COLUMBUS, OH: Title IV may stop its trip through Convention
By Jim DeLa
June 18, 2006 [Episcopal News Service] The Legislative Committee on Canons will recommend that the proposed revisions to the Title IV disciplinary canon be referred to a task force to "complete and perfect this vital work" for consideration at the 2009 General Convention.
The proposal to revise the canon came from a task force created by General Convention in 2003. The resolution would have replaced the current court-oriented system with a multi-layered approach intended to focus on mediation and reconciliation. It also included a controversial provision that would subject certain lay leaders to the new canons.
After hearing significant concern about the proposal, particularly about subjecting laity to ecclesiastical discipline, the legislative committee attempted to rewrite the 30-page resolution to clarify issues. However, it quickly became apparent to committee members the revision could not be accomplished in time for this convention to act.
The current referral resolution makes note of the change in philosophy sought by the current task force, which is to move away from an adversarial model to one that encourages pastoral intervention as early as possible in the process. It charges a new task force to continue the work with a set of "critical goals, concerns and values" which will:
* reflect of the values and theology and ecclesiology of the church;
* move Title IV toward a reconciliation model for all appropriate circumstances;
* encourage the prompt resolution of conflicts in the Church, and the reconciliation of all persons involved in those conflicts, at the earliest appropriate and the most conducive level of the Church;
* consider the possible inclusion of certain lay persons in Title IV where their office or other leadership role makes inclusion appropriate, provided the treatment of their accountability and discipline is commensurate with their lay status, responsibility and commitments;
* maintain the historic canonical pastoral role and authority of bishops; and
* respect the roles, rights and integrity of those subject to the title; and of injured persons, parishes, missions and congregations and the church.
The committee will meet again June 19 at 7:30 a.m., but as of yet, the referral resolution is not on its posted agenda.
-- Jim DeLa is director of communications for the Diocese of Southwest Florida.
As of today, June 19, the following resolution was pending in the House of Deputies, according to Episcopal News Service: Resolution A153 Title: Proposed Title IV Revisions Topic: Canons Committee: Canons House of Initial Action: Deputies Proposer: Disciplinary Policy & Procedures Resolved, the House of Bishops concurring, That the 75th General Convention express its sincere and abiding appreciation and gratitude for the diligent, intensive, and dedicated work and leadership of the Task Force on Disciplinary Policies and Procedures ("Task Force I") since 2001, in the research, drafting, listening, and communicating of and about its work to develop a comprehensive revision to Title IV of the Church Canons, so that our Canons on discipline reflect our ecclesiology and theology; and be it further Resolved, That the 75th General Convention endorse the principles and values expressed in Task Force I's proposed new Canon IV.1: By virtue of our Baptismal Covenant, all members of this Church are called to holiness of life and accountability to one another. The Church and each Diocese shall support their members in their life in Christ and shall hold one another accountable as provided in this Title. and be it further Resolved, That the 75th General Convention acknowledge that the work of Task Force I requires further work, reflection, and perfection; and be it further Resolved, That Resolution A153 and the work of and documents from Task Force I be referred to a new Title IV Task Force ("Task Force II") of twelve persons comprising: three members appointed by Standing Commission on Constitution and Canons, three members appointed by Standing Commission on Ministry Development, and six other members, to include three members of Task Force I, jointly appointed by the President of the House of Deputies and the Presiding Bishop. Task Force II shall be charged to complete and perfect this vital work, continuing the focus on the following critical goals, concerns, and values:
1. Reflect the values, ecclesiology, and theology of the Church;
2. Move Title IV towards a reconciliation model for all appropriate circumstances;
3. Encourage the prompt resolution of conflicts in the Church and the reconciliation of persons involved in those conflicts at the earliest appropriate time and the lowest appropriate level of the Church;
4. Consider the possible inclusion of certain Lay Persons in Title IV whose office or other leadership role makes inclusion appropriate, provided the treatment of their accountability and discipline is commensurate with their lay status, responsibilities, and commitments;
5. Maintain the historic pastoral role and canonical authority of Bishops; and
6. Respect the roles, rights, and integrity of those persons subject to Title IV, and of injured persons, communities, Parishes, Missions, Congregations, and the Church. and be it further Resolved, That Task Force II meet during the next triennium, giving the Church due notice of its meetings; that it make available such periodic reports of its work as will best inform the Church of its activities; and that it make a final report, with a proposed Title IV revision along with explanatory and educational materials, to the 76th General Convention not later than January 1, 2009; and be it further Resolved, That the 75th General Convention consider a budget allocation of $60,000 for the implementation of this Resolution.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/19 21:56 Updated: 2006/6/19 21:59 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
It think it's fair to say that this measure is designed to discipline laity who speak out about perceived injustices committed by intolerant bishops and others in the Church. In other words, it's telling us to keep our mouths shut or face excommunication or some other disciplinary action. Speaking for myself: If I see that something's wrong, I am not going to hesitate to speak out against it! The amendment to Title IV should die a miserable death.
Cennydd |
| DTaylor | Posted: 2006/6/19 22:30 Updated: 2006/6/19 22:30 |
Quite a regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/8/28 From: Orange County New York Posts: 68 |
I think that being excommunicated from the Episcopal Church for being outspoken would be a blessing at this point,wouldn't it?
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| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/19 22:53 Updated: 2006/6/19 22:53 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/11/10 From: Posts: 1782 |
It certainly goes without saying that the church will look quite a bit different with another 3 or 4 years behind it.
Gagging the laity will not work. But it is interesting to see how the 'big thinkers' have a singularly big thorn in their flesh BECAUSE of the outspoken laity! Aside from the potential development of a really huge 'big brother' army of enforceers akin to a socialist state, I can assume this action will be disregarded with a 'get real!' attitude, or the laity themselves will simply disappear! This new provision avails them nothing! |
| unitarian | Posted: 2006/6/19 23:02 Updated: 2006/6/19 23:02 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/12/31 From: Bryn Mawr, PA Posts: 307 |
The only authority a church has is MORAL authority and the power of example. Coercion such as we see here is the last resort of those who have failed in every other way.
The great strength of the best of Christian Unitarianism (from which I graduated as a teen) was high moral seriousness and a willingness to search and think and argue about all the questions of theology. The great strength of orthodox Christianity is that it offers answers to some of those questions. ECUSA today is neither serious nor does it have answers. Boston Unitarian |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/19 23:10 Updated: 2006/6/19 23:11 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
DTaylor, yeah, it would! I guess I'll keep shooting my big mouth off....but in a genteel manner!
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| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/19 23:46 Updated: 2006/6/19 23:46 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/5/29 From: Posts: 869 |
"I think that being excommunicated from the Episcopal Church for being outspoken would be a blessing at this point,wouldn't it?"
Indeed. Apparently, when the papal bull "Exsurge Domine" was presented to Luther he read it then tossed it on a fire to the loud cheers of those present. The extent to which excommunication is a bad thing depends entirely on the character of those doing the excommunicating...! |
| Godislove | Posted: 2006/6/19 23:51 Updated: 2006/6/19 23:51 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/2/6 From: Posts: 221 |
Opinions are fine things, everyone ought to have one. But as someone who knows very well the authors of this proposed rewrite of Title 4, the numerous hours of dedicated work that has gone into it over the years, and the (gasp) actual text of the resolution, let me share with you the real story. The rewrite does two things. It changes from a prosecutorial court type of system to one of reconciliation and problem solving. The stories of the church spending literally millions of dollars for disputes in the current system are well known. Secondly, although demonized by the ignorant, the revision removes the exemption of lay church leaders from the disciplinary process. As Episcopalians know, there are indeed many lay leaders in the church, from the parish to the diocese. And although they are not exempt from abusing their power and running amok, they heretofore have been exempt from consequential action. This is a very good and valuable rewrite, postponed by the anxiety of the ignorant. A shame, but it happens.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/20 0:16 Updated: 2006/6/20 0:19 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
GiL, are you telling us that if a lay leader of the Church in one diocese, for example, knows of something going wrong in another diocese, and openly criticizes the leadership of that diocese and exposes the wrongdoing, he or she can be disciplined by the leadership of that diocese....even though that person doesn't live there? That's ridiculous! Just because that person may or may not hold a leadership position....such as that of a vestry member....that doesn't mean that he or she should keep quiet.
I serve on the Bishop's Committee here at St Alban's. Does this mean that I can't criticize Bishop Smith, of the Diocese of Connecticut....as I've done in the past.... because I don't like his tactics....without being excommunicated? I haven't lost my Freedom of Speech, and neither has anyone else, as far as I know! Yes, I have read all of the amendment to Title IV....and I don't like it one bit! If anyone votes for this amendment, they're a damned fool! Cennydd |
| Pamela | Posted: 2006/6/20 0:26 Updated: 2006/6/20 0:26 |
Not too shy to talk ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/5/12 From: Posts: 27 |
Give it a rest, Steve. We all know who's been "abusing their power and running amok" and it ain't the laity!
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| KievCaves | Posted: 2006/6/20 0:55 Updated: 2006/6/20 0:56 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/6/19 From: Posts: 82 |
Isn't it ironic how things can change. In 1990 when my wife and I married in the Episcopal Church, I remember very clearly being told by the priest who married us (he was rector of my wife's church) that he would excommunicate us if we ever opted for abortion ...
15 years later, ecusa's "holy spirit" (or whatever it is that guides them) has (apparently) done a 180. Whatever. |
| Godislove | Posted: 2006/6/20 1:08 Updated: 2006/6/20 1:08 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/2/6 From: Posts: 221 |
No, please try to listen and think. As a lay leader if you abuse your position of power, intimidating laity, inappropriate acts, that kind of thing, you should be subject to a system of corrections. Is that really so hard to understand?
++++++++++++++++++++++++ Poster: Cennydd Posted: 2006/6/19 21:16:28 GiL, are you telling us that if a lay leader of the Church in one diocese, for example, knows of something going wrong in another diocese, and openly criticizes the leadership of that diocese and exposes the wrongdoing, he or she can be disciplined by the leadership of that diocese....even though that person doesn't live there? That's ridiculous! Just because that person may or may not hold a leadership position....such as that of a vestry member....that doesn't mean that he or she should keep quiet. I serve on the Bishop's Committee here at St Alban's. Does this mean that I can't criticize Bishop Smith, of the Diocese of Connecticut....as I've done in the past.... because I don't like his tactics....without being excommunicated? I haven't lost my Freedom of Speech, and neither has anyone else, as far as I know! Yes, I have read all of the amendment to Title IV....and I don't like it one bit! If anyone votes for this amendment, they're a damned fool! |
| Liberty | Posted: 2006/6/20 1:24 Updated: 2006/6/20 1:27 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/3/6 From: Posts: 102 |
The meaning is that even the revisionists recognize that they must conserve limited dwindling resources. Revisionists want to bypass legal aggravation. There are only so many empty churches to be sold, and Trinity Wall St is not a limitless money tree. They view it as a kinder, gentler revisionism. Net result, the dollars bleeding away will not cease as Believers just walk away. Seems rather cost effective in a sick way.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/20 2:38 Updated: 2006/6/20 2:41 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
Gil, is it an abuse of my power as a Bishop's Committee member if I criticize the bishop of a diocese which is not my own for conduct unbecoming a member of the clergy? Is that considered an "abuse of power?" Or should I criticize that bishop as an ordinary layman? The way I see it, the amendment to Title IV is designed to muzzle criticism! Not just criticism by lay leaders, but ALL of the laity! Perhaps some canon lawyer can shed some light on this.
Cennydd |
| JimMcNeely | Posted: 2006/6/20 7:35 Updated: 2006/6/20 7:35 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/4/7 From: Posts: 697 |
"No, please try to listen and think."
Arrogant condescension... "As a lay leader if you abuse your position of power, intimidating laity, inappropriate acts, that kind of thing, you should be subject to a system of corrections. Is that really so hard to understand?" Not hard to understand, but apparently difficult for TEC to use. Please remind me...whatever happened to the valid and legal presentment against Smith in Connecticut for his abuse of power as a leader of the church? Don't listen to the word of TEC...watch their example. -Jim+ |
| quissum | Posted: 2006/6/20 12:29 Updated: 2006/6/20 12:29 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/2/18 From: Posts: 337 |
Who were/are the "Nicolaitans"?
“And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, ‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth." (Revelation 2: 12-16; also 2:6) Interestingly, the term means "conqueror(s) of the people (laity)" and has been taken by some interpreters (mostly anti-clerical protestants) as referring to the incipient growth within the early Christian communities of a spiritually "superior" (and corrupt) caste which set itself as mediators (therefore controlling) between God and His people. To be sure, the legitimate model of spiritual authority can be perverted from servant-leadership and shepherding to the arrogation of spiritual superiority and monarchic priestcraft. How true are the words of our Lord that 'when the Shepherd is struck down, the sheep are scattered.' Offices that were divinely ordained and apostolically confirmed for protection and nurture of the flock, when their Model is lost sight of, can become instruments of Satan to control and harrass even the Laity of God. God grant us wisdom and discernment! |




















