GC2006 : ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE AT GLOBAL SOUTH
ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE AT GLOBAL SOUTH
News Analysis
By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
COLUMBUS, OH (6/18/2006)--The election of the Rt. Rev. Katherine Jefferts Schori, 52, the ninth Bishop of Nevada to be the 26th Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, is a major league slap in the face at the Global South primates and bishops, most of whom do not even endorse women to the priesthood let alone to the episcopacy, and now they will have to contend with a woman ECUSA Presiding Bishop/Primate. Her election also goes against the spirit and intent of the Windsor Report.
To say this is a shock to the system doesn't touch it. A youth delegate to the House of Deputies, on hearing the news said, "If they are not ready, we are."
The voting was: Schori 95 (the minimum number needed), Henry Parsley, 82; Charles Jenkins 3, Stacy Sauls "the stripper" wannabe bishop got 0 as did Ted Gulick. Schori has never been the rector of a church, though she has been assistant rector at the Episcopal Church of the Good Samaritan in Corvallis, Oregon. She holds a Ph.D. in oceanography.
If the Anglican Communion wanted clarity, a word much bandied about here at this convention, they got it, in spades. Said an Anglican priest in the UK who phoned VOL on hearing the news; "The Episcopal Church just committed suicide."
Canon theologian Kendall Harmon from the Diocese of South Carolina said, "This is a shrinking (Episcopal) church and she (Schori) is in a booming state, and her diocese is not growing."
The Roman Catholic Church will not accept her, the great Orthodox churches of the East and West will not acknowledge her episcopacy and there are rumblings that the three Anglo-Catholic dioceses in the ECUSA - Quincy, Ft. Worth and San Joaquin - might pull out of The Episcopal Church. We shall see.
A spokesman for the American Anglican Council issued a statement saying, "We are grateful for the clarity that this vote demonstrates, sadly because Bishop Schori is against everything that Windsor is for."
Schori voted for the election of V. Gene Robinson, the openly homoerotic Bishop of New Hampshire (though she did not attend his consecration) and she supports same sex blessings.
Said the AAC spokesman; "She will bring into sharp relief the difference between being an Episcopalian and being an Anglican. It is not clear how she can do anything other than lead The Episcopal Church in walking apart from the rest of the Communion."
In her acceptance speech she said she was "awed and honored and privileged" at being elected and she hoped that her brother bishops will be blessed for their gifts and be strengthened. Schori said she gave "abiding thanks" for Frank Griswold and hoped he would "stay healthy." And that his gifts would be shared with the world. "May this great and greatly blessed church of ours be the vehicle and leader in building the reign of God in our day," she said.
Ready, ECUSA might be, but the consequences of her election will be history making and catastrophic.
As one orthodox bishop noted, "this is the best thing to have happened. We now have complete clarity. We now know what the church stands for and where it is going. W should be grateful that clarity is complete. We will send the end of the church."
James Rosenthal, ACNS News Director, said the Archbishop of Canterbury will issue a statement tomorrow. VOL will post it immediately.
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| ICXCNIKA | Posted: 2006/6/18 20:41 Updated: 2006/6/18 20:42 |
Just can't stay away   Joined: 2006/6/18 From: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 82 |
 Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE AAs one orthodox bishop noted, "this is the best thing to have happened. We now have complete clarity. We now know what the church stands and where it is going...
Not to be cynical, but there wasn't clarity after 1976 or 2003? It seems amazing that the traditionalists of ECUSA need so many 'signals' as to where their church stands. Anyway, good report by David, and one that clearly points out how twisted and non-Christian the agenda of ECUSA is. Not only is Schori inexperienced, but she was also the first woman ever nominated for the position! FiF and ACN, may the Holy Spirit...which isn't dictated by GenConv...give us the strength and courage to move forward, and be willing to sacrifice whatever is necessary for the Kingdom. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 20:47 Updated: 2006/6/18 20:48 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A To say this is a shock to the system doesn't touch it. A youth delegate to the House of Deputies, on hearing the news said, "If they are not ready, we are."
YES !!!! YES !!!!! YES !!!!!!SCREW THE OLD FROZEN CHOSEN ORTHODOX THAT HAVE LET THE WOLVES DEVOUR THE CHURCH FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS !!!!! THE YOUTH ARE SAYING... "LET'S ROLL !!" |
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| john4woman | Posted: 2006/6/18 20:47 Updated: 2006/6/18 20:47 |
Just can't stay away  Joined: 2006/5/28 From: california Posts: 104 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A I repeat: Hmmmmm...Sending a member of a certifed victim class out to the front battle lines...Now where have I read about THAT in the news recently?
Game over. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 20:55 Updated: 2006/6/19 0:07 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A Peter Sellers has left the building. Selah.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:06 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:12 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A The Episcopal Church just committed suicide....BIG time, and the poor damned deluded fools who fell for the bait just swallowed it....hook, line, and sinker! I really feel sorry for those poor lost fools who have their heads buried in the sand! I actually and in all sincerity really do! I hope they get out while the getting is good!
I have a pretty good idea of where my diocese is heading, but I won't say anything for the time being. That's for my bishop to decide. Where my bishop goes, I go....as I said before! Cennydd |
| bpcranmer | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:13 Updated: 2006/7/7 16:18 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2006/4/14 From: PA Posts: 154 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP "Not to be cynical, but there wasn't clarity after 1976 or 2003? It seems amazing that the traditionalists of ECUSA need so many 'signals' as to where their church stands."
This poster has exactly captured the matter. It seems to me that the interest with General Convention has little to do with hoping for or expecting ECUSA to act like Christ's church and a whole lot more the kind of fascination that the public shows when driving by a car accident.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:19 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:19 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A I find particularly disturbing this "news analysis"'s headline.
As far as we know, there has not been a single official reaction from those associated with the "global south" thing, and no matter how much may this website's owner drool over the idea of a declaration from anyone, anyone in "the global south", it simply won't happen until the "global south" leaders get their marching orders from Dallas USA. Using "the global south" charade as a cover to air the ultra conservative's frustration is oportunistic, misguided and nears the racist. The have been women priests in churches around the communion for long enough. Anyone complaining about Jefferts Schori's election either lacks any basic historical awareness or is simply too narrow minded to even acccept it. Unless you argue that it's just that the kind of people this site most fervently caters to...  |
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| louise | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:19 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:19 |
Not too shy to talk   Joined: 2006/2/7 From: Posts: 22 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A I have a pretty good idea of where my diocese is heading, but I won't say anything for the time being. That's for my bishop to decide. Where my bishop goes, I go....as I said before.
Cennydd ------------------------------------- Cennydd: I wish I had a pretty good idea of where my bishop is heading, but I truly don't. He is not one to swim against the current and believes in what I call, eternal dialogue. Yet, he may fool me so I will wait until our diocese hears from him louise |
| Zonaras | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:21 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:23 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/9/30 From: Posts: 217 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A David notes, "[Katharine Schori]...holds a Ph.D. in oceanography." If the official bio he posted is right, he is in error. In the official bio posted
earlier today, it is note that Schori..."received a BS in biology from Stanford University from Stanford University in 1974, and MS in oceanography from Oregon State University, 1983, a MDiv from CDSP, 1994, and a honorary doctor of divinity from CDSP, 2001." She is married and has a daughter. At least she is not gay like some of the other candidates were. Will she make a good PB? If the conservatives are to be believed, no, because her gender rules her out. How will other primates deal with Her; let's see what the ABC has to say tomorrow. I'm going to be cautious and give her the benefit of the doubt. Is she liberal? Perhaps, I don't know enough about her to know. She might be a middle of the roader and I could live with that. If she drives both liberals and conservatives nuts over the next 9 years, she will probably be doing her job correctly. I use the word conservative when dealing with what Fr. Toon calls the TER because the term Orthodox does not apply. The term Orthodox and Anglican are a contradiction in terms. Only the Eastern Orthodox Church, which developed the word, have a right to use the word, in my opinion. I suspect no candidate would have satisfied the right wing of ECUSA except a reincarnation of Archbishop Cranmer! Despite all the nay-saying on here, I hope she turns out to be a good PB or at least better than Griswald. Time will tell. |
| CRIDER | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:27 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:27 |
Just popping in  Joined: 2006/5/7 From: Posts: 7 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A Back in the 1700's a man by the name of John Wesley came along. The Church of England didn't like him very much, but over the years his message caused some renewal in the Church of England, as well as the establishment of Methodism. Both churches need another Wesley to come by. By The Grace of God perhaps one will come by, or perhaps Our Lord will tire of the entire lot.
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| JRoss | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:31 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:46 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/3/15 From: New Jersey Posts: 896 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A """Said the AAC spokesman; "She will bring into sharp relief the difference between being an Episcopalian and being an Anglican. It is not clear how she can do anything other than lead The Episcopal Church in walking apart from the rest of the Communion."""'
I would bet that the pew sitters haven't a clue and could care less what the difference is between an Anglican and an Episcopagan is as long as there are coffee and donuts after worship. However this will take care of any ARCIC movement, or dialogue with real Christ following denominations. |
| JRoss | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:35 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:35 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/15 From: New Jersey Posts: 896 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A """I suspect no candidate would have satisfied the right wing of ECUSA except a reincarnation of Archbishop Cranmer!"""
Now you're talking!!!! I mean, the man stuck his hand in the fire first! Gene should stick in his whatzis. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:36 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:36 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A whm332 wrote I presume the "Let's roll!" quote refers to the passenger of Flight 93 who led the charge to crash the plane into the Diocese of Pittsburgh on 9/11. That's brilliant, really. Beware of casting such pearls before swine like me, my dear.
You just picked the wrong person to verbally spar with whm332, "my dear". By the way nice picture of yourself...reminds me of Pat the always-gender-in-question character on Saturday Night Live. Kinda like ECUSA as well. |
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| AlMarsh | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:36 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:37 |
Not too shy to talk  Joined: 2005/9/11 From: In exile Posts: 38 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A Sure, CRIDER, John Wesley came along. The divisions caused by his schismatic actions are still with us. Perhaps this is the precedent which ECUSA has in mind whenever it holds a General Convention?
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| wooly | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:44 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:44 |
Not too shy to talk Joined: 2005/2/3 From: Posts: 29 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A That rumor has it that ONLY three diocesan bishops are probably on the verge of taking their dioceses out of ECUSA is the most 'unbelievable' thing of all. "Don't put off till tomorrow what you can do today," is commonly said. You people who BELIEVE GOD, who say you love Him and obey His Word, how long do you put off doing what you should have done "yesterday?" Christian children are taught that 'obedience' which is not PROMPT is disobedience. What are Bishops and clergy and members of the church taught? Fiction is hardly ever as fantastic as this present 'reality.'
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| JRoss | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:44 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:44 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/15 From: New Jersey Posts: 896 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A """The have been women priests in churches around the communion for long enough. Anyone complaining about Jefferts Schori's election either lacks any basic historical awareness or is simply too narrow minded to even acccept it.
Unless you argue that it's just that the kind of people this site most fervently caters to...""' In case you haven't noticed, since the ordination of females, and homoerotics, the episcopagan church has NOT grown as Christ instructed us to grow it from that little flame. So you are right in "they have been around long enough" to demonstrate their ineffectiveness in growing Christ's Church. Also, you may have or not have noticed, VOL is the Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism, not the psuedo "Everyvoice but conservative Network" |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:44 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:45 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A As one orthodox bishop noted, "this is the best thing to have happened. We now have complete clarity. We now know what the church stands and where it is going. W should be grateful that clarity is complete. We will send the end of the church."
YES !!! YES !!!! THE SCALES ARE FINALLY FALLING OFF THE EYES OF THE ORTHODOX !!!! 40 YEARS IN THE MAKING....BUT HEY....BETTER LATE THAN NEVER !!!! |
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| Chasidn | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:47 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:47 |
Just popping in Joined: 2004/2/23 From: Posts: 2 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A Yeats prophesied once, with the world going to a war to 'end all wars' no matter the cost in lives, that the falcon cannot hear the falconer, and the center cannot hold.
Today the convention of the ECUSA elects a presiding bishop who pledges a multiform church, at least within the geographical bounds and liberal straitjacket of the United States, with no integral tie to tradition and a centrifugal reason. Storm clouds sit on the horizon. Gulley washers have cleared old and large parishes and whole dioceses. And now the waters shall continue to swirl, though in a tightening circle, as the gravity of the situation exerts its inevitable clockwise effect. It is the natural plumbing of the history of the people of the book of God, but it will be a cleansing flush. Do the lights in the house of my father turn out automatically? |
| thesteward | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:51 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:53 |
Not too shy to talk  Joined: 2004/1/14 From: Diocese of Central Florida Posts: 30 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A The indictment against Schori is not her sex, it is her belief. That she is a woman is not a slap to the Global South, and I part ways with Mr. Virtue on this. What is a slap (to all of us that constitute Christendom) is Schori's support of things that clearly contradict what Christ himself taught, what Scripture has recorded and what many faithful men and women over thousands of years and countless countries have reached an intelligent consensus on.
I know it is hard to be charitable at a time like this, when the thing we love dearly has been damaged beyond repair. But it would be wise to think about how Christ himself would address these matters, and even his personal enemies. Doubtless, there are countless people who will read these blogs and our words in the coming days. I would rather they see the strengths and wisdom of the orthodox, and less of our anger (and vitriol at this website.) |
| TENTEX | Posted: 2006/6/18 21:55 Updated: 2006/6/18 21:55 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/1/25 From: Murfreesboro, TN St. Patrick's (CANA) Posts: 240 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A As someone said in this article, this election today may be the best possible outcome. Finally, more people in ECUSA will now understand that their church is truly dead, and be able to move on without it. There is now NO Anglican province in this country, except for the Network. ECUSA is history, toast, gone, finished, done, has-been, once was, less than nothing. But, the real Church lives on, as does her Lord. AMEN!!!
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| lookingup | Posted: 2006/6/18 22:00 Updated: 2006/6/18 22:00 |
Just can't stay away Joined: 2006/2/4 From: USA Posts: 94 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A More than a slap in the face of the Global South....a slap in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ!
Wake up! Wake up! The Bridegroom cometh. Turn, run, and don't look back! |
| Damascus | Posted: 2006/6/18 22:12 Updated: 2006/6/18 22:12 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/9/26 From: Republic of Karelia Posts: 640 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A I understand that just like her predecessor Frank Tracy Griswold, the new Presiding Bishop prefers sex with men.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 22:43 Updated: 2006/6/18 22:43 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A *A slap in the face at Global South*???
Nah, its more like two middle-fingers jutted in the face and a big, fat F*** YOU. The doors to the pit of Hell have just been opened... |
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/18 22:44 Updated: 2006/6/18 22:44 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A Dear Damascus,
You stole my line! Joe of the Mountain |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/18 22:53 Updated: 2006/6/18 22:53 |
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From the Seconde Booke of Iudas Iscariot, Misunderstanded Prophet of the Lord II Judas xcix:69 (Ostracised Version)
69. And so Sistren, mine Testment is completeth this hour, when women and children shalt leadeth ye to the Plain Beyond Goode and Evile. For there all manner of heresie be forgotten and all sin cast out before the table of vegan delicacies and fine Pinot Grigio. Them that complaineth still before us, gnashing teeth and wailing bemoanedly over this and that prayer and this and that orthodoxy knowest not their Master, for our Master is the Angel of Light, the King of this Worlde. And Lucifer knoweth his flock and feedeth them all they are deserving. This has been the witness of Judas, Misunderstanded Prophet of the Lord. Let no person be persuaded otherwyse lest he be stricken by the deeds of his owne phantasies. Amen. |
| PRNinDoFL | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:00 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:00 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A frehao, you're right. This is not a slap in the face of the global Anglican Communion. This is the ECUSA/TEC shooting the global communion in the ass with a Tasar, and then when they turn around to see where it came from, flipping them the bird and asking them "so, whatcha goin' to do about it?"
Puh-leeze...don't be such an ass. |
| warmac9999 | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:11 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:11 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A This is not just a slap in the face of the global south. Make no mistake here, it is an insult to the Archbishop of Canterbury, a repudiation of the orthodox in the Epsicopal Church, and ultimately a defiant stand against Christianity itself. If the Archbishop does not discard the Episcopal church and indicate that a competitive alternative will be established within American, then he will defacto abdicate his tenuous hold on power as well as his responsibility to Christianity.
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| dturk | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:45 Updated: 2006/6/18 23:45 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A A second rate oceanographer who has only been a priest for 12 years, who has never been the rector of a church, the bishop of a diocese with 25 parishes and less total members than some medium-sized Baptist churches, with no membership growth while it is in a state with record population increases.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:53 Updated: 2006/6/19 0:04 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A Rootbranch
Actually, that picture comes from a movie by the mercurial Peter Sellers. Simple irony.  |
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| Truthseekr | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:54 Updated: 2006/6/19 10:47 |
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Re: your mocking of "Let's roll" Anonymous
thank you for removing your reference to flight 93 |
| Truthseekr | Posted: 2006/6/18 23:58 Updated: 2006/6/19 10:37 |
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| yaya2 | Posted: 2006/6/19 0:00 Updated: 2006/6/19 0:02 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A What a slap in the faces of the families left due to the crash of Flight 93!!
The people on Flight 93 were heroes and I saddly see no heroes in UCUSA |
| Truthseekr | Posted: 2006/6/19 0:12 Updated: 2006/6/19 0:12 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A Quote:
If the Anglican Communion wanted clarity, a word much bandied about here at this convention, they got it, in spades. Said an Anglican priest in the UK who phoned VOL on hearing the news; "The Episcopal Church just committed suicide." If you ignore and deny, Jesus Christ, come in the flesh, and mock His Holy Scriptures, & mislead his children into sin & shortened lives due to avoidable diseases, - when you know better from your bibles; that is committing suicide... spiritual suicide.  don't go acting suprised if there is hell to pay for it... |
| RMachina | Posted: 2006/6/19 0:32 Updated: 2006/6/19 0:32 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A From prayertime based on 1 Cor 3:10-15 -- Christ laid the foundation for His Church 2000 years ago. All of the wood, hay and stubble which mankind has built upon that foundation is now beginning to be burned away. The end result of this process, which will occur much more quickly than any of us realize, will be the complete crumbling of all of the denominations. Christian unity WILL occur; however, it will occur on GOD'S terms, and not ours! God is beginning to undo all that mankind has done to confuse and divide His church. His Bride will be ready for His return.
As Job's response to God's jackhammer-like questions was "Never mind -- sorry I said anything!", so also will we be humbled into silence by God's holiness and majestic power! We love to rant and rave about all that's going wrong, but His unrelenting query of us is "Are you doing what I sent you to do?" I am the chief of sinners when it comes to focusing on the negative news, and wallowing in the muck and the mire that has infected much of today's church, across all denominations. How much better for the Kingdom if each one of us were to redirect this emotional energy into reaching out in love to our brothers and sisters who are rushing headlong into the abyss, some unknowingly, others not caring. It is not "homophobic", or hateful, to warn people that what they are doing is wrong, and that such behavior endangers them and others around them, now and for eternity. If I understand the Scriptures correctly, the only force that renders the power of the Cross ineffective is an unrepentent heart. Redefining sin does not make it go away; however, repenting (i.e. "turning away from it") of it does, because of His sacrifical death and resurrection. Therein lies perhaps the greatest, most satanic evil of ECUSA -- trying to make sin go away by redefining it, rather than by repenting of it. Redefining sin is not mankind's perogative. God is God, and we're not. Wasn't that the first temptation, "to be like God?" ECUSA is dead. It has been "given over", ala Rom 1 (vv 24, 26, 28). So also in the foreseeable future will be every other man-made denomination. In the midst of the increasing chaos, let us stay-on-target by growing closer to Him, by growing closer to His people, and by growing His Kingdom. Come quickly, Lord Jesus! JAM (the husband half of RMachina) |
| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/19 1:17 Updated: 2006/6/19 1:18 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A Rootbranch -
Valium. Try valium. I truly wish that your bitterness would not consume you. You are of great value and worth! Prespective is what you lack! Our Lord is soverign, and can be trusted. He can be trusted with your pain. In love . . . |
| quissum | Posted: 2006/6/19 1:36 Updated: 2006/6/19 1:36 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A The Jewish historian Josephus relates how that, on the verge of the Romans' destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD, voices were heard in the Holy of Holies saying, "Let us depart hence!" What an exquisite example of the Divine Irony that liberal bishops so exquisitely "sensitive" to matters of racial and social "justice" have proven themselves such crass and blind hypocrites (so what's new?). Indeed, ey kabhod (Ichabod), "Where is the Glory of the LORD?" It has surely departed from the ECUSA, and perhaps soon from the USA as well. Yet how prophetically true to Scripture which says that God has chosen the 'foolish' things to confound the 'wise.' But, alas, of what significance is Holy Scripture to those who have so definitively apostasized from the 'Faith once delivered to the saints'?
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| fincam | Posted: 2006/6/19 2:12 Updated: 2006/6/19 2:12 |
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 Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A"Commited suicide"? I think it's more like the hostage scene from "Blazing Saddles" - they've taken themselves hostage.
Everyone was looking for what ECUSA would do about gay such & such, but now they have done something to push hard on the orthodox primates, whose objections will now be "sexist". Canterburry cannot censure ECUSA now w/o looking like they are siding with the knuckdraggers. It's actually very clever. The militant liberals (probably a small minority of the moderate-to-liberal wing) could care less if the communion rips worldwide as long as they can run things. I'm much more concerned about this title IV business, anyway. |
| aspire1983 | Posted: 2006/6/19 2:27 Updated: 2006/6/19 2:27 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A DAVID VIRTUE - -
I suppose it's a little late now to publish my treatise on "Three Tips for People in Purple with Regard to Playing Russian Roullette"??? I sent it in months ago. The timing now seems rather anti-climactic! |
| QuoVadis | Posted: 2006/6/19 3:36 Updated: 2006/6/19 3:36 |
Just popping in  Joined: 2006/6/11 From: Northern California Posts: 5 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A Come on, this was so predictable. The left cares most about in-your-face symbols.
Outgoing PB invents a new heresy [continuing revelation], incoming PB is a woman of the radical left, my local bishop-elect has divorced twice and is working on his third marriage [to a woman priest]... Good Grief!!! I wish the orthodox would quit shilly-shallying about and get on with a new thing. The Lord will create all things new. He's waiting for our leaders to quit dallying. By the way, does anyone know any facts about the Episcopal Orthodox Church (Arch-Bishop McLaughlin presiding)? It's part of a world-wide communion called the Anglican Orthodox. I've read all their websites, etc. Are they a serious group? They promote 1928 BCP and "heterosexual male priests." They might also be Calvinist, I'm not sure. We need to get organized and back to the Lord's work. Enough of this dancing about to every tune piped by the homosexuals. Cordially, QV |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/19 5:43 Updated: 2006/6/19 5:44 |
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Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A ZachD wrote:
Rootbranch - Valium. Try valium. I truly wish that your bitterness would not consume you. You are of great value and worth! Prespective is what you lack! I suppose that Jesus needed some Valium when he fashioned a whip and went to beating the money changers. I suppose He needed some Valium when he excoriated the Pharisees and the Saducees at the gates of the Temple thus sealing his doom. I suppose Elijah needed some Valium when he derided the prophets of Baal with taunts about how their god was hard of hearing and that they needed to yell louder and cut themselves deeper. Yeah....valium has been the drug of choice of the orthodox for the last 40 years.....that's the only thing I can think of that explains why they have let this come to pass today. |
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| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/19 6:53 Updated: 2006/6/19 6:54 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/5/29 From: Posts: 869 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A "By the way, does anyone know any facts about the Episcopal Orthodox Church ... They promote "heterosexual male priests.""
What???? Burn them!!!! Oops, sorry, I had a dream I'd turned into an ECUSA bishop... Seriously, I don't think they are calvinist. They seem very interesting however. Their web-site states: "Our Apostolic Succession is derived through and shared with the Anglican Communion, the Old Catholic Union of Utrecht, and the Orthodox Church". They quote John Jewel: "We have returned to the Apostles and old Catholic fathers. We have planted no new religion, but only have preserved the old that was undoubtedly founded and used by the Apostles of Christ and other holy Fathers of the Primitive Church.... --Bishop John Jewel, Apologia Ecclesiae Anglicanae, 1562" This is an interesting alliance - those Anglicans who diverged from Cranmer's reformation but didn't want to go back to Rome, allying with the Old catholics of Utrecht (I seem to recall that Utrecht is considered "valid but not licit" by Rome, or some such pontificating). I cannot work out whether these guys have some sort of relationship with the eastern orthodox churches or not. Neal may know. Anyway, I am happy to stand shoulder to shoulder with them on any matter where we agree Regards Michael |
| Blake | Posted: 2006/6/20 4:15 Updated: 2006/6/20 4:15 |
Just popping in Joined: 2006/6/3 From: Posts: 7 |
Re: ELECTION OF WOMAN PRESIDING BISHOP IS SLAP IN THE FACE A Then I supposed we better remove Queen Elizabeth from being the Head of the Church and Defender of the Faith. So only when their are Kings on the thrown will we have men has "true heads" of the church. When we have Queens - we simply wouldn't have a "Head of the Church."
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