GC2006 : COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the Episcopal Church USA
An Open Letter to the Episcopal Church USA
6/21/2006
We, the Primates of the Council of Anglican Provinces of Africa (CAPA), meeting in Kampala on 21st - 22nd June, have followed with great interest your meeting of the General Convention of the Episcopal Church USA in Columbus.
We have been especially concerned by the development of your response to The Windsor Report, which has been reported to us quite extensively. This is something for which we have earnestly prayed.
We are, however, saddened that the reports to date of your elections and actions suggest that you are unable to embrace the essential recommendations of the Windsor Report and the 2005 Primates Communiqué necessary for the healing of our divisions. At the same time, we welcome the various expressions of affection for the life and work of the Anglican Communion.
We have been moved by your generosity as you have rededicated yourselves to meet the needs of the poor throughout the world, especially through your commitment to the Millennium Development Goals.
We have observed the commitment shown by your church to the full participation of people in same gender sexual relationships in civic life, church life and leadership.
We have noted the many affirmations of this throughout the Convention. As you know, our Churches cannot reconcile this with the teaching on marriage set out in the Holy Scriptures and repeatedly affirmed throughout the Anglican Communion.
All four Instruments of Unity in the Anglican Communion advised you against taking and continuing these commitments and actions prior to your General Convention in 2003.
At our meeting in Kampala we have committed ourselves to study very carefully all of your various actions and statements.
When we meet with other Primates from the Global South in September, we shall present our concerted pastoral and structural response.
We assure all those Scripturally faithful dioceses and congregations alienated and marginalised within your Provincial structure that we have heard their cries.
In Christ,
The Most Rev. Peter Akinola, on behalf of CAPA Chairman, CAPA
We, the Primates of the Council of Anglican Provinces of Africa (CAPA), meeting 21st and 22nd June 2006 in Kampala, Uganda, issue this Communiqué from our meeting.
At our meeting in Nairobi in February 2006 we agreed to meet regularly as Primates and to rotate our meetings throughout the Provinces, beginning in East Africa.
Accordingly, we are grateful to the Most Rev. Henry Luke Orombi, Archbishop of the Church of Uganda, for his generous hospitality.
We look forward to our next meeting in September in Rwanda.
Our meeting began with a compelling devotion led by the Archbishop of Uganda on Psalm 133 and the unity that is enjoined upon us by Scripture and created among us through the Holy Spirit. Jesus said that when two or three are gathered together in His Name, He is in their midst.
Unity in the mind of Christ strengthens our prayers, and we, therefore, urge the members of the Church to pursue unity at every level of our Church and society, for the sake of Christ’s witness through the Church in the world.
Likewise, at this decisive moment, we Primates of Africa urge the people of God to renew their commitment to proclaim God’s Kingdom through word and demonstrations of His Kingdom presence, through caring and nurturing God’s world and His people.
We are living at a time when tensions exist between talking about the right thing and doing the right thing. The mission entrusted to the church is a mission of hope, and the people of God are to be a hopeful people that resist and overcome hopelessness and despair.
Many of our people live in areas of conflict and insecurity. Inadequate education and health care and poverty, among other things, are our constant companions. Cases of bad governance, corruption, and misuse of resources bring despair.
Yet, as disciples of Jesus Christ, whom God raised from the dead and lives today, we proclaim that there is always hope in Him.
To make this hope a tangible reality, we have been commissioned and sent out into the world to serve the purposes of God. So, it is imperative that we as a Church seek God’s agenda for His world and His Church.
The Word of God calls all of us, lay and ordained, to be faithful witnesses of Christ to the world, both in the proclamation of the Gospel and in the transformation of our societies.
Obedience to Christ is needed if we want transcendence over the objectives of our personal agendas.
We live in an age of great technological change. We acknowledge with appreciation the contributions of technology.
Nevertheless, such things as internet and cell phone pornography, inappropriate dressing, and the distortion of the gospel through the media are negatively influencing our culture and behaviour.
We call upon the Church to address these and other realities that emerge from the globalised world.
We remind the Church that separation, alienation, and domination are present elements in our world and they are threatening the Kingdom imperatives and the world itself.
Our work is to make visible the Kingdom of God and to prepare us for life everlasting. Our world is God’s world and God has sent His Son to save it.
We have noted with great concern the increasing influence of Islam in Europe and the growing demand for Sharia concessions in European law without corresponding reciprocity in Muslim countries for Christians. This situation will have an impact in our contexts and we are beginning to think and pray through these matters.
We rejoice in the Church of Nigeria’s gift of Emmanuel Olatunji, a highly competent member of their church, who has been seconded to the CAPA HIV/AIDS office, and we urge that office to expand its focus to include combating malaria, TB, and a new disease known as chikungunya – a malarial-like sickness, transmitted through mosquitoes, that has hit the Province of the Indian Ocean.
We have renewed our commitment to leadership development and scheduled Training Conferences for new bishops through 2010. We also have seen a need to develop strategies for helping bishops and other church leaders to finish well and enter into retirement with joy.
We are grateful for the invitation to interact with the President and the First Lady of the Republic of Uganda on a wide range of issues. We appreciate the leadership of the President of Uganda and his support for the work of the Church. We pray and encourage greater partnership and dialogue between our Churches and our respective Governments.
May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with us all evermore. To God be the glory.
The Most Rev. Peter Akinola, on behalf of CAPA Primates
CAPA Chairman
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| CATHROMANG | Posted: 2006/6/22 13:44 Updated: 2006/6/22 13:44 |
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 Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the EAnd now the real leaders will take action....
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| Philippa | Posted: 2006/6/22 13:46 Updated: 2006/6/22 13:46 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E You all can "study it", if you like, Your Grace, but trust me: It's a complete load of cow chips, and nowhere near being compliant with the Windsor Report.
God bless your time together and your endeavors. In the One, Philippa |
| DnNeal | Posted: 2006/6/22 13:48 Updated: 2006/6/22 13:48 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E I can't wait to hear what comes out of Kampala! I hear powerful rumbling in the east.
Neal |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2006/6/22 13:49 Updated: 2006/6/22 13:49 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E ....It is time for execution of judgment....
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| warmac9999 | Posted: 2006/6/22 13:52 Updated: 2006/6/22 13:52 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Pardon me for the confusion, but another delay - this time until September? It appears to me that Akinola is willing to help but only if the orthdox leaders actually do something. Bishop Iker's action in seeking alternative oversight is a good step, but what about the rest?
My perception is that the laity are going to have to take charge because all these purple robed geniuses don't know the difference between process and results. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/22 13:55 Updated: 2006/6/22 13:55 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Now that the ecusa children have had their little party and danced their dance the adults have shown up. The party is over.
The Primates simply need to meet and file the paperwork. They won't back down. It's over. |
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| Leonard | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:02 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:02 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Jesus Christ Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
It is clear that 'hearing the cries' of the 'alienated' faithful congregations, means, "Since you are apostates, REAL Bishops will be sent to give them Christian oversight." |
| JRoss | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:04 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:04 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E warmac9999 writes;""My perception is that the laity are going to have to take charge because all these purple robed geniuses don't know the difference between process and results.""'
Truer words have never been spoken since "No one comes to the father except through me". When the laity get it through their heads that it is they that actually are in charge with their wallets, and then leave the little social clubs they think of as churches, maybe then Christ's church will resume following His instructions.. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:05 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:05 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E When we meet with other Primates from the Global South in September, we shall present our concerted pastoral and structural response.
Please note that Akinola says that out of the September meetings there will come a "pastoral" and "STRUCTURAL" response. 1) This means they will offer the alternatives that some dioceses are seeking. 2) Rowan Williams appears to be a non-factor in this effort. 3)Get ready for a non-Canterbury Anglican Communion. Could this be a precursor of a nongeographical centered catholic reworking of the larger Church of Jesus Christ? As in Holy Sees go bye-bye. 4)Though the Primates will move, expect that it will take some time, years, before all the fragmented pieces of the Anglican Way are brought together. |
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| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:13 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:13 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E This suits me.
1. The Globlal South has monitored every ECUSA action. 2. They will confer together. 3. They will respond justly. I expect there will be counter attack. North American power structures will not at any point say, "Gee, you are correct after all! Here are the keys." I'd also like to see ++Rowan choke on Southern Dust. What a pathetic figure he makes! I do believe that the 'dialogue is over'. To our multifasceted Continuing Crowd: Your cries have been heard! What, I wonder, remains for you to be doing from now until September? When, for you, will the fat lady sing? |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:14 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:14 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee..."
John Donne Anglican Divine Meditation 17 Devotions upon Emergent Occasions |
| Traktaryan | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:25 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:25 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E 2 Corinthians 4:4
"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so that they cannot see the light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." |
| FrSam+ | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:34 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:34 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Told you again.
NOW it's "wait til September". Then it will be, "Wait til February". Then another meeting of the whoevers will respond in May. THEN it will be, "Now we need to wait for Lambeth 2008". Good grief. By the way, where's the "great schism" promised when ECUSA did exactly what everyone said she would do in Ohio. The "final straw" was June 2003. It's now June 2006, and what's the advice now? Wait. |
| warmac9999 | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:35 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:35 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E I agree that the word structural is significant as that implies reorganization of some type at a minimum. Pastoral implies a rescue attempt and that is good news.
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| JimMcNeely | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:38 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:38 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E The Africans understand how the Loon Left operate and act. They are dishonest little children who make decisions on the basis of their own self interest. The Africans can read their play book, which has only three or four basic pages with some variation.
The end of TEC as the Anglican representative in the USA is upon us. Soon they will be escorted officially to the irrelevance pile near a latrine. -Jim+ |
| almostrev | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:41 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:41 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E You need to understand Warmac, that Akinola isnt babysitting ECUSA. That these things do take a little time, and by a little, I mean just that. Considering that Convention ended yesterday, to have a response from bishops other than himself is quite impressive. To gather these bishops together, communicate your concerns, formulate a response and have it published, considering that all these bishops are busy already with their own diocese and people, is quite impressive. Also considering time-zone differances, were are really talking about only a few hours.
Besides, September isn't that far away, considering the massive amount of orgistrating that needs doing. On top of that, Africa isn't as accessible im all places as America is. This wont be settled in a day, but it will be settled. Yours in Christ, jacob |
| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:51 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:56 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Yes, almostrev, right on!
As for the another delay? crowd, good grief, take a pill! Doing it right takes a bit of doing. AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT! CONSISTENTLY! BE PRAYING AND NETWORKING INSTEAD OF GRIPING! USE A LENSE OF 18 MONTHS INSTEAD OF 18 MINUTES! If you purport to know your scripture, then use your scripture. Our gracious God has a rescue for us all. The Faithful are in goodly numbers, after all! |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:56 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:56 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Almostrev is right, folks....these things do take a little time! I'd much rather let the primates proceed cautiously but firmly, rather than run off half-cocked and do a slipshod job of it. Be assured: Things ARE changing, but perhaps not as quickly as some of you hope for. I too want to get out from under TEC's thumb....but let's make sure it's done right.
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| ICXCNIKA | Posted: 2006/6/22 15:02 Updated: 2006/6/22 15:02 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E You're a teenager, and your parents tell you to be home by midnight. You go out, meet up with your derelict friends, and say...who cares, let's party! You have a blast, and think that you can sneak back into your house at 3 am without your parents noticing.
The teenager (ECUSA) now has to face a rightly irritated and irate father waiting at the door. This letter is rather impressive because it is not only worded very well, but also shows the restraint that is necessary at this volatile moment. By writing in this manner, and waiting for the collegial gathering of Bishops in September (don't fuss, it's almost July) he is showing the world that the Global South (the emerging leaders of the AC) can deal with such turmoil in a well thought out and deliberate manner. Would people have rather have him said heads will roll...to hell with ECUSA? Remember that we are dealing with a REAL bishop here; one who is pious, spiritual, and speaks with God...not at Him. There is NO doubt that there will be serious repercussions from the Global South for what has been done. Dioceses here are seeking alternative oversight, parishes will meet over the coming weeks and decide their next move, and much more will happen...but it will take months to be able to gather a comprehensive picture as to how things are shaping up. |
| ICXCNIKA | Posted: 2006/6/22 15:04 Updated: 2006/6/22 15:04 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Well said Cennydd...thanks for condensing my ramblings in agreement with Almostrev.
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| Godislove | Posted: 2006/6/22 15:20 Updated: 2006/6/22 15:21 |
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Pete the Voyeur Thanks for the letter Pete. A little creepy though, that the most important thing in your lives is to peer through the window at our convention. Isn't there some Good News to spread where you are, or some poor and needy to be taken care of? Or is that work all done? Man, have you ever seen people so obsessed with homosexuality? Creepy X 2.
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| JRoss | Posted: 2006/6/22 15:31 Updated: 2006/6/22 15:31 |
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Re: Pete the Voyeur GIL writes:""Thanks for the letter Pete. A little creepy though, that the most important thing in your lives is to peer through the window at our convention. Isn't there some Good News to spread where you are, or some poor and needy to be taken care of? Or is that work all done? Man, have you ever seen people so obsessed with homosexuality? Creepy X2 ""'
Not with homoeroticism itself, but with those who have the gall to proclaim it as something normal people would do to the body that God gave them to honor, not abuse. And with God's blessing no less. When a denomination is hell bent on disolving itself into oblivion or a cult, one cannot help but take notice and be there as a safe haven for believers. Some have asked the Rev Akinola for true pastoral oversight, so naturally he watches. If you consider that creepyx2, then what you support sexually could be considered creepy x ad infinitum. |
| esniii | Posted: 2006/6/22 15:45 Updated: 2006/6/22 15:45 |
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Re: Pete the Voyeur Quote:
GiL writes: A little creepy though, that the most important thing in your lives is to peer through the window at our convention. Isn't there some Good News to spread where you are, or some poor and needy to be taken care of? Maybe you need to consider that if we are part of the Church, we are all a part of Christ's body. (I loved the post from Donne, Joe) ++Akinola has just been given a confirmation that a part of his own body has cancer. That's creepy alright, but he is going to consult with the Doctor and see whether it can be treated, or if the tumor that TEC/USA has proved itself to be needs to be excised from Christ's body. That's not a speedy decision - but praise God he at least is doing something besides letting it metasticize and infect more of the body. Go away, GiL, and pray to your God that you are not a part of the tumor that will be cut away from the body and destroyed - the Doctor will be attending to us all in His good time. |
| Damascus | Posted: 2006/6/22 15:52 Updated: 2006/6/22 16:06 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Just because the Global South primates will not meet and announce their plans until September, does not mean that the Network can't take action sooner. You can't sit around waiting for Rowan Williams or Peter Akinola to ride in on a white charger and rescue you. You have to do your jobs now. You have a moral duty to lead your flocks to greener pastures even if there is a price to be paid. As Sam Houston used to say, "Do right and risk consequences."
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| Godislove | Posted: 2006/6/22 16:08 Updated: 2006/6/22 16:08 |
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Re: Pete the Voyeur Precisely what TEC has done this past week. Do you think TEC gives a rat's hat what Pete the busybody from far away thinks or does? My my, he sure thinks he is important though, doesn't he?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Poster: Damascus Posted: 2006/6/22 12:52:14 As Sam Houston used to say, "Do right and risk consequences." |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2006/6/22 16:18 Updated: 2006/6/22 16:20 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil.
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness. Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Therefore, as the fire devours the stubble, And the flame consumes the chaff, So their root will be as rotteness, And their blossom will ascend like dust; Because they have rejected the law of the Lord of hosts, And despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. |
| SheepFeed | Posted: 2006/6/22 16:27 Updated: 2006/6/22 16:38 |
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Re: Pete the Voyeur "Do you think TEC gives a rat's hat what Pete the busybody from far away thinks or does?"
--------------------- You are right steveknowsbetterthanGod (GiL), your new little pagan cult - The Episcopal Cult (TEC) doesn't care a wit about Anglicanism. The "bonds of affection" of TEC for the Anglican Church are a myth. Rather, the New Episcopal Religion revealed at GC2006 has embraced an "affection for spiritual bondage". You must be very happy that this has been resolved at GC2006 and clarity has been achieved. So why are you posting here? Why not go on your merry way? But if there be anything of the living Jesus Christ on your heart, it is STILL not to late to repent, surrender your godisME cult religion, and return to the One who truly loves and forgives. I pray that He in His mercy would bring that conviction in your life. SheepFeed |
| DTaylor | Posted: 2006/6/22 16:34 Updated: 2006/6/22 16:34 |
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Re: Pete the Voyeur I wonder if the power structure of the Anglican Communion will now shift from England to Africa?
Do you think that the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Royal Family may be a little concerned? We'll see what September brings... |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/22 16:37 Updated: 2006/6/22 16:39 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E ZachD wrote:
BE PRAYING AND NETWORKING INSTEAD OF GRIPING! Zach we have used a lens of 36 months instead of 18 minutes. The outcome of this Convention after the election of the abomination of Robinson (espcially if you include the last 40 years) should have surprised no one. If any of these orthodox leaders are surpurised they should be questioned if they can lead in the future any new orthodox province. If they were not suprised but are still using "polite" language about being surprised then they are dangerously like their "polite" but radical, Gnostic breathren. Certainly Akinola's words, especially the "STRUCTURAL" one is very interesting. But we have seen "structures" before which have come completely to naught....just look at the ACN. And that quip from Duncan about protecting the flock  . Who in the Network at this very moment under seige by TEC Bishops feels protected?Once again, GIL has lurched into the truth. (T)he d(E)ath (C)ult does not nor has it cared for 40+ years what anybody else including Cantebury thinks. Now is time for the various "Networks" here in the States and the Southern Cone to also care not what the Death Cult nor the CofE thinks. For one thing is obvious. The CofE will do absolutely nothing....precisely why ECUSA, TEC whatever, has come to this. It is time to cut them loose as well. They are "Dead Men Walking" and ECUSA is committing suicide before our eyes. It is time for rebirth under the flag of the Southern Cone. |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/22 16:44 Updated: 2006/6/22 16:44 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Now is the time for all the orthodox across the country to stand together and make their presence knowen. A good way to do this is to join LEAC and unite all the laity in the church.
Take a clue from Queen Lutibelle and shove it down their throats. |
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| gotc86 | Posted: 2006/6/22 16:47 Updated: 2006/6/22 16:47 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E I truly don't care if the Anglican Church shifts away from Canterbury.
(I can hardly believe I've written that.) As sad as I am about the apparent upcoming realignment, it is a sadness born out of the necessity for it. I feel betrayed by Canterbury and the ECUSA. I'm holding on to hope that Bishop Duncan and the others of the Network will guide we the faithful through this valley of shadows. |
| Festivus | Posted: 2006/6/22 16:52 Updated: 2006/6/22 16:52 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E "My perception is that the laity are going to have to take charge because all these purple robed geniuses don't know the difference between process and results."
********** Exactly. Keep in mind in Pittsburg that ++Akinola warned that support from the GSP must be followed by American action. If the American Bishops fail to act, the laity will respond. I can't say much now, but keep watch over the next 30-45 days for news in the VOL forums. |
| Gander | Posted: 2006/6/22 16:55 Updated: 2006/6/22 16:55 |
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Re: Pete the Voyeur Just what does "love" mean to you???
Is it the black Africans, white Africans, or all Africans that you dislike so much? Write down the character traits of Mr. Akinola and then the character traits of Ms. Schori and let us know the results. Don |
| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/22 16:56 Updated: 2006/6/22 17:05 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Rootbranch et al,
We are all culpable in the current state of affairs! Time to repent and pray. Time to align as we should. We have ALL been shamefully inactive for too many years. I see CAPA as appropriate, thoughtful AND action oriented! The House of Windsor and the ABC will reap what they have sown. We must do what is best. Abomination after abomination will spew from the ECUSA. This current time seems better than the (recent) past, for all is now clearly laid bare and the slumberers wake. Perhaps we already have been preparing for the days ahead? Good work comes of planning, trial movements, and faith bourne action! THANKS BE TO GOD! CORPUS DEIM. |
| CATHROMANG | Posted: 2006/6/22 16:59 Updated: 2006/6/22 16:59 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E wow, I'm surprized GiL isn't currently off offering his testicles to the new Father Feminazi in worship and adoration.
I've always heard that lesbians and gays really don't get along that well together so it will be interesting to see how long this new cult will last before their fingernails are scratching each other. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/22 17:03 Updated: 2006/6/22 17:03 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E I wonder what ++Michael Ramsy would have said to this convention.
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| James1 | Posted: 2006/6/22 17:25 Updated: 2006/6/22 17:25 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Damascus has it right. CAPA is doing what it must to take joint action. The need for them take the time to do it right does not prevent those of us who are most affected by the sexual immorality in ECUSA from taking action NOW! No foreign bishop asks you to wait to do what you should do. There is no more "wait until . . ." DO IT NOW!
I suggest that those who are not satisfied with the Network's failure to act (I am one) can act on their own (I have). LEAVE! The movement away from ECUSA must be led by the lay people. Don't be impatient with your leaders for failing to leave ECUSA if you haven't done so yourself. James1 |
| Damascus | Posted: 2006/6/22 17:32 Updated: 2006/6/22 17:32 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E It is not the CAPA primates doing the right thing that I am worried about. They have already refused ECUSA's bribe money and have paid a price in their provinces for their courageous stand. It is our Network bishops who need a kick in the ass. What sacrifices have they made? I'm not totally down on the Network as some people are. I realize that there is a process for accomplishing these things and that some preliminary groundwork needed to be laid. We are now in a new phase. The time for planning has concluded and the time for action is upon us. I'm not faulting the Network bishops for anything they have done in the past but I will be holding them accountable for what happens from this day forward.
Why do we need to wait for late July? Every Network standing committee should be meeting either this weekend or next to evaluate what has happened. What is going to change between now and late July that justifies the delay? At this point it is largely irrelevant what either Canterbury or the Global South does. It is not their job to solve this problem it is ours. If we do what we need to do, I believe that they will do what they have to do. We can't wait for them to take the lead. We have to be masters of our own destiny. Patience can be a virtue, but procrastination rarely is. If you as a bishop believe that the present situation is intolerable, then take appropriate action and be willing to pay the price for your choices. That is what all of us are going to have to do. |
| James1 | Posted: 2006/6/22 17:40 Updated: 2006/6/22 17:40 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Damascus is "spot on" again. No individual has to wait on anything. Have the courage of your own convictions and take action NOW, whether you are bishop, clergy or lay.
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| BeckyB | Posted: 2006/6/22 18:51 Updated: 2006/6/22 18:51 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E AKINOLA: "We assure all those Scripturally faithful dioceses and congregations alienated and marginalised within your Provincial structure that we have heard their cries." END AKINOLA
Somehow I find it comforting that other Anglican Primates may be coming to my rescue. I am in the Diocese of Fort Worth... but am about ready to jump ship even here. |
| missl | Posted: 2006/6/22 19:58 Updated: 2006/6/22 19:58 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E That's nice, African bishops who accept polygamy and multiple wives are speaking out against gays in the Church. I dare, no, I double-dare the CofE to excommunicate EVERY SINGLE gay clergyman. That's right. IF you have a problem with it GET RID OF IT. Can you take the splinter out of the eye of another with one in your own? So eliminate every single homosexual priest, clergyman, nun etc. And see how many straight heterosexuals are left to administer to the ppl!!!  (be honest - not just in the CofE, or Episcopal Church, the Catholic church, and all others. Giving up a heterosexual relationship and marriage to a wife or husband and family is not too difficult a decision if you are gay, its a great excuse to avoid a heterosexual relationship AND at the same time become a virtuous, Christ-like pillar of the community... Yay! )  |
| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/22 20:00 Updated: 2006/6/22 20:10 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Sorry, missl,
You are PAINFULLY misinformed! The Africans are routinely painted with this polygamy brush, mostly by copycat revisionist destroyers who also call the Africans an ignorant people. And an ignorant people with a poor grasp of the english language. The truth: Where converts from polygmy backgrounds are converted to Christianity, they must live with only one wife, and responsibly raise ALL of their children! African (and other) churches courageously tackle what we shamefully do not: REACH OUT TO THE WORLD TO REDEEM AND SAVE THE LOST! GET YOURSELF A LIFE! AND DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER! |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/22 20:06 Updated: 2006/6/22 20:06 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Missl, you sound to me to be either pagan or athiest. I've heard the same nonsence from both.
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| TENTEX | Posted: 2006/6/22 20:44 Updated: 2006/6/22 20:46 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/1/25 From: Murfreesboro, TN St. Patrick's (CANA) Posts: 240 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E September cannot get here soon enough. I hope that the good Archbishop means Sept 1, not Sept 30. This crap has gone on for four decades, plenty long enough. The REAL Church has plenty work to do. Let's get on with it!!!
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| rossi | Posted: 2006/6/22 21:25 Updated: 2006/6/22 21:25 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Redcar, England Posts: 639 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Who must take action are the leaders of the network. Akinola was very clear at the convention
of the Network in Pittsburgh, saying that you must decide in what side you are .The bishops and clergy of the network must decide if is the TEC Pension Fund or to be faithful to Our Lord is more important.They will meet in september to decide what to with this new unitarian cult.But the decision to leave it is all yours. If you want to be the new anglican province in US you Must start to organize it now. |
| Truthseekr | Posted: 2006/6/22 21:30 Updated: 2006/6/22 21:30 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E BeckyB,
sent you a PM private message. to get to it, log in to this site, and click "Inbox" on the left side user menu. truthseekr |
| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/22 23:18 Updated: 2006/6/22 23:19 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E "September cannot get here soon enough. I hope that the good Archbishop means Sept 1, not Sept 30. This crap has gone on for four decades, plenty long enough. The REAL Church has plenty work to do. Let's get on with it!!!"
Tentex, good to hear from you. Especially, I note that you are not waiting for ++Akinola, Nzimbi, Venables etc to do all the work for you! Those who are are in an apostate congregation, should give serious thought to finding a faithful one (I don't say "Find a faithful one" because I know that is not always immediately possible - but I belive we are called to work hard at it). If we are in a faithful congregation then praise the Lord, but we should work NOW to build it up. Even if St Peter and St Paul themselves arose right now to take over ECUSA and drive all the bad guys out, it wouldn't change the job of every lay person and every clergyman - we have work to do. Discipling each other, witnessing, saving the lost, judging (in the positive sense used in scripture), administering our churches, mission work. This is our calling both now and whenever the apostates are driven out of our hierarchy. Regards Michael |
| Gayle | Posted: 2006/6/23 0:42 Updated: 2006/6/23 0:42 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Of all the comments written I agree with this one the most. The laity has the responsibility to determine whether or not any bishop is a shepherd or an employee. There a certain luxury in being a member of the laity. We can say whatever we want to say to any given bishop and there's not thing one they can do about it. Gene Robinson and Katherine Schori are great examples of why no bishop is to be granted respect in regards to an office or position.
I will not refer to members of the clergy by their titles unless I believe that they merit any demonstration of respect. No more crosses by their names, no more titles, no more Rev. It's Ms. Schori, it's Rowan or Williams, or the Archdruid. It's Vicki Gene or Vger. I will write letters how I please to whom I please and publish them on the web as I please. Or in all honesty as the Holy Spirit leads and guides. Remember our Lord used very direct speech "White-washed tombs" "That fox" "Get behind me Satan" And Paul could really tell it like it was and was no respecter of persons. The laity writes the checks that pay the mortgages, turn on the lights and pays the salaries. If your parish clergy is orthodox, quit writing checks to the general fund in which there is diocesean asking and money for the national church. Give directly to your rector's discretionary fund, offer to pay their health insurance directly, ask to pay the electric bill directly or the water or the mortgage. Give money directly to the altar guild for candles and wine. Get creative. If your rector is a revisionist and you can't find another church that is biblically faithful to the faith delivered from the apostles be a big fat pain in the ***!!! Don't give the pagan wolf in shepherd's clothing the benefit of driving you away. Speak up, get your facts and information together and start handing out flyers and papers on the Truth. Talk to your fellow parishioners, schedule meetings in your home and give people solid information. Title IV to allow TPTB to discipline the laity didn't pass. Get tough, get thick-skinned and fight for Jesus. Whatever you do, whenever you write a check put "Not for TEC" in the memo field!  |
| truelight | Posted: 2006/6/23 0:57 Updated: 2006/6/23 0:57 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Told you again.
NOW it's "wait til September". Then it will be, "Wait til February". Then another meeting of the whoevers will respond in May. THEN it will be, "Now we need to wait for Lambeth 2008". Good grief. By the way, where's the "great schism" promised when ECUSA did exactly what everyone said she would do in Ohio. The "final straw" was June 2003. It's now June 2006, and what's the advice now? Wait. i agree that it can be frustating waiting,,,however it is a neccesary thing...dont forget something on this scale ahs never bee seen since the Reformation...its going to take time for the Primates and the ABC to figure out how to handle the situation....the schism has already happened...it happened the day the liberals refused the Word of God...it will just take time for everything to sort out |
| Truthseekr | Posted: 2006/6/23 1:42 Updated: 2006/6/23 1:42 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Quote:
If your rector is a revisionist and you can't find another church that is biblically faithful to the faith delivered from the apostles be a big fat pain in the ***!!! Don't give the pagan wolf in shepherd's clothing the benefit of driving you away. Speak up, get your facts and information together and start handing out flyers and papers on the Truth. Talk to your fellow parishioners, schedule meetings in your home and give people solid information. Dear Gayle, have you ever considered to stop beating around the bush, and say what you mean! Great Post, way to put it out there!  |
| ddrevik | Posted: 2006/6/23 2:17 Updated: 2006/6/23 2:17 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Give it up, gang.
I've made a point of avoiding this site for the last 12 months because I got to the point where I couldn't take the contant talk, talk, talk with no action. Now I visit back during GC week, and see nothing has changed. The fecalsexuals rule the roost, and the conservatives prefer to talk instead of walk. Most of us have left for better pastures -- TEC, the Catholic Church, etc. The AAC will have no one to oversee in a year, as the exodus continues. Wake me when it's over, and I'll check back on you all in a year.... |
| rossi | Posted: 2006/6/23 9:40 Updated: 2006/6/23 9:40 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Redcar, England Posts: 639 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E You are right,this people of the AAC,Aglican Network ,ect love the ex ECUSA now TEC more the any thing, look Recife in Brazil,they where in the same situation that Quince,F.W. and S.J. are now and they did't think about pension and
bildings before start the war against the also heretic Anglican Episcopal Church of Brazil. |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/24 0:09 Updated: 2006/6/24 0:09 |
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Re: Pete the Voyeur September Song
Well, it’s a long, long time From May to December But the days grow short, When you reach September. And the autumn weather Turns the leaves to gray And I haven’t got time For the waiting game. And the days dwindle down To a precious few . . . September, November . . . And these few precious days I spend with you. These precious days I spend with you. Kurt Weill & Maxwell Anderson. |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/24 0:11 Updated: 2006/6/24 0:11 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Recall that homosexual male rejects the female, and vice versa.
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| bogie7129 | Posted: 2006/6/24 4:36 Updated: 2006/6/24 4:36 |
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 Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the ERev. 3:15-16.
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Those are some serious words, Bishops, to which you all should pay heed. In the end, it isn't going to matter what TEC does, or what you Bishops do, it's what each of us does, because we will all be called personally to give an account of ourselves, and no one else, to God. We all know that, and I fail to understand how those bishops among you who are making a mockery of Jesus Christ, by doing what has been done at GCs 2003 & 2006, will be able to show your collective, but individual, faces to Him. Shame on you! And for the rest of us, it truly is up to each of us to act. When GC2006 refused to affirm that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation, comparing Him to the Holocaust of Nazi Hitler; when the Presiding Bishop-elect said that homosexuality is not a sin (if it's not a sin, the Bible is wrong. And we know the Bible is not wrong because it is the Word of the Lord, who never changes); who conducted communion in the name of Jesus, substituting the pronoun "her" for "Him," it was the last straw for me. I resigned my membership in my local Episcopal church, my diocese and TECUSA. I sent my rector an email notifying him. I gave him all my reasons, all of which are covered above and on other pages in this website. I asked him to publish my name and my reasons in the weekly Chronicle, telling everyone in my church why I left. Within less than a day he asked me not to go, stating that MY VOICE IS NEEDED in my local church. He said HE NEEDED ME TO STAND UP WITH HIM. For that reason, and because he is an annoited man and a Biblical preacher, I agreed not to go - he's right. If you feel your church is Biblical, that your rector is, also, that you have something to say to your fellow worshippers in Christ, stay where you are and STAND UP FOR JESUS! Regardless of whomever ends up at the helm of the worldwide Anglican Community, OUR church needs our help now. There are already those in the U.S. who have been planning for at least three years for relief from the current situation, who have already organized another Episcopal way of doing things. More power to them; I wish them all the best. But as for me, I will stay with my rector. That's that. And I know to Whom I will give an account of my actions in this life once my spirit has left. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/24 13:25 Updated: 2006/6/24 13:25 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E ... down with the ship ...
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| Caroll | Posted: 2006/6/26 4:16 Updated: 2006/6/26 4:25 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Gayle,
Show them Choose the Day too. It flashes on VOL at the top of the page and links directly to it. You can buy a copy for around $5.00 from the network. You can also reach the link at http://www.anglicandecision.com/ The Network also has a good booklet you can download called Equipping the Saints at http://www.americananglican.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=ikLUK3MJIpG&b=675589&ct=2147665 Also try Slats Slaton's We've Had Dessert Biblical Malnutrition & Todays Episcopal Church http://www.haddessert.com/images/DESSERT.pdf There is also a program for $80.00 on the ACN web site called "What (on Earth) is Happening in the Anglican Communion?" I haven't seen it, but have seen write-up in the AAC Encompass. Go for it.... |
| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/27 1:18 Updated: 2006/6/27 1:19 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E bogie,
Good to hear from you. I am sure you did the right thing. You made your position known, you acted upon it, but when a man (whose biblical integrity you trust) asked you bona fide to stay and help him, you were prepared to do so. As a suggestion, you and your rector may find it helpful to communicate with orthodox groups like the American Anglican Council, or Anglican Mission in America (which is sponsored by primates of Rwanda and South East Asia) or Reformed Episcopal Church/Anglican Province of America (which are both in concordat with the primate of Nigeria) to find out what assistance or fellowship is available from other faithful Anglicans. Best regards Michael |
| Caroll | Posted: 2006/6/27 4:41 Updated: 2006/6/27 4:41 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Rootbranch mentioned 40 years.
Interesting 7/30/2003 to 6/30/2006 approx 34 months + 3 months (9/30/06) =39 months. This mess started about 40 years ago. How many 40’s are there in the bible? Could this be our 40 years in the wilderness? Just a thought… As far as the PB elect… Stephen Bates of the Guardian shares his experience of interviewing the Episcopal Church's new presiding-bishop, who gave the impression that she WOULDN”T be concerned terribly much if her church was required to walk apart from the Anglican Communion. Link is http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2006/06/rowan_to_respond_by_tuesday.html There is also a link to the interview and you will hear Susan Russell describe the Convention's final resolution as 'spineless'; the conservative internet columnist David Virtue explains why he thinks 'the game is now over'; journalist and commentator Andrew Carey, Reverend Briony Morton, Stephen Bates of the Guardian and William Crawley on BBC Northern Ireland. Just food for thought |
| Caroll | Posted: 2006/6/27 4:42 Updated: 2006/6/27 4:43 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: African Bishops write Open Letter to the E Is any one else having trouble with posting. It doesn't take, I do it again, and then there are 2. Sorry for the duplicate.
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