Wow! Did +Rowan take a firm stand on this or what! On a serious note, +Rowan is doing his best at damage control, for he knows that the furor coming from this General Convention will cause irreparable damage. He never wanted the ship to sink on his watch, but his lack of commitment to the Catholic Faith, the Bible, and those who preceeded him in his venerable see has finally cost the entire AC much grief and turmoil.

More mush from a man without a spine. He has been insulted directly by the ecusa, and responds with nothing. Most who post here were hoping for action. There is really no choice left to the orthodox. Time to pull up stakes and go anywhere but the ecusa.

Wow. I'm underwhelmed.

Besides the inane and banal tone of the archbishop's letter, I'm surprised he praised her many "intellectual and pastoral gifts."

Isn't this a woman with no experience as a full-time rector?

Isn't this a woman in charge of a declining diocese in a fast growing state?

And, what exactly are Mrs. Jeffert-Schori's "intellectual gifts"?

I hope it's not just a list of academic degrees. She supposed to have those if she's even come within a whiff of a mention as a candidate for Presiding Bishop, much less elected. What I'm interested in, and I'm sure others are as well, is a paper trail.

Archbishop Williams is a gifted writer, no doubt. But it seems as if he's resorting to typical British understatement when a more forceful statement is necessary. Schori's election just threw sand in his crankcase and he's acting as if his car is ready zip down the highway.

It doesn't seem to make a lot of difference if the ABC approves or not if the ECUSA is no longer in the Anglican Communion. He just chooses an amicable route because of the inevitable severance.

Mr. Williams, whose side are you on??? Christ's sheep are being ravaged, torn limb from limb, scattered about like leaves in a hurricane, trampled upon, and wasted. Are you like the two-headed leader-sheep below, wondering just whom to follow?

Well, don't be so quick to condemn ++Rowan. He had to say something, didn't he? And this was about as tepid a statement he could have written (and we know he wrote it himself, and let it be known that it was different from the one he would have sent had the choice been different). Greetings, prayers, good wishes; she's nice and smart; she support the UN Millenium Goals. Nothing about her theological depth, or pastoral experience, or ability to bring divergent sorts together. No statement of confidence in her--or in the American church. But he did include a statement that in effect says, "this will worsen relations with the Communion and its primates, and will likewise doom discussions with the Orthodox and Roman Catholics." I'd hardly call that weak, given that he cannot--absolutely cannot--be seen as prejudging ECUSA before it uses its other middle finger in its Windsor resolutions, and before the Primates have had a chance to react. All in all, I'd say the orthodox should be cheered by this statement. I am.

I'm gobsmacked.

At this point in time the only thing that would have spoken louder was no comment at all, but that would have been uncouth and decidedly un-British.

"Impact" Primates' "Collegial Life"

Don't you just love the understatement?

"All in all, I'd say the orthodox should be cheered by this statement"

You might be correct - and probably are, but if he is going to be so, so.... "British", couldn't he be just a bit British like Winston Churchill?

Don

We are at a juncture in the life of Anglicanism when the time has come for each and everyone of us to stop spending our time responding to Virtue Online, Titusonenine, Ekklesia, AAC or any other website. It is time for us to call upon Rowan Williams to resign.

We need to acknowledge that different gifts are given to different people. In no way do I wish to challenge that Rowan Williams has unique gifts. But, one of his gifts is NOT leadership.

Chalice said "But, one of his gifts is NOT leadership"

Amen to that. Rowan Williams statement is one from a politician trying to thread carefully, but unsure where the mines in the heavily mined anglican communion are.

It is of zero significance.

God Bless

BHTech

The crucial test will come when the primates have had time to digest the results of General Convention's votes on issues pertaining to the Windsor Report and ECUSA's full compliance or non-compliance.

Cennydd

The difference dear Gander is (at the risk of sounding semi-crude) is Winston Churchill had a pair and they were brass! (In reference to your query why can't Williams be more British like Churchill.)

The crucial test will come when the primates have had time to digest the results of General Convention's votes on issues pertaining to the Windsor Report and ECUSA's full compliance or non-compliance.

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Let us not forget that the Windsor report was roundly condemned for its lack of specificity and candor in the face of crisis. Even if the ecusa actually said everything required to placate the Windsor report, the result would be meaningless drivel and we all know it. The question is no longer one of words, but of actions. So far, the only orthodox action of any consequence has been taken by the Diocese of Fort Worth.

I agree with Warmac - action is required at this point in time. ECUSA's response to the Windsor Report, if acceptable, will only drag this whole mess out longer. If they do repent for the consecration of Robinson, will there then be another report calling for repentance for electing a female Primate?

The fabric isn't just torn, it is ripped in two - and a few stiches won't mend it.

Ugh, yea, correct me if I am incorrect, but statements are supposed to say something, are they not? Don't people issue statements when they have something to say? You didn't say anything in this statement...yea...all you really did was wish her well. This is neither approval nor disapproval, and we are all looking for one of the other. Perhaps this is a good demonstration of Via-media, neither one way nor the other.

Yours in Christ,
jacob

"Her election will undoubtedly have an impact on the collegial life of the Anglican Primates"

Yes, Rowan, I believe your college just went co-ed. Does this affect dorm life? Shared bathrooms? What about the parties? Is it fair to take advantage of her if she gets smashed at group meetings? No more funny business with wet towels now, boys!

Is this tragedy or farce? Not so sure any more.

This seems a rather lukewarm rah-rah from His Grace the Most Reverend Take-No-Stand.

"It also brings into focus some continuing issues in several of our ecumenical dialogues".

You mean the ecumenical dialogues with the RC's and Eastern Orthodox that died with the actions of Frank, Gene, and co.? No hope of resurrecting those now, I'd say...

But, what difference does that sort of unity make when you can just plow ahead, be a ceremonial Unitarian, not care about the needs of the many, and promote sodomy?

Priorities, priorities...it's time for me to go take a shower.

In Christ,

Philippa

Matthew 5:44-45
But I [Jesus} say unto you, Love you enemied, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

The above verses do not apply to this situation. ++Williams and +-Schori are pretending to be followers of Jesus, the Christ (Mesiach). So, here I apply the following:

Matthew 18:15-17
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

It seems to me that we are well past the part about tell it unto the church. That is the vote on the resolution 1.10 at the last Lambeth meeting is being neglected by TEC. Thus, I do not pray for ++Williams or +-Schori or any other pretenders to the heritage of the work of Jesus for our salvation.

Sad.

It's a sad day when one wonders whether or not the local Kingdom Hall is more theologically sound than the ECUSA down the street.

This statement of Cantaur puts me in mind of a sci-fi novel of some years back. Humans meet with representatives of a truly alien race. They greet one another. The Ambassador of the other race says to his translator, "What did they say?" The translator replies, "nothing".
So the Ambassador instructs. "say nothing in return".
This is a ritual statement, containing no content, probably pre-written, and issued simply because one must be courteous. Even if the whole fabric has unraveled beyond the point of repair.

Thisis the same blabla again,the Her Majesty High
Prist(archdruid)and yor new Matriarch are tea bags of the same box.If he could he would nominate many queers as possible for the bishocrips in England.He is the head of the welsh gay mafia that took over the C of E.

"I send my greetings to Bishop Katharine and she has my prayers and good wishes as she takes up a deeply demanding position at a critical time"

I think Col Potter would respond, "This is hooh-hah!" More drivel from Canterbury.

Is anybody else reminded of the occasion of Chruchill's "Boneless Wonder" speech?