GC2006 : COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' after GC06
COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' after GC06
By Hans Zeiger
VirtueOnline Correspondent
www.virtueonline.org
COLUMBUS, OHIO (6/21/06)-Conservative bishops in the Episcopal Church were disgusted by the 75th General Convention as it concluded Wednesday, some of them repeating their 2003 appeal to the Archbishop of Canterbury "to intervene in the pastoral emergency that has overtaken us." In addition, the bishops exempted themselves from "acts of this Convention that do not fully comply with the Windsor Report."
In an open letter through the American Anglican Council expressing support for the international Anglican Communion's Windsor Report, eleven bishops questioned "whether this General Convention is misleading the rest of the Communion by giving a false perception that they intend actually to comply with the recommendations of the Windsor Report." (A list of the eleven bishops is included below.)
Several conservative bishops and their supporters gathered for a press conference following the passage of B033 which will effect a restraint from the consecration of homosexual bishops in intended compliance with the Windsor Report. The vote on Wednesday for B033 reversed the choice of the House of Deputies on Tuesday to reject the Windsor report.
The Rt. Rev. Jack Iker, Bishop of the Diocese of Fort Worth, responded to the vote at the press conference. "I think that the House of Deputies is schizophrenic. I'm not sure how you can be of two different minds on two different days."
The Rt. Rev. John David Schofield, Bishop of the Diocese of San Joaquin, also doubted the sincerity of the bishops and deputies. A bishop across the table from Schofield told him before the vote on Resolution B033: "That will never hold where I come from. You had better know better than that, Schofield."
Liberals can use the right rhetoric, but ultimately, "the Windsor Report is not being embraced," said the Rt. Rev. Peter Beckwith, Bishop of Springfield. "We are embracing the invitation to dialogue. We're not embracing the core...And it is hypocritical to say one thing and do another."
"As we would appear to want to be in the Anglican Communion only on our terms, what I've found out is that you can't do that," said Beckwith.
VirtueOnline asked the Rt. Rev. James Adams, Bishop of the Diocese of Western Kansas, if the Episcopal Church's response to the Windsor Report was a pretense. "It's not pretend. It was orchestrated," he said, referring to efforts by Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold to affirm a Windsor Resolution, even after it had been defeated in its different form.
Other conservatives were less forcible in their reactions, while continuing to have doubts about the compliance of the Resolution B033 to the Windsor Report. "I think that represents the best that the House of Bishops could have done under the circumstances," the Rt. Rev. Dr. Jeffrey Steenson, Bishop of the Diocese of Rio Grande, told VirtueOnline. "I personally don't think it's going to be judged compliant, but it's not our call anymore. It's the rest of the Communion that will make that choice."
Meanwhile, moderate bishops were satisfied by Convention's end that a compromise between homosexuals and the Anglican Communion had been reached. "I'm excited that this is hopefully a way forward for all Episcopalians without unnecessarily closing any doors," Bishop Dorsey Henderson of the Diocese of Upper South Carolina, a member of the Special Committee that originally considered the Windsor resolutions, and the author of Resolution B033, told VirtueOnline. "I'm heartbroken with the gay and lesbian community and others that are hurt, but I'm convinced that in the longterm this is the best way forward for the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion."
Even so, Henderson mentioned in passing that the vagueness of the "manner of life" language may present difficulties with some African provinces who oppose the use of alcohol.
"The church, I believe, has lost its credibility," Bishop Beckwith told VirtueOnline.
Beckwith said that the Episcopal Convention reflected a "Gnostic, New Age spiritualism," and he doesn't see things improving anytime soon. "It's clear that we're going to continue a development that takes us away from Christianity."
Just after the House of Deputies voted against compliance with the Windsor Report on Tuesday, the House refused to even discuss Resolution D058 which affirmed Jesus Christ as the only way to salvation.
Bishop Adams told VirtueOnline that he fought for Resolution D058 while it was in Evangelism Committee, but he was told that discharge was in order because "discussion and dissension would interfere with the work of the convention."
"I'm not so sure how it can interfere with that," said Adams. "You'd think that in a Christian church we could pass a Christian resolution. That's dissension from these other important things we have to do? Then maybe we shouldn't be doing those other things."
"I'm just saddened to my soul," said Adams, with slight emotion in his voice. Genuine Anglican faith, he said, is "nowhere to be found in the United States except at a very few places." And then he repeated, "I'm saddened to my soul."
Bishop Beckwith was equally disturbed by the discharge of Resolution D058 while dozens of "justice and peace" issues from AIDS to Guantanamo Bay were addressed at the convention. "It's abominable. What it tells me is that we are into a social ministry mode which takes priority over the only thing that energizes social ministries! The only thing that will minister to people is the knowledge that Jesus loves them."
Beckwith continued, "It's a lot easier to talk about getting out of Iraq and making provisions for children than it is about the Gospel which says, 'if you lose your life for my sake, you'll have it.'"
What's next for the conservative bishops in the Episcopal Church?
Bishop Schofield told the press conference, "There's no question that the Diocese of San Joaquin will stay with the Anglican Communion. However, it is very likely that this very weekend this Diocese will follow in the footsteps of the Diocese of Fort Worth and ask for the protection of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Other primates are very much interested in supporting a good, legitimate voice of Anglicanism in the United States."
The Rt. Rev. Robert Duncan, Bishop of Pittsburgh, said, "Our task is to guard the flock. We will do as we need to do."
And Bishop Beckwith summed up his frustrations with the Episcopal Church as he walked back to his hotel along High Street following a long and distressing week. The air was humid after the thunderstorms of morning. He paused in front of the entrance to the Greater Columbus Convention Center and looked out toward the street.
"I don't have any time for it, and I don't want to be a part of it," he concluded. "And how that works out in the future remains to be seen."
Eleven bishops signed onto the American Anglican Council letter:
The Rt. Rev. Keith Lynn Ackerman, Diocese of Quincy
The Rt. Rev. James M. Adams Jr., Diocese of Western Kansas
The Rt. Rev. Peter H. Beckwith, Diocese of Springfield
The Rt. Rev. Robert Wm. Duncan, Diocese of Pittsburgh
The Rt. Rev. Daniel W. Herzog, Diocese of Albany
The Rt. Rev. Jack L. Iker, DD, Diocese of Fort Worth
The Rt. Rev. Edward L. Salmon, Jr., Diocese of South Carolina
The Rt. Rev. John-David Schofield, Diocese of San Joaquin
The Rt. Rev. James M. Stanton, Diocese of Dallas
The Rt. Rev. Henry W. Scriven, Diocese of Pittsburgh
The Rt. Rev. William J. Skilton, Diocese of South Carolina
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/22 3:33 Updated: 2006/6/22 3:33 |
 Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul'The Spirit says unto the believers, "This body has rejected the Head. The cornerstone is cast away from the foundation. My Son is no longer their Lord. They have placed themselves in service to the Satan. In Their wisdom, They know more than the entire host, the whole company of the Angels of light. Quickly, go and take yourselves apart from the abomination that is the church in New York. I have watched her in her transgressions. I have wept for her debasement. She has cast aside the prophets I have sent unto her. The stench of her defilement is wretched unto my nostrils. My anger is white-hot. I have done with her. Know this you faithful, come out from her, for my judgment pours even now upon her head, from veil to sandal I am pouring out upon her my condemnation. I have hardened her heart, she will resist me even unto the last of days, yes, even unto the judgment of life and death will she spew her poison.
Yet it is not my judgment that she be utterly destroyed and seen no more. She will stagger on painfully under the weight of her own abominations, scorned by the true Church, a byword and nothing more. Yet I intend her to be a lingering reproach unto you, that you may not forget what role you have played in her debasement. Many times have I raised up prophets in your midst. Many times have I called for the faithful in her midst to rise up and resist the barbarous innovations, the baseless teachings and outright abominations. But you were afraid. You did not abide in faith. You did not trust in my grace and power to work through you. You were quiet when I asked you to shout. You sat when I called you to stand. You walked when I told you to fight. It is now far past the hour, it is too late. Have nothing more to do with her. I have set a wall between you and her. You will not wrest control of the beast, her judgment is to continue on her journey, spiraling down to the lake of fire. You are powerless before my judgment. Cast off your fear of departure, now is the time to walk. Cast off your anger, now is the time to repent. Cast off your desire for vengeance, now is the time to pray. These former things will avail you nothing. The latter shall be your course. Repent of your role in her journey and recommit yourselves to the Commission. The harvest is still so great, while the laborers are yet so few. Waste not your time in kicking against the goads. Yes, set yourselves apart from her or risk a share in her torment. Undertake the tasks to which you committed yourselves in Baptism." So saith the Spirit. Amen. |
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/22 3:54 Updated: 2006/6/22 3:55 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' I will place my trust in my bishop, +John-David, whom I have known for years, and in Our Lord, whom I have loved all of my life.
Cennydd |
| Damascus | Posted: 2006/6/22 4:02 Updated: 2006/6/22 4:02 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/9/26 From: Republic of Karelia Posts: 640 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' We have been waiting approximately twenty-one months since the Windsor Report came out in October of 2004. Orthodox parishes and priests have been under unrelenting attack by their revisionist bishops. Parishes and individuals have been streaming out of ECUSA. Everyone implied that there would be big changes after General Convention 2006. The convention has come and gone and now it is time to see what will happen.
You would pretty much have to acknowledge that the revisionist forces were completely in control of the General Convention. Resolutions that endorsed traditional Christian views were either voted down on the floor or never made it out of committee. There were a plethora of resolutions dealing with far-left social issues that really had little to do with the church. The House of Bishops elected the absolutely most liberal Presiding Bishop that they could find. The demands of the Windsor Report were generally held in contempt. Only a strong last minute effort by Frank Griswold got any resolution regarding Windsor passed, and it only dealt with one of the three main demands and only did so partially. Every liberal within earshot was saying that they would vote for this to try and appease the Anglican Communion but they had no real intention of abiding by it. General Convention was an unmitigated defeat for conservatives. It is especially a defeat for anyone who believed that there was still a place for the orthodox within ECUSA. Anyone who is thinking that they should stay within ECUSA and fight the good fight for the church's soul had better rethink that. ECUSA's soul has long since been irreparably corrupted. There is no way forward at this point other than disassociation. What remains to be seen is if our Network bishops have the will to do something other than crank out press releases and relate how "saddened" that they are. The greatest cure for sadness is activity and there is no activity like planting a new church on North American soil. It is time now to put up or shut up. They can either take decisive action and separate from ECUSA or they can decide to stay within ECUSA and get used to being Gene Robinson's and Louie Crew's bitches. I know that there was a time when arrangements and planning had to be done. ECUSA had to be given a chance to repent. That time has come and gone and now is the time for action. I can assure you that the laity is tired of waiting. You have been given the benefit of the doubt to this point and people have been incredibly patient. Patience is now wearing thin. If prompt action does not follow the General Convention, your credibility will be in shreds and people will have to toll the bell for the death of North American Anglicanism and move to another faith tradition. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/22 4:20 Updated: 2006/6/22 4:20 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Damascus, Bishop Schofield is meeting with our Standing Committee this Saturday, I believe. Something's about to happen.
Cennydd |
| MarkP | Posted: 2006/6/22 4:46 Updated: 2006/6/22 4:47 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/11/11 From: Diocese of El Camino Real Posts: 319 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Liberals can use the right rhetoric, but ultimately, "the Windsor Report is not being embraced," said the Rt. Rev. Peter Beckwith, Bishop of Springfield. "We are embracing the invitation to dialogue. We're not embracing the core...And it is hypocritical to say one thing and do another."
Let's face it, the GC is controlled by liberals. They don't repent their actions. It's to their credit that they don't lie about repenting, when they really don't repent. Let the chips fall where they will. It appears, however, that The Episcopal Church has quite clearly chosen to walk apart from the Anglican Communion. Good job by the GC on this one! |
| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/22 6:53 Updated: 2006/6/22 6:53 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2006/5/29 From: Posts: 869 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' "What remains to be seen is if our Network bishops have the will to do something other than crank out press releases and relate how "saddened" that they are. The greatest cure for sadness is activity and there is no activity like planting a new church on North American soil."
Amen, brother. Here is a challenge to all denominations: If you think that your church is a good one, perhaps even more faithful to our Lord's teachings than others, then get into some godly competition: Plant congregations, grow churches. By all means pick up some disaffected ECUSAns, but most of all, witness to all and sundry. Disciple everyone, especially those who have never known the love of Jesus. If every related church plants some new congregations, then something quite wonderful will have come out of the wreck of ECUSA |
| FrSam+ | Posted: 2006/6/22 11:03 Updated: 2006/6/22 11:30 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/7/15 From: Posts: 555 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Now that GC2006 is over I think I can say it now.
I told you, I told you, I told you! Months ago I said that: Nothing would change. ECUSA (or whatever they are called now) would throw the AoC and the Windsor people a bone and call it compliance. Things would go on as they did before this convention. When are people going to realize that there will be NO future date, meeting, conference, convention, decision, or organization that is going to "rescue the orthodox" in ECUSA? The ONLY remaining hope for conservatives left is if the Network bishops rise and DO SOMETHING. From statements so far, it appears that the never ending future "dates and meetings" will continue. In addition to that, nowhere in the resolution B033 did anyone discuss repentance, amendment of life, or new life in Christ. Only "how can we stay in the club and continue to do what we want." ECUSA now has a Presiding Bishopess. V Gene is still counted among her bishops. ECUSA is still a member of the world wide Anglican Communion and that will not change any time soon, if ever. I told you. |
| Leonard | Posted: 2006/6/22 11:10 Updated: 2006/6/22 11:10 |
Just can't stay away   Joined: 2004/11/2 From: Denver Posts: 141 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Jesus Christ Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
Again, I have to say they DID NOT 'throw Canterbury a bone....' Just TRIPE! Fr. Onesimus, a sinner |
| Voyager | Posted: 2006/6/22 11:29 Updated: 2006/6/22 11:29 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/7/30 From: 90 ± 10 Astronomical Units (AU). Posts: 1594 |
American Comedy Show ECUSA is a long-running comedy. It seems that the weirder you are the higher you rise. The Church of England should have dropped ECUSA over women priests but probably liked the Americans paying for Conferences and Hote bills.
If they don't spin off ECUSA now they can delete the whole Church of England. Rowan Williams is a bit of a joke, but what little status he has would be sustained by dumping ECUSA. On the other hand it may be that Anglicanism as a way between Roman Catholicism and Reformed Churches is dead. From my perspective this side of the Great Waters ECUSA is just another kookie church of which the Us has so many. |
| warmac9999 | Posted: 2006/6/22 11:34 Updated: 2006/6/22 11:47 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/2/16 From: Posts: 1447 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Words from Bishop Lee at the end of the convention.
---"gay and lesbian people and their supporters who feel we have stepped back, and the extreme right, who find it so difficult to work with those with whom they disagree". Those of you who hail from Virginia should take a look at Bishop Lee's convention ending comments. From his perspective, it is right wing extremist who have created the problem and they are difficult to work with (I guess because they didn't like the condemnation of the Bible and the repudiation of Jesus, among other thing). Lee uses no such loaded language when he discusses the extremists in the homosexual movement who have brought the once great Episcopal church to its end. I hope he can explain this to Truro. Based on what I see, Truro will be leaving the ecusa for more Christian pastures. |
| profpk | Posted: 2006/6/22 11:35 Updated: 2006/6/22 11:35 |
Just popping in  Joined: 2005/9/25 From: Posts: 9 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' R.I.P., ECUSA
Let us not mourn the demise of the (former) Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America, which committed organizational suicide on June 18, 2006. Not, mind you, because of the sex of the newly-elected Presiding Bishop. Rather because she enthusiastically plans to continue to pursue the gauzy agenda of the "progressive" wing. Thus the feeble responses of General Convention 2006 to the Windsor Report are rendered moot by the incarnation of that agenda in the head of the church. The Episcopal Church (new name) now truly walks alone. It is time, therefore, for the partners in Common Cause to establish a new Anglican Church in North America, and seek communion with our brothers and sisters in the rest of the world. |
| mathman | Posted: 2006/6/22 11:53 Updated: 2006/6/22 11:53 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/5/26 From: Rockville, MD Posts: 1028 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Any country music fans out there?
The Great Divorce has happened. And Kris Kristofferson set it to music. "It's over, and nobody wins." |
| seminary05 | Posted: 2006/6/22 12:00 Updated: 2006/6/22 12:00 |
Just popping in  Joined: 2005/6/2 From: Atlanta Posts: 4 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' as disturbing as the results of the GC have been. And the new P.B. is certainly been disturbing, her remarks heretical and this flimsy resolution vague and possibly hypocritical. Now more than ever we need to have faith in our Network Bishops that they have already been setting the new plan in progress and that the GC simply has forced their hand. I believe that the Network will see us through this uncertain and disturbing time. I believe that we all must earnestly and humbly pray for a future in the Anglican Communion with our Network as the cornerstone of her (the AC)church stateside. Our mission as believers is spelled out quite clearly by the "great commssion". We need merely be patient with our Network as that they must work within the legal confines of the USA. I am sure they are doing everything they can do to make a new transition and to leave us the devout, in a good and comfortable position with the AC, and to once again be able to proclaim the Good News without further interference from Griswold and his lot...
Yours in the one and Only Lord Jesus Christ + |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/22 12:13 Updated: 2006/6/22 12:13 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' The nice thing Mark is that the current leadership is elderly and will be Gone to Meet Thier Maker in a few short years.
At that time, it will be possible to purchase ECUSA/TEC/"The Church" assets for pennies on the dollar, perhaps after competing with liquor-serving establishments and condo developers. Then the loop can be closed on this sorry phase of the Church in the United States. But these Boomers are, by older and fairer standards, insane. |
| rossi | Posted: 2006/6/22 12:29 Updated: 2006/6/22 12:29 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Redcar, England Posts: 639 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' If the orthodox bishops in the TEC(the newest Christian Marginal Group),and the leaders of the Global South accept the B 033,than will be very clear that only sin for Anglicans is to have a gay sodomite bishop.
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| HowieG | Posted: 2006/6/22 12:30 Updated: 2006/6/22 12:30 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/7/1 From: Central Massachusetts Posts: 231 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' ***VirtueOnline asked the Rt. Rev. James Adams, Bishop of the Diocese of Western Kansas, if the Episcopal Church's response to the Windsor Report was a pretense. "It's not pretend. It was orchestrated," he said, referring to efforts by Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold to affirm a Windsor Resolution, even after it had been defeated in its different form.***
Does anyone actually believe that the GC is honest in approving something that they defeated the first time around? I have little doubt that the revisionist clergy and bishops will be looking for ways to get around this poor excuse of a resolution to further their anti-scripture agenda. (After all, Jesus is no longer the only way to the Father, etc.) HowieG |
| patience | Posted: 2006/6/22 12:31 Updated: 2006/6/22 12:31 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' With the revisionists in ascendence, its gonna get even weirder (if thats possible). What can we do but pray and stand tall for the faith we were given and acknowledge the Lordship of Jesus Christ through all these trials.
Notwithstanding this, we should not yield to the temptation to judge, for by the measure we use... God is greater than our current tribulations; he has time and again worked what people intend for evil to be for the good. |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/22 12:39 Updated: 2006/6/22 12:41 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Brother,
I don't think anyone seriously believed a Godly outcome was possible. While many hoped-beyond-hope, the outcome was obvious. What you saw play out was something quite different from a last-ditch attempt to salvage ECUSA. It was a ritual of estrangement and mourning that had to happen the way it did. First of all, there is the Matthew xviii process. It has been fulfilled. Completely. We can look God in the eye now and not feel shame. We have done our duty. Secondly, there are almost insurmountable emotional and generational ties to PECUSA that had to be severed -- surely you have some compassion for the anguish experienced, particularly by the elderly who are unaccustomed to the rapid change and constant dislocation we younger Americans take for granted. It simply takes time to come to grips with such a dreadful decision. Old dreams and memories must be overcome... A sense of anxiety and fear must be dealt with... New patterns of life need to be built. THIS ALL TAKES TIME. It is unchristian to begrudge a man time. But now we've gone through all that. Three years have passed and those who care are now ready to move on. Others may choose to live out their days as-is. I'm not going to judge them as I can understand why a man looking at eternity may not give a damn for the babbling of a freakish Boomer in Manhattan... Whatever. For those who care, the separation is over and the divorce is at hand. All that is needed now is to sign the papers. A sad day, and a hopeful one. But sadness is part of it, like it or not. |
| rossi | Posted: 2006/6/22 12:45 Updated: 2006/6/22 12:45 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Redcar, England Posts: 639 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Guys the situation is this, for you in America is very defficult to be an orthodox Anglican, Here in the Englanistan is very defficult to be a
Christian,some muslin countries treat their Christian better than the Her Majesty' goverment, if any of you can give me some advise about the American asylum seeker law. please give me. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/22 12:45 Updated: 2006/6/22 12:45 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Seminary, you make some very good points here. For the past three years, I have consistently urged the creation of a new orthodox Anglican province in this country....and possibly Canada. The Anglican Communion Network has created what, for all intents and purposes, is a "province in waiting." Our seven convocations....one of which was created for those parishes which are under or who have sought protection under foreign primates, are the framework for that new province. One diocese....Fort Worth....has asked the Archbishop of Canterbury for protection, and I have reason to believe that my own diocese is soon to follow.
I believe that the exodus is beginning in earnest, and one way or another, the Episcopal Church as we know it is dead! Christ is "working His purpose out as year succeeds to year," and orthodox Anglican Christianity is on the brink of great growth in North America. God willing, we will rescue the fallen and bring them to Christ. Let it be so! Cennydd |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/22 12:49 Updated: 2006/6/22 12:49 |
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From the Seconde Booke of Iudas Iscariot, Misunderstanded Prophet of the Lord II Judas xx:6-9
6. Why speaketh with undeceiving tongue when flattery and honey sufficeth thine intentions? 7. Only the silly believe what others tell them and only the foolish man acts upon the words of him who speaketh flattery. 8. Woe be to the chump who takest a man at his word! 9. For the wise man speaketh plainly only in the companie of his fellows, them that are to be trusted not to betraith gainful plans. |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/22 12:51 Updated: 2006/6/22 12:51 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' To my heart, she died when she changed her name and dropped mine, "Protestant", from hers...
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/22 12:51 Updated: 2006/6/22 12:51 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Rossi, if you are serious about this, contact the United States Embassy in London. You have to be able to prove persecution, however. You can also apply for Immigration as an alien. Since I'm not an attorney, perhaps someone else on this blog can advise you better than I.
Good luck to you! Cennydd |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/22 13:15 Updated: 2006/6/22 13:18 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' I thoroughly enjoyed my last visit to England, spent mainly in East Anglia... I suppose the grass is always greener on the other side of the ocean.
However, if you wish to emmigrate to the United States, there are several potential avenues for you to consider: 1. Contact the US Department of State and learn that Europeans are no longer welcome here in favor of non-europeans... 2. Find a company willing to sponsor you for an H1B or L1 visa (special skills). Or purchase a small business with the intention of creating jobs, making you eligible for some new category of visa available to whites 3. Move to Canada, still part of the UK and "visit" America forgeting to leave... (works as a student, too) or... 4. Sneak across the Rio Grande and tell the Gringo cops (if you see any) you're a Mexican and don't need no stinkin' badges! Take your pick, but the last two are nearly foolproof. Only fools do it the "right" way. Heavy sigh... and call me a fool and - Joe Minuteman |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2006/6/22 13:38 Updated: 2006/6/22 13:38 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' The last installment from the Sweet, Rollicking, Rocking Nice Gospel of Judas Priest (!), Part II,
Chapter 13, Verses 13-end, affectionately known as “The Party’s Over”. 13 Now do not go thinking that because I(Judas Priest!) did my former master a favor by turning him over to the federales that you should do the same for me. In fact, do not think at all, that would be best. 14 Instead, head on down to hoo-songs cantina for a pitcher of margaritas and a cucumber sandwich and consider the marvelous works we have done with nothing to guide us but sleight of hand. 15 Sodomy for everyone! Whatever you do is justified! Ignore the traditions, the bible, the (former) master, and gratify your every wish and desire in the name of the (new) spirit that infests you with its very special fire. Whatever you do say it came from that spirit. 16 Just as I told you: Niceness, duplicity, fraud, deceit, inversion, perversion, and a heart so hardened against the word, the law, the prophets and the (former) master that YOU HAVE AT LAST EARNED MY REWARD. LUCKY YOU! |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2006/6/22 13:43 Updated: 2006/6/22 13:43 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' And so ends the second gospel of judas.
And so ends the last ECUSAN convention. Editors Note: How come I'm not Davinci code rich yet? Causidicus |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/22 13:50 Updated: 2006/6/22 13:50 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' The Anglican Communion Network has created what, for all intents and purposes, is a "province in waiting."
Sorry, my friend. It ain't that simple. The question is whether the majority of the Global South Primates want to save a "remnant" from ECUSA, or unite this remnant and the various fragments of the Anglican Way in this country. If you look at the actions of certain primates, the latter seems to be path they are seeking. And this won't happen overnight. Or likely this year, or next. But don't be discouraged. Be encouraged that they believe there is an Anglican Church in this part of the world worth saving and working with. |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/22 13:50 Updated: 2006/6/22 13:50 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Quote:
3. Move to Canada, still part of the UK Canada hasn't been part of the UK since 1867. And crossing the border from Canada to the US is much harder now than in was pre-9/11. A UK citizen will be fingerprinted, and will not be able to trivially forget to leave. |
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/22 14:34 Updated: 2006/6/22 14:34 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' D'oh!
Then why is Elizabeth still on Canadian money? |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/22 16:27 Updated: 2006/6/22 16:27 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' The holy Spirit has spoken! We in Quincy have been officially kicked out of ECUSA by the election of the new PB. For that I am eternally grateful.
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| Damascus | Posted: 2006/6/22 17:06 Updated: 2006/6/22 17:06 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/9/26 From: Republic of Karelia Posts: 640 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Who cares what the Global South primates do? That shouldn't have any effect on what we do. If orthodox diocese show they have the gumption to leave ECUSA, the Global South will be there to support us. If we continue to dither about having meetings and drawing new lines in the sand, they will follow our lead. The Global South is never going to choose ECUSA over the Network if they are presented with a choice. We have yet to force them to make that choice.
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| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/22 17:30 Updated: 2006/6/22 17:30 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/11/10 From: Posts: 1782 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' "It is time now to put up or shut up. They can either take decisive action and separate from ECUSA or they can decide to stay within ECUSA and get used to being Gene Robinson's and Louie Crew's bitches."
_____________________________________ I tell you, does it get any clearer than that?" Thanks, Damascus. |
| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/22 18:04 Updated: 2006/6/22 18:04 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' "... and orthodox Anglican Christianity is on the brink of great growth in North America. God willing, we will rescue the fallen and bring them to Christ. Let it be so!"
____________________________________________ Yes indeed, Cennydd, Let it be so! At this point, I'm associated with the Essentials Federation; my parish being the only one in the diocese. I am a diocesan synod delegate in October - and will need to speak to my local liberal cesspool. We shall see what the Lord gives me . . .  |
| James1 | Posted: 2006/6/22 20:26 Updated: 2006/6/22 20:26 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Damascus has it pegged. It is not up to the Global South. It is not up to the Anglican Communion Network. It is up to that person you see in the mirror in the morning (perhaps one somewhat more awake!). There is nothing you have to wait on now. LEAVE! The leaders will then see where the people are going and get out front.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/22 20:49 Updated: 2006/6/22 20:50 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Joe,
The Queen is the head of state in name only that's why she appears on our coins. Canada has its own constitution, prime minister, parliment, senate and is independent of Britain although it maintains close ties. The Queen representative here is the Governor General but she has no say in the affairs of Canada. Canada was a Dominion of Great Britain, but did not opt to have a President and constitution like the US. |
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| Truthseekr | Posted: 2006/6/23 2:10 Updated: 2007/5/9 12:50 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/9/14 From: terra firma ................ ( just a pilgrim passing thru ) Posts: 784 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Dear H,
I felt compelled to go look up the prophetic word you were given a few months back: H Posted: 2006/4/5 21:11 Updated: 2006/4/5 21:11 “…"These that claim repentance are deceivers and abominations….” Link to the full word given: http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3844&com_id=37741&com_rootid=37741&com_mode=thread&#comment37741 When I reread that given word, compared to what just happened at gencon 2006; The hairs on the back of my neck stood straight up… The peace of the Lord be with you, And with all those Christians that Stood in the Gap for Him and His Word at convention. Yours in Christ Jesus; truthseekr |
| Truthseekr | Posted: 2006/6/23 2:16 Updated: 2006/6/23 2:16 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/9/14 From: terra firma ................ ( just a pilgrim passing thru ) Posts: 784 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' getting some ashes will not be a problem...
but does anybody know where to get a big old feedsack, (sackcloth), size XXXLarge?  |
| Voyager | Posted: 2006/6/23 5:27 Updated: 2006/6/23 5:27 |
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Canada Why would anyone want to move from ECUSA to Canada ? Canada has legalised gay marriage and divorce; and a Church which is not far behind ECUSA in Apostasy.
The Queen is Head of The Commonwealth and Supreme Governor of the Church of England, both make sense within the context of the Commonwealth but not within the context of a Post-1776 America. If you think the Archbishop of Canterbury will cut ECUSA adrift - wait and see. If you think the Blair Government which selected Rowan Williams (by passing one of two names to The Queen) and put Jeffrey John in as Dean of St Albans 9No 10 appoints Deans in the Church of England), and it was Blair's Govt that is now going to make it illegal for a Church to refuse to rent rooms to GLBT organisations - and has removed the words "Spinster" and "Bachelor" from wedding certificates to now read "Single" so no gender-specific language appears distinguishing Marriage from Civil Partnerships.....................well stand by to be disappointed PS> Americans should put Queen Elizabeth on their coins and make them less boring  |
| Gideon_FL | Posted: 2006/6/24 13:31 Updated: 2006/6/24 13:31 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' James1 wrote:
Damascus has it pegged. It is not up to the Global South. It is not up to the Anglican Communion Network. It is up to that person you see in the mirror in the morning (perhaps one somewhat more awake!). There is nothing you have to wait on now. LEAVE! The leaders will then see where the people are going and get out front. Amen, James1! Don't place your trust in ECUSA, or the Network, or Canterbury or the Global South. Choose to be faithful to Jesus and place your hope in him. Let that guide your decision about whether to change churches or stay and fight. I personally hope that many, many parishes will choose to disassociate from ECUSA all at once; I don't think most dioceses are strong enough to successfully fight a large scale exodus. And I think if a bishop and standing committee had the courage to leave ECUSA, there would be virtually no stopping it. And if God wants to unify the Continuing Churches with the AMiA with the overseas oversight churches with the newly departed ExCUSAns, I know that he will accomplish it. But God doesn't usually show us what the final result will look like. We have to be faithful to listen to Him and walk with Him one step at a time. Faithfully, Gideon |
| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/25 14:38 Updated: 2006/6/25 14:38 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/11/10 From: Posts: 1782 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Conservatives 'saddened to soul' Yes Yes Yes !!
Gideon et al. has it absolutely correct! This witness will have IMPACT - For us, Our Lord, and those who would return, and above all: THOSE WHO WOULD BE SAVED !! |
