Can the Episcopal Church Survive?
By Hans Zeiger
Special to Virtueonline
JUne 1, 2006
The Episcopal Church in America is dying. A recent Gallup poll shows that Episcopals have the lowest weekly church attendance rate of any Christian denomination; only one in three Episcopalians go to church every week. Only the non-religious and Jews register lower religious service attendance than Episcopalians.
Gallup interviewed 11,000 adult Americans between 2002 and 2005 to find that 44 percent of Americans attend church weekly or almost weekly. Episcopals are not only far below the national average, they are far below the average for mainline Protestant denominations.
Episcopal in-house statistics tell the same story. In the Blue Book for the upcoming Episcopal Convention in Columbus, Ohio, the House of Deputies Committee on the State of the Church reports that total Average Sunday Worship Attendance is 795,765, which is about a third of the 2.2 million members of the Episcopal Church.
According to Thomas C. Reeves, author of The Empty Church: The Suicide of Liberal Christianity, nearly half of children who grow up in the Episcopal Church leave the church when they reach an age of decision. The average Episcopalian is much older than the average American, or even than the average churchgoer.
The Episcopal decline is not new, of course. Membership has been falling since 1970. A Gallup poll seventeen years ago showed that only 9 percent of Episcopalians considered their church "excellent," compared to 27 percent of Protestants in general.
Dr. Kirk Hadaway, director of research for the Episcopal Church Center, offers his analysis for the decline. According to the Blue Book, "In addressing the reasons for the loss of members since the 2003 General Convention, Dr. Hadaway said the explanation is complex and that the decline mirrors declines in all mainline churches over the last two years. At most, he said, a third could be attributed to the actions of General Convention. Perhaps of greater consequence is the fact that The Episcopal Church has the lowest birth rate and highest mean age of any mainline denomination, meaning that church growth must come through evangelism to the unchurched. Cultural trends (athletic and entertainment schedules, etc.) also have their effect on the size and vitality of local congregations."
In other words, the Episcopal Church is the most aging, stagnant denomination in American Protestantism today.
The excuse for poor church participation from Rev. Dr. William Sachs of the Episcopal Church Foundation is that the Episcopal Church body tends away from commitment. The church, he said, "is prone to attract people with less sense of being full-blown Episcopalians than simply participants in a particular congregation that happens to be Episcopal."
Sachs also indicated that the deep moral conflicts within the church may be damaging to church attendance. Most importantly, he said, people "want clear religious identity and clear, practical purpose."
Here Sachs contradicts his first point. If the Episcopal Church prides itself in participation without commitment, it cannot have identity or purpose. For all the openness boasted of by the liberal elite in the Episcopal Church, openness itself may be the church's main weakness.
Openness is a theme for several Presiding Bishop nominees, one of whom will likely be selected at the General Convention in Columbus, Ohio to lead the Episcopal Church for the next nine years.
The Rt. Rev. J. Neil Alexander, Bishop of Atlanta, told Louie Crew of Witness Magazine that "there really is room in the church for all of us, regardless of where we are on particular issues, regardless of where we are on the theological spectrum. If in fact we believe that we have all been died for, then there's a place for everyone of us."
In fact, the church requires exclusivity. Being a Christian requires much more than simply saying that Jesus died on one's behalf. It requires a total change of life and heart, a repentance from sin and a pursuit of holiness. The theological spectrum allowed by Bishop Alexander could include agnostics and violent fundamentalists. Orthodoxy sticks to a creed about which there can be little quibbling. There may be disagreements over some minor things, but orthodoxy does not occupy a vast spectrum. And anyhow, issues do matter. So said the majority of Anglican bishops from around the world who gathered at the last Lambeth Conference in 1998, when they made clear that homosexuality is unbiblical.
Unlike most Anglicans in the world, the Rt. Rev. Edwin F. Gulick, Bishop of Kentucky, holds aversion to standards other than openness. "The way that I see people primarily is as Baptized persons," Bishop Gulick told Crew. By that view, once a person is baptized, his actions and beliefs are irrelevant. Baptism is the permit to homosexual practice and any other practice one might imagine. Lacking any standard beyond baptism to measure righteousness, and lacking a sense of sin to measure guilt, there is no meaning for salvation or sanctification. Bishop Gulick stated his wish to keep his friendships with a conservative bishop in Africa and the homosexual Bishop of New Hampshire. "I have come to believe that you cannot arrange unity and justice hierarchically." To maintain church unity, Bishop Gulick would make temporary changes in the hopes that "justice" for homosexuals might be permanent.
If the church stands for homosexuals, what else does it stand for? According to the Rt. Rev. Katharine Jefferts Schori, Bishop of Nevada, "As a church we have got to be better self-differentiated. We have to decide what it is we are going to stand for and be clear about it, and then say 'these are the consequences.' Yes, Anglicans don't much like to do that, but we do do it about some things: We have over the years said don't believe in the death penalty. We have said that we don't believe that abortion is a good choice, but that it needs to be available. We stand up over and over again for social justice issues in the government. So we're able to be clear on some things even when there is a variety of opinion across the church."
So the church knows where it stands, at least according to Bishop Schori, on a handful of issues that are all...political. Indeed, not a single certainty listed by Bishop Schori is theological in nature. She lists the death penalty, abortion, and government issues. As for the Virgin Birth, the Divinity of Christ, the truth of Scripture, the existence of hell, the reality of sin-there is less agreement on those things among the liberal elite of the Episcopal Church. And so the church remains without the identity and purpose that Rev. Dr. Sachs says people desire.
To many in the Episcopal ruling class, the course for relevance was set in the Sixties and Seventies. Then purpose and identity seemed so clear, and all channels seemed open for a progressive future. In those years, John Hines was the Presiding Bishop, granting millions of dollars to multicultural agencies and black power groups. Seminary students were slackers and draft dodgers. Thousands attended the Hair Mass at New York's Episcopal Cathedral of St. John the Divine, listening to Harvey Cox, eating fast food, taking communion with Jews. Counter-cultural baptismal services were held, the nightclub performing priest Malcolm Boyd called for the end of the established church, and women and gays took the priesthood by the late Seventies. At Dick York's ordination at Berkeley's Episcopal Church, hippies were told after the rock band had finished that "God is Doing His Thing."
But the pipe dreams of the Sixties turned out to be less gleeful than once imagined. The Episcopal Church, instead of attracting members by its laxity of standards, has kept people from coming to church more effectively than any other Christian denomination.
What's especially troubling is the lingering thought among Episcopal radicals that effectiveness and relevance depends upon progressivism. The church, we are told, is not yet progressive enough. In 1995, the Episcopal priest Alexander Seabrook said, "every time that we ordain someone who is not a heterosexual white male we gain hundreds of new members." Widespread though that delusion may be among the Leftist elite of the church, the facts do not bear it out. As the Episcopal Church has become more and more open and permissive, membership has declined rather than grown. After the 2003 General Convention at which a homosexual was approved as a bishop, thousands of priests and laymen left the church.
But the Episcopal Left plows forward in its raw determination to change society. And in its very determination to change society it precludes the desired change. As it pushes harder for change it weakens. The progressive strategy of the ruling class in the Episcopal Church is hardly the spiritual populism of Billy Graham or Rick Warren. It aims for a worldly populism with effects chiefly in the political realm, and because it is little different from the world itself, the Episcopal Church may be summed up in one word: boredom.
And thus the Episcopal Church is dying. It has become a place for politics instead of faith. The young aren't interested in going to an Episcopal Church because it is easier to live faithlessly outside of church. Men aren't interested in going to an Episcopal Church because it is so feminized, and for the same reason, weak, that a Sunday watching football is far more exciting.
"Weigh the benefits," writes Thomas C. Reeves, "Sunday with the family at the beach or in church listening to a sermon on AIDS; working for overtime wages or enduring pious generalities about 'dialoging,' 'inclusion,' and 'sharing and caring'; studying for exams or hearing that the consolations and promises of the Bible are not 'really' or 'literally' true; entering a race to raise funds for disadvantaged children or sitting through pleas for federal health insurance; shopping at the mall or hearing about the wickedness of anti-abortion demonstrators; reading the newspaper or being harangued about racism and sexism."
The 2006 Episcopal General Convention presents a choice between faith and politics, between relevance and boredom, between the life and death of a great old denomination. The Episcopal Church can wither away, the victim of momentary passions on convention floors and watered-down services and a neglected Bible, or the Church can have new leadership and a renewed identity. Let us pray against what G.K. Chesterton, in his Ballad of the White Horse, phrased "a mass book mildewed, line by line."
---Hans Zeiger 22, is a conservative activist, reporter and columnist from Puyallup, Washington. He writes a column that appears in RenewAmerica, the Seattle Sentinel, WorldNetDaily.com, GOPUSA.com, OpinionEditorials.com, and numerous other publications. He is also the author of two books and VOL's writer/reporter for General Convention 2006 in Columbus, Ohio.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/1 0:57 Updated: 2006/6/1 0:57 |
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Webmaster, with all due respect, this article has a lot of technical errors.
I think you're being punished for censoring Esso. jotv ![]() |
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| MarkP | Posted: 2006/6/1 2:50 Updated: 2006/6/1 2:50 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/11/11 From: Diocese of El Camino Real Posts: 319 |
26 The LORD said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake." Genesis 18:26 NIV
And if the righteous return to ECUSA, God will not only spare ECUSA but bless the Church with renew fervor. So many times, even orthodox people think themselves more powerful or wise than God. In this regard, we are as much at fault as the liberals. If two or three people gather in a liberal Congregation to pray and fellowship together, God will use their presence to transform the Congregation. We only have to be patient enough to let the process work out in God's time--not on man's timeline. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/1 3:15 Updated: 2006/6/1 3:15 |
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Can the Episcopal Church Survive? NO.
Will God fairing fractions remain? Yes BHTech |
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/1 3:26 Updated: 2006/6/1 3:27 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
BHTech, you're right....ECUSA can't survive. Things have gone too far for that to happen, and it's too late! There'll be hangers-on still in the Church, but I won't be among them! I will be with my orthodox Anglican brothers and sisters of the new Anglican province when....not if....it's created!
Cennydd |
| morrismpls | Posted: 2006/6/1 11:17 Updated: 2006/6/1 11:18 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/1/4 From: Posts: 496 |
The Episcopal Church will survive. Even the wacky "Liberal Catholic Church" has survived. The question will be, how long will the UU clergy hang on when they run out of dead men's money? It certainly won't be as much fun.
The diocese of Minnesota never had huge amounts of endowed funds anyways and thanks to the brave prophetic leadership of a bishop in the same league as Swing, the unrestricted money is 90%+ gone just to plug the shortfalls in the diocesan budget. I remember the bishop proclaiming at our 2003 diocesan convention in the fall after the GC, "You just can't buy publicity like this." He was right. The most recent figures from the Red Book from the Episcopal Church showed our diocese had the 3rd largest drop in Average Sunday Attendance from 2003 to 2004 of 7%. They keep trying to "reinvent" themselves because they think their failure isn't the liberal politics they try to foist on everyone because of their "prophetic calling," rather it's the fact they haven't gotten their message communicated effectively. The problem is, they got more than enough communication about what the ECUSA was about from GC2003 and people started running for the doors. Sadly I was there volunteering at GC2003. I hadn't quite awakened to the utter depth of error they fomented. I thought Spong was an aberration. In my naive way I thought it would be really exciting and enriching. It was horrifying. The litanies, the sermons were all new age BS. I wonder if any more than half the clergy believe Jesus actually rose from the dead. This is quickly becoming Satan's church. They conspire against Christ and His cross because they know it is their defeat. They are reaping the whirlwind. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/1 12:25 Updated: 2006/6/1 12:25 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
They were warned, and now they're about to suffer the consequences.
Cennydd |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2006/6/1 12:35 Updated: 2006/6/1 12:35 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/7/3 From: Posts: 1094 |
Can ECUSA Survive? As what? It is already a mere shell of what it once was. Perhaps it will shrink from walnut shell size down to peanut shell size.
Judgment is coming. For some, it already is here. |
| chalice | Posted: 2006/6/1 13:09 Updated: 2006/6/1 13:09 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/1/12 From: Posts: 99 |
Sachs also indicated that the deep moral conflicts within the church may be damaging to church attendance.
Not only are people affected by deep moral conflicts, they are sick and tired of the politics. Quite frankly, the politics are almost worse than the moral conflicts themselves and virtually EVERYONE is getting sick of it. Talk of 'continuing dialogue' is, in itself, a good reason to leave the Episcopal Church. As the overwhelming majority of Anglicans around the world would assert -- There are some things that are not even worthy of discussion. On another note, there are those sitting in our pews who honestly believe that the 'god' of secular humanism and the 'God' of the Bible are the same thing. Take a look at the characteristics of secular humanism -- better yet, read The Humanist Manifestos -- an incredible description of the ECUSA. The ECUSA has essentially denied a Creator God who brought all things into being. They have rejected that God imbued his creation with order and purpose. Indeed, this lies at the very heart of the homosexual debate -- there is NO God who created male and female in accord with any purpose or design ... so we can just ignore this. The goal of the ECUSA vis-a-vis the individual is for each man, woman and child to reach their maximum self-actualization. The ECUSA denies the very existence of Absolute Truth, dismissing a normative ethic for the secularists' ethical realtivism. And the ECUSA's concern for 'justice' is not Biblical, but in law, politics and economics, their position is in total alignment with secular humanism. The ECUSA embraces secular humanism and aspects of socialism and cloaks it under the guise of God and Christians across this country haven't a clue. And it's just getting worse and worse and worse. In fact, if you'll search out the data, you will discover that even professing Christians (born-again; evangelical) do NOT appeal to Biblical principles in making moral decisions. Only about 12% of adults, and 5% of teens appeal to the Bible in discerning moral truth. Rather, they appeal to what 'feels right' and what provides ' personal benefit.' The problem is that this is precisely what our people are being taught in the church -- and then they go away believing that they are truly dedicated Christians who have received salvation through Jesus Christ. At least the professed secular humanists are willing to acknowledge that they don't believe in God. But to take secular humanism and mask it in the guise of Christianity is blasphemous. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/1 15:01 Updated: 2006/6/1 15:02 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
There is more true Faith in the inerrant Word of God on the head of a pin than in the minds of all of the so-called Post-Modernist revisionists put together! Their Day of Judgment is nearer than they think!
Cennydd |
| warmac9999 | Posted: 2006/6/1 21:44 Updated: 2006/6/1 21:45 |
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I think a better question is why should the ECUSA survive? Frankly, it ought to be replaced by an Anglican Orthodox Church of America. If Rowan Williams had any courage at all, he would have thrown the ECUSA out of the Anglican Communion and told Tony Blair and company that the Church of England and the rest of Christianity deplored homosexual marriage whatever the form. Instead, he will bear witness to the end of the Anglican communion and the loss of the ECUSA. (A small and inconsequential man without the conviction that he was positioned to enforce by whatever means and he had God as his means.)
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/1 23:06 Updated: 2006/6/1 23:06 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Warmac, this is one of those times for me to speak up....regardless of the "boycott."
I agree with you, and in fact, those of you who know me on this blog are well-aware of the fact that an "Anglican Orthodox Church of America" must be created out of the pitiful remains of the Episcopal Church! I have stressed this over the past three years, and it is becoming more and more apparent that this must be done in order to give refuge to those faithful Anglican Christians who have been deserted by the Church of their forefathers....a Church which was once widely-respected by so many, and now unfortunately disgraced by so few....those who have deliberately and forcefully hijacked the Church in the name of "inclusion and social justice." And the result is a Church in its death throes. There: I said I wasn't going to pull any punches....and I didn't! Cennydd |
| rturner | Posted: 2006/6/2 0:32 Updated: 2006/6/2 0:32 |
Webmaster ![]() ![]() Joined: 2003/12/31 From: Northern Virginia Posts: 92 |
Boycott? You've got to be kidding. Who do you think you're hurting here? Natural abhors a void. Boycott if you wish - but only because it's working for you.
VOL will attract 3,000,000 visitors this year, is indexed by Google News and has a news digest that reaches the corners of the globe and nearly 100,000 people each week. The News comments and forum threads are here for you to state your case, but as I've said before, opinions are rarely changed because of someone else's opinion in a thread. Don't take all this tavern-like conversation so seriously. -Robert webmaster, VOL webmaster@virtueonline.org |
| RalphM | Posted: 2006/6/2 1:41 Updated: 2006/6/2 1:41 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/12/13 From: Posts: 77 |
Sorry Robert,
Thought it was about truth, not numbers. Sometimes truth is messy - sometimes it's distasteful. As an adult, I've become able to deal with truth without worrying about what others think. Let's not talk about reality - let's be ECUSA. RalphM |
| rturner | Posted: 2006/6/2 2:24 Updated: 2006/6/2 2:24 |
Webmaster ![]() ![]() Joined: 2003/12/31 From: Northern Virginia Posts: 92 |
Of course it's about truth - that's why we're here.
I quote the numbers to make the point that a boycott of the news section has no purpose. People read this site because of the article content not because of Esso's (or anyone else's) comments. And of course the truth is messy - it's a nasty fight we're in; but that doesn't mean that this site has to become a pig sty. -Robert |
| angseeker | Posted: 2006/6/2 2:40 Updated: 2006/6/2 2:40 |
Not too shy to talk ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/6/1 From: Posts: 32 |
From Cennydd: "I agree with you, and in fact, those of you who know me on this blog are well-aware of the fact that an "Anglican Orthodox Church of America" must be created out of the pitiful remains of the Episcopal Church"
As a relative newcomer to the Episcopal Church, I have a question? If the ECUSA splits, what happens to the congregations that leave? Do they get custody of their buildings, or will most of the Episcopal churches where I live be empty while the congregations go back to meeting in houses and storefronts? It would be sad if we lost our beautiful new building and preschool. It would be sadder if we stayed ECUSA because we couldn't afford to buy the land from them. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/2 3:49 Updated: 2006/6/2 3:49 |
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Robert you said "People read this site because of the article content not because of Esso's (or anyone else's) comments."
********** I must respectfully disagree with your comment here Robert. It is not correct to say that people [solely] read the VOL site for article content because 1) Several of the articles can be found elsewhere on other Christian sites and 2) People would like to know what others think about the situations, parishes and/or person(s) involved in the respective articles. The latter point is of special importance as several of our readers are or were members of particular places and instutions and as such are priviledge sometimes to useful information. 3) Several of our posters are active priests who bring many a useful theological background and insight into many articles as well. Like many VOL readers I read articles but mostly comments by other posters long before I decided to jump into the fray to add my two cents. I am sure others with testify to this as well. God Bless BHTech |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/6/2 5:44 Updated: 2006/6/2 5:44 |
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Dear Robert Turner,
Just to let you know - ecusa IS a pig sty - if we are not willing to name it as such and just turn away, hide our eyes, sweep the problem under the rug, deny that it exists, swallow the platitudes spewing forth from the offices of the revisionists and hope that all will be back to normal after GCxxxx then we are terribly deluded. I'm praying for you, dear sir, that you will be strong and courageous in your faith and are willing to rake the pig sty muck of ecusa into the drain. Yours in Xrist I remain, Giovanni ![]() |
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/6/2 12:43 Updated: 2006/6/2 12:43 |
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Dear Mr Webmaster,
While your statement is obviously true on the face of it, have you considered the secondary consequences of merely "reporting the news"? Once somnambulent Episcopalians have read the truth, perhaps for the first time, they will need to know what to make of it. Get serious for a moment! These people have been asleep at the moral wheel for forty years -- they are in no position suddenly to make correct and wise choices. Further, they are obviously deeply affected by the modern propaganda techniques, as ably explicated by the Rev'd Dr F. Earle Fox at http://roadtoemmaus.org. If mere truth were sufficient, they would not have been brainwashed or duped in the first place. The role played by Esso, and even my pugnacious self, is to re-normalize the disgust people once felt toward the homosexual act and the many other perversions practiced by ECUSA. This is a necessary and unpleasant part of the "deprogramming" process, as mentioned even in some of your news articles here. (C.f., "After the Ball".) There is also the concept of encouragement to be considered. Esso speaks his truth openly and, until you came down like a ton of bricks, without fear of repression. He literally gave courage to others to speak out where they were too afraid before. Do not underestimate the power of righteous encouragement! Forgive me, but I see no difference between your actions and those of the Politically Correct who infest ECUSA, academe, and small-minded bureaucracies everywhere and who use their power to control otherwise free speech. I am a former small-time newspaperman myself. I have suffered the horror of a newspaper burning at my university, Penn State, in the spring of 1992. Nexis it -- there are hundreds of stories about us inevery major newspaper in the USA and beyond. Let me tell you that our Nazi-jackboot-moment was preceded by lesser attemepts to prevent not only my freedom of speech, of the press and of assembly, but because I gave voice to Christians (I was then unchurched but sympathetic), to the freedom of religion and the free expression thereof. Robert, while Esso's FACTUAL and TRUTHFULL descriptions ACCURATELY describe the true nature of the acts currently endorsed by ECUSA, they are of course REPULSIVE to normal people. But that's the point -- and the cause of our current disaster. Robert, I thought you and David were a stronger, more wilfull team of spiritual warriors, not given to using the tactics of your enemies against your allies. Please do not prove me wrong. Invite Esso back, find an acceptable compromise for the sqeamish Blue Hairs. But Do Not Quash the Truth as Does Charles Bennison and Frank Griswold. You will be no better than them if you do. Joseph A Ames Jr MBA, MS Malvern (Philadelphia), Pennsylvania |
| gregory | Posted: 2006/6/2 14:09 Updated: 2006/6/2 14:29 |
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Christ did NOT come to extinguish our passions but to inflame them with His spark of Life.
"If this is not a time for righteous indignation and wrath, I don't know when would be such a time! In a few weeks, GC will be over and ECUSA lost." i have just begun to fight ... gregory ![]() ps it is true that donations to VOL can be gotten back if a credit card was used, just contact your credit card company. ![]() ===================== The following addresses had delivery problems: <webmaster@virtueonline.org> Permanent Failure: Other address status Delivery last attempted at Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:25:24 -0000 <david@virtueonline.org> Permanent Failure: Other address status Delivery last attempted at Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:25:24 -0000 |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/6/4 2:10 Updated: 2006/6/4 2:17 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Angseekr, you asked some good questions, and I don't think there's an easy answer to them. I'll ask you this question: Since the early Church met in people's homes, are you prepared to do that if necessary?
Any formal split in the Church would, I hope, be accompanied by some sort of "divorce" proceedings, whereby some sort of property settlement would be included, and I assume this would have to go through the courts. The alternative might be to just let the departing parishes "go in peace, and let them take their properties with them." That would be the Christian thing to do, but unfortunately, the past performance of ECUSA's liberal bishops makes that doubtful. Now I ask this question: How important are buildings and trappings to you? Yes, I know that we become "attached" to the buildings in which we are married and in which our children are baptized and confirmed, but are they really that important? The Church is people, not buildings! Cennydd |
| angseeker | Posted: 2006/6/5 0:45 Updated: 2006/6/5 0:46 |
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Thank you for your reply, Cennydd.
Our church was planted less than 10 years ago and has done so much to bless our community. My family has been involved with this church for about 2 years, and left our home church of another denomination to attend this one within the last year. I truly believe that we (the church) have been blessed because we have been faithful to God's Word. Our pastor has taken the stand that no matter what happens at the convention, we will be faithful to God and that God will take care of us in His own way as long as we continue to bless Him. |
























