COLUMBUS, OH: Bishop Jefferts Schori talks to VirtueOnline
By Hans Zeiger
VirtueOnline Correspondent
www.virtueonline.org
COLUMBUS, OHIO (6/19/06)-VirtueOnline caught up Monday morning with the Rt. Rev. Katherine Jefferts Schori, Bishop of Nevada and Presiding Bishop-elect of the Episcopal Church. The previous afternoon Bishop Jefferts Schori became the first woman elected to the highest post of the 2.2 million member denomination and the first woman primate in the global Anglican Church's history.
It was around 7:30am this morning, and Jefferts Schori had arrived early to her meeting of the Ministry Committee in a back-hallway conference room. As I wandered the halls seeking out a meeting of the Social and Urban Affairs Committee, I stumbled into the room where stood the tall and dignified lady who will soon lead the Episcopal Church.
She was neatly dressed in elegant garb a bit more becoming a woman than the pomposities worn of most bishops at this concourse. Yet she wore not the apparent high of a victor having just headlined the top news of the world.
I approached her and introduced myself, congratulating her upon election. "Thank you," she said with a delicate smile in an air at once of magnanimity, grace, and the calculated smoothness becoming of a monarch.
I asked for an interview. "Quickly," she said. "I must get ready for my meeting."
I began by inquiring into her favorite Bible verse. "Isaiah 61," she replied. "I suppose that isn't a single verse, but it is my favorite." It is the mission of Christ, and it is the divine platform of social justice. The 75th General Convention of the Episcopal Church approved its budget priorities last week, placing "Justice and Peace" at the head of the list. "Justice and Peace" includes the eight Millennium Development Goals prepared by the United Nations, which aim to eradicate poverty and ensure universal education.
For as Isaiah declares, "The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, because the LORD has anointed me; He has sent me to bring glad tidings to the lowly, to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives and release to the prisoners."
It is a spirit that deeply inspires Katherine Jefferts Schori.
When I asked her favorite hymn, she told me, "Sweet, Sweet Spirit."
The hymn was written by Doris Akers, a popular Gospel choir leader and singer in the middle of the 20th Century.
There's a sweet sweet spirit in this place
And I know that it's the spirit of the Lord
There are sweet expressions on each face
And I know that it's the presence of the Lord
Sweet Holy Spirit Sweet heavenly dove
Stay right here with us
Filling us with your love
And for these blessings
We lift our hearts in praise (hearts in praise)
Without a doubt we'll know that we have been revived When we shall leave this place So I asked the Bishop of Nevada what the role of the Holy Spirit is in the 75th General Convention.
"To keep us on our toes," she said, "sometimes off center, sometimes to give us a sense of comfort, and to keep us aware that God is always doing a new thing. When we become confident that we are absolutely too certain, maybe it is time to be concerned."
There is, underlying the idea about the Holy Spirit that seems to predominate in the Episcopal Church-what classical Anglican writer Dr. Peter Toon has called the New Episcopal Church-a fervent relativism. Reality changes. Confidence in certain things is dangerous. Red flags must rise on the occasion of assurance.
It comes of an understanding of humanity and of the creation deeply impacted by the Darwinian theory of evolution. Mankind evolves, and so does truth, and so do the necessities of life.
Bishop Jefferts Schori is an evolutionist, not only in philosophy and theology, but in her training and career. She studied the evolution of squids and octopi as an oceanographer. And as a priest and bishop, Jefferts Schori affirms the changing nature of God's spirit in the creation.
I asked her about how her work in the theory of evolution impacts her theology of the Holy Spirit. "I believe in mystery and I believe God is always at work," she said. "Evolution is no problem for me. That's how I understand creation occurring."
To many clergy and laymen in Columbus this week, evolutionary theology means that Biblical truths are superceded by the higher truths of contemporary revelation. Homosexual conduct may not have been moral in the time of the Apostles, goes the reasoning. But surely it is moral today.
So Bishop Jefferts Schori went North on Front Street from the convention hall on Friday, just two days before her election, and turned left on Gay Street. She entered the doors of the historic Trinity Episcopal Church, founded in 1817 by the great presiding bishop Philander Chase. There she joined in a Eucharist sponsored by the homosexual lobby Integrity with over 1,000 gay and pro-gay Episcopalians.
So I asked her why she went. "I went to church," she said.
"And do you have second thoughts about having gone?" If she hadn't second thoughts, she might violate her own principle. She would be confident in a certain belief. So what did the Presiding Bishop-elect of the Episcopal Church say?
"I never have second thoughts about going to church."
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| warmac9999 | Posted: 2006/6/19 16:43 Updated: 2006/6/19 16:43 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/2/16 From: Posts: 1463 |
This reminds me of a bizarre dance.
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| Silly79 | Posted: 2006/6/19 16:45 Updated: 2006/6/19 16:45 |
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How do we know if the Holy Spirit utters something religious, then five minutes later utters something completely different, then again and again...I believe that this She Bishop elect wantabe is getting too set in her ways. It's time for the Holy Spirit to do something new...like blow in some orthodoxy or something like that...oh wait a minute he/she/it/oohhhmmm is telling me something different now since I'm evolving and the Holy Spirit is evolving....hey...I like this ride. I can do what I damn please.
Richard |
| spbarrett | Posted: 2006/6/19 16:55 Updated: 2006/6/19 16:55 |
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If there's ever a mantra for the morally-relativistic crowd Pope Benedict warned about before he became the Holy Father, it's Mrs. Schori's concern about her church members becoming "absolutely certain" about religious matters.
Think about that when she publicly recites the Nicene Creed, or the liturgy of the Eucharist. Will she in any way be certain then? If she's the best person the Episcopalians think is suitable for the job of their Presiding Bishop, well ... it'll just to go to show how far down the lavender lined path to hell they gone. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/19 17:17 Updated: 2006/6/19 17:17 |
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I have a friend, a liberal ECUSA priest, educated at Sewanee, who espouses the same sort of slip and slide spiritualism. It explains everything but explains nothing. It empowers you to sin and remain in sin while being impotent at calling you to repentance before forgiveness. It never calls you to live in the faith of our fathers (and church fathers...the Saints) once given. It cannot call you to lead a life "in the Spirit" because it precludes the work of the Holy Spirit by being based on the unforgivable side of sin...blaspheming against the Spirit. This approach passes out the warm fuzzies, I believe, as a prelude to the fires of hell.
He let slip to me once that his Old Testament prof at seminary stated on the first day of classes that he was an atheist. So this is the source. Our seminaries might as well hire Ward Churchill and probably will once the University of Colorado fires him. All of these people are products of apostate seminaries. After three years of intensive day after day indoctrination during which, if your written assignments fail to produce the athiest/heretic line you don't cross the finish line, our postulants' faith (assuming they were not chosen for seminary based on their demonstrated LACK of faith) is broken. She is (the PB elect) , I'm sure a product of the same system. In the case of ECUSA, I am sure, the horse is out of the barn. Those who remain in an attempt to close the barn door do so in vein. The formerly "good barn ECUSA" is empty. And over the barn door is written "Ichabod:" the Glory has departed. DAG |
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| polyphemos | Posted: 2006/6/19 17:21 Updated: 2006/6/19 17:21 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/6/29 From: και Θηος δη μεχανη Posts: 630 |
There is evolution in the history of God's people. There is also revelation. There is also hypocrisy, murder, temerity, sodomy, and theft.
One of these things is not like the others. Can you guess which? p |
| db4him | Posted: 2006/6/19 17:24 Updated: 2006/6/19 17:24 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/5/19 From: Posts: 425 |
A leader must espouse many if not all the ideas and traits an organization stands for. Only a practicing homosexual would have been a better choice to take TEC into the new frontier upon which it is embarking.
The Anglican Communion better cut cords with this bunch ASAP. |
| frcochran | Posted: 2006/6/19 17:48 Updated: 2006/6/19 17:48 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/6/28 From: Posts: 544 |
Somebody is telling a big ol' lie. It is either God or ECUSA. I'll put my trust in God.
John+ |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/19 18:09 Updated: 2006/6/19 18:11 |
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"There is, underlying the idea about the Holy Spirit that seems to predominate in the Episcopal Church-what classical Anglican writer Dr. Peter Toon has called the New Episcopal Church-a fervent relativism. Reality changes. Confidence in certain things is dangerous. Red flags must rise on the occasion of assurance."
******** A friend of mine used to say that reality is perception and for this woman how true that must seem in her spiritual blindness. Of course he too is spirituallu blind. "Truth evolves" he too used to claim and he was Bahai though formerly Anglican. Could we be witnessing the birth (in ECUSA) or continuation of the one world religion friends as permeated by these revisionists? BHTech |
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| Traveler | Posted: 2006/6/19 18:40 Updated: 2006/6/19 18:40 |
Not too shy to talk ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/2/9 From: Birmingham, Alabama Posts: 23 |
I can hear it now . . .
For the moment, I believe in God, The Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth and in Jesus Christ . . . ![]() |
| Godislove | Posted: 2006/6/19 19:16 Updated: 2006/6/19 19:22 |
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Again, it profoundly sad to see the many angry, confused people who do not personally know the spirit of God. I can't imagine the wooden sadness of such a life. But I do believe that the Holy Spirit is available to all who seek Him. And I do earnestly pray that all may find and be found by Him. What you see and hear in PB-Elect Schori is the real deal. She gets it. And so do the vast majority of Episcopalians. As did the overwhelming majority of the delegates who erupted into spontaneous joyous celebration yesterday. I can't imagine what it is like to watch that celebration with confusion and sadness. But keep trying. The joy of life with the Living God is not a gnostic secret. It is freely available for all.
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| ejsteele | Posted: 2006/6/19 19:46 Updated: 2006/6/19 19:48 |
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Thanks Gideon for posting the story. This brings much to light!
+EJ |
| Gideon_FL | Posted: 2006/6/19 19:49 Updated: 2006/6/19 19:52 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/8/25 From: SW FL Posts: 169 |
"Some people come into this world with affections ordered toward other people of the same gender and some people come into this world with affections directed at people of the other gender."
And other people come into this world with affections ordered toward alcohol or drug abuse, sex with children, violent crime, and so on. We must accept them and affirm their "affections" because Jesus would want, more than anything, for them to feel "included". It has been suggested by those on both sides that "it doesn't matter" who was elected PB. In a sense, nothing that happened in the past 2 weeks "matters". It's as if you've jumped off a very tall building with only pavement below. Today's news is that you've just passed the 50th floor. Of course, that doesn't really matter, does it? Faithfully, Gideon |
| Gideon_FL | Posted: 2006/6/19 19:57 Updated: 2006/6/19 19:59 |
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KJS: "The Bible does not have so much to teach us about what sorts of food to eat, what sorts of clothes to wear -- there are rules in the Bible about those that we don't observe today," she said.
Consider this: there is an evil one, Satan, who is in the world and is a Deceiver. This statement from your new PB is EXACTLY what the evil one wants you to believe about scripture. How you live your life is of no concern to the Creator of the Universe; sexual perversion is no different that a choice of t-shirt. "You will not certainly die," said the serpent. Faithfully, |
| ejsteele | Posted: 2006/6/19 20:01 Updated: 2006/6/19 20:01 |
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"The Bible tells us about how to treat other human beings, and that's certainly the great message of Jesus -- to include the unincluded."
The great message of Jesus is that the Kingdom of God is at hand, which means all must be ready. This is why John preached repentance, and why Jesus told those he included to "go and sin no more". +EJ |
| rossi | Posted: 2006/6/19 20:08 Updated: 2006/6/19 20:08 |
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Dear bp_steele I have just read it ,and I would like to congratulate all you guys,becouse,the Episcopal Church choose a so gifted woman, to be the first woman archbishop of the history of the
Christian Church.I think instead to transfer to St Lois, the HQ of the TEC,it should be in San Francisco,and her title should be Her Eviless the Matriarch of the Pagan Episcopal Church ; Archbishopess of San Francisco the new Sodom. But guys the situation of the Cof E isn't better, here we have the Welsh Druid(the head of the welsh gay Mafia) as the Her Majesty's High Priest. May God bless and protect us. Rossi |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/19 20:52 Updated: 2006/6/19 20:54 |
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Asked how she reconciled her position on homosexuality with specific passages in the Bible declaring sexual relations between men an abomination, Jefferts Schori said the Bible was written in a very different historical context by people asking different questions.
************* First of all thanks Gideon for posting. Now this woman is suppose to be educated and is making comments like this. Let's start. 1) People came up and asked Paul if homosexuality was ok in 33AD-67AD. Hmmmmmm....I wonder where in the Bible it says that. 2) Paul's response was what? It was wrong! its a sin! So if I read her right KJS is now saying that was the wrong answer to the wrong question. 3) What was the question then? "Paul is it ok for me a male to marry X also a male? I recognise this is not a homosexual relationship since the word homosexuality will not come into being until the 19th century." You people should be set to a monopoly jail and don't get out until you repent of your heretical ways of thinking. BHTech P.S. Sorry I could only think of the monopoly board game and its jail since I don't wish to use profane language. |
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| mathman | Posted: 2006/6/19 21:37 Updated: 2006/6/19 21:37 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/5/26 From: Rockville, MD Posts: 1064 |
If Drudge is on point on this issue, it is over. Throw away your Bibles. Throw away your Church History. Discard Hooker and all the old divines.
It is a new thing we have here. As someone quipped back in the '60's, "the new morality looks a lot like the old immorality". Mystery? Evolution? Truth evolves? Does Mystery evolve? Does Evolution (I guess I have to capitalize it now) evolve? Are there any doubts anymore? How about all of those benighted people who do not believe according to the new pantheistic religion of Sufi Rumi? Are they condemned? Are the old Trinitarians still welcome in TEC? Are those who accept the ancient creeds on the same mountain? Or do they have their own mountain? There is much to consider here. . . |
| ejsteele | Posted: 2006/6/19 22:22 Updated: 2006/6/19 22:22 |
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Rossi,
I'm not sure what you are congratulating me (or us) for. But just as a side note, beings as how you are on the other side of the Atlantic, there is a group in England called the Traditional Church of England (TCE), which is a continuing church that began in 2001 (although the original movement goes back to the mid-70's). It is very orthodox, and may be to your liking. As a bishop with the TCE, I can assure you that we are all praying for our orthodox brothers and sisters trapped in this mess called ECUSA. May God have mercy on us all. Peace and grace, +Ed Steele |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/20 12:36 Updated: 2006/6/20 12:36 |
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Hey Stevil,
Just how many people are you talking about with "the vast majority of Episcopalians"???? 100? 1,000? 10,000? You're pathetic. A third-rate art-house movie attracts more viewers each week than your sorry excuse for a "church". |
| DeaconC | Posted: 2006/6/20 12:56 Updated: 2006/6/20 12:56 |
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the divine platform of social justice As if that were the only thing for which Jesus came to be God with Us...If that were the case, he certainly would have ended the Roman occupation of Judea. How about a verse (or chapter in her case - women can't just say one thing...has to be a whole string of things) on holiness and fighting sin in the culture; How about protecting the innocent who are aborted in the hundreds of thousands each year in the us alone? How about returning to orthodox faith? hwo about "go and sin no more."? Not only is ECUSA now the Church of Sodom, it is also to be known henseforth as The Girly Church that is filled with a whole gaggle of Euro Weenie Wannabes and emasculated boys. Sorry to be so harsh, but it appears they have been educated way beyond their ability to believe... |
| frjude | Posted: 2006/6/20 14:56 Updated: 2006/6/20 14:56 |
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"I approached her and introduced myself, congratulating her upon election..."
"CONGRATULATIONS"??????????????????? |





















