EPISCOPAL CHURCH BEGINS TO UNRAVEL
By David W. Virtue
6/29/2006
The Following resolutions have been submitted by the diocese of Pittsburgh, South Carolina, and San Joaquin appealing to the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Primates of the Anglican Communion and the Panel of Reference for immediate primatial oversight and pastoral care. There is also a statement from the Primate of Nigeria, Archbishop Peter Akinola
From the Diocese of Pittsburgh :
RESOLVED, that the Bishop and Standing Committee of the Episcopal Diocese of Pittsburgh in good faith hereby join with the other dioceses of the Episcopal Church who are appealing to the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Primates of the Anglican Communion, and the Panel of Reference for immediate alternative Primatial oversight and pastoral care so that a unifying solution might be found to preserve an authentic Anglican community of witness within the United States of America and provide pastoral and apostolic care to biblically orthodox Anglicans in this country regardless of geographical location; and
RESOLVED FURTHER, that the Episcopal Diocese of Pittsburgh, pending final ratification by its 141st Annual Convention, withdraws its consent, pursuant to Article VII of the Constitution of the Episcopal Church, to be included in the Third Province of the Episcopal Church, seeking emergence of a new Tenth Province of the Episcopal Church which is fully Windsor compliant, positioned with that part of the Episcopal Church determined to maintain constituent status in the Anglican Communion.
RESOLVED FURTHER, that the Bishop and Standing Committee commit to work with and care for all the congregations of the Episcopal Diocese of Pittsburgh to prosper their local mission regardless of whether they remain in "constituent" status or might elect otherwise.
From the Diocese of South Carolina :
The Members of the Standing Committee of the Diocese of South Carolina have received with great thankfulness the clear statement from the Archbishop of Canterbury issued to the whole Communion on June 27, 2006 in which he states that disagreements over human sexuality must be settled on the basis of "Holy Scripture and Historic Teaching" and not through "social and legal" considerations. The Archbishop makes it very plain that the dignity and worth of every person is not the question under discussion. Prejudice and bigotry are clearly wrong, and must be exposed and rejected. The rhetoric of "inclusion" has, however, often been used to obscure the Communion's teaching that, on the basis of Holy Scripture, the Church cannot bless same sex unions, nor can we ordain those engaged in homosexual practice.
For this reason, the consecration of Eugene Robinson as Bishop of New Hampshire in 2003 created a crisis in the Communion. The election of a new Presiding Bishop who supported his consecration, and who has advocated and permitted same-sex blessings in her diocese is another painful complication. Archbishop Williams has given his conclusion that the actions of our recent General Convention have not produced a complete response to the challenges of the Windsor Report.
The Archbishop envisions a future for the Communion, through a covenant process, in which full membership will require adherence to those commonly held values found in Holy Scripture and the Sacred Tradition of the Church. Churches unable to agree to the terms of the covenant will be reduced to some kind of "affiliate" status. This work will begin immediately, but will take time for all the details to emerge. As this process unfolds, we wish clearly to number ourselves among the dioceses and parishes that seek full constituent membership in the Anglican Communion.
We also have a mandate to reassure the people of the Diocese of South Carolina that the status quo is now impossible. We have watched with great sadness as the Episcopal Church has, year after year, taken actions and adopted teachings which further and further distance it from the Faith of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. We are grieved that relationships have now been so strained that we are no longer in impaired, but rather broken communion. For that reason, we do hereby request of Archbishop Williams that he, in consultation with the Primates of the Communion and the Panel of Reference, speedily provide alternative Primatial oversight for the Diocese of South Carolina. In a spirit of humility, we acknowledge our own imperfection and sin. We renew our commitment to the Great Commission, to the Holy Scriptures, Creeds and Sacraments of the Church Catholic, and to the reconciliation of the Anglican Family of Churches by means of the full implementation of the Windsor Process.
From the Diocese of San Joaquin :
We affirm the statement made by the Bishop, Standing Committee, and Deputation of the Diocese of Fort Worth on June 19, 2006 regarding Primatial Oversight. Further, we reaffirm the Anglican Communion Recognition Resolution made by Bishop John-David Schofield and the Diocesan Council of the Diocese of San Joaquin on April 8, 2006:
"BE IT RESOLVED, that the Bishop and Diocesan Council of the Diocese of San Joaquin petition the following: 1) those Primates and Provinces of the Anglican Communion who remain unreservedly committed to classic Anglican formularies, teaching and practice, and 2) The Archbishop of Canterbury along with the Anglican Consultative Council for affirmation of its status as a legitimate Anglican diocese in the USA despite the current role of ECUSA, or what it has done heretofore or may do in the future. This petition envisions the continued recognition of this Diocese as a constituent member of the Anglican Communion by as many Primates and Provinces of the same, and by the Archbishop of Canterbury, who acknowledge the Diocese of San Joaquin without relying on subsidiary recognition from or through ECUSA."
Based on our April 8th Resolution, we ask that oversight and pastoral care be provided by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
And from the Province of Nigeria :
The Primate of All Nigeria (Anglican Communion), the Most Rev Peter Akinola has announced the election of new Bishops in the Church of Nigeria.
The election was conducted at the Episcopal Synod of the Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion), which met on Wednesday, June 28 2006, at All Saints Church Wuse Abuja.
The Bishops-elect are:
The Rev Canon Christian Ideh, of Igbudu Christian Centre, Emevor, for the Diocese of Warri.
The Venerable Musa Tula, of St Stephen's Anglican Church Wange-Tula, Gombe State, for the Diocese of Bauchi.
The Very Rev Adebayo Akinde, of the Cathedral of St Peter Ake, Abeokuta, Ogun State, for the newly created Diocese of Lagos Mainland. The inauguration of the diocese will come up in August.
The Rev Canon Martyn Minns of Truro Parish in Virginia, USA was also elected Bishop in the Church of Nigeria for the missionary initiative of the Church of Nigeria called Convocation of Anglican Churches in North America (CANA).
The Pittsburgh move is particularly significant. That diocese has removed its consent to be included in Province III and is "seeking emergence of a new Tenth Province of the Episcopal Church which is fully Windsor compliant, positioned with that part of the Episcopal Church determined to maintain constituent status in the Anglican Communion." Since no one expects TEC to be Windsor compliant any time soon, Pittsburgh has, for all practical purposes, declared its independence.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/29 13:59 Updated: 2006/6/29 13:59 |
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It's ok folks, for as we all know, sodomists will crawl out of the woodwork and swarm to their local TEC parish. They will also I'm certain not only pick up the financial slack from the departing Orthodox devils but will commit to probably five and six figure pledges.
And then the revisionists woke up... |
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| hodgepodge | Posted: 2006/6/29 14:09 Updated: 2006/6/29 14:09 |
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Praise God for these bishops!
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| Causidicus | Posted: 2006/6/29 15:54 Updated: 2006/6/29 15:54 |
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The gauntlet thrown down by GC 2006 has been picked up. Things may be unraveling for TEC but they are definitely improving for those who seek shelter from the heretics and apostates.
There is great change coming and the situation is rife with opportunity for those who are serious about salvaging and rebuilding what is left of the North American Church. It is time to start planning and building the new structures. As for TEC? Let the dead bury the dead. Perhaps these events will even cause England and Ireland to pause and reject revisionism before it is too late for them. |
| Gayle | Posted: 2006/6/29 16:45 Updated: 2006/6/29 16:45 |
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I wish I were in one of those diocese.
I'm in the diocese of Texas, Don Wimberley, fence straddler and lukewarm institutional "conservative" has managed to ***** over orthodox members of this diocese. Oh, he's a big buddy of the ABC and is going to follow Windsor, but he sees no need for APO, since he and Rowan are such good buddies and he has good working relationship with KJS. Read it all. Laodecia. http://www.epicenter.org/edot/GC_BishopStatement.asp?SnID=406513200 |
| Spurrier | Posted: 2006/6/29 17:31 Updated: 2006/6/29 17:31 |
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Diocese of Central Florida joins the ranks.....
PRAISE GOD!!!!!!!! Link: http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/564/ |
| tinpipes | Posted: 2006/6/29 18:06 Updated: 2006/6/29 18:06 |
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Spurrier and all,
Here it is straight from the CF Diocese web site: Central Florida Alternate Oversight Sought |
| ICXCNIKA | Posted: 2006/6/29 18:10 Updated: 2006/6/29 18:10 |
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Spurrier,
haha...just came to post the same story. This is great news, and I'm glad to see +Howe thought through his initial remarks at GC on Schori, spoke with those of his diocese, undoubtedly with his fellow Network bishops, and realized there was only one side to choose...Christ. Great to hear, and I'm pleased for the Anglican Fellowship of Prayer in Central Florida. Since the Holy Spirit is mightily at work these days would it be to much to ask for a miracle converting the 'bishop' here in Pa...aka Bennison...to Christ and the TRUTH of the Gospels? |
| Spurrier | Posted: 2006/6/29 18:15 Updated: 2006/6/29 18:18 |
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Just as an aside, I think some folks that contribute to this board need to cut John Howe a little slack. He appeared to waffle; I thnk it was more of a tap dance. He appeared to tapdance until he met officially with the Standing Committee (third Thursday of each month- pushed to the fouth because of General Convention.)
He did so because he NEVER makes a decision like that, nor revveals what he is thinking, without checking with his Standing Committee. I think he demonstrated of loyal leadership. He would never undermine the Standing Committee because he would not like the Standing Committee or anyone else, to undermine him- especially when there is a protocol. Bravo, John. |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2006/6/29 18:26 Updated: 2006/6/29 18:26 |
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Re: John Howe:
He has behaved honorably. That's what men do. Causidicus |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/29 22:42 Updated: 2006/6/29 22:42 |
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Update from Illinois...
We at St. Paul's in Peoria (Quincy Cathderal) have an Emergency Chapter meeting to sign a Proclimation of faith, disassociation of GC06, and supporting our sheppard, Bishop Ackerman. Springfield looks like they will be asking for different pastoral oversite. It looks as though the Quincy Diocese will make it official on Spet 16th pending a synod vote. I feel sorry for the parishes who want to leave without the support of their diocese. I pray for them and support them. We are lucky to have Bishop Ackerman. I cannot be more grateful that GC06 has happened. It has made us united, purposeful, and focused. While we go forward with the Anglican Communion and make more disciples for Christ, I can only hope and pray that there is some attention finally to serious discussions with Rome on being in communion. None of this would have happened without the actions at GC06. To all the liberals out there, THANK YOU! Without your efforts to isolate yourselves with your radical un- christian agenda, we wouldnt be able to do what we are about to do. While you desecrate the Bible, preach relative truth, act unilaterally, spend more time killing babies, and letting terrorists kill us, we'll be doing the work of Christ and HIS Church. God Bless All of You! |
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| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/30 1:39 Updated: 2006/6/30 1:39 |
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Gayle,
I am sorry to hear about your situation. I agree, Wimberley appears to be a leader of no spine whatsoever, whose chief God is conformity and his pension. All I can suggest is keep your ears open for: 1. Whether your own congregation is prepared to seek alternative oversight from someone like Bishop of Bolivia 2. Whether AMiA is setting up a congregation in your area (sponsored by primates of Rwanda and South East Asia) 3. Whether there is a Nigerian congregation in your area which would come under +Minns 4. Whether one of the Continuing Anglican groups that is prepared to work with the whole Anglican Communion (e.g. APA) has something in your area. They are all options to look at, but in the end the Lord will provide. Often what he provides is the last thing any of us expect...! We will pray for you Michael |
| Compline | Posted: 2006/6/30 3:03 Updated: 2006/6/30 3:03 |
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One takes some small solace in the movement by the Pittsburgh and other dioceses. Even in this present culture there may be such a thing as too much, too soon. I do not have great hope that the ArchDruid of Canterbury will act in accordance with what is right and just.
Another sad fact is the loss of so many beautiful chapels and church buildings to the TEC. I have often stood in such and thought of the faithful Christians whose funding and very hands had built these, how they have been defiled by the Anti-christs. |
| Wilhelm | Posted: 2006/6/30 18:18 Updated: 2006/6/30 18:18 |
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The gentle church. The inclusive church. The do your own thing - go your own way church. I'd like to see a good front page spread on how these gentle vipers will also take away your church, one built through the sacrifices of your grandparents. Come to think of it, was there any resolution promoted to address this injustice? After the dozenth or so resolution urging us to visit Cuba, my eyes rolled back in my head. I might have missed it.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/30 20:12 Updated: 2006/6/30 20:12 |
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This truly IS great news, and I can just imagine the moaning, groaning, and gnashing of teeth at the Episcopal Church Center! I was not at all surprised that Bishop Schofield took this bold step, since he has never backed down and taken any guff from Griswold and his buddies. I'm also glad that Bishop Howe came aboard.
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| Fiona | Posted: 2006/6/30 21:35 Updated: 2006/6/30 21:35 |
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Cennydd:
If the Diocese of San Joaquin finds a way out of ECUSA, perhaps the good bishop will send missionaries across the Altamont pass into the Diocese of California? Fiona |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/30 22:14 Updated: 2006/6/30 22:14 |
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A good point even if unintentional Fiona.
What happens to all the orthodox stuck in liberal parishes and diocese with nothing local to go to with out an hour or more drive? Some of us older ones arn't up to all that driving to and from church. |
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| mathman | Posted: 2006/6/30 22:55 Updated: 2006/6/30 22:55 |
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Begins to unravel, indeed.
What happened to Project 2020? Where is all the gay money? I thought, since they do not have many children, they would have lots of funds for TEC. Where is it? Did someone not notice that the Metropolitan Church had already gotten most of the churchgoers? TEC has fallen off the cliff, and is headed for dissolution. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/30 23:00 Updated: 2006/6/30 23:00 |
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I think all the Gay money went to Louis Crew and Integrety.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/7/1 1:38 Updated: 2006/7/1 1:38 |
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Help me out guys, +Minns is now a Bishop under ++Akinola, and he resides in the States?
If I understand this correctly, I guess the levee just broke!! This is too cool!! |
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| ZachD | Posted: 2006/7/1 16:05 Updated: 2006/7/1 16:06 |
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I am given to understand that lots of gay money is used to vacation and MARRY in CANADA!
Dear Gayle: My bishop is as yours, sadly. My priest is, however, a national leader in godly restoration of the church and the faithful within it. Dear Marlin: Yes, travel out is unreasonable for many. Alas that so very much has been lost! I have suggested to others that they use the internet to explore local godly options within each jurisdiction. Perhaps a wide email to all parishes, priests, councils, wardens in your area will produce enough fruit to join the like-hearted together. Enough for fellowship, sharing pain, faith and hope. Perhaps bible study, Eucharist? I'll be praying! |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/7/1 16:49 Updated: 2006/7/1 16:49 |
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I have been working in my own parish. It is a slow process but the word has to be gotten out. The after GC meeting was the same old liberal tactic of keeping every one in the dark. The generalization was that they came to a satisfactory conclusion on the Windsor responce and praise for Shori. I made mention to an old friend and old member of the parish about Shori's "Mother Jesus" and you would have loved his reaction. He said "I won't stand for herasy".
Hope the word spreads. I'm trying to promote LEAC's agenda. |
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| logos | Posted: 2006/7/1 17:01 Updated: 2006/7/1 17:01 |
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I'm as conservative as can be, but if it comes to linking up with an African Bishop (or any other non-U.S.) sorry about that, it'll be off to some other church.
I was in 'Nam and I bled for the U.S., not nigeria or anyplace else. If parishes or dioceses make a move like that, in a few years their churches will be concerned with Nigerian issues and not their own - and people won't remember how that happened. Christian first, not any other label. There's plenty of other churches in the U.S, it's not like any one has "the only game in town." Just my $.02 |
| DTaylor | Posted: 2006/7/1 17:34 Updated: 2006/7/1 17:39 |
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Poster: Marlin Posted: 2006/6/30 22:14:23
"A good point even if unintentional Fiona. What happens to all the orthodox stuck in liberal parishes and diocese with nothing local to go to with out an hour or more drive? Some of us older ones arn't up to all that driving to and from church." Marlin, I emailed every priest within 45 minutes after Gene Robinson. Every one of them supported the ordination. I spoke to folks in my parish at fellowship and no one was interested in the fight. Even the parishoners that I knew well and were conservative were more in love with their gothic church than preserving the Truth. When your raising small children, there's no time for ECUSA, the AAC or southern cone Bishops to work things out. The children must be raised and taught the Truth. Seeing their parents not putting money in the collection plate because they don't agree with the priest or bishop is not good. So my fsmily I left our Episcopal church.My children and I went from orthodox to Orthodxy. My wife returned to her Methodist roots. We'll trade an historic gothic church for the Truth any day... |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/7/1 19:48 Updated: 2006/7/1 19:49 |
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Ha! Convert BenniSin?!
A few months ago, I suggested Philadelphia Episcopalians with a mind to oust Charles ought to show up at The Cathredral at the Penn campus, demonstrate, make impreccatory prayer and sprinkle the grounds with holy water to exorcise the demons... No one volunteered. Heavy sigh... "Frozen chosen" indeed. |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/7/1 19:51 Updated: 2006/7/1 19:51 |
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Compline,
The faithful will retrieve those churches before long. They will be re-won for Christ at the upcoming sheriff's sales, perhaps for pennies on the dollar. After all, there are only so many "Disco Cathedrals & Night Clubs" the secular market can bear. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/7/2 0:50 Updated: 2006/7/2 0:50 |
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The following is about 1/2 of an article written by Father Raymond J. de Souza, "The end of Anglicanism?" National Post, (Canada) June 28, 2006.
...All of which is at the heart of the recent travails in the Anglican Communion. This month’s convention of the Episcopal Church in the United States (ECUSA) made it clear that they no longer regard themselves as apostolic, as they see neither an obligation to remain united with other Anglican bishops, nor do they feel bound by the uninterrupted tradition of the Christian church. The issue is same-sex marriage, but the stakes are much higher than that. Those in ECUSA who wish to make a sacrament out of what has always been considered a grave sin have declared themselves outside apostolic unity and apostolic tradition. On Tuesday, Dr. Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury and leader of the Anglican Communion, spoke to the significance of what has occurred, saying: “There is no way in which the Anglican Communion can remain unchanged by what is happening at the moment.” It is a momentous declaration, for the Archbishop of Canterbury is indicating that Anglicanism is on the verge of formal schism. The alternative to division is indifference to moral truth, which is impossible for a theologically serious church. Dr. Michael Nazir-Ali, Anglican Bishop of Rochester ( England) worried about just that yesterday in these pages, asking whether “the Anglican Communion is just a loose federation with few, if any, firm doctrinal and moral moorings.” Churches are not like impersonal states, which rely upon written constitutions and legal precedents for their moorings. Churches are personal, and all the more so for Christians, whose faith is personal, rooted as it is in the person of Jesus Christ. And consequently the “moorings” — doctrinal, moral, liturgical, spiritual — have to be personal. Those personal moorings are called “apostles.” Dr. Williams spoke yesterday of “associated” or “constituent” churches that could be fashioned from those who reject same-sex marriage. But the very notion of fashioning a new church runs directly counter to apostolic succession. The apostolic church hands on what it has received; it cannot remake itself based on a political fudging of theological disagreements. We cannot create new apostolic churches; we can only be faithful to or abandon the tradition already received. Is this the end of Anglicanism as it has historically understood itself as an apostolic church in the full-bodied sense of the ancient Nicene Creed? It may well be, and that would be a great sadness. But it may be inevitable now, for where there is no apostolicam, there can be no Ecclesiam. |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/7/2 7:36 Updated: 2006/7/2 7:36 |
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Folks….these two stories are breaking over in England now. I thought everyone needs to read this. If you think APO is going anywhere, guess again. However, there are some prophetic statements about where the CofE is heading. These are both from the London Telegraph dateline today July 2, 2006. The first story was by Jonathan Wynee-Jones. Entitled “Liberals May Split From Cantebury over Homosexuals.” Here’s a clip…..
“Liberal clergy in Britain are preparing to turn to America’s Anglican bishops for leadership in a move that could produce “civil war” and destroy the Church of England. The Sunday Telegraph has learned.” “They are considering the drastic action after the Archbishop of Cantebury, Rowan Williams. Delivered a strong warning to liberals that they could be marginalized from the Anglican Church……” “Among the ideas discussed were the twinning of English and American parishes, and inviting more clergy from the U.S. to come to England on placements.” “There is also the radical possibility of an American bishop “overseeing” a liberal parish in this country, whose members feel marginalized by the imposition of traditional beliefs.” Now if any of you think this will stiffen the resolve of Rowan….guess again. Here is another article in the same paper datelined today July 2 as well. This article was posted by Mary Wakefield….here’s a clip….. “The sun was already high over Church Hill in Hertfordshire at 10:30 on Thursday morning as I followed Christina Rees through the garden, up to her front door.” “Christina is American by birth, but a member of our General Synod and chairwoman of Women and the Church (WATCH), which struggles to free the Church of England from patriarchal prejudice.” “And within the hour…she’d explained the Anglican Communion to me, unraveled all its competeing theologies and made it appear suddenly quite clear that despite his recent nod in the direction of the conservatives, the Archbishop of Cantebury will eventually go with the liberal flow….” Christina said “”You want to know what the headlines will be on July 10?” Yes, please. “They’ll all say the same thing: CofE votes for woman bishops!” So after women bishops in the CofE, you think openly gay clergy is next? “Let’s get real,” said Christina. “Look how many of them there are already. It’s just not official yet.” So is Rowan Williams thinking along these lines too? Christina just smiled. And maybe she’s right. It is true that in my part of London, a nice lady priest and her girlfriend run their parish side by side, and in the next door church, a gay priest and his partner do the same. If their spiritual leader thought they were making the Creator cross, surely he’d have put his foot down by now. And here the reporter is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. ROWAN WILLIAMS WILL NOT SEE THE BREAKUP OF THE COMMUNION FOR ANYTHING. HE WILL DELAY APO IF NOT OUTRIGHT REFUSE IT. EVEN IF HE DOES HE WILL NOT CLAMP DOWN ON THE HERETICS IN ENGLAND OR THE US. IT IS BEYOND HIGH TIME FOR YOU ALL TO REALIZE THAT THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND IS NOT IN OUR FUTURE. THE COMMUNION IS BEING BROKEN BY GOD HIMSELF AND IT’S NEW HEADQUARTERS WILL BE EVENTUALLY IN ALEXANDRIA EGYPT UNDER THE AFRICANS. DO YOURSELF THE FAVOR AND BREAK FROM YOUR OLD ESTABLISHED MINDSET…..ONCE AGAIN THE COMMUNION AS WE KNOW IT IS DEAD….DEAD…..DEAD AND SO IS THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND. |
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| chalice | Posted: 2006/7/2 9:37 Updated: 2006/7/2 9:37 |
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Marlin --
Some have advised that you seek greener pastures in a "more orthodox" chuch. The problem is that there is such beauty and honor in our historic Anglican tradition. Keep in mind that some of the mega churches in this country were begun as small home fellowship, prayer and Bible study groups. Start one Marlin ... start one. Plant a seed and watch it grow ... it can be marvelous. PLEASE contact the Network of Anglican Communion Dioceses and Parishes. I promise you, they will commit to assisting you and guiding you. You are NOT out there all alone. |
| Timothy4 | Posted: 2006/7/2 12:29 Updated: 2006/7/2 12:29 |
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Good morning all. In re TEC – we seem to be spending an inordinate amount of time on homosexuality and women bishops (not that they are not big issues) and little time on the emerging apostasy of many of the leadership and laity. When we essentially say that Jesus is not the only way to salvation, then some logic sets in. In my Bible Jesus says, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me.” Now, if Jesus is not the only way according to TEC/ECUSA then Jesus must be a…..Liar? And if Jesus is a liar then he must not be the Son of God. And if he is NOT the Son of God, then it boils down to the church being a nice social club that does nice things. Another issue is authority of scripture. If we do not believe in God’s word but in the reason of man, then we are deep into humanism which is certainly at odds with Christianity as I know it. About homosexuality – though our new Presiding Bishop says that being gay is not a sin, my Bible reads differently. If not a sin, then why Sodom? If it were sinful then, and God is the same, yesterday, today, and tomorrow, is it not still a sin? “Mother Jesus”??? Come on now!!!
I know there are differences between Episcopalians about the charismatic part of the church. For myself, I am a born again, washed in the blood, Bible believing, Pentecostal Episcopalian, BUT, I believe OUR differences are more about style than substance. We are more alike than many would care to admit. Our interim Bishop in a meeting with Vestries said that an orthodox was anybody who believed in Jesus. Well, didn’t the demons believe in Jesus? Guess they were orthodox. These are just a few thoughts from Southern Virginia. Thanks for letting me vent. Keep the faith. |
| gregory | Posted: 2006/7/2 13:42 Updated: 2006/7/2 13:42 |
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A response from another place rootbranch's post is posted;
Poster: AlMarsh Posted: 2006/7/2 9:39:04 Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers. General Synod will decide, not the Sunday Telegraph or the somewhat confused Ms Rees. And it will be influenced by how the Anglican Communion shapes up: which is about to become a much more conservative shape. Which i agree one must understand the source and that one can be lead into helping spread false info... FEAR = False Evidence Appearing Real |
| gregory | Posted: 2006/7/2 13:44 Updated: 2006/7/2 13:44 |
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Timothy, Thankyou for "venting" post.
You said it like i would . humbly, gregory |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/7/2 18:09 Updated: 2006/7/2 18:09 |
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Thank you for your encouragement chalice.
First I need to find out how many would be willing to take that path. I'm working on that now but it's a slow job. Don't want to offend anyone in the process. Accually I've been looking toward the Reformed Episcopal Church. There is one in Dayton Oh. but it's just a bit to far to drive to and from. Me mum needs picked up and thats 20 mi. and about another 20 mi. from there to Dayton. For me a round trip of 80 mi.. What with gas prices and our health it becomes prohibitive. Wish me luck in finding like minds. |
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| ZachD | Posted: 2006/7/2 23:25 Updated: 2006/7/2 23:25 |
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Hi Marlin - I'm not sure if you got my bit of advice about emailing your doicese parishes for like minded responses?
All my love, |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/7/3 0:26 Updated: 2006/7/3 0:26 |
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I did get it, still something to do. I would like to know if there are any connected with LEAC as well. I'll have to E-Mail J. Ince, nice guy by the way.... Got a landline from him before GC.
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| Truthseekr | Posted: 2006/7/3 12:16 Updated: 2006/7/3 12:18 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/9/14 From: terra firma ................ ( just a pilgrim passing thru ) Posts: 785 |
Timothy4,
am sending you a PM, private message ck your inbox on left side of screen |
| Wilhelm | Posted: 2006/7/4 13:48 Updated: 2006/7/4 13:48 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/6/19 From: The Colonies Posts: 172 |
Good Heavens - The Episcopal Church is a wonderful social club! That's why it's so hard for many to leave and why my kids still go to the Diocean Summer Camp. While we attend a wonderful and holy Anglican Church, we still enjoy the beer and catered vittles served by the "Main Body" Episcopal Church; where the priest in charge looks far more at home in a black tie than in white collar. Regrettably, we felt it didn't serve our spititual needs. Alas.......
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| ZachD | Posted: 2006/7/5 4:18 Updated: 2006/7/5 4:20 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/11/10 From: Posts: 1812 |
Excellent, Marlin!
J. Ince told me that they have no LEAC counterpart in Canada, and that maybe I was IT! Oh yes, LIKELY, I thought! ![]() |


























