COLUMBUS, OH: "The Windsor Process" Is this a substitute for The Windsor Report?
News Analysis
By Peter Toon
VirtueOnline Correspondent
www.virtueonline.org
6/20/2006
In the Special Committee, which produced the Resolutions arising from responding to The Windsor Report, and in the House of Deputies, which has been considering them (up to this time of writing), many speakers have used the expression "the Windsor Process." It seems that the expression has become for some a way of saying more than the basically simple thing that there is an ongoing response to the requests made in The Windsor Report.
No doubt for some, it is used in a straightforward way and means something like this: that after the Report was published, the Archbishop of Canterbury wrote a Pastoral Letter to the Communion about it, and then the Primates' Meeting followed by the Anglican Consultative Council made public statements about it. Further, it was received by the Episcopal Church, discussed in the Executive Council, studied by a special group who produced a report for General Convention, debated in dioceses and congregations and eventually brought to General Convention. As to what happens after General Convention is a process that is not yet in motion and is wholly unknown.
I am told by an ECUSA bishop that he has heard the Archbishop speak of "the Windsor process" and, from the context, it appeared to have a meaning such as that just stated.
What I sense is that for some in General Convention the phrase is a way of making it clear that what the Convention ought to focus on is not simply the fact of the consecration of Gene Robinson; but everything that occurred before it and after it, including the reaction abroad and the work of the special commission which produced the Report. That is, what the Anglican Communion needs to learn and hear is that there was a process within the Episcopal Church, which led to the choice and the ordaining as bishop of Robinson, and that there was then a process in the Anglican Communion in response to it, followed by a process within the Episcopal Church that is ongoing and will certainly not end when Convention ends. By talking of process, it is possible to let the consecration stand as a fact to be celebrated, and then express great sorrow and regret for all the pain and problems it has caused.
In other words, to emphasize process and to give the impression that the Report itself is calling for process, is a way of making it possible to draft Resolutions and then have them passed, in a form of words, and, in a way, that does not express regret for the fact of the consecration itself but abundantly expresses regret and repentance for the way in which the process has caused all kinds of problems for Anglicans and Episcopalians.
Further, to emphasize process is also to open up the possibility that "Gays and Lesbians" have been, are and should be a necessary part of the ongoing process, for, it is stated, they need to be heard and understood and they need to be present in all conversations. So what is envisaged is an ongoing situation where the Episcopal Church will explains itself, its Resolutions and mind to the provinces of the Anglican Communion and listens to what these say to it.
Such an interpretation of ongoing process without a specific center or a known goal probably fits into a larger philosophical and theological picture. Not a few Episcopalians these days have been taught and have embraced either in a sophisticated or popular way what is known as process philosophy and process theology based upon it. Here the fact of cosmic evolution is taken for granted and God is seen as involved in an ongoing, evolutionary relation to the world. In this cosmic and historical process God actually changes, the world changes and the church is called to change as it follows the God of evolution and process. So right now the church is in process of receiving God's latest revelation; that of the right of same-sex persons to live together in covenantal, holy unions.
In conclusion, may I express my fear that "the Windsor process" is understood one way at Lambeth Palace and in the Primates' Meeting and in yet another, more complex and convoluted way, by many in leadership in the Episcopal Church. This may well mean in the months ahead that in reading the Resolutions passed by this Church and the explanations offered, people outside the ECUSA will gain a wrong understanding and a false interpretation of what is intended. They may think that regret is being offered for the event and its consequences when it is being offered only for the process of consequences.
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| David_Fine | Posted: 2006/6/20 15:55 Updated: 2006/6/20 15:55 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/3/29 From: Madison, WI Posts: 321 |
I had figured the use of 'process' was for the purpose of:
(1) move the focus away from a fixed report and a fixed response to it. Use of 'Process' means that nothing is settled, conversation and listening continue. (2) the Windsor report loses its power as a line in the sand, and becomes a smaller part of the whole ongoing give and take between the Primates and ECUSA. I figure that many people who use the word 'process' want to diminish the importance of the Windsor Report and a clear response to it. David |
| wdodson | Posted: 2006/6/20 15:59 Updated: 2006/6/20 15:59 |
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Perhaps we should change the heading to Psalm 51 into "The Nathan Process." Sure, the dead husband and child are to wept over. But who could complain about the precipitating act?
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/20 16:13 Updated: 2006/6/20 16:13 |
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It's the same subtle twisting of the language that Satan used to deceive Adam and Eve.
Truly, ECUSA, is without a doubt, a Satanic Death Cult. But keep up the good work protecting us from within this Death Cult, Bishop Duncan!!!!!!!!! Maybe someday you will change their mind ![]() |
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| Gander | Posted: 2006/6/20 16:30 Updated: 2006/6/20 16:30 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/5/31 From: Less than 1 Earth diameter away Posts: 452 |
While TEC (The Episcopal Club) sticks a finger in the eye of the Anglican Communion, they appologize for, and regret the pain. In fact, they are so pompous that they stick another finger in the other eye and have twice the regret. How sweet!
The white horse surrenders to the culture and now the red horse will bring war. I doubt it will be a war of guns and bombs, but worse it will be a war of destuction of all that is good and beautiful and right. For sanity's sake I suggest keeping the Scripture close to one's heart. Don |
| Gander | Posted: 2006/6/20 16:32 Updated: 2006/6/20 16:32 |
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TEC = The Episcopal Cult?
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| angler2 | Posted: 2006/6/20 16:35 Updated: 2006/6/20 16:39 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/6/19 From: Posts: 105 |
Respectfully to Rootbranch-
Maybe someday pigs will fly! Bishop Duncan surely knows that the likelihood of turning around this Gaderene herd is twofold - zero and none. Not a whiff of energy should be spent trying to reform TEC; it is already over the cliff. Now Bishop Duncan needs to give his full attention to the formation of a new Anglican province in America. He is to be pitied if he chooses the now totally discredited " church within a church" model. He has my prayers! |
| ICXCNIKA | Posted: 2006/6/20 16:42 Updated: 2006/6/20 16:54 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 82 |
“Resolved, the House of ______ concurring, That the 75th General Convention of TEC, (Totally Excluding Consciences), has moved that we regret and feel pity on those backward Africans, Asians, and hate-filled orthodox who have yet to receive the gnosis that we, enlightened post-Christian Americans, have been gloriously given by the Holy Spirit, who we direct through our resolutions.
We further move that LGBTs are the ones who have suffered most from the oppressive and disgraceful actions of those who uphold some anti-Jewish, 'Jesus only saves' Scriptures that have led so many away from the touchy, feely faith that we hold dear. We further move that there be a moratorium on all 'heterosexual' ordinations until we can discern whether or not they are hiding true feelings for the same sex. We further move that we can say whatever we want, and all those opposed to peace and justice and inclusion on our terms can go to hell. ...this might as well be the resolutions, for they say the same thing in Episcobabble. Keep the Faith everyone. Remember that God will not be mocked. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/20 17:02 Updated: 2006/6/20 17:02 |
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ICXCNIKA, this is a clear-cut example of Obfuscatory Episcobabble if I ever saw one!
Cennydd |
| Jefferson | Posted: 2006/6/20 17:20 Updated: 2006/6/20 17:20 |
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Or: "How to do nothing while appearing to do something."
The revisionists are either idiots or think we are. Solution: Vote down all of the WR resolutions for the surreal gibbersih they are. To send them to the ABC and other Primates in this form is a spit in the eye. Period |
| erennach | Posted: 2006/6/20 17:50 Updated: 2006/6/20 18:12 |
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"OK Sparky, here's the deal:" If you 'sign on' as a Christian, you accept certain things, not the least of which is the understanding that there will be no more revelations' (sorry Joseph Smith, Mohammad, Gene Robinson and 'Hurricane'Katherine). Another is that the Lord God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Personally, I have no idea why the Lord precludes women from ordination (I think I'd be a great Priest) or prohibits homosexuality, but He does and since I want to follow Him, I accept what He prescribes. He also tells me He is THE way, THE truth and THE life and I can't get to God unless I come through the 2nd person of the Trinity, Jesus Christ. Accepting that is also part of being a Christian. There is ONLY ONE WAY to GOD: THROUGH JESUS CHRIST and Christians cannot just 'tolerate' others. I have a commission from the Lord Jesus Christ to go and make disciples of all nations, and yes, I also have His examples of allowing those who will not believe to go in peace and forgiveness. (As Christians, we don't always get that right, but we do keep trying to do better.) If I cannot accept those tenets, perhaps I am not really 'called' to be a Christian (not yet, anyway). If the liberals/revisionists have such a hard time with all of that, fine. Let them leave the Christian faith and join the Buddhists or whatever. There are several heretical sects already in place (Islam, Jehovah's' Witness, Mormons) as well. Of course, the Episcopal church is rich in land, property, respectability and donors which makes it such an appealing prize for the secularists. By the way ECUSA - if Paul, Luke, Joshua and Jesus Himself were 'wrong' back then, or things 'have changed' how do you know YOU are right NOW? Will things change again? Why? Our God is an awesome God and He is in control. We need to remain faithful to Him, tough as it is sometimes and cling to others who are faithful. We face tough times and Jesus warned us that we would if we did follow Him. In His Grace, Erennach |
| IMGB007 | Posted: 2006/6/20 18:55 Updated: 2006/6/20 18:58 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/6/15 From: Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 93 |
Well said, Erennach!! I especially liked
Quote: since I want to follow Him, I accept what He prescribes. When I came to be a believer in Jesus, I too had to make some "life adjustments" in that what I liked to do wasn't always what He wanted me to do. As I've heard before, when you call Him Lord, have you really made Him the Lord of your life? A friend of mine likes to say, "The phrase, 'No, Lord' is an oxymoron." Thanks for your input! God bless, Greg |
| rossi | Posted: 2006/6/20 19:03 Updated: 2006/6/20 19:03 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Redcar, England Posts: 639 |
Cennydd you are right it is just bulls***,they
are all lost,I just can't wait to now what Akinola thinks about all this bloodys***. I think that our archdruid here will some hard times.By the way Cennydd I call him a druid becouse here in England a druid is a pagan priest of the revived celtic religion plus new age stuff they are the people that tomorow will go in pilgrimation to stonehenge to celebrate the first day of the Summer,that soon will be a official holiday,there day will worship the Mother Earth,dancing, smoking marijuana,drinking and having lots of sex,all kinds, including that one that +Gene has with his boy friend.It is the second fastest growin religion in England,and the fastest in wales,The theologia of Ronan willians and the New Matriarch of the TEC is almost the same,I think that the mother god that she and others feminist worship in the TEC is the same.I think when she comesto pay a call to our archdruid she should go in pilgrimation to stonehenge. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/20 19:48 Updated: 2006/6/20 19:48 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
Rossi, it's true that there IS a difference between a Bard and a Druid, but the two are often thought of as being one-and-the-same thing, and chiefly by people who don't know any better. They're not the same thing.
I can imagine what ++Akinola's reaction will be when the vote comes in tomorrow evening. I predict that ECUSA will thumb their noses at the Communion, and that vote will tell the primates to go to Hell. That, of course, is my opinion, but that's how it looks to me. Cheers! (Pob Hwyl!) Cennydd |
| Truthseekr | Posted: 2006/6/20 19:55 Updated: 2006/6/20 19:55 |
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an interesting posting
Forward in Faith website http://www.forwardinfaith.com/artman/publish/article_308.shtml that talks about consulting with Anglican Leaders globally prior to taking action... |
| OtisPage | Posted: 2006/6/20 20:19 Updated: 2006/6/20 20:19 |
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The respected and revered Toon suggests the deceitful theological tactic by TEC (now Schori, et al) is, “the fact of cosmic evolution is taken for granted and God is seen as involved in an ongoing, evolutionary relation to the world. In this cosmic and historical PROCESS God actually changes, the world changes and the church is called to change as it follows the God of evolution and process. So right now the church is in PROCESS of receiving God's latest revelation; that of the right of same-sex persons to live together in covenantal, holy unions.”
God does not change. His revelation in Scripture does not change. His Holy Spirit never contradicts that which is prescribed in Scripture. There is no “right of same-sex persons to live together in covenantal, holy unions.” For same-sex sexual relations is sin. (Rom. 1:26,27, Lev. 18:22, 20:13, 1 Cor. 6:9, 1 Tim. 1:10, Gen. 19: 1-9, Judg. 22:19, 1 Kin. 14:24 and Jude 7) One thing is clear. ECSUA (Now TEC) is apostate and its apostasy is evil in God’s eyes. (Hab 1:13a) The true implication of Schori's election confirms ECUSA's apostasy and the perpetuation of the “PROCESS” by TEC. (Heb 6:4-6) The “PROCESS” is a deceptive manipulation in handling of AC and the Communion Primates. Schori's succession amplifies Griswold's deceit in administering the “PROCESS.” The Communion and true Christian Episcopalians must expel ECUSA/TEC or be tainted by the sexual cancer, with its “right of orgasm” and “genital expression”, that undermines all of Christianity with Schori’s election. . |
| Caroll | Posted: 2006/6/20 22:06 Updated: 2006/6/20 22:09 |
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I found this while reading an article by Ruth Gledhill and thought it hit the nail
on the head.http://timescolumns.typepad.com/gledhill/2006/06/schori_at_a_med.html "Division is of the devil" says church leader. Latest on TEC. "Who is responsible for that which has happened? Without prejudging the conclusions which the Holy Synod will come to, having studied the testimonies collected by the Commission which has been appointed for that purpose, I want to speak of that which is perfectly clear: division stems from the envy of the enemy of the human race, who, finding support in human weakness, seeks new means to wound the Church. Just as unity is from God, division in the Church is invariably from the evil one. At this point, it would be most helpful for each one of us to look into our soul and to ask our conscience: did we give opportunity to the devil (Eph. 4:27)? Did we show impatience, lack of attention, insensitivity, from which the schism gradually developed?" Who is the speaker here? Not an Anglican. Meanwhile, at Columbus, Ohio the resolution on moratoria has failed and so has an alternative. Classical Anglican is reporting: "Bonds of affection snapped." Yet the surprising truth seems to be, there might not be schism after all. See the end of this post for the possible reason why. The words at the top are those of Patriarch Alexei II of Moscow, writing in connection with a split in the Russian Orthodox Church community in London, the subject of much discussion on another post. As The Episcopal Church seems reluctant properly to listen to Anglican warnings from around the world, maybe an Orthodox voice, from the "Third Rome" no less, will help. Or maybe it will just strengthen their apparent determination to "walk alone". ![]() Quote: did we give opportunity to the devil (Eph. 4:27)? Did we show impatience, lack of attention, insensitivity" This really struck me. I don't think it was impatience or insensitivity...it was lack of attention. Carol |


















