And so it begins...

I guess not everyone is as happy with the choice as the liberals would like to think.

That should be good for a few laughs from the gang at Lambeth Palace. What a wry sense of humor those wacky folks from Fr. Worth have!

Oh, shut up, you jerk! Your asinine remarks are disgusting!

Cennydd

Hey, GIL, you know what is even funnier? I went to one of the more active local ECUSA churches yesterday morning for a festival service. The church was beautiful, the vestments gorgeous and the music superb. The congregation was plenty diverse - the only problem was that less than half the church was filled and I counted about 5 people that appeared to be in their 20's. The ECUSA may be a big tent but it seems to be pretty empty.

I don't see how the defection of a whole diocese can be taken so lightly. Even if alternative oversight is not granted, it still sends the message that a lot of people are not happy. Are you suggesting that they should just be written off?

David, it looks like the exodus is about to begin! First, the Diocese of Fort Worth, probably San Joaquin....and who knows next? As the Confederate scout Harrison said in the film "Gettysburg," "It's the beginning!"

Cennydd

There are two groups within the ECUSA. One group follows Jesus Christ, who loves the sheep and is a good shepherd. The other group follows a tyrant, who holds in bondage all those who are tricked into following him until he devours the sheep and relishes their dismemeberment.

Those leaders of ours who follow the Good Shepherd are distinguished by traits of love of Scripture and a willingness to protct the flock. The leaders who follow him who devours are distinguished by a lust for power and money but will, in their turn, also be devoured by their leader. You must follow one or the other. Choose today whom it shall be.

God Bless Bishop IKER.

I only wish my own Bishop were courageous enough to do this. I hope this will light a fire under the rest of the Network Bishops.

I am so happy that Ft Worth got out in front of Lambeth on this too!!!

I imagine they are having to rewrite all the mealy mouthed speeches that were planned for today...

Duplicate post, sorry.

Cennydd,

Come on now, that is just Steve's way of trying to edify all of us. I must say, Steve is correct in much of what he says; however, I am sure he realizes, though I doubt he would admit, that Ft. Worth is an anomaly in ECUSA, and all would be happier if they split. Why not encourage Ft. Worth to leave in peace Steve, instead of throwing barbs?

Finally, what does primatial oversite mean? I am still amazed that this is the straw to break the camel's back. What hope was there left for the orthodox, or neo-cons as Steve would say? How many deals must one make with the devil? And all the while faithful, traditional, and orthodox Christians have been leaving in droves. Doesn't it make sense that "orthodox" bishops should have rejected ECUSA long ago?

Instead the waiting went on and on and on and still the orthodox bishops placed the godless ECUSA over the spiritual well-being of the faithful. Please Ft. Worth, San Joaquin, and Quincy, place the faithful above the unrepentant just this one time and leave the ECUSA. It will not be until then that the faithful will be able to grow spiritually once more.

John+

regarding GIL: the evil one has good reason to mock. If the orthodox bishops and dioceses in ECUSA still think that the ABC and the panel of reference are exercising Godly leadership in the communion and should be considered authoritative then they are as deluded as all the rest.

etagert: "I only wish my own Bishop were courageous enough to do this." When this passes for courage we have set our sights too low.

Faithfully,
Gideon

Leave the dead to bury the dead ...

Our God calls us to repentance and sacntification in His blessed Son. We are NOT of this world - as my Orthodox priest says "We don't belong here, and everything we believe, do, how we worship etc. needs to reflect that we are called to sanctification and holiness."

Is your church, its leaders, laity and witnesses calling you to repentance, growth in Christ and sanctification? This is the question all need to discern. ECUSA has merely substituted its own worldly dogma in the delusion that "their" (or that of a supposed enlightened few) vision represents God's kingdom. Only they've pushed out everything (including God) thats gotten in the way of what their vision.

Everyone must follow where God calls them, but don't cling to an empty entity -- like Peter walking out of the boat - trust in Christ -- He WILL pull you out of the raging sea.

In our Ascended Lord,
Andy

Truly an example of too little, way too late.

So let me get this straight: He is appealing for oversight under a Druid who is nearly(almost)-pro-sodomite as opposed to a pro-sodomite woman??? Give me a break.

IF he had done so in 2003 it might have made an impact on the governing body. Waiting until a woman was elected creates no ripple. It would be expected.

And what in the world did he (or any ECUSA clergy/laypeople) expect?? You ordain women - completely outside of orthodox catholic Christianity (otherwise known as THE FAITH or THE BODY or THE CHURCH) and you can bet your life on decline of Godly principles and standing against the corrupt culture and more of a socialist, political, relevant, mealy, milketoast religion that is now apostate due to the hereitics running the show...

The old adage stands so true - and spotlights the utter fear, cowardice and weakness in the face of clear heresy and Satanic attack : "He who stands for nothing, will fall for anything."

In my quality of Vicar General of the Diocese of Ruvuma and on behalf of the Rt. Rev. Maternus Dr.Kapinga diocesan Bishop of Ruvuma in the Anglican Churc of Tanzania we strongly and prayerfully support the Statement of the Diocese of Fort Worth,its Bishop and Standing Committee. We warmly pray the Lord Jesus Christ to give, his grace, to our faithful brothers and sisters in Fort Worth during this time of trouble, spiritual struggle and suffering.

The Very Revd. Claudio Bocca
Vicar General of the Diocese of Ruvuma and EOMI
in the Anglican Church of Tanzania
www.missioneanglicanainitalia.it

Sounds like the weight on the fence just got a little lighter? Let's hope the fence returns to its original position real soon. jj

It is time for the Network to STAND UP with all Common Cause partners and declare a New Province. The time is NOW !!! Not 3 days from now; not 3 weeks from now; not 3 months or 3 years from now. The Network is soon to loose ALL credibility if they fail to act. You can't spend a year calling people to "CHOOSE THIS DAY" and then turn around and fail to do precisely what they have been calling for. If the Network does not make a move and I mean SOON all their efforts to call faithful Anglican together will have been for naught.

It's true that none of us quite know how all of this will eventually shake out.

But, take heart, everyone: I'm reminded of an extremely courageous scene from the movie "Schindler's List"--the one where the young, bright, female engineer was telling Ralph Fiennes's evil Nazi character how something had to be done in the Krakow ghetto. The engineer was right in what she was saying about construction, but Fiennes didn't want to hear it and they got into an argument. His character, being a raging sociopath, bagged the argument and put a gun to her head. Right before he shot her, she still looked him evenly and directly in the eye and said, "You will NEVER win this"...and, the Germans did not.

In Christ,

Philippa

Congratulations Steve!!

Your side won the day yesterday didn't they? Again congratulations to you for having won the bloated corpse of a church, drifting like a rudderless, waterlogged turd in the ocean. Wow Steve, I'm really impressed!! Your agenda has worked so well in getting new members that All-Saints Cathedral in Milwaukee at yesterday's 10:00am Mass the attendence was 79. Steve ISN'T THAT AWESOME!! Think of it Steve, 79 whole people!!!

We'll see just who gets the last laugh you abrasive little punk.

God bless +Iker. The waiting and listening are over. There is no turning back, and if there were ever a time where pastoral oversight is needed it is now! ++Williams isn't going to volunteer that oversight, ++Williams doesn't want to make a decision; he will act only when his hand is forced. His hand is now forced. +Iker has the full weight of the Global South behind him. ++Williams must take notice and take care of our faithful, or he will see the AC slip away into the hands of the majority Global South. Make no mistake, there are 22 provinces ready to break with the AC. Choose THIS day!

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Uh oh...

I think that was the first cracking sounds of the timbers of TEC beginning to fall apart and collapse.

Bp. Iker is the first, but will hardly be the last diocese to request help.

Electing Schori was a brilliant decision that pushes the demise of TEC into fast forward.

-Jim+

Jim+ writes:

I think that was the first cracking sounds of the timbers of TEC beginning to fall apart and collapse.

Respectfully Father, didn't you hear those sounds starting 30 odd years ago?

Electing Schori was a brilliant decision that pushes the demise of TEC into fast forward.

AMEN!!

I consider myself and my family very blessed, because we are in the Diocese of Ft. Worth.

This appeal is for the future. The current reality is that eventually Bishop Iker++ will retire and we will have to search for a replacement. We will find our candidate send them to General Convention and they will be rejected because they are too orthodox. Some excuse will be found and a cannon will be enacted to let the Presiding Bishop select the replacement. We then will be stuck with someone believes The Bible is just a darn good book, worth a read every now and then.

My island will start to shrink as the priests that believe The Word and try to live their lives by it (whether they like what they read or not)are run off one by one.

My hope for the future now is that the ABC will respond by granting that this island can be rescued by another Primate. That's my hope, not my expectation.

I expect to have to leave the church I was baptized into, and take my children (who were baptized into it also) to a place rooted in Scripture.

The bottom line is are we going to be a church of this world or a church of The Kingdom of Heaven? We devalue the memories of those who died for the Truth when we spout off about earthly justice and equality instead of evangalism and bringing people to Christ.

The Diocese Fort Worth is vibrant and growing. We get new people in church every week. It's because we have a real story to tell and it's not just about people. Our story is the Word of God and not the watered down message of inclusivism.

This bit of news hardly squares with the happy talk that is coming out of the Episcopal News Service. I don't know if anyone has seen their convention daily this morning but in an article on Anglican Communion reaction they had a parade of Anglican Communion figures who were simply overjoyed at the election of the new Presiding Bishop. Of course the list included such luminaries as Andrew Hutchinson of Canada and the usual parade of Caribbean and Latin American lackeys who depend on the ECUSA teat for sustenance.

I imagine that many of the African and Asian primates are holding back until the end of the GC and the votes regarding the Windsor Report before venturing forth in this area. I actually believe that most of them will be far less troubled by the sex of the new Presiding Bishop than they will by her record and views. Many of the Africans have left the door open to the possibility of female priests and bishops even though they have not authorized them in their provinces. At previous Lambeth Conferences they have certainly been able to work with female bishops from other provinces. This presents a bit of an impediment within the Communion but I think it pales in comparison to the impediment created by the new-fangled views of Bishop Schori.

In many ways this was a stroke of genius on the part of the ECUSA bishops. Find a package of a person who has a distinctly unbiblical world view and is also a woman. Then when people complain about her beliefs that fly in the face of traditional Christian belief, you can accuse them of being sexists. I predict that the term "gynophobe" will gain equal footing with the old liberal standby "homophobe" during 2006.

It is wise to note that in most segments of the Anglican world, female clergy is an ongoing debate that has not been definitively decided. I don't think you can say the same thing about the gay agenda. While some provinces have sold their souls to the GLBT agenda, those who have not, are very unlikely to in the foreseeable future. Let us keep ourselves focused on the most troubling aspects of Bishop Schiori's upcoming tenure and not go off the deep end on the fact that she is a woman. There are plenty of other reasons not to be happy about her election besides that.

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Try 40 years ago along with the 1979 BCP. It accually started in the 60's or eariler with the liberal womens lib movments. The church started drifting then.

I wouldn't be bothered at all if she told us she was bi-sexual, but intended to stay with her marriage. I wouldn't care if she said she was a lesbian, but decided to leave her husband and be celibate. I don't have a single qualm about her being a woman. When we start talking about her views on the Bible and its place in our Christian lives I think there might be conflict.

Once again, though, I'm in the Diocese of Fort Worth so my present is secure. It's the future that is a problem. Even if Lambeth Palace laughs at the request I can still bring my Bible to church and be confident there will be someone there to study it with me. When I can't then I'll leave.

I'd be willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, but the House of Bishops has already shown its true colors. They're white, not for purity but because they've surrendered to culture and lifestyles of this world.

Brother,
In love I must suggest that you should be concerned by all of the things above. IMHO, it was the ordination of women which corrupted the Eucharistic wedding feast by placing a female in the the shoes ("in persona Christi") of Christ Himself to share the wedding table and Spiritually consumate the marriage of the Body of Christ to the Groom, Jesus. This corruption became the first "gay marriage" in the church, and therefore, was not and is not of God...not our God. Maybe...a god. Now that gay marriage is instituted at the Eucharist...how could gay marriage between members of the church not evolve. This was the slippery slope.

How could we have overlooked it ...and have been so irresponsible to our Lord? Well, if we had just not "thought about it"...but been obediant to the order established in the church by God and Scripture it would not have happened. But again, we had to partake of the Tree of Knowledge ourselves...take control ourselves and walk apart from God.

Lord Have Mercy, Christ Have Mercy, Lord Have Mercy!

DAG

PS: you see how cunnning the enemy is?

I'm not exactly sure what "cogratulations" are, but the winner is God, first, last and always. Whenever barriers between God and his children are broken down, God wins. The spontaneous jubilation of the Episcopal Convention yesterday was a church awash in the grace and love of God. And by the way, everyone is welcome to the great banquet. Remember, the Episcopal Church welcomes you, and you, and yes, even you!


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Poster: wxnut Posted: 2006/6/19 13:11:17

Cogratulations Steve!!

Your side won the day yesterday didn't they? Again congratulations to you for having won the bloated corpse of a church, drifting like a rudderless, waterlogged turd in the ocean. Wow Steve, I'm really impressed!! Your agenda has worked so well in getting new members that All-Saints Cathedral in Milwaukee at yesterday's 10:00am Mass the attendence was 79. Steve ISN'T THAT AWESOME!! Think of it Steve, 79 whole people!!!

We'll see just who gets the last laugh you abrasive little punk.

The Anglican Church of Canada lost 55% of its membership in about 40 years because of its extreme liberal policies. Its future is in doubt. The twists and turns of the ecusa will bring about the same type of decline - and we should see a membership in the 1.5 million range within a few years (even though it is my belief that the claim of 2.4 million current members is wildly inflated.) My estimate is that the ecusa will have an average Sunday attendance of under 500,000 by 2010.

The destructive aspects of the women's rights movement is in play here.

Well, you certainly speak with forked tongue, Fr. SteveisGodisLove, provoking the faithful to anger and sin, while celebrating the sinner in their sins.

Let's examine what I mean:

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True, God works in all our choices, good or bad, to His own ends.

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False, because this was a church rejoicing in freedom to sin, in bonds of affection thrown off, in absolution without confession and repentance, in having the cake and eating it too. Unlike the pharisees who at least tried to hold to the letter of the law, TEC/ECUSA has simply thrown off the law, in effect saying that they are Christ with the power to ignore God's Holy Word.

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True, but one must sell their wordly posessions to buy the pearl of great price. Perhaps that is what the faithful remnant ARE being called to do. I certainly intend to pray for guidance for the leaders of the faithful around the world in this dark moment.

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True, just as the Gates of Hell welcome 'all who enter here', with a wide path, and little hope of escape except through God's grace.

Get behind us, Satan - we do not need you here, twisting the Word of scripture to your own foul shape.

And remember that I pity you, in your state of sin.

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well, the ABC is not likely to want to help.
well, the Panel of Ref is not likely to help,
(staffed by the ABC folks)

but, note that Bishop Iker also appealed specifically to the primates of the Anglican Communion... that could be a different response.

I agree with you Chalice. I already sense, YET AGAIN, another deadline in the sand pushed out a bit further. Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. The laity tried going alone in 1979 with the continuing church movement and, alas, it’s splintered. The bishops need to do the leading this time. All the orthodox bishops talk about making a stand and say “if those revisionists do that just one more time…”and then the little theological brats do it again and the ortho bishops say again “if they do that just one more time…” If I disciplined my children like that they would be in prison by now!!

TTTTTHat’s all folks! Last one out of ECUSA, or whatever they call it this week, turn out the lights. I’ll be watching what our bishops and the ACN say, but I’m out checking non ECUSA options starting this Sunday. I don’t know about THEIR deadline but MINE is past, done, kaput, finis. This was the ballgame. IT IS FINISHED.

Now, let’s start our journey out of Egypt and hopefully using the same roadmap.

What say you ACN?

GIL Quote:
“And by the way, everyone is welcome to the great banquet.”

To GIL,

You seem to be confusing The Great Banquet with a pagan smorgasbord, my friend. Jesus has called this feast for all who have received redemption and have overcome or strive to overcome sins, not to revel in them.

Why does your view of God seem more like a big buddy you can hang out with, has no expectations of you other than to go with impulse? The God I worship has expectations of us that require us to not give in to our nature which is to rebel against him. Rebel against him…think about it…rebellion in that we don’t do what he asks of us for our own well being, not his.

I find many women other than my wife very attractive. Since that desire was hardwired in me is it OK to abandon my emotional commitment and give in to temptation? God told me that cheating on one’s spouse is wrong. Why is the notion of any moral accountability to God so onerous for you?

Again I quote: “The spontaneous jubilation of the Episcopal Convention yesterday was a church awash in the grace and love of God.”

Once again, my dear friend, do not confuse and equate jubilation at GC with God’s approval. Was Israel awash in the grace and love of God when Moses descended the mountain and found them worshipping, making sacrifice, to the Golden Calf?

I must admit GIL that my first thought was to just ignore you. But the more I think of it you seem like Anonymous who has posted elsewhere. There must be something that you are looking for here. Maybe on some level, deep down, harsh responses from others aside, there is a seed of recognition that your position is not honoring what God has in mind for you. If it is there, and I pray that it is, you seek him out because it’s in our hearts, not on this blog.

"This action is taken as a cooperative member of the Anglican Communion Network in light of the Windsor Report and its recommendation."
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Forget the Windsor report it's fire starter.
Call Hepworth and start the ball rolling with the ACA

Gander,
This picture made such an impression on me the first time you posted it. I copied it and have used it in some of my emails when sending ECUSA/TEC articles.

How appropriate for this. I was just getting ready to pm you and ask you to post it again. However, I decided to read just one more article before I did it.

What is the old saying, "A picture is worth a thousand words"?

Thank you
Carol

Carol:

Yet another example of a loving Providence.

I actually chopped and shopped that picture over a year ago out of a desperateness to communicate the affect of errant bishops on the flock. I often pray when a response to an article or post seems to be required, and in that particular case after prayer I was searching for pictures but decided to assemble my own.

It is a profane picture and I hate to post it at all but how does one illustrate the profanity of men without resorting to profanity in communication?

May God bless all in this difficult time.

Don

Shytech 74 has suggested that the Diocese of Fort Worth call Archbishop Hepworth of the Traditional Anglican Communion.
I am a priest within the TAC and have contacted Archbishop Hepworth asking him to extend an invitation to the three orthodox dioceses within ECUSA to become dioceses within the TAC.
The fact is that the orthodox within ECUSA have been banging their heads against a brick wall for many years. ECUSA is an heretical, apostate church, no longer within Catholicism. Surely the appointment of a "woman bishop" as primate should finally convince ECUSA's orthodox to get out of this faithless body and find the Anglican expression of the Catholic Faith within the Traditional Anglican Communion.
In particular, members of Forward in Faith North America, can no longer continue the pretence of upholding orthodox Anglicanism, now that ECUSA has made this deliberate appointment.
The Anglican Church of America will extend a warm welcome to any who seek to return to the 'faith once delivered'.

Blessings to all

RobertAus

Appealling to the ABC is pointless, for he has no power or authority to do anything.

What orthodox Episcopalians need is a universal Pastor who can act and speak as the final authority on doctrine and praxis, and can prevent fringe elements form corrupting the Faith in the (blasphemed) name of the Holy Spirit.

The Anglican Communion, sadly, has no such universal Pastor. But God has given us one, who has kept the Bride pure and united for 2000 years.

He is currently living in Rome.

Pax,

John

warmac9999 spake: "we should see a membership in the 1.5 million range within a few years (even though it is my belief that the claim of 2.4 million current members is wildly inflated.)"

I've read that 800,000 is a more realistic number. It'll be a fraction of that in a year or two.

Pax,

John

DOFW has made the request for oversight, which is a good and long overdue request.

But, the request was specifically made over the over the election of Schori...the women ordination issue.

The request was not stated to be over scriptural authority of what is Holy?

The request was not stated to be over the many ECUSA apostate teachings, actions, abandonment of Holy Scripture?

I truly wish the good Bishops would clarify that the REAL ISSUE is the good news gospel of Jesus Christ, and keeping the main thing the main thing.

Many of my fine friends here blame all of this on the women priests’ issue. We disagree on that.

The issue historically is the HOB, and the Bishops themselves...

The HOB was supposed to police itself, and remove any Heretical bishops that denied Jesus Christ, come in the flesh, or that brought a different gospel. The individual bishops were supposed to police the individual clergy, and depose any of them that denied Jesus Christ, come in the flesh. They have historically failed to do their job, and over the years, that allowed the revisionists to gain a majority in clergy and HOB… Now the conservative Bishops are the minority in the HOB, and can discipline no other bishops.

The HOB historically bought into the congeal-e-ality theory and historically refused to police themselves.

How can we now act surprised the whole bloody mess has congealed itself? Face it folks, the women priests had nothing, repeat nothing to do with that...

Even if Godly women were in the HOB as Bishops, and they enforced biblical Christian beliefs, then this mess would not have happened...

Perhaps we fought the wrong battle. While fighting over if the priests could be females,
We could have been fighting over whether or not those involved in screening potential folks for Holy Orders, seminarians in preparation for Holy Orders, and the Teachers at the Seminaries, and the mentoring Priests were even CHRISTIANS...

Instead, this type of appeal will be portrayed by the liberals as woman bashing, especially if the Anglican Primates refuse to recognize the female revisionist... This will be spread far and wide in the MSM (main stream media) as a women’s’ rights issue, and used to cast further doubt on the males and the church…

Instead of this tactic;
Thing how this would look if it was ALL the Network Bishops were appealing for oversight together because ECUSA has tolerated those who deny Jesus Christ and His Holy Scriptures...

From this sinners perspective,
That would be the better high moral ground to make a stand on...

Thank you Truthseekr!
That's right on the money.

jmichal wrote:

"The Anglican Communion, sadly, has no such universal Pastor. But God has given us one, who has kept the Bride pure and united for 2000 years.
He is currently living in Rome."

Yes, leaving aside the times when "he" (whichever Pope) has been whooping it up with mistresses, counting his money etc. Setting up false gods will not help in the current crisis.

Truthseekr,

Thanks for your words of wisdom, which go to the heart of the matter.

Issues like women's ordination, authority of the church and scripture, homosexuality, etc are important. But they are all subsidiary to the real issue which is the power and authority of Jesus Christ in all parts of our lives. Perhaps our obsession with certain issues has blinded us to what is of chief importance.

One more lesson to be learned from all of this.

Dear John (jmichal)

MichaelA said "Yes, leaving aside the times when "he" (whichever Pope) has been whooping it up with mistresses, counting his money etc. Setting up false gods will not help in the current crisis."

Please hold fast to your faith and do not be discouraged by the comments above even if they are only meant to poke light fun of Roman Catholics.

I heard Fr. Groshel on EWTN openly say "The Roman Catholic church would have collapsed a long time ago despite all the bad Popes, scandals, etc if it did not have the Holy Spirit". I truly believe it in my heart and you should too.

God Bless

BHTech

BHTech wrote:

"Please hold fast to your faith and do not be discouraged by the comments above even if they are only meant to poke light fun of Roman Catholics."

No I wasn't just "poking light fun". What JMichal wrote was:

"What orthodox Episcopalians need is a universal Pastor who can act and speak as the final authority on doctrine and praxis, and can prevent fringe elements form corrupting the Faith in the (blasphemed) name of the Holy Spirit.
The Anglican Communion, sadly, has no such universal Pastor. But God has given us one, who has kept the Bride pure and united for 2000 years."

That puts the personal lives of the Pope directly relevant to their claim to spiritual authority. You can run from this truth, but you can't hide forever.

GIL are you really a Christian?

"We could have been fighting over whether or not those involved in screening potential folks for Holy Orders, seminarians in preparation for Holy Orders, and the Teachers at the Seminaries, and the mentoring Priests were even CHRISTIANS..."

Truthseeker: Well said. This plague is through out the entire body. The adage that "He is a member of the club, therefore he must also believe" This rot is everywhere. Choose, follow Christ or Rt Rev Porkchop. Your choice?

Sola Fidi