GC2006 : COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Resolutions of GC'06
COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Resolutions of GC'06
By Hans Zeiger
VirtueOnline Correspondent
www.virtueonline.org
COLUMBUS, OHIO (6/23/06)-The 75th General Convention of the Episcopal Church is concluded, but the apostasy is not. While most of the time Bishops and Deputies at the convention talked about homosexuals, homosexuality, and the homosexual community, there were actually other topics that filled the title lines of resolutions. Of these, VirtueOnline has selected ten that range from strange to incomprehensible in the telling.
10. Resolution C040, "Support Biblical Literacy." Recognizing that the Bible has been used to justify oppression, the Episcopal Church "supports efforts to foster methods of biblical interpretation which do not lend support to oppressive systems." Presumably, the Bible is wrongly interpreted if it ever encourages feelings of guilt. http://gc2006.org/legislation/view_leg_detail.aspx?id=249&type=CURRENT
9. Resolution A123, "Reconciliation: Slavery and Racial Reconciliation." Expresses "regret" and apology for Episcopal Church "complicity" in slavery, launches church-wide inquiry into the extent of that complicity to be completed by 2008, and requests Presiding Bishop to call a church-wide Day of Repentance. http://gc2006.org/legislation/view_leg_detail.aspx?id=130&type=CURRENT
8. Resolution A127, "Reconciliation: Restorative Justice." Calls on each diocese to engage in "dialogue" about inequality through "storytelling about historical and present-day privilege and under-privilege," with a "strong call to focus on the history and legacy of slavery," and to report on the "truth and reconciliation processes" going on in each diocese at the 2009 General Convention. http://gc2006.org/legislation/view_leg_detail.aspx?id=134&type=CURRENT
7. Resolution A129, "Affirm Creation and Evolution." States "That the theory of evolution provides a fruitful and unifying scientific explanation for the emergence of life on earth. That many theological interpretations of origins can readily embrace an evolutionary outlook, and that an acceptance of evolution is entirely compatible with an authentic and living Christian faith." http://gc2006.org/legislation/view_leg_detail.aspx?id=136&type=CURRENT
6. Resolution D038 "Consent to the Election of the Rev. Canon Barry L. Beisner as Bishop Coadjutor of Northern California." Both houses overwhelmingly consented to Beisner's election despite a minority report from the Committee on the Consecration of Bishops citing Beisner's two divorces and three marriages as reason for denial of the post. http://gc2006.org/legislation/view_leg_detail.aspx?id=307&type=CURRENT
5. Resolution C011, "Church Responsibility in Reparations." Urges church-wide lobbying of Congress for slavery reparations. "Resolved, the House of Deputies concurring, That the 75th General Convention, affirming our commitments to become a transformed, anti-racist church and to work toward healing, reconciliation and a restoration of wholeness to the family of God, urge the Church at every level to call upon Congress and the American people to support legislation initiating study of and dialogue about the history and legacy of slavery in the United States and of proposals for monetary and non-monetary reparations to the descendants of the victims of slavery." http://gc2006.org/legislation/view_leg_detail.aspx?id=174&type=CURRENT
4. Resolution C001, Anti-Jewish Prejudice in Christian scriptures and Liturgical Texts. Condemns the Bible and liturgical materials as anti-Jewish documents; "Resolved, the House of Deputies concurring, That the 75th General Convention direct the Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music to collect and develop materials to assist members of the Church to address anti-Jewish prejudice expressed in and stirred by portions of Christian scriptures and liturgical texts, with suggestions for preaching, congregational education, and lectionary use, and to report to the 76th General Convention." http://gc2006.org/legislation/view_leg_detail.aspx?id=179&type=CURRENT
3. Resolution D031, "Budget Priorities." Identifies the first budget priority of the Episcopal Church during the next three years as "JUSTICE AND PEACE: Promoting justice and peace for all of God's creation and continuing and accelerating the leadership role and programs of the Episcopal Church, which support the eight (8) Millennium Development Goals* in the dioceses of the Episcopal Church and in the world." Evangelism is low on the list of priorities. http://gc2006.org/legislation/view_leg_detail.aspx?id=300&type=CURRENT
2. Resolution B023, "Response to Reported Decline." Given the church's failure to prioritize evangelism in the previous resolution, this resolution responds to allegations by the Joint Commission on Domestic Mission and Evangelism that the Episcopal Church "may be in systemic decline" by initiating "a national consultation on methods and strategies," launching a study of best practices, and presenting a report at the 2009 General Convention. http://gc2006.org/legislation/view_leg_detail.aspx?id=347&type=CURRENT
1. Resolution D043, "Mission Strategy." And since the church is without a mission at present, dialogue will begin on that topic with the goal of more dialogue at the next General Convention. "Resolved, the House of Deputies concurring, That the 75th General Convention strongly urge the Joint Standing Committee on Planning and Arrangements, in consultation with the Executive Council, to enable a participatory, vision focused dialogue on the Mission of the Church to take place during times dedicated to that purpose at the 76th General Convention; and be it further Resolved, That during the triennium, the Executive Council develop and implement a process that will enable the Church to prepare for the dialogue to be held during the 76th General Convention."
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| ICXCNIKA | Posted: 2006/6/24 16:52 Updated: 2006/6/24 16:52 |
Just can't stay away   Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 82 |
 Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay ReResolution 13666: "Dechristianinzing TEC". Be it resolved that the word Church in our title and Trinity in our theology are divisive, and leave millions of deprived individuals, especially our beloved GLBT saints, feeling unloved and unwelcome. From this time forward we shall no longer mention the G(od) word, or any such reference to a being that is any better than enlightened humans...especially in the America.
Amazing how many times dialogue, consultation, and suggestions are mentioned in the resolutions. The old saying that actions speak louder than words should be the theme for the first post-TEC, Network convention. How much time did Paul and Barnabas chat around the ol' fire before preaching the Gospel to whoever they met? |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/24 17:01 Updated: 2006/6/24 17:01 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re more poppycock. perhaps all the liberals should go off somewhere and play church for the rest of thier lives while some us try to put our faith back together after all the damage.
as for me apologizing for slavery both sides of my family and my those of my wife's family who were here took up the Union cause 1861-1865. |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/24 17:22 Updated: 2006/6/24 17:23 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Not Ridiculous But Reality... Resolution S666:
"Build an altar to be used in the worship of Lucifer and all its works". This resolution shall be promulgated in all Diocesan jurisdictions so that the laity will understand that Lucifer has, is and always will be there for them. |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/24 17:26 Updated: 2006/6/24 17:26 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re I wonder what the Top Ten Serious, Well intentioned, Gay Resolutions of GC'06 look like?
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| voxpop | Posted: 2006/6/24 17:50 Updated: 2006/6/24 17:50 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2005/8/18 From: Gaul Posts: 212 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Resolution #6 is fun. Polygamy is now official in ECUSA.
"We will even consecrate it". |
| ahauber | Posted: 2006/6/24 18:18 Updated: 2006/6/24 18:18 |
Just can't stay away  Joined: 2006/3/5 From: Georgia Posts: 149 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Resolution #6 is fun. Polygamy is now official in ECUSA.
voxpop, No doubt the standing liturgical commission won't sit down until there is adequate litugy for these special people. Andy |
| Compline | Posted: 2006/6/24 18:22 Updated: 2006/6/24 18:27 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re If they didn't have something against firearms ownership they must have been nodding off.
That is an evil in the eyes of the sorts that run ECUSA. The 10 above are beacons to alert anyone who actually is a Christian that there is no level of debasement that the ECUSA will not stoop to further the degradation of scripture and our society. I recall during the controversy over Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ the leader of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith making some squawking sounds about the "anti-semitism" of the New Testament. So it makes great sense that the ECUSA would also attack the scripture as well. This Temple of the Antichrist, this poison within the bloodstream of the American culture, is, regrettably, not the only such church in the Communion, perhaps more "advanced" than some of the others but they also seem on course to follow in these slime-filled footsteps. Scripture is scripture, thus saith the Lord is enough for me and must be enough for any Church claiming to be Anglican. |
| Zonaras | Posted: 2006/6/24 18:23 Updated: 2006/6/24 18:24 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re 7. Resolution A129, "Affirm Creation and Evolution." States "That the theory of evolution provides a fruitful and unifying scientific explanation for the emergence of life on earth. That many theological interpretations of origins can readily embrace an evolutionary outlook, and that an acceptance of evolution is entirely compatible with an authentic and living Christian faith."
Good, I am glad to see we have taken this position. All of those Anglo-Catholics should be happy also (especially those who want to swim the Tiber or the Bosporus), since the endorsement of this matter, brings Episcopal belief in line with both the views of the Church of Rome (the Roman Catholic Church) and the Church of Constantinople (the Eastern Orthodox Church). |
| Zonaras | Posted: 2006/6/24 18:38 Updated: 2006/6/24 18:38 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Vox, polygamy occurs when one has several wives at once. The man has divorced his previous wives legally. Although you can make a case that a man who has married several wives might not make a good bishop, don't accuse him of a crime that he is not guilty of. You could say that resolution opens the door to the election of bishop who have been married more tha once, but is that a bad thing? Depends on one's opnion, I suspect.
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| rfwitt | Posted: 2006/6/24 19:04 Updated: 2006/6/24 19:04 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re IMO here's what the resolutions amount to:
"blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ,bs,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ,bs,blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah ,bs,blah, blah,................................................................................................................more blah and bs" Richard........ |
| tonto1428 | Posted: 2006/6/24 20:25 Updated: 2006/6/24 20:25 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re That's a big 10-4 kemosabe!
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| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/24 21:08 Updated: 2006/6/24 21:08 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/5/29 From: Posts: 869 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re "The 10 above are beacons to alert anyone who actually is a Christian that there is no level of debasement that the ECUSA will not stoop to further the degradation of scripture and our society."
Very good point Compline. Thank you to David Virtue and team for gathering this very useful list. I suggest any true orthodox Anglicans print off a copy of this list and send it to their friends, particularly those who are still in ECUSA churches. This needs to be publicised. By the way, I make no apology whatsoever for using the term "orthodox" (i.e. right-thinking). That word does not "belong" to the Eastern Orthodox Churches, but to every Christian who earns it by their devotion to the commands of our Lord and his apostles and prophets. Regards Michael |
| Zonaras | Posted: 2006/6/24 21:17 Updated: 2006/6/24 21:17 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/9/30 From: Posts: 212 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re By the way, I make no apology whatsoever for using the term "orthodox" (i.e. right-thinking). That word does not "belong" to the Eastern Orthodox Churches, but to every Christian who earns it by their devotion to the commands of our Lord and his apostles and prophets.
Mike, make your statement enough, you might even believe it! Unfortunately, whether you like it or not members of the Eastern orthodox Church would take umbrage with your statement. As far as they are concerned, salvation in Jesus is only possible through the eastern Orthodox Church. They coined the word and believe they have the exclusive right to use the word. You should have read the earlier threads on the topic over the last several days. |
| voxpop | Posted: 2006/6/24 21:32 Updated: 2006/6/24 21:40 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Zonaras,
Which "eastern Orthodox Church" do you have in mind? Are you not aware that there are a number of patriarchates? I have met representatives of most of them and none of those would make such a fatuous statement as yours, "salvation in Jesus is only possible through the eastern Orthodox Church." Perhaps you have been talking to some fellow Trolls with bushy beards? |
| voxpop | Posted: 2006/6/24 21:39 Updated: 2006/6/24 21:39 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/8/18 From: Gaul Posts: 212 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Zonaras,
Jesus did not tolerate divorce. When he spoke to the woman at the well he pointed out that she had taken five husbands, and the one she had then was not in fact her husband. John 4.16-18. I suppose one should be grateful that Canon Beisner has only three living "wives". He remains legally bound to the first. He has gone through meaningless ceremonies with the second and third. The only other word for polygamy in the case of three wives must be trigamy. Thank goodness he is not Roman Catholic. He would be excommunicated, not consecrated. |
| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/24 22:20 Updated: 2006/6/24 22:21 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/5/29 From: Posts: 869 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re "Unfortunately, whether you like it or not members of the Eastern orthodox Church would take umbrage with your statement. As far as they are concerned, salvation in Jesus is only possible through the eastern Orthodox Church. They coined the word and believe they have the exclusive right to use the word. You should have read the earlier threads on the topic over the last several days."
I have read those threads - that is why I wrote what I did! Anyone who believes that salvation is only possible through the eastern orthodox churches is a heretic and not in fellowship with the people of God. That person belongs with the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Godislove, PB Schori and other heretics. As it happens, not all eastern orthodox believers follow your heretical line, and I do not extend my remarks to them. The eastern Orthodox churches did not "coin the word". The word comes from God, and directly through the Son, his apostles and prophets. Have a nice day Michael |
| KievCaves | Posted: 2006/6/24 22:44 Updated: 2006/6/24 22:44 |
Just can't stay away  Joined: 2006/6/19 From: Posts: 82 |
WHAT ABOUT THE CUCUMBER SANDWICH???? COM'MON HANS ... YOU FORGOT THE CUCUMBER SANDWICH RESOLUTION!
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| Zonaras | Posted: 2006/6/24 23:01 Updated: 2006/6/24 23:02 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/9/30 From: Posts: 212 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Michael, Michael, Michael. The EOC did come up with the word first to differentiate themselves from the Church of Rome. Don't take your venom out on me, I am a member of the Episcopal Church. BTW, the EOC would probably consider your views heretical! Andy (KievCaves), am I being too hard on this gentleman? BTW, where did you come up with the notion that God invented the word? Chapter ansd verse please. Does God speak Greek? After all, the word is of Greek origin. What you are essentially saying, Mike mi man, is that the Eastern Orthodox Church is heretical for holding that position. I am sure you are aware that the Church of Rome, until Vatican II, held the same position; today, they essentially have the position, though they have toned down their rhetoric.
BTW Mike, have a nice day. |
| yaya2 | Posted: 2006/6/24 23:37 Updated: 2006/6/24 23:37 |
Not too shy to talk  Joined: 2006/6/12 From: Arkansas Posts: 29 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re After a week reading this blog and being overcome with grief that a church I loved for forty years is no more, I took a 48 hour break.
I attended a Christian women's conference along with 15,000 other women........that's right, 15,000! There was so much joy in that convention center and do you know why? Everyone was worshiping God. We shared a common bond. God! Every denomination was represented, but all were there to celebrate God's WORD. I return to this blog after 48 hrs and it is as though I never left........the same arguments, complaints, accusations against one another, blame, splitting hairs on words;, negative, negative, negative!!! Get your Bibles out, guys, find out what the scripture instructs us to do and who to follow. If we want this church to change it has to begin with us......each of you and me.......Leave, begin anew......somewhere else........You're sitting there behind the cover of your computer screens spewing empty words....do something positive. Talk about God's love and His promise of everlasting life. Talk about His sacrifice and give thanks we are FREE to go somewhere else to worship if we don't agree with a church. Free yourselves and be thankful that Christ is the one we should be worshiping and we don't have to depend on bricks and mortar for our worshiping. Get outside your anger and your desire to be "right" and get on with your life until you can enjoy everlasting life with God! God Bless Each of You |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/24 23:41 Updated: 2006/6/24 23:42 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Zonaras,
You are being rather hard on MichaelA! You should have pointed out to him that the Orthodox Church (=OC) has a closed communion, that any one who wants to marry a member of the OC has to marry that person in the OC, and that the OC recopgnizes only its on sacraments as haviung any having any validity. At Vatican II, the Church of Rome gave her communicates the right to take OC communion, but did not bother to ask the OC if this was ok. Roman Catholics or any other non-Orthodox who attempt to take communion at an OC Church are turned away from the chalice as a matter of course. More information about the exclusivity of the OC can be obtained from either Ralph or Victor Masterjohn of the Eastern Orthodox Education Center in West Brookfield, Mass. Zonaras, if you expect MichaelA to listen, you should have toned your comments; he possibly would have toned down his. md |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/24 23:41 Updated: 2006/6/24 23:41 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Hmmm,
Could *Zonaras* be the one who consents to the killing of infants in the mother's womb by the mother being assisted by an obstetrician? Hmmm - last year on VOL there was a *Zonaras* who took that position - I wonder if the two are related - Hmmm??? |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/24 23:43 Updated: 2006/6/24 23:43 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Jacob, stay out of the argument. I think enough has been said.
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| Zonaras | Posted: 2006/6/24 23:51 Updated: 2006/6/24 23:51 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/9/30 From: Posts: 212 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re mdimaio:
I will take your comments to heart; I was perhaps a little hard on Mike. You made the point I was trying to make more clearly and more calmly. MichaelA, I'm sorry if you feel offended, but I was only trying to repeat the facts as I know them. Jacob, I have no dog in fight with you so lets not start one now. Let's not engage in character assassination. Your views on abortion are your own business and not my concern; as mine are not yours. Clearly, this issue has nothing to do with the point under discussion. Michael and Jacob, may God bless you both. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/24 23:58 Updated: 2006/6/24 23:58 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Thanks, Zonaras for listening and toning things down.
Voxpop, if you want to know the fine print on the OC and the hard line they take, I suggest Timothy Ware's book The Orthodox Church, published by Penguin. You could also contact Ralph or Victor, whom I mentioned in an earlier comment. Their comments would surprise you! |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/25 0:09 Updated: 2006/6/25 0:09 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Too bad Zonaras - people who espouse abortion are exactly those whom Mother Teresa warned the world about when she publicly excoriated Klinton, Gore and their wives at the National Prayer Breakfast. To witness what Mother Teresa said: Abortion is the greatest threat to world peace.
Furthermore I did not engage in a character assassination, I was reconnoitering if Zonaras was one and the same as someone last year and It looks as if my hunch was correct. And furthermore, if you have a problem with the position statements of those who have been deserted by their church then I would suggest that you don't have a dog in the fight. |
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| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/25 0:21 Updated: 2006/6/25 0:21 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re I'm not offended by anything that has passed.
I am wounded, in a godly way, that Yaya2 has been hurt and I accept her correction. And that of several other people who have posted, including the one whose name I can't spell! Mind you, I think that error has to be called error, if it is serious. While it is a mistake to attack other christians for minor errors, it is also a mistake to let fundamental errors go. That is after all how ECUSA got into this situation in the first place, in my view, starting about 30 years ago. |
| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/25 0:24 Updated: 2006/6/25 0:24 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Yaya2, very encouraged to hear about the women's convention, that you were so blessed, and that it was inter-denominational. Our lord continues to work powerfully to save his people, wherever they are found.
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| yaya2 | Posted: 2006/6/25 0:46 Updated: 2006/6/25 0:46 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Thank you, MichaelA! A meeting like this helps enable a much more peaceful sleep, that's for sure!! The sheer number of people in a common communion was the most wonderful part of the experience!
I regret our church could not experience this at the convention.......perhaps, one day |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/25 0:57 Updated: 2006/6/25 0:57 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Wow man. That was some really good shhh-tuff.
Hey, seriously, is it true they're gonna land a man on the moon next week??? Groovy! Yeah, brother, this is a summer for love. You know, I'm gonna call it thee Summer of Love, do ya dig it, man?!! |
| Compline | Posted: 2006/6/25 1:08 Updated: 2006/6/25 1:08 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Quote:
Poster: MichaelA Posted: 2006/6/24 21:08:12 Michael I have noticed, during my short time at VOL that the discussants are remarkably intelligent, sophisticated, knowledgeable and well-mannered, for the most part. I can barely credit it that some might take issue with our use of the word, "orthodox." Those of us Anglicans who are sound in our opinions, and in our doctrines, whose views are derived from scripture, as opposed to the heterodox ECUSA, we are termed orthodox Anglicans, orthodox Christians. |
| Zonaras | Posted: 2006/6/25 1:11 Updated: 2006/6/25 1:11 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Jacob, I don't have a strong opinion on abortion nor have I expressed myself on this matter here. Make no assumptions about my beliefs. I have tryed to stay out of the robinson issue because my views are not those of the majority in the Episcopal Church or my parish and am tired of being called a bigot; I'm actually a moderate so I generally end up offending members of both the liberal and conservative factions of my parish. I have taken my dog out of the fight andjust want to live a quiet life and stay away from controversy except where I feel some intervention is needed. (I felt that was the case as far as the discussion on Orthodoxy went). In any case, I am not the person you think I am. Thanks for responding so quickly. Hey, be good!!!!!
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| Compline | Posted: 2006/6/25 1:24 Updated: 2006/6/25 1:24 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Quote:
Poster: MichaelA Posted: 2006/6/25 0:21:48 All one has to do is read the New Testament to see if Jesus and the disciples were soft on error, on heresy or sexual deviations, etc. I believe the weakening of the West and Christendom has resulted in an emasculation of the Church, using the word in the broadest sense. How dare anyone suggest, for a moment, that to call evil for what it is, somehow or other is wrong? I base my worldview on Holy Scripture not on culture, for those who have followed culture rather than the scriptures, rather than the Redeemer, who sought after a different Christ, another Gospel, one that tickled the ears, they have led the nations to ruin, they have led the very Communion to the brink of disaster. I do not believe in being rude or insensitive in general discourse but to not call SIN, SIN is in fact itself a sin. Do not let false notions of propriety or pseudo-Christian concepts stop you from being a righteous witness, as Our Lord said, Judge not by the appearance but judge righteous judgement. |
| shytech74 | Posted: 2006/6/25 10:57 Updated: 2006/6/25 10:57 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re The 75th General Convention of the Episcopal Church is concluded, but the apostasy is not.
--------------------------------------------- Check out this article by Terry mattingly: http://tmatt.gospelcom.net/tmatt/freelance/wolves.htm Paganism on display |
| ddrevik | Posted: 2006/6/25 13:06 Updated: 2006/6/25 13:06 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re I have no big problems with 7, 8, and 9. The remainder are just silly.
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| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/25 13:20 Updated: 2006/6/25 14:18 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re May I have your attention?
Excuse me, May I have everyone's attention please? Thank you! Now, will the most neurotic and narcisistic 1-3% of the population please move forward to the front of the bus? Yes, that's right. Come on, take your place! No, no, not you, sir. The self-sacrificing ones have had their several mellenia. Please stay where you are! Thank you all very much! We will now continue with our life together, and our ministry to an unjust world! |
| fyffee | Posted: 2006/6/25 14:18 Updated: 2006/6/25 14:18 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re I'd be keen to see the next GC resolve to form a committee to rewrite the Bible to remove all the anti Semitic parts, and any other parts offensive to sensitive souls - you know - the bits about Jesus dying for our sin in our place, Jesus being God incarnate and performing miracles and making prophetic "kingdom of God" utterances, the bits where he talks about judgement and hell (he did say some fairly unattractive noninclusive things about the goats for example). It would be interesting to see just how far the leaders of ECUSA want to develop this kind of thinking and the sooner the better, - just so we can get a taste of things to come, and to remove any pretense that this church is still Christian
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| fyffee | Posted: 2006/6/25 14:18 Updated: 2006/6/25 14:19 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re duplicate post
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| fyffee | Posted: 2006/6/25 14:22 Updated: 2006/6/25 14:22 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Can anyone tell me what happened to Louie Crew's proposal to amend the marriage rite to make it inclusive of same gendered persons?
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| fyffee | Posted: 2006/6/25 14:23 Updated: 2006/6/25 14:23 |
Just can't stay away Joined: 2005/5/16 From: Carnarvon, Western Australia Posts: 101 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Can anyone tell me what happened to Louie Crew's proposal to amend the marriage rite to make it inclusive of same gendered persons?
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| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/25 14:41 Updated: 2006/6/25 14:51 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/11/10 From: Posts: 1782 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re fyffee,
You might try looking at "Integrity" listings using your search engine, or 'google' Crew's name. (A good place to check out narcisistic views and the depraved reaction to Convention.) And check this out: www.zacchaeus.ca * I sent it to your Primate * |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/25 17:19 Updated: 2006/6/25 17:19 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re I've been away few days from all this....partly due to lack of time due to work and family responsibilites and just because all this has made me so heartsick as to be nearly nauseating.
Which is why, when I have come back to catch up on the news and David's various posts, I may have noticed this more than others..... THERE IS NOT ONE MENTION OF THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ! The House of Bishops opens the convention without a prayer. And they close it with every single one of these mentioned resolutions never uttering the name of Christ, either in recognition that He exists, that He is the only way, that "justice" and "peace" and "reconciliation" begins and ends with Him. Well....so what? This is about as consequential as any resolution voted on by the Mormons or the Jehovah Witnesses. That is to say, nothing at all. ECUSA is now (officially, for all the world to see and for the orthodox to finally understand) a cult. Nothing more....nothing less. In some ways, they are less Christian than the above examples. I will not speak of the Episcopal Church any longer as what they do from here on out has no more meaning or consequence than what the Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses or the Moonies think for that matter. I'm sure David will continue to post stories concerning them, but I will not read any that are headlined with what looks like news from that front. I will only read and respond to those articles that have anything to do with the response of our leaders, either in the ACN/AAC or overseas with Bishop Akinola. My eye and my pen (keyboard) will be focused even more keenly on our remaining so called orthodox leaders who seem to have finally had the scales removed from their eyes. But actions now are the most important things. Just look at the cult of ECUSA. They have been speaking heresy for 40+ years. But they have been acting on it as well. And now we are where we are at because of it. Measure Duncan and Anderson and Howe and Toon and the rest by the standards of ECUSA.....not only talk the talk gentlemen.....but walk the walk...(or in this case walk the walking away!) |
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| Caroll | Posted: 2006/6/26 3:07 Updated: 2006/6/26 3:07 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/2/22 From: Posts: 289 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Enough already.....Please
or•tho•dox P Pronunciation Key (ôr th -d ks ) adj. 1. Adhering to the accepted or traditional and established faith, especially in religion. 2. Adhering to the Christian faith as expressed in the early Christian ecumenical creeds. 3. Orthodox a. Of or relating to any of the churches or rites of the Eastern Orthodox Church. b. Of or relating to Orthodox Judaism. 4. Adhering to what is commonly accepted, customary, or traditional: an orthodox view of world affairs. n. 1. One that is orthodox. 2. Orthodox A member of an Eastern Orthodox church. ________________________________________ [Middle English orthodoxe, from Old French, from Late Latin orthodoxus, from Late Greek orthodoxos : Greek ortho-, ortho- + Greek doxa, opinion (from dokein, to think. See dek- in Indo-European Roots).] ________________________________________ or tho•dox ly adv. [Download Now or Buy the Book] Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. orthodox adj 1: of or pertaining to or characteristic of Judaism; "Orthodox Judaism" [syn: Orthodox, Jewish-Orthodox] 2: adhering to what is commonly accepted; "an orthodox view of the world" [ant: unorthodox] 3: of or relating to or characteristic of the Eastern Orthodox Church [syn: Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox] |
| Caroll | Posted: 2006/6/26 3:08 Updated: 2006/6/26 3:21 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/2/22 From: Posts: 289 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re fyfee
You might try checking out Bishop Stanton's website. He has many links to the resolutions and and other good stuff. http://bishop.jmstanton.com/  |
| Caroll | Posted: 2006/6/26 3:33 Updated: 2006/6/26 3:33 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/2/22 From: Posts: 289 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Rootbranch,
From what I have read and seen on the other blogs, there also was no mention of Father, Son, HS, or him in the services. Here are some links to some interviews. Some of which were quite good. The first one with Susan Russell is an eyeopener. http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/sr_article/video_interview_the_rev_susan_russell/ Can't remember who is on this one Phttp://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week943/pics/p_cover2_abernethyNlawton.jpgbs 6/24/06 Series of interviews by Ctsix. Good 15 minute one with Kendall Harmon also good one with Chris Sudgan (? sp) Others are good too. Have you seen the one by Duncan, Schofield and Iker as they were leaving after Bo33 vote? C http://www.ctsix.org/index.cfm/GC2006-Video |
| Voyager | Posted: 2006/6/26 6:17 Updated: 2006/6/26 6:18 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/7/30 From: 90 ± 10 Astronomical Units (AU). Posts: 1594 |
Church of the Apostates Matthew 10:14 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV) 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. So why is so much time wasted on conferences and debates with ECUSA. If ECUSA can remain in communion with Anglican Churches around the globe - through Canterbury or not - then it is clear that there is no longer any reason for Scientologists or Muslims to feel excluded. ECUSA is by no definition a Christian Church. Tolerating its aberrant ways undermines all churches in contact with it |
| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/27 0:50 Updated: 2006/6/27 0:50 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/5/29 From: Posts: 869 |
Re: Church of the Apostates Hi everyone. I was off air for a few days.
Good to read lots of good posts from so many people. Thanks particularly to Rootbranch, Compline and ZachD for reminders not to forget our fundamentals, quite mind-blowing that that document did not mention the name of Jesus once... |
| Churchcat | Posted: 2006/6/27 1:47 Updated: 2006/6/27 1:47 |
Not too shy to talk  Joined: 2004/11/15 From: Posts: 21 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Hi yaya2, I'll bet dimes to donuts it was a Women of Faith conference. If it was Lucky you! (and the 14,999 others.) I've been 3 times. It's not near me this year. Maybe next time!
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/7/2 7:44 Updated: 2006/7/2 7:44 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re Folks….these two stories are breaking over in England now. I thought everyone needs to read this. If you think APO is going anywhere, guess again. However, there are some prophetic statements about where the CofE is heading. These are both from the London Telegraph dateline today July 2, 2006. The first story was by Jonathan Wynee-Jones. Entitled “Liberals May Split From Cantebury over Homosexuals.” Here’s a clip…..
“Liberal clergy in Britain are preparing to turn to America’s Anglican bishops for leadership in a move that could produce “civil war” and destroy the Church of England. The Sunday Telegraph has learned.” “They are considering the drastic action after the Archbishop of Cantebury, Rowan Williams. Delivered a strong warning to liberals that they could be marginalized from the Anglican Church……” “Among the ideas discussed were the twinning of English and American parishes, and inviting more clergy from the U.S. to come to England on placements.” “There is also the radical possibility of an American bishop “overseeing” a liberal parish in this country, whose members feel marginalized by the imposition of traditional beliefs.” Now if any of you think this will stiffen the resolve of Rowan….guess again. Here is another article in the same paper datelined today July 2 as well. This article was posted by Mary Wakefield….here’s a clip….. “The sun was already high over Church Hill in Hertfordshire at 10:30 on Thursday morning as I followed Christina Rees through the garden, up to her front door.” “Christina is American by birth, but a member of our General Synod and chairwoman of Women and the Church (WATCH), which struggles to free the Church of England from patriarchal prejudice.” “And within the hour…she’d explained the Anglican Communion to me, unraveled all its competeing theologies and made it appear suddenly quite clear that despite his recent nod in the direction of the conservatives, the Archbishop of Cantebury will eventually go with the liberal flow….” Christina said “”You want to know what the headlines will be on July 10?” Yes, please. “They’ll all say the same thing: CofE votes for woman bishops!” So after women bishops in the CofE, you think openly gay clergy is next? “Let’s get real,” said Christina. “Look how many of them there are already. It’s just not official yet.” So is Rowan Williams thinking along these lines too? Christina just smiled. And maybe she’s right. It is true that in my part of London, a nice lady priest and her girlfriend run their parish side by side, and in the next door church, a gay priest and his partner do the same. If their spiritual leader thought they were making the Creator cross, surely he’d have put his foot down by now. And here the reporter is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. ROWAN WILLIAMS WILL NOT SEE THE BREAKUP OF THE COMMUNION FOR ANYTHING. HE WILL DELAY APO IF NOT OUTRIGHT REFUSE IT. EVEN IF HE DOES HE WILL NOT CLAMP DOWN ON THE HERETICS IN ENGLAND OR THE US. IT IS BEYOND HIGH TIME FOR YOU ALL TO REALIZE THAT THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND IS NOT IN OUR FUTURE. THE COMMUNION IS BEING BROKEN BY GOD HIMSELF AND IT’S NEW HEADQUARTERS WILL BE EVENTUALLY IN ALEXANDRIA EGYPT UNDER THE AFRICANS. DO YOURSELF THE FAVOR AND BREAK FROM YOUR OLD ESTABLISHED MINDSET…..ONCE AGAIN THE COMMUNION AS WE KNOW IT IS DEAD….DEAD…..DEAD AND SO IS THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND. |
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| gregory | Posted: 2006/7/2 13:23 Updated: 2006/7/2 13:23 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/8/4 From: Nflorida Posts: 4423 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Top Ten Ridiculous, Overlooked, Non-gay Re A response from another place rootbranch's post is posted;
Poster: AlMarsh Posted: 2006/7/2 9:39:04 Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers. General Synod will decide, not the Sunday Telegraph or the somewhat confused Ms Rees. And it will be influenced by how the Anglican Communion shapes up: which is about to become a much more conservative shape. Which i agree one must understand the source and that one can be lead into helping spread false info... FEAR = False Evidence Appearing Real |
