GC2006 : ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND TO SCHORI ELECTION
ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND TO SCHORI ELECTION
By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
COLUMBUS: OH (6/18/2006) The Anglican Communion Network and Forward in Faith UK have issued statement concerning the Election of the Bishop of Nevada to be the 26th Presiding Bishop.
Wrote: Network Moderator Bishop Robert Duncan of Pittsburgh: "I want to assure Katharine Jefferts Schori, the Presiding Bishop Elect, of my prayers for her, for her husband Dick, and for their family, as Katherine assumes the impossible task now assigned to her."
"As to the implications for the Episcopal Church and for the Anglican Communion, in many ways the election speaks for itself. While many of us have supported women in holy orders, this election puts three Network dioceses within the Episcopal Church in an untenable situation.
"The same is true for one of the Convocations of the Network (Forward in Faith) and for countless orthodox souls in every part of our nation who have endured with us despite their pain in doing so. For the Anglican Communion worldwide, this election reveals the continuing insensitivity and disregard of the Episcopal Church for the present dynamics of our global fellowship. This election asserts once again that it is our autonomy and revolutionary character that is most dear to us. Any words the General Convention might speak about compliance with the Windsor Report will have to be read in light of this election.
"Many of us had prayed for clarity to come out of this 75th General Convention as regards the true intentions of the Episcopal Church vis a vis the Anglican Communion and the orthodox in North America. Sometimes, in God's permissive will, our prayers are answered in ways we had not anticipated.
"The Anglican Communion Network will continue to gather into fellowship and mission orthodox Anglicans from within the Episcopal Church, from the Common Cause Partnership and from the Continuing Anglican Churches in North America. The Network Dioceses will remain the dioceses they have been, constitutionally and legally, while at the same time assessing how to give ever more pastoral care and protection to those who have been shut out. The election of the 26th Presiding Bishop is a stunning development. Nevertheless, it remains our analysis that the decisive moment in contemporary Anglican history was the confirmation vote on the Bishop of New Hampshire in August of 2003, the consequences of which continue to unfold.
Forward in Faith international also reacted negatively to Bishop Schori's election with the following statement: "Forward in Faith UK views as deliberately provocative the election of a woman as Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church. At a time of crisis in the life of the Anglican Communion such an appointment can only exacerbate tensions and create further difficulties with our senior ecumenical partners," said The Reverend Dr. Geoffrey Kirk, FIF-UK spokesman.
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| MarkBrown | Posted: 2006/6/18 22:49 Updated: 2006/6/18 22:49 |
Just popping in   Joined: 2005/7/7 From: San Angelo, Texas Posts: 20 |
 Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPONDOur beloved Episcopal Church has just performed a beautiful swan dive into a swimming pool that contains no water. I think this is going to hurt.
Mark Brown San Angelo, Texas |
| PRNinDoFL | Posted: 2006/6/18 22:50 Updated: 2006/6/18 22:50 |
Just popping in  Joined: 2005/11/18 From: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 4 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Okay sports fans, ECUSA has officially scr*wed the pooch. Pictures at 11.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 22:51 Updated: 2006/6/18 22:57 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Drop the politics guys and speak your mind.
Be MEN! God Bless BHTech |
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| voxpop | Posted: 2006/6/18 22:56 Updated: 2006/6/18 22:56 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2005/8/18 From: Gaul Posts: 222 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Bishop Duncan will now be forced to choose between his new PB ("many of us have supported women in holy orders") and opponents of WO within the Network, such as FiFNA and AMiA.
Which way will he jump? |
| voxpop | Posted: 2006/6/18 22:57 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:06 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/8/18 From: Gaul Posts: 222 |
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| masonalex | Posted: 2006/6/18 22:57 Updated: 2006/6/18 22:57 |
Just popping in  Joined: 2006/6/15 From: Posts: 1 |
 Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPONDSo what happens next? As an average Episcopalian in the pew, I am at a loss to know what to expect.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:00 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:00 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND FLEE, DEAR MASONALEX, FLEE FOR YOUR LIFE - YOU AND YOUR SOUL ARE IN MORTAL AND EVERLASTING DANGER AND DEATH IF YOU STAY.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:02 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:02 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND The ECUSA/ECotHP has executed a beautiful swan dive into a pool with freshly poured concrete which will harden very shortly...
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:07 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:09 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Masonalex said "So what happens next? As an average Episcopalian in the pew, I am at a loss to know what to expect."
As JakobLeitr says flee. Find an Orthodox or Roman Catholic Church near to you. Go read Orthodox or RC web sites to see what the apologetics have to say in defense of their faith. If you can't accept it, then find an ultraconservative, Anglican church that is off the radar of its Bishop (assuming liberal) and pray for its survival. God Bless BHTech |
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:09 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:09 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/1/3 From: Posts: 3472 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Based on my eye-witness observation of Duncan's Ash Wednesday service at his own cathedral in Pittsburgh, he won't have the testicular fortitude (words chosen to avoid the webmaster's wrath) to do a blessed thing about this (ibid).
Duncan had two priestesses (she-bishops?) perform his "mass" and one gave a sermon about -- get this! -- the Pittsburgh Steelers football team and their Super Bowl victory. I kid thee not. ECUSA is now officially dead. Long live the Episcopagan Church! |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:10 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:10 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND voxpop asks which way will Bishop Duncan jump?
Just as I predicted weeks ago, as soon as Schori's name was announced as a candidate, that it would be her....I also made a prediction that Duncan would do nothing after General Convention... Well....read his own words..... The Network Dioceses will remain the dioceses they have been, constitutionally and legally, while at the same time assessing how to give ever more pastoral care and protection to those who have been shut out. So....nothing will change. You dioceses will be plagued by the same Bishops in your home states that are oppressing you now....HEAR THAT ALL SOULS IN THE DIOCESE OF FLORIDA????????? THE ACN HAS PROVIDED NO PROTECTION WHATSOEVER TO ANY PARISH....ASK THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT BY BISHOP HOWARD IN FLORIDA. ASK THE CONNECTICUT SIX WHAT KIND OF PROTECTION BISHOP DUNCAN AFFORDED THEM. AND MY OWN PARISH OF CHRIST CHURCH IN ST. MARYS, GA.....WHAT PROTECTION WILL YOU GIVE US WHEN BISHOP LOUTTIT COMES A' KNOCKIN'? NO WONDER MY PRIEST IS TREADING CAUTIOUSLY.....I WOULD TOO WITH ALL THE FAILED PROMISES OF DUNCAN. |
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:11 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:11 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/1/3 From: Posts: 3472 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Full disclosure: Brother BH is in fact, Roman Catholic.
 Look for a non-aligned Anglican parish, perhaps the Reformed Episcopal Church. There are many out there to choose from. But ECUSA is now suffering Brother Camping's (Family Radio) prophecy: the spiritual death of the local congregations. This is enough to turn me to pure Calvinistic predestination. ECUSA was on collision course and rather than take action, they increased to flank speed! |
| drcribbage | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:16 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:17 |
Not too shy to talk  Joined: 2006/3/3 From: Posts: 39 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Well, it had to happen -- and so soon after the gay bishop!
For one thing, it is politics as usual for ecusa. Also, the AMiA does NOT represent orthodoxy in the Continuing Churches: they allow women clergy, anyway. So, who cares what they think? I agree, however, that these two "responces" are just typical, politically correct doubletalk by the remaining cowards within the ever increasingly, off - the - wall ecusa! ecusa has become competely invalid as a church within the Body of Christ. It is forever a meaningless and ridiculous joke. |
| this_day | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:18 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:18 |
Just popping in Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Posts: 7 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Quote:
The Network Dioceses will remain the dioceses they have been, constitutionally and legally, while at the same time assessing how to give ever more pastoral care and protection to those who have been shut out. +Duncan's words seem to indicate that there will be no formal separation with ECUSA. How is that possible? |
| ICXCNIKA | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:22 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:22 |
Just can't stay away   Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 82 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Voxpop...you raised one of the main issues of the Network- the untouched sticking point of women's ordination. It is certainly time for +Duncan to take a stand once for all on this. Despite all of the biblical and theological reasons for rejecting WO, hasn't the slippery slope into perdition that stemmed from opening that pandora's box become blatantly obvious?
Masonalex...don't...I repeat DO NOT flee from the Anglican faith. I have had...and continue to have extensive exposure with the RC and you will find exactly the same things there as where you are...only more muted...er...maybe. Besides, unless you go to a Latin Mass the services are pitiful. Can't recommend the Orthodox either...been there done that. Can't recommend Reformed Episcopalians either...don't believe in the Eucharistic Real Presence. Work within your parish for orthodoxy, and if they are against that then search out for one that does. There is no time to waste. |
| dannyiseli | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:22 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:22 |
Not too shy to talk Joined: 2006/6/18 From: new jersey Posts: 38 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND If I were being ordained to the priesthood or epicopacy in ECUSA, I'd make sure my ordainers or consecrators were male and had a pedigree of male hands laid on them or else the rest of the Anglican Communion, not to mention Rome or Constantinople, will not regard the legitimacy of transmitted apostolic succession. And you can bet that the House of Bishops knew exactly that when they voted today. It's an in-your-face obscene political gesture to the Global South but a get-on-board signal to the Church of England. Just watch. Makes me want to rethink my pledge for the rest of the calendar year
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| dannyiseli | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:22 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:22 |
Not too shy to talk Joined: 2006/6/18 From: new jersey Posts: 38 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND If I were being ordained to the priesthood or epicopacy in ECUSA, I'd make sure my ordainers or consecrators were male and had a pedigree of male hands laid on them or else the rest of the Anglican Communion, not to mention Rome or Constantinople, will not regard the legitimacy of transmitted apostolic succession. And you can bet that the House of Bishops knew exactly that when they voted today. It's an in-your-face obscene political gesture to the Global South but a get-on-board signal to the Church of England. Just watch. Makes me want to rethink my pledge for the rest of the calendar year
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:22 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:22 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Not yet Joe, not yet, but I am on my way
 God Bless BHTech |
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| frcochran | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:24 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:24 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/6/28 From: Posts: 544 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND For all of you currently in the ECUSA and grieving,
I have been there and obviously my threshold for such pain is less than yours. Nevertheless, find a Continuing Church. Most likely it will be small, but you will find peace there unlike any parish in the ECUSA. I would laugh at this joke of a Church, the ECUSA, if it wasn't so sad. John+ |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:25 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:25 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND this_day said "Duncan's words seem to indicate that there will be no formal separation with ECUSA. How is that possible?"
It's called politics, like in our legistatures, and governments. I know if they believe in truth they will be men and eventually do the right thing. Only time will tell. God Bless BHTech |
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| ICXCNIKA | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:28 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:28 |
Just can't stay away Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 82 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND this_day said...+Duncan's words seem to indicate that there will be no formal separation with ECUSA. How is that possible?
It is possible that the Network could see itself in the position of having a Third Province as England's traditionalists are seeking. This GenConv's decisions, and the trajectory of ECUSA clearly point out the disaster of this choice. If the Network remains in ECUSA, irregardless of whether or not +Duncan and others never concelebrate with the rest of ECUSA, the fact remains that they are still of the same body. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:43 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:43 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND One other thing Masonalex in response to a minor comment made by Icxcnika. Church politics can be found everywhere since we are all human. We are not at church to survey the service but rather to commune with our father, although admittedely it is stimulating if the service is lively.
However, in the Orthodox or Roman churches at least you will not find them advocating for women bishops or pushing a homo agenda even if the priests themselves may have hidden agendas. God Bless BHTech |
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| TENTEX | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:44 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:49 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/1/25 From: Murfreesboro, TN St. Patrick's (CANA) Posts: 240 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND I can see here that several others of you doubt that any ACN diocese will do anything. I have been wrong before, but I believe that at least one diocese will pull out soon. Several others will then follow. ACN bishops must know that if they do not pull out soon, many parishes will go without them. They MUST know that they have 30 days, at most, in order to give their members a promise of a date for an exit plan. Otherwise, they too are done, just like ECUSA. Either way, please pray.
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| Philippa | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:48 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:48 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/8/28 From: Posts: 489 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Well, not only did they choose the token woman, they also chose the token liberal FemiNazi.
It is obvious that unity matters not to this people, what matters is more mean-spirited polarization. Neal has it right--a slap in the face to the Roman Catholics(forget that dialogue), the Orthodox, the Global South primates, etc. Not to mention, I also seriously question this person's experience and credentials--ordained for only 12 years and then you are PB? Never a rector, it looks like, and only a priest-in-charge for a couple of years? Go figure... The evil one likes disunity, so I can only imagine he is smiling on this one... God deliver us all... In Christ, Philippa |
| yaya2 | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:51 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:53 |
Not too shy to talk Joined: 2006/6/12 From: Arkansas Posts: 29 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND There is great peace and joy in the United Episcopal Church and the 1928 Prayer Book!
Why stay where we are not wanted? Get on with the business of worshiping God and living by the word that will continue to sustain us......the Holy Bible. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:56 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:59 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Masonalex, how many "average pew-sitters" do you know who have kept track of the events of the past few years....let's say three to thirty years? I'd venture to say that there are very few. Most people nowadays haven't got the foggiest idea of what the Episcopal Church is doing or has been doing outside the four walls of their local parish church! And a lot of them don't care, as long as the coffee's hot and the donuts are good at Coffee Hour! That's the plain and simple truth! And that's the problem....people just are not well-informed! And it's their own fault, and the fault of their clergy!
What's going to happen next, you ask? We may have some idea tomorrow, after the Archbishop of Canterbury issues his statement about the election of Katharine Jefferts Schori as the Presiding Bishop. Bishop Duncan and the other bishops of the Anglican Communion Network are keeping their cards close to their chests, in my opinion....and that's smart! My guess? In the long run, we'll have a new province in this country, but it's not going to happen overnight. Hang in there....we'll get what we want! Cennydd |
| ICXCNIKA | Posted: 2006/6/19 0:13 Updated: 2006/6/19 0:14 |
Just can't stay away Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 82 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Cennydd...thanks for another well thought post; much as you've done over the past year. I had a conversation with a fellow parishioner this morning at our Anglo-Catholic parish outside of Phila. We both mused over the obvious lack of knowledge of the goings-on in ECUSA, and a definite lack of urgency to take a stand. Some of us, along with our priest, have taken strong stances for Catholicism for years, but a MAJOR weakness for Anglo-Catholics is that they feel more attached to beautiful old buildings than the truths of the Gospel. This 'disease' must be overcome.
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| Gayle | Posted: 2006/6/19 0:22 Updated: 2006/6/19 0:22 |
Just popping in Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Posts: 11 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND I'm thinking about the Missouri Synod of the Lutheran church. I would prefer to remain Anglican but there's no alternative in my area. My diocese just got through electing a woman as suffragan so I have my doubts about their withdrawl from ECUSA. I cannot pray for Katharine S. as PB. I can pray that God have mercy on her for her apostacy, but that is it. I just can't do it.
I feel dirty being a member of the Episcopal church. I really wish that Duncan and Anderson and ever Kendall would realize how badly much of the laity is hurting right now. Not because of what HoB and HoD has done, but because we feel abandoned my the leadership.  |
| Silly79 | Posted: 2006/6/19 0:33 Updated: 2006/6/19 0:33 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND +DUNCAN SAID SOMETHING INTERESTING. HE IS STAYING IN TO GIVE PASTORAL CARE TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SHUT OUT. IS HE SAYING THAT ECUSA WILL NOT BE THROWN OUT OF THE COMMUNION? IS HE NOT HEEDING THE WORDS OF THE GLOBAL SOUTH PRIMATES FROM THE NOVEMBER ANGLICAN CONFERENCE IN PITTSBURGH? ++AKINOLA SAID GET OUT. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. I STRONGLY BELIEVE THE TORCH WILL BE GIVEN TO THE COMMON CAUSE PARTNERS (AMiA, APA, AND THE REC) THEY ARE THE ONLY ANGLICAN IDENTITY WHO TRULY HAVE ANGLICAN ORDERS AND HOLD TO THE FORMULARIES.
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| polyphemos | Posted: 2006/6/19 0:34 Updated: 2006/6/19 0:34 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/6/29 From: και Θηος δη μεχανη Posts: 630 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND I have to admit that the way Schori talked about her husband, that she was speaking of her FEMALE "life partner." This dishonesty of speech can only pervade her tenure as Presiding Bishop.
Regardless of her life status, the election of any person committed to breaking the Laws of God, the laws of science, and the time-honored traditions of mankind, will be broken, in the end. And the Church will be broken with her. That she is a female bishop is not a problem for me. That she is a stupid, senseless, broken paradigm is a problem for us all. I buried my father today. I hope to bury my mother in a Trinity Cathedral which is aligned with Anglican Christians committed to the love of Christ and not the lust of man. This tears it. p |
| Liberty | Posted: 2006/6/19 0:47 Updated: 2006/6/19 0:47 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND V.Gene Robinson had 1,000 people at his service glorifying homosexuality in the face of the enemy (Christians).
At the next General Convention, guess who will be the next Presiding Bishop if the "Lady" steps aside under the unbearable pressure. |
| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/19 0:53 Updated: 2006/6/19 1:05 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND ICXCNIKA
BHTech TENTEX ________________ I like what you all have to say. Rome is in trouble, as are the Orthodox - but along dissimilar lines. The faithful remnant will be raised up from scoured and scorched churches everywhere. We are betrayed! We are numb and in shock, but this will pass. Let not our anger overrule everything else, dear friends! Our glorious Lord has us all held in the palm of His hand! Israel was called out of Egypt. Our soverign Lord will be our rescue as well! We hold to scripture, do we? Then let scripture comfort us! Living Bible history is now a part of our CURRENT experience. Hold fast, pray, rejoice that our Lord's plan is culminating to climax! OUR LORD IS GOOD! I agree that our Apolostic succession has validity, and we must wait for the enjoin! Patience, all, in this mortifing time. |
| lkwells | Posted: 2006/6/19 0:57 Updated: 2006/6/19 0:57 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/2/19 From: Posts: 607 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND The two organizations can be depended on to issue high-sounding pronouncements, eloquent, elegant, and empty. Neither has any track record whatever for producing concrete results. (I say this with some chagrin, as I have a FIF "Orthodox Anglican" bumper sticker on my vehicle.) What happened today is no more momentous than the consecration of Barbara Harris around 20 years ago. Again, there will be much fuming and posturing, with little positive or productive action. Sorry, folks, but I have watched this soap opera to long to take it seriously any more.
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| Frcorny | Posted: 2006/6/19 1:28 Updated: 2006/6/19 1:28 |
Quite a regular  Joined: 2005/2/20 From: Holy Cross, Warrensburgh, NY Posts: 67 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND To any orthodox Anglo CAtholic pariashes out there:
I am going to take a shot in the dark and guess that the Rt. Reverend Jack Leo Iker, a true prince of the church and as orthodox as the millenia is long, will, after he catches his breath, open the Diocese of Fort Worth to any orthodox Anglo-catholic parishes outside his Diocese for his Episcopal oversight. If you are out there, and this happens, I would JUMP on it wikki wikki. If you are not a member of Forward in Faith, join it. Now. Check out the web site. The good Bishop Keith Ackerman may also be a possibility. He is president of FiF. They are orthodox. If your current CEO gives you any problem tell him the Holy Spirit told you to do it. That should cover it. It seems to cover anything and everything else. YIC |
| truelight | Posted: 2006/6/19 1:45 Updated: 2006/6/19 1:45 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND +Duncan's words seem to indicate that there will be no formal separation with ECUSA. How is that possible?
thats simple...for all intensive purposes the network has already been acknowledged by the Primates as the only authentic expression of anglicanism in the united states and at a few meetings Ducan has been sat with the Primates...and since we all know that the Church that is recognized by the Primates is the true church in America...the Liberals have left ECUSA |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/19 2:00 Updated: 2006/6/19 2:00 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Frcorny, I agree with you! The Diocese of San Joaquin is also a FiFNA diocese, and it wouldn't surprise me if we did the same.
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| gotc86 | Posted: 2006/6/19 2:01 Updated: 2006/6/19 2:01 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND My parish is Orthodox and part of Bishop Duncan's diocese. I will hang on to the end as long as my priest remains the faithful man he is. If he is removed and our church forced to comply with the revisionists, I will close the door behind me.
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| sentinel | Posted: 2006/6/19 2:06 Updated: 2006/6/19 2:06 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Quote:
Can't recommend Reformed Episcopalians either...don't believe in the Eucharistic Real Presence hmm... I'm sure that'd be news to the REC clergy I have spoken with. The REC fully accepts the view of the Lord's Supper expressed in Article 28 of the 39 Articles. |
| romeishome | Posted: 2006/6/19 2:09 Updated: 2006/6/19 2:09 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND God Bless you Polyphemos!
My prayers are with you, to say goodbye to your father on Father's Day must have been very difficult. VOL team, let us not get so caught up in ECUSA'a turmoil that we forget to pray for our friend Polyphemos and his family! |
| Frcorny | Posted: 2006/6/19 2:18 Updated: 2006/6/19 2:18 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND My deepest apologies, Cennydd. I fully realize the faith kept in your Diocese. The Anglican faith IS NOT DEAD in the US as long as our good Bishops defend that faith. It is time, however to share them. FiF just may be the vehicle.
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| Frcorny | Posted: 2006/6/19 2:25 Updated: 2006/6/19 2:25 |
Quite a regular Joined: 2005/2/20 From: Holy Cross, Warrensburgh, NY Posts: 67 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Let me be specific: when I refer to Orthodox and Anglo-catholic I mean churches that fully believe in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the elements (re: transubstantiation) and do not believe a woman can be a priest anymore than I can be a mother, no matter how called I am in the Spirit to "nurture" a baby, and no matter who lays hands on them.
Ya'll may love the Diocese of Pittsburgh and if you fit there, God bless you. However, if you share an orthodox, Anglo-catholic faith, see above. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/19 2:34 Updated: 2006/6/19 2:35 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Frcorny, no apologies needed from a faithful brother in Christ! This orthodox diocese will carry on Christ's work regardless of the cost! We are doing great things here, and one of those things is church-planting! The other is parish growth! My own mission church, St Alban's, has outgrown our facilities during the three years that my wife and I have been members. We are going to build a new campus on six acres purchased for us by the diocese, and we have petitioned for parish status. So you can see, Our Lord does do great and wondrous things!
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| john4woman | Posted: 2006/6/19 2:46 Updated: 2006/6/19 2:46 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND It breaks my heart to see my Church parade itself about like a decadent, painted tart!
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| Frcorny | Posted: 2006/6/19 2:51 Updated: 2006/6/19 2:51 |
Quite a regular Joined: 2005/2/20 From: Holy Cross, Warrensburgh, NY Posts: 67 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND God bless you and keep the faith. I got excited just reading about God's work in your church. I am currently at Holy Cross, Warrensburgh, New York (Albany) and we stand fully for the faith once delivered. God bless you and yours.
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| frjude | Posted: 2006/6/19 3:09 Updated: 2006/6/19 3:09 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/1/9 From: Heartland Posts: 280 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND "While many of us have supported women in holy orders, this election puts three Network dioceses within the Episcopal Church in an untenable situation..."
I think Bp Duncan will have to make some hard choices here. He can continue to ordain priestesses, or he can repent. The elephant in the room at Plano '03 is making himself heard. Which will it be, Bp Duncan? The Catholic faith, or Protestant revisionism? |
| this_day | Posted: 2006/6/19 3:25 Updated: 2006/6/19 3:25 |
Just popping in Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Posts: 7 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Quote:
+Duncan's words seem to indicate that there will be no formal separation with ECUSA. How is that possible? The Network begain separating years ago. +Duncan has been a beacon and represents hope for many of us. He has the support of the global south and he has acknowledgement from ++Williams that the Network is in full communion with the AC. ++Akinola was very clear at the Hope and a Future Conference as he asked the US bishops, "Are you Network or are you ECUSA?" No one can remain with one foot in ECUSA and one foot in the Network. I do trust +Duncan, I trust +Iker with my whole heart--I just hope they send a clear message fairly soon and stop the hemorrhaging of faithful parishioners. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/19 3:51 Updated: 2006/6/19 3:53 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND polyphemos wrote:
I buried my father today. I hope to bury my mother in a Trinity Cathedral which is aligned with Anglican Christians committed to the love of Christ and not the lust of man. My heart is broken for you, my friend. May the Peace of the Lord which passes all understanding be with you and your family during this darkest of times. OH LORD....WE KNOW YOUR HAND IS IN THIS.....WE KNOW YOU ARE THE LIFTER OF OUR HEADS. BUT THIS IS A HARD THING YOU DO !!!!!! IN RIGHTFULLY BREAKING ECUSA TO DUST....YOU BREAK OUR HEARTS AS WELL. MOLD US, SHAPE US INTO WORTHY VESSELS. AND PLEASE...I BEG YOU....GIVE POLYPHEMOS, OUR DEAR BROTHER, AND HIS FAMILY A DOUBLE PORTION OF YOUR BLESSING...FOR HE IS DOUBLY POURED OUT BEFORE YOU IN SORROW. THE DEATH OF HIS FATHER AND THE DEATH OF HIS CHURCH...MY HEART GRIEVES FOR HIM !!!!!! OH GOD...HOLY GOD......FORGIVE US FOR THE DEEDS WE HAVE DONE AND THE DEEDS WE HAVE LEFT UNDONE TO HAVE CAUSED YOU TO TAKE YOUR HAND AWAY FROM THIS CHURCH !!!!!!! THE LORD GIVETH....AND THE LORD TAKETH AWAY. BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD !!!!!! |
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/19 5:14 Updated: 2006/6/19 5:16 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Bishop Duncan didn't need to say that the Network wouldn't leave the Episcopal Church, because as we all know by now, THEY left US! My bishop, John-David Schofield, said the same thing! If Canterbury doesn't come down on our side....and I sincerely hope he does....what choice will the Network have but to align with Archbishop Akinola? I have an enormous amount of respect for this Godly archbishop, who doesn't pull his punches!
Cennydd |
| ahauber | Posted: 2006/6/19 6:41 Updated: 2006/6/19 6:41 |
Just can't stay away  Joined: 2006/3/5 From: Georgia Posts: 149 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Amen.
Our prayers are also with you, Poly. Andy |
| CalAggie | Posted: 2006/6/19 8:15 Updated: 2006/6/19 8:15 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2006/4/9 From: Davis, CA Posts: 156 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND I should ordain myself, and create my own church...
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| GiniO | Posted: 2006/6/19 9:13 Updated: 2006/6/19 9:13 |
Just popping in Joined: 2004/7/1 From: Posts: 13 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND One does not have to go far afield for a church that is truly Anglican, The Reformed Episcopal Church, will welcome all.
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| DnNeal | Posted: 2006/6/19 9:53 Updated: 2006/6/19 9:53 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/9/26 From: Tennessee Posts: 1302 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND polyphemos
"May his memory be eternal!" And may God grant you the peace that passes understanding. Neal |
| JRoss | Posted: 2006/6/19 10:35 Updated: 2006/6/19 10:35 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/3/15 From: New Jersey Posts: 896 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND """been there done that. Can't recommend Reformed Episcopalians either...don't believe in the Eucharistic Real Presence."""
One may revisit that as we do believe in the Real Presence in the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper. We do not believe in the physical change or transubstantiation of the elements. The 39 Articles of Religion support the condemnation of transubstantiation. |
| JRoss | Posted: 2006/6/19 10:40 Updated: 2006/6/19 10:40 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/15 From: New Jersey Posts: 896 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND """For all of you currently in the ECUSA and grieving,
I have been there and obviously my threshold for such pain is less than yours. Nevertheless, find a Continuing Church. Most likely it will be small, but you will find peace there unlike any parish in the ECUSA. I would laugh at this joke of a Church, the ECUSA, if it wasn't so sad. John+""' Fr Cochran echoes what we ex ECUSANs experience after worshiping in an Evangelical Bible driven and believing Continuing Church. There is peace like one has never experienced. |
| CATHROMANG | Posted: 2006/6/19 11:16 Updated: 2006/6/19 11:16 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/10/6 From: Posts: 264 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Fr Cochran echoes what we ex ECUSANs experience after worshiping in an Evangelical Bible driven and believing Continuing Church. There is peace like one has never experienced.
Agreed. Once you go into a real church you realize what you have been missing. The Episcopal "church" is nothing but a whore... I beg all of you still in to find peace and comfort in the Orthodox or Roman Catholic communities. |
| jleecbd | Posted: 2006/6/19 12:18 Updated: 2006/6/19 12:18 |
Not too shy to talk  Joined: 2004/11/13 From: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 28 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND Everyone will just stay put. You can hear the hand wringing in this message. In fact, the reaction is less strident than it was after Robinson. The fact is that the Enemy has struck right at the weakest point in this supposedly orthodox group known as the ACN. The AngloCatholics are too small and weak to do anything on their own (witness Jack Iker's somewhat toothless response), and the Evangelicals by and large don't care. After all, they support women in the priesthood.
The Global South? Will they do anything? Give me a break. You know, the Bosporus is quite warm at this time of the year. |
| David_Fine | Posted: 2006/6/19 12:46 Updated: 2006/6/19 12:46 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/29 From: Madison, WI Posts: 321 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND ICXCNIKA,
I used to also think it was important that a church believe in the Eucharistic Real Presence. Now, I have found a church that does not, but it does believe in the real atonement, the real Scriptures, the real presence of Christ in the believer in such a way that our lives are transformed. That trumps the real presence in the Eucharist for me. David |
| revdrrayj | Posted: 2006/6/19 12:56 Updated: 2006/6/19 12:56 |
Just popping in Joined: 2005/3/24 From: Posts: 2 |
 Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPONDI can promise you homosexuality, corruption, and ignorance are alive and well in the RC church! Went there after '03 and it was the same old prostitute just a different dress!
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| David_Fine | Posted: 2006/6/19 12:57 Updated: 2006/6/19 12:59 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/29 From: Madison, WI Posts: 321 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND My interpretation of the words of Bp. Duncan and other leaders of traditionalists is that there is some 'wise as serpents' positioning.
If they announce their separation now, there are terrible choices regarding pensions, buildings, property and other things. Of course, we could give it all away. But in those cases where the property and other benefits may be retained while still keeping one's soul intact, why not be 'wise as serpents' and a bit patient. Who wants to have self-righteously walked away from it all, only to have the real Anglican Coummunion say, soon afterwards, that in the realignment we are now the official Anglican Communion and could have retained our properties. How long do we wait? Will the Anglican Communion come through and declare that ECUSA has walked away and de facto sent 'regrets' for any invitation they would have had to the next Lambeth Conference? If Duncan and other orthodox leaders move too fast, they may not be making as wise a choice as if they move more slowly. ECUSA seems to be making it more likely my dreaming scenario might actually happen. |
| polyphemos | Posted: 2006/6/19 16:44 Updated: 2006/6/19 17:06 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/6/29 From: και Θηος δη μεχανη Posts: 630 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND First of all, let me say that I am deeply touched by all who responded to my sad little addendum to my message. Please understand that I really don't have the strength to repond to each of you, personally. It's all I can do to keep a strong face for my mother. My wife and I have decided that I should go back to teaching which means I need to be where the University. This is also where my mother lives and I will continue to stay at her luxurious digs 'til I can get into the certification program and find a teaching job and a small apartment. This helps our joint grief, somehow.
That said, I want to say something else: I see several types of Episcopalians at this moment in Church history.. 1. Those who actually believe that this election will cover their sin with an increasing sanctity. 2. Those who are cynically using this event as an ever-increasing political effort to normalyze their sin throughout the country and increase legal punishment for those who speak against it. 3. Those who, from the beginning, have separated themselves from the Church to found or join another Church where the polity of androarchy is supreme - there is no sin here, but "it hath the nature of sin." 4. Those who have recently joined a "continuing" Church where the polity allows equality but eschews sin. 5. Those who have simply fallen away, being discouraged of all organized religion. 6. Those who have stayed, either for lack of interest or because they "like a good fight." 7. And finally, those of us who have a bishop who is dedicated to the glory, sacrifice, and redemption of Jesus in person-hood with the Holy Trinity and will not follow the stupidity of the national church. Unfortunately, none of these are acceptible to Daisy and me. You may, for now, put us in category 7. But eventually, we, the Upper diocese, will have to become like the "Lower" diocese, insisting on our independence while joining with 815 for secular mission (which is all they can offer to anyone, now) and eventually joining with England if they come to their senses, or the Southern Cone if they do not. Yet my fear is greater still: That the only serpent we can be as wise as is Monty Python. p & D |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/19 19:15 Updated: 2006/6/19 19:15 |
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The REC fully accepts the view of the Lord's Supper expressed in Article 28 of the 39 Articles. That is, they sit firmly on the fence, as Anglican churches always have. |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/19 19:29 Updated: 2006/6/19 19:29 |
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Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND And category 8 - those who see the situation on June 19, 2006 as no different from June 1. No change was made in electing a female presiding bishop, that was not made by consecrating a female bishop, that was not made by ordaining a woman. And no change was made by electing a liberal presiding bishop, obviously.
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| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/20 3:32 Updated: 2006/6/20 3:32 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/5/29 From: Posts: 869 |
Re: ANGLICAN COMMUNION NETWORK AND FORWARD IN FAITH RESPOND "Quote:
The REC fully accepts the view of the Lord's Supper expressed in Article 28 of the 39 Articles. That is, they sit firmly on the fence, as Anglican churches always have." If the Lord sits on the fence, I'll sit there too. If he is on one side of it, that's where I go. And if he says a particular fence is not important, then I'll ignore it! |
