14 Updated: 2006/6/30 19:14 |
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Re: Veil Lifted By the way, the antagonists in "That Hideous Strength" are . . . The Progressives.
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| mcb123 | Posted: 2006/6/30 19:21 Updated: 2006/6/30 19:21 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Really, no big surprise here, from the steepled bath house of Quean Lutibelle. If they go with Barlowe, I wonder if he'll replace the mitre with a black leather biker's cap?
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| Tusker | Posted: 2006/6/30 19:48 Updated: 2006/6/30 19:48 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of There's nothing "gay" about any of this.
My standards are not that high, but bishops and priests and priestesses have to be better than I am. No, this current crop of raging rainbows are not absolutely. There is a presumption that “discussing and listening” (along with a steady drumbeat of remembering to “love” and be “understanding” from the pulpit relative to the insertion of homosexuals, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders and the like into the priesthood and high-church offices) will result in some “common ground” being “discovered” between those embracing this raging heresy, and those opposed. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It occurs to me that we have moved from a myth of reconciliation (nothing more than an agreed upon tactic by ECUSA and its social reformers/engineers to move dissent to acquiescence) to the reality of recruitment into the homosexual, lesbian, bisexual, transgender social agenda being actively promoted by John "no longer believes in any personal God" Sprong , along with Griswold, Moby Dickyanna and company who have joined the ranks of a long list of contemporary professional religious charlatans that includes Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, and Robert Tilton, the only difference being the Episcopal brethren have wasted PhD’s, DD’s or whatever. If one seeks to define cause and rationalize all this, one can point to Aristotle’s definition of incontinence: “…a man’s desires or appetites are in conflict with his reason, precisely in the sense that he desires something bad even while knowing that it is bad …” As Locke defines a drunk, the man “well knows that his use of spirits is bad for him, but the mere knowledge of this cannot be depended upon to extinguish his desire for them….” And so we can at least begin to understand an elemental “cause” for what ECUSA has perpetrated on its fleeing membership and what might confuse “conscience” as super ego with the id, the impact of all this notwithstanding. One assumes, by purposeful intent, that the current language reflects incidentally that of “The Reverend Susan Russell”, that always lovely standard bearer for Integrity, the “ witness of God's inclusive love to the Episcopal Church and the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender community”, who has made it clear to all of us, in the public forum, that those in opposition to a homosexual being elevated to bishop, can simply leave the Episcopal Church and further, we “in the minority” are insignificant in impeding the big bang, irresistible, homosexual/lesbian, transgender (another darling adjectival-noun) agenda’s success. And that is exactly what this is all about : homosexual and lesbian recruiters being elevated to Episcopal “princes-princesses”, and now I must add, priests and priestesses, not where homosexuals, lesbians, cross-dressers and assorted child molesters go to church, about which I could care less. |
| morrismpls | Posted: 2006/7/1 4:36 Updated: 2006/7/1 4:36 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Maybe someone can explain this to me: In 2003 the GC was a wonderful response to "the Spirit" when everything went their way, but when things don't quite go all their way in 2006 the GC is all discrimination and oppression. Boy the "Spirit" deal sure is fickle.
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/7/1 19:34 Updated: 2006/7/1 19:34 |
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Re: Veil Lifted No -- please do not cease and desist!!!
Keep them coming and keep them hilarious! Joe That Hideous Mountainman |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/7/2 7:35 Updated: 2006/7/2 7:35 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Folks….these two stories are breaking over in England now. I thought everyone needs to read this. If you think APO is going anywhere, guess again. However, there are some prophetic statements about where the CofE is heading. These are both from the London Telegraph dateline today July 2, 2006. The first story was by Jonathan Wynee-Jones. Entitled “Liberals May Split From Cantebury over Homosexuals.” Here’s a clip…..
“Liberal clergy in Britain are preparing to turn to America’s Anglican bishops for leadership in a move that could produce “civil war” and destroy the Church of England. The Sunday Telegraph has learned.” “They are considering the drastic action after the Archbishop of Cantebury, Rowan Williams. Delivered a strong warning to liberals that they could be marginalized from the Anglican Church……” “Among the ideas discussed were the twinning of English and American parishes, and inviting more clergy from the U.S. to come to England on placements.” “There is also the radical possibility of an American bishop “overseeing” a liberal parish in this country, whose members feel marginalized by the imposition of traditional beliefs.” Now if any of you think this will stiffen the resolve of Rowan….guess again. Here is another article in the same paper datelined today July 2 as well. This article was posted by Mary Wakefield….here’s a clip….. “The sun was already high over Church Hill in Hertfordshire at 10:30 on Thursday morning as I followed Christina Rees through the garden, up to her front door.” “Christina is American by birth, but a member of our General Synod and chairwoman of Women and the Church (WATCH), which struggles to free the Church of England from patriarchal prejudice.” “And within the hour…she’d explained the Anglican Communion to me, unraveled all its competeing theologies and made it appear suddenly quite clear that despite his recent nod in the direction of the conservatives, the Archbishop of Cantebury will eventually go with the liberal flow….” Christina said “”You want to know what the headlines will be on July 10?” Yes, please. “They’ll all say the same thing: CofE votes for woman bishops!” So after women bishops in the CofE, you think openly gay clergy is next? “Let’s get real,” said Christina. “Look how many of them there are already. It’s just not official yet.” So is Rowan Williams thinking along these lines too? Christina just smiled. And maybe she’s right. It is true that in my part of London, a nice lady priest and her girlfriend run their parish side by side, and in the next door church, a gay priest and his partner do the same. If their spiritual leader thought they were making the Creator cross, surely he’d have put his foot down by now. And here the reporter is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. ROWAN WILLIAMS WILL NOT SEE THE BREAKUP OF THE COMMUNION FOR ANYTHING. HE WILL DELAY APO IF NOT OUTRIGHT REFUSE IT. EVEN IF HE DOES HE WILL NOT CLAMP DOWN ON THE HERETICS IN ENGLAND OR THE US. IT IS BEYOND HIGH TIME FOR YOU ALL TO REALIZE THAT THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND IS NOT IN OUR FUTURE. THE COMMUNION IS BEING BROKEN BY GOD HIMSELF AND IT’S NEW HEADQUARTERS WILL BE EVENTUALLY IN ALEXANDRIA EGYPT UNDER THE AFRICANS. DO YOURSELF THE FAVOR AND BREAK FROM YOUR OLD ESTABLISHED MINDSET…..ONCE AGAIN THE COMMUNION AS WE KNOW IT IS DEAD….DEAD…..DEAD AND SO IS THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND. |
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| gregory | Posted: 2006/7/2 13:41 Updated: 2006/7/2 13:41 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of A response from another place rootbranch's post is posted;
Poster: AlMarsh Posted: 2006/7/2 9:39:04 Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers. General Synod will decide, not the Sunday Telegraph or the somewhat confused Ms Rees. And it will be influenced by how the Anglican Communion shapes up: which is about to become a much more conservative shape. Which i agree one must understand the source and that one can be lead into helping spread false info... FEAR = False Evidence Appearing Real |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/7/3 13:06 Updated: 2006/7/3 13:06 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Oh that blog is hilarious! Speak the words of the Episcopal Information Minister with the voice of Boris Nogoodnick
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/7/3 13:09 Updated: 2006/7/3 13:09 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of Wow. Powerful analysis. Thanks for writing it Tusker.
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| Calphool | Posted: 2006/7/6 21:02 Updated: 2006/7/6 21:02 |
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Re: NEWARK: Defiant Diocese Considers Gay Rector to List of I think I'd just like to state a thought / opinion--more to clear my head of it than to solicit any feedback. Feel free to ignore.
My wife, daughters, and I left the ECUSA in 2004. We left, not because of the fact that there were those (including our bishop) within our church who spread thinly veiled heresy daily. I believe, That, will probably always be with us, regardless of whether our churches grow and thrive, or whether they die a slow death of 1000 cuts. The Enemy is always present, and it’s not as easy as changing our corporate boundaries to keep him at bay—-I know that much for certain. Anyway, our family left because we found something more spiritually nourishing. We stumbled upon a local Methodist church with a theologically grounded pastor. This church is growing rapidly. The pastor says things every single week that aren't exactly politically correct (although I’ve never heard anything mean spirited--it's just plain talking without mincing words). People come in droves. My wife took up sign language so that she could sign the services, in hopes of being able to minister to the deaf one day. I became involved in children's ministries on Wednesday nights. We lead an Alpha group. Christianity became more than a battleground for the theological high road--it became, for us, entwined in our lives. It became more than a Sunday morning “think piece” spouted by a clever Doctor of Divinity, and stale doughnuts in the narthex. Ironically, my wife and I know Fathers Barlowe and Burrows. They baptized our daughters, and we sought spiritual guidance from both of them in different ways. I know for a fact that Father Barlowe is a kind and considerate man who believes that we must always seek to relate to one another as people, and individuals, and to be careful when classifying people. I saw him chastise members of our church who were poking fun at a local church with a "more evangelical flavor" than our church had. He could have easily joined in. He could have poked fun at their disregard for liturgical details. He could have readily scored some quick kudos from that clutch of self important people. He chose to take a stand to defend their faith, and their ethos, even though it wasn’t his own. In other words, I think he believes tolerance goes both ways-—he’s not a radical who’s hell bent on changing things to his personal view of perfection. No man is perfect, and I’m there may be anecdotal examples of where Father Barlowe was less tolerant, but that episode made an impact on me, and I think it represents his attitude in general. I think I started to trust his spiritual guidance more at that point. I could see Jesus' life and actions reflected in the way Father Barlowe conducted himself while he was our Rector. I don't know exactly how I feel about Fathers Barlowe’ and Burrows’ personal lives. While they presided at our church, they were discrete and chose not to make an issue of their lifestyle. My wife and I didn't even know about their lifestyle until one Christmas when we sent Christmas cards, and discovered by accident that theirs were going to go to the same address. We sent them that way anyway. Perhaps I can go far enough to say that I wouldn’t want my children to choose their lifestyle, but not so far as to say that I am convinced that Saint Paul was completely right in his condemnations, or that we can in good faith use the Old Testament "condemnations" against that lifestyle as a club (while all Scripture may be rightly used for teaching and rebuking, once you've attempted to teach something, if it is rejected, there's no point in arguing it more). Further, I think I can have a strong hunch that something is wrong without condemning someone who disagrees. I can teach my children that this isn’t the path we would choose for them, and to the extent that I have any control over that aspect of their lives, I can discourage it. That doesn’t mean that I can rightly condemn these people, or make light of their situation or choices. I can reserve judgment for God, and seek to find ways to work together with those I do not agree with. Who is my neighbor, after all? Nevertheless, schism isn’t always a bad thing I think—-at least not here on earth. Once two groups begin to polarize, and there is no common ground to be had—when we classify one another without knowing one another—when people become things, objects of scorn, when we can no longer see Jesus in another person, it seems likely to me that He would want us to at least stop antagonizing each other. So, brothers and sisters, I would encourage you to embrace mere Christianity, and not Episcopalianism / Anglicanism. If that leads you toward establishing a new “faithful remnant” (either by redefining the ECUSA on the one hand, or by establishing a new church on the other), or to another denomination, so be it—-you’ll be in the company of many saints who have done the same. What’s important is that you experience the Holy Spirit in your new station, both in terms of God’s eminence and imminence--don't settle for a watered down version of one or the other. God is more worthy and awesome than that, and He can (and should) change your life. Make it your goal to learn something new about the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit every day. You won't be able to keep from transforming in His grace! Some of you undoubtedly have already experienced this in your present situation, and that's great--be an active part of the new faithful remnant, and go make new disciples! For those of you who have not experienced this yet, don't be afraid to look around more broadly than just your local parish. It doesn't matter whether your parents or grandparents or greatgrandparents were Episcopalian. When Jesus asks you some day "Who do you say that I am?" it won't matter if Grandma Gertrude is standing behind Him if you can't answer the question, and it won't matter to her if you can answer, but you sat in a Presbyterian, Methodist, or Roman Catholic church for the latter half of your life. Choose today who you will serve! Wishing you all the best as you wrestle to find a way through your struggle, --A Former Episcopalian |
