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COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as 'Anti-Jewish'
By Hans Zeiger
VirtueOnline Correspondent
www.virtueonline.org
COLUMBUS, OHIO (6/15/06)-The 75th General Convention of the Episcopal Church today passed a resolution essentially condemning the Bible as an "anti-Jewish" document. Not only does the resolution aim to address perceptions of anti-Jewish prejudice in the Bible and Episcopal liturgy, but it suggests that such prejudice is actually "expressed in...Christian Scriptures and liturgical texts."
Originated in the Committee on Prayer Book, Liturgy and Music, Resolution C001 directs the Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music to "collect and develop materials to assist members of the Church to address anti-Jewish prejudice expressed in and stirred by portions of Christian scriptures and liturgical texts, with suggestions for preaching, congregational education, and lectionary use, and to report to the 76th General Convention."
Both houses of the Episcopal Church Convention passed the resolution, including a 68 percent approval in the House of Deputies on Thursday.
The Rev. Ruth A Meyers of the Diocese of Chicago, Secretary of the Committee on Prayer Book, Liturgy and Music, explained to the House of Deputies why her committee had expanded the wording in the language to include not only prejudice in "liturgical texts," but also in "Christian scriptures."
"We did have a question about whether Scripture itself uses anti-Jewish prejudice," Meyers said. Referring specifically to the Gospel account of the crucifixion, she added, "That scriptural text...has in fact stirred anti-Jewish prejudice and resulted in significant violence toward Jewish people."
Canon Kendall Harmon, Diocese of South Carolina, Deputy on the Education Committee, proposed an amendment on the floor of the House of Deputies to restore the original language of Resolution C001 without condemning "Christian scriptures."
A deputy from Massachusetts argued in favor of Harmon's amendment, "I believe it is so important to deal with the question of the liturgical text and those that may promote or maintain anti-Jewish prejudice, and I am not prepared to deal with the larger question of Scripture."
The Rev. Adam Trambley, rector of Trinity Memorial Episcopal Church and a deputy from Northwestern Pennsylvania, declared, "There is an issue with perceived anti-Semitism in the New Testament...The amendment seems to be more interested in separating the liturgical texts we use from the Scriptural texts."
The amendment failed by a vote of 424-387.
Virtue Online interviewed the Very Rev. Dr. Peter Cook of the Diocese of Western Louisiana, a member of the Committee on Prayer Book, Liturgy and Music, following the final vote of the House of Deputies to concur with the House of Bishops. Cook attempted to dissuade his committee from amending Resolution C001, but his vote was far outweighed.
Resolution C001 "in effect smuggled in a critique of the Scriptural text instead of the liturgical text," said Cook.
Underlying it all was a terribly flawed understanding of God's Word, Cook suggested.
"I think it reaffirms the belief amongst many that our culture is entitled to critique the Scriptures." Cook said that the liberal view of Scripture had triumphed in the passage of the resolution, based on the belief that the Bible is "a document produced in a certain time with limitations, and because of that it may not be relevant for all cultures at all times."
The orthodox view, according to Cook, is that "the Scriptures were written at a particular place in a particular culture, and that they are relevant to all cultures."
But "if Scriptures were only communicated by men, which means that they were man's best efforts to interpret what God is saying," they will inevitably miss the mark, Cook concluded.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/15 20:24 Updated: 2006/6/15 20:24 |
 Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as"Resolution C001 "in effect smuggled in a critique of the Scriptural text instead of the liturgical text," said Cook.
Underlying it all was a terribly flawed understanding of God's Word, Cook suggested." *********** How true. It seems that at each passing hour of this 75th convention, these people are becoming more and more mad! Sorry that's the wrong word. "Mentally unstable" is more politically correct. BHTech |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/15 20:27 Updated: 2006/6/15 20:27 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � The Bible is Anti-Jewish???????
If such are the thoughts at the *Genital Convention* - Thats proof positive that we are dealing with a most radical evil that would even make Caligula blush. |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/15 20:31 Updated: 2006/6/15 20:31 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as "Referring specifically to the Gospel account of the crucifixion, she added, "That scriptural text...has in fact stirred anti-Jewish prejudice and resulted in significant violence toward Jewish people.""
******** Did Mrs. Mayers forget that Jesus died for our sins and it is WE, that is, all of us who crucified Jesus on the cross? More private interpretation of scriptures so off the wall that pretty soon pigs will be flying. BHTech |
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| David_Fine | Posted: 2006/6/15 20:32 Updated: 2006/6/15 20:38 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2004/3/29 From: Madison, WI Posts: 321 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � The Episcopal General Convention has officially apologized for the Bible.
The General Convention has determined that the Bible is an embarassment. Wow. Unbelievably sad, but revealing of their state of mind. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/15 20:44 Updated: 2006/6/15 20:48 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as David_Fine said "The General Convention has determined that the Bible is an embarassment."
******* Let's see how that is going to work for the liberals and revisionists. The old testament is essentially the Torah and its part of the Bible, so ECUSA has decided the New testament is offensive to them. Ok let's remove it. Should we remove it completely and still remain Christian, or should we make our own New testament to replace the Bible's. New resolution: We'll go with the latter that is more tolerant of both Jews, Homosexuals, Muslims, Buddists, Hindus. Anybody else wants to join our new testament? Mad, mad, people! BHTech |
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| tinpipes | Posted: 2006/6/15 20:56 Updated: 2006/6/15 20:56 |
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/15 21:00 Updated: 2006/6/15 21:00 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/1/3 From: Posts: 3472 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Madness.
First of all, it is impossible to stand for something while not at the same time standing against something else. That's just the way it works. Secondly, Christianity is "anti-jewish" in that Christ's entire mission was to teach the Jews how screwed up they had become and how far they were from God's true intentions for them. To this end, "Judeo-Christian" is oxymoronic; the phrase makes sense only as a secular description of the origins of an ethical system that began as Hebrew, then became Israelite, reduced to Judaism (the rump of the 12 Tribes) and was transformed into Christianity. But in the mind of ECUSick, they do not mean this rather obvious conclusion: they mean to demean faithful Christians because they really mean to say the Bible is hateful of Jews. And homosexuals. And child molestors. And adulterers. And drunkards. And gluttons. And liars. And Pharisees. Etc etc etc. and so anyone who believes the Bible as written is obviously hateful. It is, in effect, a means of pre-empting Scriptual defenses against the Episcopagan/Episcobaal religion they wish to pursue with the buildings and money of a formerly Christian church. Make no mistake about it -- Griswold is evil incarnate and so too are his minions. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/15 21:01 Updated: 2006/6/15 21:01 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHH........
Haven't any of these Godless heathens read Romans 9:/ 10:/ 11: What about all the statments about Jews first, gentiles second. It seems, that in my reading of the Bible, I haven't found any thing anti-Jewish. I have seen alot that is anti-sin. |
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| IMGB007 | Posted: 2006/6/15 21:03 Updated: 2006/6/15 21:03 |
Just can't stay away   Joined: 2006/6/15 From: Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 93 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � This is sad, but not surprising. It again boils down to the issue of the authority of Scripture. It seems that for the revisionists the Bible is right when it agrees with their position, and wrong/fallible/written by men whenever it doesn't cater to their desires. I'm sure they think that in the parable of the wheat and the tares that the orthodox are the tares...
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| gregory | Posted: 2006/6/15 21:07 Updated: 2006/6/15 21:07 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/8/4 From: Nflorida Posts: 4436 |
Tonight Live Vicki Gene Robinson of ECUSA & David Anderson of AAC on Larry King TONIGHT 6/15/06 at 9 pm on CNN
Should be interesting!!!!  http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/ Thursday's show Bishop V. Gene Robinson Exclusive! America's first openly gay Episcopal bishop discusses whether homosexuals should stay in a church that won't accept them. Tune in tonight at 9 p.m.  |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/15 21:07 Updated: 2006/6/15 21:07 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as "This is sad, but not surprising. It again boils down to the issue of the authority of Scripture. It seems that for the revisionists the Bible is right when it agrees with their position, and wrong/fallible/written by men whenever it doesn't cater to their desires. I'm sure they think that in the parable of the wheat and the tares that the orthodox are the tares..."
********* Agreed! Furthermore its Sola Scriptura taken to the extremeties. God Bless BHTech |
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| Causidicus | Posted: 2006/6/15 21:14 Updated: 2006/6/15 21:14 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/7/3 From: Posts: 1095 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Oh come on now, they're just following the Sweet New Gospel of Jumpin Judas Priest (!) Part II which are flying fast and furious around the blogosphere now that the e-convention is in full spong, er, swing. This just in from a treasure hunter working full time at his e-computer and hoping to strike it “Dan Brown Rich”: Chapter 12, Verses 99-96.
99 “And when the time comes that you have understood all these words and know that the gospels delivered by the other apostles are a mere stretch (except the gospel of Thomas, that’s a really neat one) 98 You are to hold a convention and insult the apostles 97 and again, gratify your every wish and desire in the name of divine revelation, ignoring the other gospels (except Thomas, written for him by Baalzebub after he died, just like this one.) and also the pentateuch (what, are WE the inheritors of some legacy to mere Hebrew slaves?) and everything in between 96 and when you are done embrace whatever philosophy springs to mind, remembering that your minds are superior to the minds of all of those who came before you because you’re all so... nice. |
| shytech74 | Posted: 2006/6/15 21:23 Updated: 2006/6/15 21:24 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/4/23 From: Ontario Canada Posts: 1054 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � A year or 2 ago I heard a representative from "Jews For Jesus" (a Pakistani Jew no less!) give an excellent multimedia presentation. He said that it is the most Jewish thing a Jew could do to accept Jesus as their Messiah!
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/15 21:30 Updated: 2006/6/15 21:31 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Clearly the revisionists, liberals, and moderates have no sense of proportion when dealing with Scripture and have wholly succumbed to "pop" biblical critical "study" and cannot be relied on to read even the Scripture in a sound scholarly manner. Just more indication of ECUSA's growing unsoundness. On a par with those that thought Mel Gibbon's film, "The Passion", was anti-semitic. What's next, to say the Bible is too Christian?
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/15 21:42 Updated: 2006/6/15 21:44 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � So now I guess the revisionist heretics want to scour the Bible clean of what they consider to be "anti-Jewish" passages? I'd like to have a little chat with the mental midgets who came up with this idiotic idea!
Cennydd |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/15 21:45 Updated: 2006/6/15 21:48 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Jesus, Joseph and Mary!!!!!
So...let's see...a book compiled over the course of 3000 years, all written by Jews/Hebrews except for possibly Luke, all concerning the life and times of Jews and the prophesied and revealed JEWISH Messiah and his coming again in Revelation, is an anti-Semetic book, huh? Bishop Duncan, all you ACN folks, all you fence siiting ECUSANS....you are now part of an organzition akin to the Mormons and the Jehovah Witnesses.....that is, they are all Christian in some trappings and ways, but utterly false in theology. Do you really want to try to stay in this organization? Is there any evidence any more that ECUSA is Christian by any stretch of the word? There is more than one path to God...Griswold I can shag manbutt and it's ok with God...Robinson Christ was not the Son of God...Spong There is no Trinity...Pike The Bible is Anti-Semetic...ECUSA. What say you Bishop Duncan? What say you ACN? What say you AAC? What say you ECUSAN holdouts? |
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| DeaconC | Posted: 2006/6/15 21:59 Updated: 2006/6/15 21:59 |
Not too shy to talk Joined: 2006/6/7 From: Middle Haddam, CT Posts: 35 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � The scriptures are anti-Jewish? Jews (who wrote most of Holy Writ) have self-hatred? They wrote anti-jewish texts? But they sound so much like Episcopalians that hate the fact that they are white, homo sapiens!
Talk about a psychotic break! Unbelievable...but then again, perhaps not as so many in ECUSA no longer believe in the virgin birth, the resurrection, hell, etc., etc. So perhaps it simply fits in with the psychosis. When and where will it end?? I hear the death knell even now...getting louder. We need a durdge... |
| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/15 22:00 Updated: 2006/6/15 22:00 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as . . . in full spong, er, swing . . .
Causidicus, Thanks! I laughed out loud! |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/15 22:04 Updated: 2006/6/15 22:04 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6863 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Rootbranch, I'd say you made your point....enough already!
Cennydd |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/15 22:22 Updated: 2006/6/15 22:22 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Naaaw Cenny, they don't want to scour the Bible clean of what they consider anti-Jewish, they want to point out that now not only is Scripture homophobic, it's now oficially anti-semetic.
Makes it easier to sell the "scripture is hate speech" line to rank and file episcopalians. I thank God almighty that I was too young to model myself after the drug addled Haigt Ashbury hippie maggots that now rule the Aposcopal Cult. Pray that it dies soon. |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/15 22:28 Updated: 2006/6/15 22:28 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Naaaw Cenny, they don't want to scour the Bible clean of what they consider anti-Jewish, they want to point out that now not only is Scripture homophobic, it's now oficially anti-semetic.
Makes it easier to sell the "scripture is hate speech" line to rank and file episcopalians. I thank God almighty that I was too young to model myself after the drug addled Haigt Ashbury hippie maggots that now rule the Aposcopal Cult. Pray that it dies soon. |
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| lkwells | Posted: 2006/6/15 23:03 Updated: 2006/6/15 23:03 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Anything which manifests the deeply entrenched apostasy of TEC (aka ECUSA) is for the good. Why would anyone speak against it? Yes, of course, it is the pseudo-orthodox quacks and shills who don't want us to know or believe how bad this Synagogue of Satan has become. They may sound good, but at the end of the day, they will belong to the same false church as Griswold and VGR.
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| dturk | Posted: 2006/6/15 23:35 Updated: 2006/6/15 23:35 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as "We did have a question about whether Scripture itself uses anti-Jewish prejudice," Meyers said. Referring specifically to the Gospel account of the crucifixion, she added, "That scriptural text...has in fact stirred anti-Jewish prejudice and resulted in significant violence toward Jewish people."
I suppose in their view the Bible is also anti-gay. |
| dturk | Posted: 2006/6/15 23:37 Updated: 2006/6/15 23:37 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Oh, let's not forget the fornicators and the money changers,,,
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/16 0:08 Updated: 2006/6/16 0:08 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Dturk, I wouldn't be surprised if they DID say the Bible is anti-gay!
Cennydd |
| Gander | Posted: 2006/6/16 0:43 Updated: 2006/6/16 0:43 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/5/31 From: Less than 1 Earth diameter away Posts: 452 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Hypocracy, thy name is "ECUSA"!
These guys saying the Scriptures are anti-Jewish, is it not these same geniuses who are advocating pulling investments out of Israel? Revisionism is an insanity. Don |
| MichaelA | Posted: 2006/6/16 1:03 Updated: 2006/6/16 1:03 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � I read an anecdote once that said that Voltaire, the 17th century philosopher, held a bible up in front of his friends and said something like: "We live in the age of enlightenment. In 100 years this book will have vanished from Europe". The story goes on that 100 years later TO THE VERY DAY, the Geneva Bible society was distributing bibles from Voltaire's house. Who says God doesn't have a sense of humour?!
"Defend the bible? I would sooner defend a lion" C. H. Spurgeon. Go for it, progressives. Kick the landmine. Keep doing it! And in the process, force the fence-sitters to make a choice... |
| islandbear | Posted: 2006/6/16 1:08 Updated: 2006/6/16 1:08 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Many thanks to the VOL team for the reports. I don't know if anyone else has wasted time watching the streaming "nightly reports" from ENS -- straight propaganda.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/16 1:08 Updated: 2006/6/16 1:13 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Cennydd wrote:
Rootbranch, I'd say you made your point....enough already! Cennyd...through your pointed, concise, oh so right posts I have come to respect and admire you and your insight. However, you and I part company at this point. I will not stop. These insane pagans are not the ones to blame for this mess. It has been the pathological silence and fear by the orthodox to do anything about it. The year after I was born in 1965 Bishop Pike was able to spit in the eye of the Triune God and the orthodox did NOTHING !!!!!!!!!!! NOTHING CENNYDD. Then comes along Spong.....and NOOOOOTTTTHIIING!!!!! And now 3 years after the Sodomite Robinson's consecration!!!!!!!! This coming split of the Anglican Communion should have started after Pike or at the very least Spong. But NOOOOOOOOO, you guys sat back and hoped and prayed it was an isolated event and it would all blow over and we CAN'T upset the GODDESS UNITY for any reason lest we become another protestant sect. So it's been ok to ride the coattails of Luther for the last 500 years, eh? That's enough schism for one millenium, huh? I intend to be the "HAMMER OF THE ORTHODOX" on this blog, as a layperson in my church, and even (God willing) as a priest. Never again will there be silence concerning feckless, coward orthodoxy. Not from me, NOT EVER!!!!!!!! THE GODDESS UNITY CAN ROT IN HELL!!!!!! I AM UNIFIED AS AN ANGLICAN WITH FELLOW TRUE ANGLICAN BELIEVERS. BUT IF I WERE THE ONLY ANGLICAN LEFT ON THE PLANET I WOULD STILL BE IN UNITY WITH MY BROTHER BAPTIST AND MY SISTER LUTHERAN AND MY COUSIN METHODIST AND MY AUNT PENTACOSTAL. AND IF I WERE THE ONLY PERSON AT ALL LEFT ON THE PLANET I WOULD FIND PERFECT UNITY WITH THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS....CHRIST JESUS THE MESSIAH! I will never blame the barbarian at the gate if he succeeds in taking over my city. It is I who am to blame for failing to adequately defend my city. If we had ever believed as a Church that God was with us....we would have never feared "ROCKING THE BOAT". But this Church is turning into salt as sure as Lot's wife did when she expressed her fear of the unknown and of "rocking the boat" by leaving her beloved city of Sodom and looking back. I quite frankly do not trust Bishop Duncan to have the cohones to break from his beloved church. I have been alive for 42 years. As long as I have been alive people like Bishop Duncan have been letting this situation come to this present crisis. Well, by God, no more. Not without some words of "encouragement" from me. |
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| melora20 | Posted: 2006/6/16 1:13 Updated: 2006/6/16 1:13 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � They're seeking to discredit Scripture. Since they've already chosen to disregard its authority, they must at all costs make themselves right.
Scripture is quite often hard to hear. It can be hard to accept that we sophisticated 21st century intellectuals do not know better than the ancient Word of God. And we surely do not. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/16 1:22 Updated: 2006/6/16 1:22 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Marlin wrote:
Haven't any of these Godless heathens read Romans 9:/ 10:/ 11: What about all the statments about Jews first, gentiles second. It seems, that in my reading of the Bible, I haven't found any thing anti-Jewish. I have seen alot that is anti-sin. YES !! YES!! YESSSS!!!!!! You GET IT Marlin!!!! Paul even stated in Romans how he was a "Jew's Jew" so to speak. He talked about his Phariseeic credentials. He spoke at length of how Jesus came to the Jews first. God himself came to them first starting with Abraham. This age even ends back in Jerusalem with the Temple rebuilt and cleansed and healing water flowing from it to all lands and 144,000 thousand righteous Jews protected from the wrath of Anti-Christ for a welcoming committee for Messiah on the Mount of Olives. I even took my nom de plume on this blog from Romans and Paul's exhortation to the Gentiles that the Jews are the root and we Gentiles are the branches. It just goes to show the tragedy of how we orthodox have allowed people who believe and understand the Bible less than even the Mormons to take over our church. |
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| morrismpls | Posted: 2006/6/16 1:22 Updated: 2006/6/16 1:22 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � So now we put the Bible on the bookshelf next to Mein Kampf and Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
This is just cover for the coming resolutions that hand Israelis over to be butchered by Hamas. |
| truelight | Posted: 2006/6/16 1:27 Updated: 2006/6/16 1:27 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Cennydd wrote:
Rootbranch, I'd say you made your point....enough already! i agree..rootbranch stop it...we kjnow what a mess the ECUSA is in and we dont need anyone else to point it out so quit it |
| ejsteele | Posted: 2006/6/16 1:45 Updated: 2006/6/16 1:45 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as While Rootbranch's words may seem a bit over the top, I have to agree with him. Yes, we do all know how much ECUSA has strayed from the faith - all the more reason for orthodox bishops to separate themselves from such a group. I can certainly understand the pain of leaving one's "home church", but as our Lord told the apostles: "...if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town." (Matt. 10:14).
It is time for those who still believe in Christ as the Son of God to shake off the dust of such anti-Christian teachings as those being put forth by the liberal ECUSA, and to move on. May God have mercy on us all. |
| Philippa | Posted: 2006/6/16 2:23 Updated: 2006/6/16 2:26 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as So this is what they're spending their time on in Columbus?!!
 The fat lady should sing and they should all go home. The next bit of nonsense, which I've already heard out of some bishops' mouths, is that baptism prior to communion is both exclusive and oppressive. Let me see if I understand this new version of "Christianity"-- 1) Humans, and humans alone, are entitled to define "sin" for their own purposes and gains, thus the sacraments belong to anybody who wants them... 2) The Bible is no more than a collection of stories, probably not much different from a Stephen King anthology; 3) Again, Baptism prior to the administration of Holy Communion is exclusive and oppressive; 4) Sodomy is in, and "polyamorous justice" is on the way in... 5) Liturgy is just pretty ceremonial stuff and need have no basis in Scripture or Anglican polity. Do I have it right?! To reiterate my colleague's words--Yup, may God have mercy on us all... In Christ, Philippa |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/16 2:30 Updated: 2006/6/16 2:30 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as AMEN. I support Rootbranch as I am not only his exact age, but of his exact observation.
To those who get squeemish making a scene, GET OVER IT. Time for righteous indignation before our civilization collapses and is looted by the barbarians already inside our gates. My blood-line has worked too hard and sacrifced too much to let this slip away for lack of testicular fortitude to speak the truth! |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/16 2:32 Updated: 2006/6/16 2:32 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � The opposite of "progressive" is "regressive" and if you go backward from Francis-Tracie's "pluriform truth" you must, by definition, reach pure error.
Thus his famous 2,000 years of unfolding demand that the original article is, well, sinful. How's that for a "christian" preacher man? |
| DeaconC | Posted: 2006/6/16 2:37 Updated: 2006/6/16 2:37 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Dturk & Cennydd,
I am shocked that they did not jump on the anti-gay partPerhaps that would seem to insane? |
| gatekeeper | Posted: 2006/6/16 2:43 Updated: 2006/6/16 3:31 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Thanks for the link, tinpipes, to C001 Resolution.
I would like to put the most charitable spin possible on this resolution no matter how it is actually intended or which faction proposed and supported it. Recall Matt 27:22-25: 22"What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate asked. They all answered, "Crucify him!" 23"Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!" 24When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!" 25All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!" Most of us know that passages of Scripture lifted out of context and read without the benefit of the rest of Scripture can be grossly misleading. This passage in Matthew is just such a passage. Who among you would like some sound exegesis to help you explain why, based on this passage, Scripture is not anti-Jewish? Also consider how seminaries are spitting out graduates who can explain in detail how God accepts everyone, who have no clue that God condemns anyone or anything, and who may have trouble finding the Book of Nahum in the Bible without peeking at the table of contents. Perhaps it would be a good idea for "the Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music to collect and develop materials to assist members of the Church to address anti-Jewish prejudice expressed in and stirred by portions of Christian scriptures and liturgical texts." On the other hand, do I have any confidence that the Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music is up to accomplishing this task properly? Naaw. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/16 2:44 Updated: 2006/6/16 5:41 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as truelight wrote:
i agree..rootbranch stop it...we kjnow what a mess the ECUSA is in and we dont need anyone else to point it out so quit it You don't get it still. I'm not trying to convince you that ECUSA is dead. My point is that WE...WE are to blame not the revisionists. WE...our fathers and grandfathers and sons and wives and priests and laity, WE ALL SHARE IN THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE NOTHING!!!!! EVEN WHEN WE KNEW THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS TO FIGHT IT ANYMORE...WE STILL GAVE MONEY AND TIME AND COMFORT TO THE WHORE THAT IS ECUSA SO SHE COULD CONTINUE IN HER FORNICATIONS BEFORE GOD BECAUSE WE WERE TO SCARED TO START ANEW AWAY FROM THE WHORE! And you are a problem still if you find my words too strong or repetitive. Sorry, but I am holding feet to the fire that should have burned a long time ago. And lest you think I'm some hypocrite...well, I've already expressed my feelings at my ACN affiliated parish that if we as a church do not leave ECUSA after General Convention I will take my wife and 5 children out of the church. When I do that I will decrease the average Sunday attendance by 10%. We no longer are in a Christian organization. It is as if my parish belongs to the Mormons even though we profess to be Orthodox Anglican Christians. That wouldn't cut it for you nor would it for me. But somehow you still think that ECUSA is Christian....it is not. Mormons and Jehova Witnesses are more Christian than ECUSA. Well, the ACN affiliateship is not enough. Not unless Duncan calls ECUSA and Rowan Williams bluff. But no matter what Duncan does, for I do not believe he will do much of anything, my pastor had better leave or I do. He is as God fearing and preaching a man as I have ever known. But that is not enough. My kids make up the vast majority of Sunday School. I don't care. As I said earlier my family is 10% of the parish's average attendance. I don't care. I will not be a member of a cowardly church. If Jesus Christ submitted to his Father's will to be lashed to an inch of his life before being brutely crucified for my utterly sinfull and worthless person, what is it for me to leave a building that will mold and decay anyway in time? And I do not have a clue as to where I will go, since I have found most of the other churches as unacceptable. But that will not matter. God will direct me to a loving Christ professing Church. NO FEAR, NO INACTION, EYES ON CHRIST, I WILL MOVE FORWARD. |
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| RMachina | Posted: 2006/6/16 3:20 Updated: 2006/6/16 3:20 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Keep it up, RootBranch!! I'm with you! We need more warriors. The orthodox shepherds have failed to lead us out after the wolf has come in. I, too, am in an ACN affiliated parish and I share your exact frustration for the same reasons.
I used to live in the Bay Area and I saw what the future would hold back in the early '90's. I naively believed that when I moved to conservative Colorado Springs that I would be safe, that I could run away from it. I remember talking to my priest in 1998, trying to sound a warning and he told me it was OK because we were affiliated with the AAC. I was uneasy, but accepted it because I had fallen in love with my church family. Since then our church family has been torn apart, down to couples who have split apart to worship. It's heart rending. I am ready to go (actually have been for the last 3 years) when my husband decides it's time. |
| RMachina | Posted: 2006/6/16 3:23 Updated: 2006/6/16 3:37 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Sorry everyone!! Don't know how I managed to post the same thing three times...
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| RMachina | Posted: 2006/6/16 3:24 Updated: 2006/6/16 3:40 |
Quite a regular Joined: 2004/9/1 From: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 49 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Oops! Wish you could retract duplicates!
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/16 3:47 Updated: 2006/6/16 4:22 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as The orthodox shepherds have failed to lead us out after the wolf has come in.
I do not know if you realize what a profound statement that is, RMachina. But if that doesn't truly clarify the horrible tragedy of ECUSA nothing can. They are shepherds, Christ states that time and again. The Angelic announcement of Christ's birth was to shepherds. Jesus exhorted Peter to "feed his sheep". Now here's the kicker...Jesus is a son of David. David was a shepherd...who had the courage of God to stand up to Goliath when the other mighty Hebrew warriors ran away. He trusted God and slew the Philistine giant with a rock....A ROCK!!!! Not an AK-47....not a bazooka...not a Patriot Missile....a lowly rock thrown from a lowly shepherd who had faith and courage. Now contrast that to the orthodox sherpherds of the last 40 years. They seem even more pathetic do they not? For they truly let the wolves in, without hardly a trace of resistence. No wonder the sheep have left. And those that are left are the weakest and the most ripe for the picking. The stats tell it all. We are the oldest in terms of laity and the least child producing of all the denominations. Not one but two different national surveys have said that if present trends continue that ECUSA and the CofE will be statistically dead in 50 years. And these studies were done before the Robinson fiasco. The Shepherds have failed. The flock is decimated and continuing to be decimated. Goliath stalks our midst and laughs at us. Where, Oh God....where is our David in our time of greatest need? |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/16 5:39 Updated: 2006/6/16 5:39 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as I naively believed that when I moved to conservative Colorado Springs that I would be safe, that I could run away from it. I remember talking to my priest in 1998, trying to sound a warning and he told me it was OK because we were affiliated with the AAC. I was uneasy, but accepted it because I had fallen in love with my church family.
Since then our church family has been torn apart, down to couples who have split apart to worship. It's heart rending. Even though I am now a member of an ACN and AAC affiliated parish in St. Marys, GA, I left my old parish in Jacksonville, FL for a year, precisely because I didn't buy what our pastor was selling us concerning the ACN's promises of protection and becoming the new Anglican Province. Also we were fed a cock and bull story from outgoing Bishop Jecko that the present Bishop Howard was an OK guy. All of which has been proven a disasterous lie. Now to be fair, Bishop Jecko was too naive. He was not being deceptive. In a letter posted on another part of this site, he bravely and sadly expresses what some of us knew all along....that it is hopeless for ECUSA. And our pastor was never anything close to being revisionist. But as I have said earlier, I will not be a party to a church that has its head in the sand and is not ready to give it all up and follow in faith the path that Jesus Christ will have for us. So why am I at my present parish? The pastor there was quite honest as to why he was staying until after General Convention. He did not have any naive notions about our status as an ACN parish and that he was already entertaining the idea of leaving but that he is a cautious man and would pray and consult all of us before coming to a decision. Fair enough in my mind. But the clock is ticking as far as I am concerned. Even our small parish is down from an average of 90 every Sunday to 70. And as I've said before my family makes up 10% of the congregation. It is indeed heart rending. |
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| Caroll | Posted: 2006/6/16 8:53 Updated: 2006/6/16 8:53 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/2/22 From: Posts: 289 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � islandbear
Tryhttp://gencon06.classicalanglican.net/ this site There are also many links to other bloggers.  Carol |
| chalice | Posted: 2006/6/16 11:36 Updated: 2006/6/16 11:36 |
Just can't stay away Joined: 2006/1/12 From: Posts: 99 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as I am shocked that they did not jump on the anti-gay part
DeaconC -- you can be quite certain that they did jump on the anti-gay part. They merely chose a button that wasn't quite so hot ... but they opened the door to do whatever they will with God's Word. |
| warmac9999 | Posted: 2006/6/16 12:59 Updated: 2006/6/16 12:59 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/2/16 From: Posts: 1463 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Let's see if I get this straight. Jesus was a practicing Jew. Christianity didn't exist at the time of his death. The Bible, written by practicing Jews, is anti-Jewish. Now this makes sense - the Jews hate themselves, and Jesus hated himself so much that he participated in his own Crucifixition. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow and holy cow.
On a more serious note, it is obvious to even a casual observer that this is but another step designed to de-Christianize the Episcopal Church and open fully the door to homosexualization and any other odd thing that the progressive revisionists can concoct. If you can condemn the Bible then eventually you can condemn Jesus for being stupid, self-serving, and of little religious importance. The Episcopal Church may once have been a Christian Church but it is not a Christian Church today. |
| DnNeal | Posted: 2006/6/16 13:05 Updated: 2006/6/16 13:20 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Quote:
A deputy from Massachusetts argued in favor of Harmon's amendment, "I believe it is so important to deal with the question of the liturgical text and those that may promote or maintain anti-Jewish prejudice, and I am not prepared to deal with the larger question of Scripture. But "deal with the larger question of Scripture" they DID! They dismissed it because some verses were "perceived" by some as anti-Semitic and these persons persecuted the Jews because of their mis-perception coming as it did out of impure hearts. I suppose we should do the sanme with all statements that could be mis-perceived as bigoted. No one would be able to say or write a word. Mis-perception arises out of the impure human heart. This is simply the latest move to discredit the Scriptures and all of Church history and Tradition. How enlightened! And very insidious. They think they have discredited any possible challenge to their views. Instead they have simply demonstrated the absolute nature of their separateness from the Holy Church and it's Head. Do they really need to do anything else? They have shown their true face as if we didn't already see it. The outcry from traditionalists at the Conference and everywhere should be explosive. All traditionalists should immediately leave the Conference in protest and let them play their heretical games. Traditionalist parishes and diocese should recall their deputies. Enough is enough!! St. Polycarp loved to tell the story of the time his spiritual father, St. John the Beloved Disciple, entered a bathhouse only to find the heretic Cerinthus therein. He fled immediately saying that he feared the ceiling would fall in on them. What is keeping the traditionalists in that Conference hall? Have they become THAT desensitized to heresy? The die is cast (again) for everyone to see but it was really cast by them long ago. Rightly did the Apostles and Church Fathers and Councils call deviations from Scripture and Tradition accursed! Arius and Nestorius and Theodore of Mopsuestia, and all the ancient heretics would call ECUSA accursed too. They held extremely high views of the Scriptures. ECUSA has attempted to discredit them entirely! They do not even have a place with them. Good bye (again) and may God have mercy on your souls! Neal |
| David_Fine | Posted: 2006/6/16 13:26 Updated: 2006/6/16 13:26 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Rootbranch,
At this time of General Convention, I try to focus on Jesus Christ. It is hard to keep from getting caught up in the goofiness of General Convention. To me, it is extremely important to know what I am for. And much less important to know what I am against. So, in my search through the wilderness to find a church, I wrote down a list of things that were important to me. Then I put them in order of how important. Instead of an ordered listing of 1-x items, they fell into groups. There were a number of things that were not negotiable. There were some things that I really wanted, but could live without. There were some things that would be nice, but probably wouldn't be among the available choices. I felt very awkward, because the idea of church shopping to fit my preferences seems too close to the USA consumer mentality. I tried to make my list reflect what I believed would be most pleasing to God, but even that is open to self-delusion. Anyway, my wife and I were moving along the same track at about the same pace. I'm so thankful for that unity. We are now in a congegation affiliated with the Evangelical Free Church of America (www.efca.org). They are not evangelical-free like fat-free. Our choice works for us. I hope you find something really positive for you. David |
| paulos | Posted: 2006/6/16 13:42 Updated: 2006/6/16 13:42 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Greetings in the name of Our Risen Lord;
Seventeen years ago, after the Synod in Fort Worth, our optimism was tinged with a fear that the problem was too deep for repair. When you can vote on doctrine . . . I say this with no glee, but with sadness for friends left behind: This article details a clear example of why we went to the Eastern Orthodox Church 14 years ago. Our prayers continue that all may be one, but the Church can't be united with those who edit and degrade Scripture. Maybe, finally, this convention will be the step too far for the faithful remnant. I pray it will. God Bless |
| Laymen | Posted: 2006/6/16 14:46 Updated: 2006/6/16 14:46 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � There is no doubt about it, the Episcopal/Anglican Communion is a church of heresy, looks like satan has high jacked some more territory.
1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. A song goes; “ I went to the enemies camp and I took back what he stole from me”, That needs to be heard at that convention. 2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. MGHM |
| Laymen | Posted: 2006/6/16 15:05 Updated: 2006/6/16 15:10 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as The bible is anti-sin, for example; Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Lord's Peace |
| DeaconC | Posted: 2006/6/16 16:31 Updated: 2006/6/16 16:31 |
Not too shy to talk Joined: 2006/6/7 From: Middle Haddam, CT Posts: 35 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � DnNeal posted: Quote:
What is keeping the traditionalists in that Conference hall? Have they become THAT desensitized to heresy? DnNeal, I so appreciate your postings as they are well thought out and quote the Early Church Fathers extensively - which ECUSA has so conveniently forgotten - and you make cogent arguments and comments. But I have to say, when you posted the above, I was shocked. The traditionalists - by thier very nature - will never leave the tradition because it is too scary outside of what they know, no matter how bad it gets. It is the same as with an abusive spouse: co-dependence. The one feeds the other and vice versa. It normally comes from ignorance or unrealistic hope all while the clergy of ECUSA have allowed their sheep to rot in the fields while they argue about how nice, how relevant, and how tolerant they can be. Better a millstone hung around thier neck... I grieve and pray for my friends still trapped in the web of the apostate ECUSA. I have clergy and lay people as friends that still cannot see the light for whatever reason, or have allied themselves with a conservative bishop thinking they are safe, or are just simply sticking it out in the hope that the last 40+ years of escalating spiritual corruption would simply vanish and they would have their beloved "frozen-chozen" church back. As was proven on Larry King with Robinson, et al, the conversation keeps shifting - as do all conversations with liberals in general. They start to lose ground and shift to a personal attack or take a left angled turn onto a different subject while they plan their defense. Now the big response has morphed to "did you chose to be heterosexual?" And of course going back to the literal Old Covenant proscribed behaviour and prescribed penalty, attempting to trap the adversary by bringing it into the current discussion about sin and grace. They have taken the well-worn cultic ploy of using the same words as we do, but with a different meaning (to them) simply to appear to be tolerant, loving, and ever spiritual - the typical RK Syndrome (Rodney King - "can't we all just get along?") So my brother, I was indeed shocked that you were surprised and questioning why they would stay, and what was holding them. Indeed I hope it was simply tongue-in-cheek. Blessings+ Dcn. Chic (ICCEC) |
| DnNeal | Posted: 2006/6/16 16:53 Updated: 2006/6/16 18:53 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � DeaconC,
Yes, it was tongue in cheek for the most part. I have to admit "shock" was part of my reason for writing it. It seemed so dramatic when the resolution of "condemning" Scripture was passed! I must admit being beyond appalled and even a little surprised that they would go that far openly. But with nothing really on the line of any value to revisionists except the loss of money and influence I shouldn't have been. Actually I have dialogued before on VOL about this "frog slowly cooking in the pan" ECUSA phenomenon before. If one of these revisionist resolutions would have even been spoken of at the beginning of an ancient Church Council it would have been met with shock, dismay, and immediate action. It would have been laughed to scorn. If something like these resolutions would somehow appear before a conference of an Orthodox Church everyone would be shocked. It would be dealt with promptly. No debate would be necessary. The presence of heretical views raises hackles immediately. ECUSA has lain in this theological mess for so long nothing shocks anymore. Perhaps I have forgotten just how insidious revisionism is since leaving ECUSA 10 years or so ago. When I try to remember back I can remember how wildly heretical and morally reprehensible decress from on high would be sloughed off as "inconsequential" only to be subtly integrated into Church life with new sunday School material or a new revision of the BCP. No, I can remember how easy it became to live in the muck and actually believe I wasn't when I think about it. But this seemed to be a line that even "mired in" traditionalists would respond to dramatically. Was there a thunderous "No" from anyone? Or was it merely met with an acquiescent, gentlemanly sigh? I hope something shocks traditionalists enough to thunder and move. Blessings, Neal |
| warmac9999 | Posted: 2006/6/16 18:52 Updated: 2006/6/16 18:52 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/2/16 From: Posts: 1463 |
Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as � Think you all might appreciate the following comment from a Jewish friend who read this article:
---------------------------------------------------- I'm afraid I can't follow "specifically" what scripture they are referring to. If the issue is "Can you or should you change G-d's word?" then one needs to recognize that G-d's "word" was spoken by many, e.g., Moses, Isaiah, Peter, Mark, Muhammad, etc., depending on your "beliefs." In Judaism similar debates ensue -- Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Progressive, Reconstuctionist. The latter-named ones are the believers who change The Word to suit their modern view of society -- eventually leaving G-d out of the matter entirely |
| ZachD | Posted: 2006/6/16 19:15 Updated: 2006/6/16 19:15 |
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Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as Whoa, Neal.
What you said gave me chills, there for a moment. Talk about your insideous and creeping evil. (Brrrreeechhht - shaking it off!) Now for Rootbranch: I applaud your position and strength. There is certainly room for you at the table. We need your action and passion. I caution you, however, to take your pain and revulsion to the foot of the cross for some depth forgiveness work - You will come out less enraged and more useful for all of us, and you will be less likely to BLOW A GASKET! In that would truly be a tragedy. My view differs from yours in this (and I have been asked to cool it as well): I wish very much to see the revisionist destroyers tossed out on their ears! Out you go - APOSTATE! AHHHH, so much for fantasy! |
| Anglophile | Posted: 2006/6/16 19:49 Updated: 2006/6/16 19:49 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/7/6 From: Rochester,NY Posts: 154 |
 Re: COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as �Clever! If the Bible is flawed in this area then it stands to reason that other areas are ripe with prejudice. So we already know how the revisionists have used "claim" of anti-female prejudice to re-write "theology" to their benefit. It is just a hop,skip and jump or should I say mincing prance to condemn it for anti-gay writings. Hey we wrote it we can re-write it to our needs and satisfaction. Can they get anymore silly and fatuous?
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| gregory | Posted: 2006/6/16 20:44 Updated: 2006/6/16 21:06 |
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