News : WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face petition for indictment
PRELATES WHO INSTALLED GAY BISHOP FACE PETITION TO INDICT UNDER CHURCH LAW
WASHINGTON, DC (04/12/06) - Episcopal laymen launched a national petition drive today to bring to church trial 35 bishops involved in the installation of a practicing homosexual bishop in New Hampshire, including the new bishop. Its purpose is to determine, in formal trials, the standing of church law, doctrine and practice, the sponsor said.
The bishops were asked in a letter last week from Lay Episcopalians for the Anglican Communion (LEAC), petition sponsor, to announce by April 28 their response to the group's request that they recant, repent, resign or retire. Copies of the letter were subsequently mailed to 40 bishops who opposed Bishop V. Gene Robinson's approval. The petitions will be presented to the opposing bishops, encouraging a prompt start in the church's "presentment" (indictment) procedures.
Bishop Robinson's approval for consecration by the denomination's 2003 general convention was among "gay agenda" items adopted which led to disarray among American Episcopalians and disrupted their affiliation with the worldwide Anglican Communion.
The convention votes and later consecration of Robinson divided the U.S. province and led to de facto suspension of the 2 million-member Episcopal church from the communion's Consultative Council, the operating arm. All of the denomination's dioceses and churches are now in varying states of broken or impaired communion with foreign primates whose communicants comprise about 75% of the 78 million Anglicans in the international church. Outright division of the province from the communion is expected by most observers at or following the 2006 general convention in Columbus, Ohio, in June.
"Our purpose is to demonstrate the gravity of unilateral (non-communion) actions already taken to advance a gay agenda in our American church. The homosexual thrust is real, aggressive and largely influenced by a shadow gay-lesbian-transgender hierarchy of bishops, priests and laypeople. The most persistent campaigner for accelerating the gay agenda in the Episcopal church is Integrity, a 30-year-old homosexual activist organization believed to comprise much less than one per cent of the national church. "
An atmosphere of doubt and confusion has been deliberately created. We will ask for official judicial determination in America of the validity of the Scriptural and canonical rules we have always lived by," LEAC said. "These canonical presentments would help to clear the air, and we pray for prompt action by bishops who opposed Bishop Robinson's consecration and who oppose the radical gay agenda in our church."
LEAC said prospective initiating bishops of the presentment (indictment) have been made aware of LEAC's petition program. Canons require 10 bishops as complainants against bishops.
The sponsor said American Episcopal churches are inclusive in their membership, welcoming members of differing sexuality preferences, but there are clear Scriptural and operating prohibitions concerning ordainment of priests practicing homosexual lifestyles, "and certainly bishops are covered in that category," the release said.
Bishop Robinson and his former wife and mother of his children divorced. He later met his homosexual partner.
"There is a great chasm. We believe our church judicial system should determine just where we stand canonically, for there is no doubt where our rank-and-file stands spiritually. That our beloved church was hijacked by gay agenda promoters in 2003 must not be confused with the popular will of Episcopalians, which is predominantly in line with the worldwide Anglican Communion's positions. We need to get judicial interpretations and then proceed to determine whether the chasm dividing our faith can be closed through reconciliation and negotiation," the release said.
Internet participation will be the largest component of the petition drive, LEAC said, supplemented by members in parishes throughout the nation advancing the campaign with petition forms. LEAC's website: www.layepiscopal.org "Our goal is to have petitioners from every diocese and every parish," a press release said.
Thirty-five bishops participated in Bishop Robinson's consecration at several levels of involvement, including Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold as chief consecrator.
--LEAC is a nonprofit, tax-exempt corporation. It is a national advocacy organization faithful to the authority of Christian Scripture and the Anglican Communion.
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| essodalori | Posted: 2006/4/13 12:54 Updated: 2006/4/13 12:54 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
 Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p"The most persistent campaigner for accelerating the gay agenda in the Episcopal church is Integrity, a 30-year-old homosexual activist organization believed to comprise much less than one per cent of the national church. "
--- When the head of Integrity, Louie Crew, is writing poems about 'crotch perfume' and 'Adam's balls' and posting them on his website, and yet is an ECUSick honcho, you know the church has been enveloped in a huge putrid stink. I've long believed that the only thing which can save ECUSick (and the Anglican Communion), is for real, normal, Christian men to stand up and NOT tolerate the sodomite agenda. The world is filled with good men. Once awakened, they will do what they have to do. |
| DnNeal | Posted: 2006/4/13 13:40 Updated: 2006/4/13 13:40 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/9/26 From: Tennessee Posts: 1302 |
Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p Esso,
I don't know how much influence this group has or how far this will go but you are dead on. I hope they take this to the end. That they are confronting this "den of thieves" (theological, spiritual, moral thieves) in such a bold and decisive manner is glorious. In a real sense they are fighting on this front for all traditionalists. May God prosper this work and defend it! Neal |
| essodalori | Posted: 2006/4/13 13:48 Updated: 2006/4/13 13:48 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p Hey Neal,
Thanks. It's a MAN's job to lead his family, and that includes with regard to moral and spiritual matters. It's time for men to wake up and take on the responsibilities which are theirs. One of the greatest is to protect their children from lies and evil. With Christian love, Essodalori |
| DnNeal | Posted: 2006/4/13 13:56 Updated: 2006/4/13 13:56 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/9/26 From: Tennessee Posts: 1302 |
Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p Esso,
You're welcome and amen to that! I just read the editorial in the new Touchstone Magazine by James Hitchcock, a Roman Catholic theologian. It is about the ECUSA scandal and has some great points to make. It is not yet available online but it is worth reading. When it becomes available (if it does) I will post it here for everyone. I am eager to hear how this story proceeds. Holy Week blessings to you and your family! Neal |
| Godislove | Posted: 2006/4/13 14:06 Updated: 2006/4/13 14:06 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/2/6 From: Posts: 221 |
Pity Them You can't help but feel sorry for these agitated, angry malcontents. There is no joy in them, as they feed on the hatred of others. Please, for your own sake, find God, find love, and get over yourselves. I am sincerely praying for your salvation.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/4/13 14:15 Updated: 2006/4/13 14:15 |
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Re: Pity Them "You can't help but feel sorry for these agitated, angry malcontents."
*********** How true Godislove (Fr_Steve). We do feel sorry for you in your anger and agitation. Hang in there, it will pass. BHTech |
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| essodalori | Posted: 2006/4/13 14:23 Updated: 2006/4/13 14:23 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
Re: Pity Them "There is no joy in them, as they feed on the hatred of others. Please, for your own sake, find God, find love, and get over yourselves. I am sincerely praying for your salvation."
--- Nonsense, Godislove (aka Steve). I'm full of joy - the kind that comes from trying my hardest to live a Godly life, and to repent of sin, and to follow God's loving morality - all of which has filled my life with every blessing. No one here, as you well know, hates anyone. Hate is wanting the worst for the other. Chastity, for instance, would save the lives of millions of those into sodomy, and help them seek sexual normalcy. That's love. You are indifferent to sexual sin. That's not hate, but it is the absence of love. I hope to see you in heaven, but repentance is required. It's loving to tell you that. With Christian love, Essodalori |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/4/13 14:23 Updated: 2006/4/13 15:49 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p It looks to me like LEAC is loaded for bear, and they're going after those bishops, but good! If they want me to sign a petition, I'll do it....in a heartbeat!
 Cennydd P.S.: I just signed it online, after going back to re-read the article. P.P.S: A bit of a rewrite here: I encourage everyone to sign the petition. It only takes a few minutes of your time, and is well worth the effort! |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/4/13 14:23 Updated: 2006/4/13 14:23 |
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Re: Pity Them I signed the petition online. How about it godis..Steve, sign up.
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| frcochran | Posted: 2006/4/13 14:23 Updated: 2006/4/13 14:23 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/6/28 From: Posts: 544 |
Re: Pity Them I commend the LEAC folks for their efforts. They are probably correct that the so-called Integrity people make up less than 1% of ECUSA, but the problem is that the General Convention Delegates are stacked in Integrity's favor.
The "I will sit back and let someone else handle these problems" mentality has led to Integrity and the other revisionist groups to be the ones to take care of those problems. It is putting the fox in charge of hen house security. Furthermore, revisionism has been so pervasive for the past several decades that there are many who call themselves "orthodox and traditional," and they haven't a clue as to what those words mean. I have heard and read people saying that there are ordained women who are catholic!!!! This is revisionist theology unknown in the catholic faith. John+ PS Steve/Godislove, have you made up with your parents yet? |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/4/13 15:31 Updated: 2006/4/13 15:31 |
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Re: Pity Them GOD IS LOVE AND STEVE ACCORDING TO SCHIZOPHRENIC BLOGGER
By Joseph Uvthevali—Special Report based on public medical records obtained from ECUSA headquarters—815 Second Avenue, New York, New York—Moments Ago According to medical records made public by the Freedom of Information Act, a blogger known variously as Father Steve, Godislove, or simply Steve is in fact a defrocked schizophrenic Episcopal priest who now works full-time as a homosexual activist since he was exposed as a two-timing cross dresser several years ago. The story made news in the trendy Episcopal Church, an American pseudo-Christian cult which doubles as a Marxist social club, when the blogger recently changed his Internet username to Godisaconsumingfire, based on Hebrews 12:29. A spokesman for ECUSA, Dr. Louie Crew, says that the anonymous blogger and his friends do not consider the passage in the epistle to the Hebrews to be part of Holy Scripture—that they disregard all biblical references to God as a judge—so Godislove, Steve and/or Godisaconsumingfire has (have) completely lost his (their) mind(s) because the personality characteristics are irreconcilable. Details are still being sorted out, but schizophrenic patients throughout New York were said to be clamoring about the rumor that one of their own believes in the love of God as well as His righteous attributes. “Steve is having some problems finding himself,” said Crew. “But a few of us are going to get together tonight with some Brazilian teenagers to try to cheer him up.” jotv  |
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| polyphemos | Posted: 2006/4/13 15:38 Updated: 2006/4/13 15:38 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/6/29 From: και Θηος δη μεχανη Posts: 630 |
Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p .
Tonto sign up, too, Quimesabe. T & LR  |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/4/13 15:52 Updated: 2006/4/13 15:52 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Re: Pity Them Frcochran, these bishops should take a good long look at their consecration vows....better yet, the vows in the 1928 BCP.
Cennydd |
| ahauber | Posted: 2006/4/13 16:22 Updated: 2006/4/13 16:22 |
Just can't stay away   Joined: 2006/3/5 From: Georgia Posts: 149 |
Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p ESSO,
You were dead-on with your first post on this thread. "I've long believed that the only thing which can save ECUSick (and the Anglican Communion), is for real, normal, Christian men to stand up and NOT tolerate the sodomite agenda." The petitions won't make any difference at this convention unless the belivers in the pews "stand up" and take their church back. We have all been guilty of sitting back and letting the church's political process run things for us. Sometimes we think we're being spiritual by letting the 'higher powers' take care of things, but it was just being irrisponsible. The petitions by themselves won't be effective because it's the same group of people who will be voting on the same issues and it will have the same results. Remember the survey that LEAC ran last month. Griswold told the bishops not to respond to it. So, the results they got were just from those bishops who are not that fond of the PB and only a few of them said they would change. I commend LEAC for this action. Great move, I wouldn't have thought of it. Lets pray that the commotion caused by these petitions will raise enough alarm to awaken those good men that you spoke of to do what they have to do. And, thanks for your posts, ESSO, sometimes you make my day. Andy |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/4/13 16:33 Updated: 2006/4/13 16:33 |
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Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p godi_steve's prayers for other people are meaningless since he believes that homosodomy is something Godly. His prayers are but obfuscatory babblings of someone who is lost in their own depravity and wallowing in their own preeminence, like a pig that wallows in the mudpit.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/4/13 16:40 Updated: 2006/4/13 16:40 |
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Re: Pity Them Frcochran,
The conflicted and conflicting obfuscatory babblings of godi_steve reveals a tortured soul that tries to reconcile homosodomy with Godly living. The prospects of that happening are nil. Giovanni |
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/4/13 16:43 Updated: 2006/4/13 16:43 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p Andy, I agree with your comments. You're right in saying that these petitions won't make much difference at General Convention unless the "believers in the pews" stand up and make their voices and opinions heard. That's what these petitions are designed to do, in my opinion. It would be nice if they did result in presentments, but we know that this isn't very likely to happen. Given the current climate in the House of Bishops, it's just like whistling into the breeze. The House of Deputies, though, is another story. If they see that we really mean business, and that we won't tolerate any foolishness on their part, we might get some movement.
It's certainly good to be hopeful, but to be quite frank, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for something positive to happen. With the LBGTQ crowd and their toadies in both Houses controlling things, I don't hold out much hope....although I certainly do support LEAC's efforts and didn't hesitate to sign their online petition. Cennydd |
| melora20 | Posted: 2006/4/13 18:37 Updated: 2006/4/13 18:37 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/27 From: Southern Indiana Posts: 227 |
Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p Supposing that it comes to a trial, who will be making the judgement? Other revisionists? I doubt that much could come of such a trial in a denomination which never defrocked Bishops such as Pike and Spong.
I write this sadly. I applaud this effort, but I'm afraid that it is too late. |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2006/4/13 18:42 Updated: 2006/4/13 18:46 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/7/3 From: Posts: 1095 |
Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p Perhaps they should all be sued in civil court on the larger issues for having committed a fraud on the laity in continuing in their positions after having abandoned the faith.
OR Perhaps that should be part of the defense when they sue their own parishes in the civil courts over property rights. C |
| DnNeal | Posted: 2006/4/13 19:02 Updated: 2006/4/13 19:03 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/9/26 From: Tennessee Posts: 1302 |
Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p melora20
As I've thought about it over the day I suspect you're right. Bold, decisive, and late. Do you think there is any chance the orthodox bishops might stand up and in a united front and make some real noise? Maybe to draw a clear united line that no one could possibly misunderstand? At least this could shake things up in dramatic fashion and if ECUSA goes down it wouldn't be without a real donnybrook. That would be in the spirit and dignity of such folks as St. Athanasius, St. Basil, Thomas More, and Martin Luther. If the bishops dont' I'm sure the laity is going to. GC2006 is coming fast. Neal |
| PJLILL | Posted: 2006/4/13 19:36 Updated: 2006/4/13 19:36 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/7/21 From: Alberta Posts: 310 |
Re: Pity Them Quote:
You can't help but feel sorry for these agitated, angry malcontents. There is no joy in them, as they feed on the hatred of others. Please, for your own sake, find God, find love, and get over yourselves. I am sincerely praying for your salvation. Quote: Do you not see that your uncle is weary of your malcontent... your war-mongering?" — Grima Wormtongue Am I the only one to notice a passing resemblance? I can't hear the word 'malcontent' used in that way without thinking of LoTR and Grima...... |
| DnNeal | Posted: 2006/4/13 19:55 Updated: 2006/4/13 19:56 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/9/26 From: Tennessee Posts: 1302 |
Re: Pity Them PJLILL
Great connection. Tolkien was a genius. I often remember Gollum but also Grima and Theoden when I hear revisionists call "good evil and evil good". It is true that after so long clutching that ring of power (sin) folks can no longer see clearly. Black look white. There is much to pity. Neal |
| Carson | Posted: 2006/4/14 2:37 Updated: 2006/4/14 2:37 |
Not too shy to talk  Joined: 2005/8/30 From: Gainesville Texas Posts: 31 |
LEAC/Godislove This seems to be a well organized group with a solid agenda, possibly too late. But I signed the petition.
Group, don't be too hard on Godislove. Treat him with respect, and answer with reason. I am a correspondent in another, liberal discussion about Episcopalianism. I am pleased when the liberals don't treat my posts with knee-jerk emotionalism. Grant in Texas God's peace this Maundy Thursday |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/4/14 2:52 Updated: 2006/4/14 2:52 |
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Re: LEAC/Godislove Peace be with you Carson,
I think most people would treat Fr_Steve with respect if he showed some respect for others as well. This is not to say its an eye for an eye here, but rather most people would dialogue with Fr_Steve if he would do the same. However, he frequently doesn't and leaves himself at times open to ridicule. I think this frustrates people and Fr_Steve takes delight in it. Let me ask you a question or two. On your discussions with liberals do you have serious conversations with them and I include theological ones? With so much revisionism with the liberals how do you tolerate it personally? Happy Easter and God Bless BHTech |
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| gregory | Posted: 2006/4/14 11:44 Updated: 2006/4/14 11:57 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/8/4 From: Nflorida Posts: 4436 |
Re: LEAC --> SIGN PETITION Where the battle rages,
there the loyalty of the soldier is proved. -- Martin Luther Lay Episcopalians for the Anglican Communion TRUTH + CLARITY + COURAGE = JOY LEAC's website: www.layepiscopal.org "Our goal is to have petitioners from every diocese and every parish," a press release said. http://www.layepiscopal.org/petition2.php Did you sign petition online??? http://www.layepiscopal.org/petition2.php  ***Click here to Download Petitions for Distribution *** Download and Print for the people who are not online. Several elderly i know have requested the hard copy to sign. |
| gregory | Posted: 2006/4/14 11:58 Updated: 2006/4/14 11:58 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/8/4 From: Nflorida Posts: 4436 |
Re: LEAC --> SIGN PETITION Mission
During the present crisis in our American Episcopal Church, we will help passive, faithful Episcopalians (“the silent middle 80%”) know and understand the gravity of radical Episcopal bishops’ offenses against Our Lord and His Scripture, and we will attempt to protect them from further non-Christian incursions by those and other revisionists. In order to prepare caring, committed Episcopalians to assist in saving our church within the Christian bond of the worldwide Anglican Communion, we will provide educational opportunities and make known to them the agenda of our theological adversaries. Goals To preserve for future American generations a strong, honorable, vibrant, inclusive Christian Episcopal Church in which God’s word once delivered is observed with reverence and obedience under the final authority of our holy Christian Scripture, while always being on guard against non-Christian revisionists. |
| gregory | Posted: 2006/4/14 11:59 Updated: 2006/4/14 11:59 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/8/4 From: Nflorida Posts: 4436 |
Re: LEAC --> SIGN PETITION Less Talk, More Education, More Action
One of the reasons LEAC was started is the endless circular cycles of rhetoric, hashing and rehashing the critical issues in the divided church. There was lots of talk, but little progress. For most of the people in the pews it all seemed like a long, repetitive debate, droning on and on. The revisionist side and the orthodox side had reasons not to make all-out frontal assaults on the other’s positions. At the national level there were no lawsuits or canonical presentments, and no national leaders made forceful claims that “guilty” bishops should recant, repent, resign or retire. The action phase is long overdue, when there will be demands for immediate steps toward reconciliation or resignation. Both sides have dug in on non-negotiable positions, of course, so it will be left to the Holy Spirit to show leaders the way of reconciliation. Since, the revisionist side is the one encroaching on Scripture’s absolute teachings on key matters at issue, many observers believe the Presiding Bishop and his fellow revisionist leaders have more negotiating room. More in-depth education on these matters needs to reach the pews, now largely too uninformed, averse to discordant dialogue, and too comfortable, clubby and/or politically correct. LEAC plans to create an information flow that will stimulate discussion on unpleasant issues and, hopefully, delineate areas for realistic approaches to reconciliation. Being 100% laypersons, LEAC may be able to facilitate discussions in many parishes where the laity in the pews have never been encouraged to rise to explain where they stand. Some of LEAC’s action initiatives may be likened to getting the mule’s attention with a hearty swat with a 2 X 4. Wakeup calls and reconciliation dialogue are necessary, regardless of the means used to direct attention to the depth of the issues being debated. Without clarity and focused reconciliatory action, the only alternative appears to be formal division between ECUSA and the Anglican Communion. |
| gregory | Posted: 2006/4/14 12:00 Updated: 2006/4/14 12:00 |
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Re: LEAC --> SIGN PETITION The Call for Lay Help, and the LEAC Response.
Clergy-led efforts failed for three decades to stem the tide toward apostasy and schism for clear and understandable reasons. Then, starting in 2005, orthodox clerical leaders, in and out of such organizations as the American Anglican Council and the American Anglican Communion Network, pleaded at large meetings with heavy laity attendance, for the emergence of a large lay effort to support the clergy-led efforts in the struggle for the American church. Foreign prelates joined the appeal. Other lay organizations, though free of the potential of similar bullying by authoritarian bishops, have mostly limited their efforts to rhetoric and research, rather than direct combat. The reasons for the call to the laity to mobilize are clear and understandable. Even strong-minded, outspoken clerics were personally muted, or at least effectively muffled, by the fear of reprisal by authoritarian bishops. Faithfully orthodox clergy, while always in the majority, were intimidated by leftwing bishops holding and using the power of deposition, inhibition, reassignment and other economic and professional weapons. Consequently, with the clerics effectively controlling the orthodox response to revisionism, there never has been a strong, bold, fearless national counterattack honoring the authority of Scripture and other instruments of Anglican orthodoxy. LEAC, responding to the fervent call to duty, is changing that. Meanwhile, the siren songs of unity, inclusiveness, multiculturalism, progressivism among a tiny handful of bishops and other priests were enticing and getting louder. They rose to a crescendo of strident campaigns organized and financed by gay-lesbian alliances to accomplish the ordination of homosexuals and finally the election and consecration of a bishop who had deserted his wife and children for a male live-in lover. Now LEAC, unimpeded by conditions holding back bishops and other priests, is leveling the playing field. We intend to turn back the revisionists, but if unsuccessful in that, we intend to rescue as many Episcopalians as possible for safety in Scripture-centered Anglican churches. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/4/14 14:25 Updated: 2006/4/14 14:28 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p What I'm hearing from LEAC is this: "Either you bishops do something about this mess you got us into, or WE will....and you won't like what we're going to do!"
 Cennydd |
| Godislove | Posted: 2006/4/14 15:35 Updated: 2006/4/14 15:36 |
Home away from home Joined: 2006/2/6 From: Posts: 221 |
Now Children No, what you are hearing are a few children throwing a temper tantrum. A small angry minority of psuedo-Episcopalians, frustrated by their inability to convince, cajole or intimidate their fellow church men and women to swear allegience to their shrill, hateful dogma. Of course this current tantrum is three years after the fact, technically insane, and goofy. The thing about a hate based movement is that it takes a lot of energy to sustain. This latest whine-fest may keep the mob up in arms a bit longer. But for the intellectually and theologically mature majority in the church, it is something between a good laugh and a pitiable waste of time.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Poster: Cennydd Posted: 2006/4/14 11:25:31 What I'm hearing from LEAC is this: "Either you bishops do something about this mess you got us into, or WE will....and you won't like what we're going to do!" Cennydd |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/4/14 16:54 Updated: 2006/4/14 17:07 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Re: Now Children Godislove, or Fr_Steve, or whatever else you choose to call yourself these days, I do not care to sink to your abysmal level in order to debate with you. You are free to reply to my posts as often as you like, but frankly, I couldn't care less what you do, say, or think. I won't respond to you after this, since I have better and more enjoyable ways of wasting my time.
Go hunt up some Easter eggs. Cennydd |
| warmac9999 | Posted: 2006/4/14 17:38 Updated: 2006/4/14 17:38 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/2/16 From: Posts: 1463 |
Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p The advantage to signing the petition is not to bring the revisionist bishops under control but to put as much voice to discontent as possible. (Imagine a couple of hundred thousand members willing to sign up. This would give the orthodox bishops some much needed spine. It would also have the revisionist bishops whistling down the dark alley.)
I noticed in one of the articles that about 1% of the church goers are young people - under 21. If this is correct, then, on average, there is slightly over one child per church - 8000 children attend on a Sunday in slightly over 7000 churches. I do not think one child per church, even grown to adulthood with a family, is capable of supporting the ECUSA. What this number represents is the end of the church not only as we have known it, but as it is today in the hands of the revisionists. This is |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/4/14 17:53 Updated: 2006/4/14 17:55 |
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Re: WASHINGTON, DC: Prelates who installed gay bishop face p Warmac, I am sure that one of the purposes of the petition IS to show the orthodox bishops that we stand in back of them as a means of showing our support....reinforcing their "spine," and telling the heretics that we mean business! Can you imagine the effect that thousands of signatures would have?
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| Godislove | Posted: 2006/4/14 20:55 Updated: 2006/4/14 20:55 |
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Just Imagine Yes I can. None. But there is the humor factor.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Poster: Cennydd Posted: 2006/4/14 14:53:00 ... Can you imagine the effect that thousands of signatures would have? Cennydd |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/4/15 1:50 Updated: 2006/4/15 1:50 |
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Re: Now Children Quote:
Godislove, or Fr_Steve, or whatever else you choose to call yourself these days, I do not care to sink to your abysmal level in order to debate with you. You are free to reply to my posts as often as you like, but frankly, I couldn't care less what you do, say, or think. I won't respond to you after this, since I have better and more enjoyable ways of wasting my time. He stoops to these levels because his posts have nothing to debate. They say nothing and have no value. |
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| gregory | Posted: 2006/4/15 11:00 Updated: 2006/4/15 12:05 |
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Re: Just Imagine To the character actor know as steve aka godislove so sorry you missed Lent and Easter Holydays.
You do seem busy with your pagan easter posts and the easter eggs you are displaying. As you point out; "...there is the humor factor."  Just changing your name didn't do any good 'cause your posts still reflect that frankenstein/frankenwhore attitude. |
| daleadams | Posted: 2006/4/16 19:29 Updated: 2006/4/16 19:39 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/2/1 From: Dixon, Calif. Posts: 975 |
Re: LEAC/Godislove Quote:
This seems to be a well organized group with a solid agenda, possibly too late. But I signed the petition.Group, don't be too hard on Godislove. Treat him with respect, and answer with reason. Too late for me, anyway. I left one ECUSA parish in 2003 and a more conservative one in 2004. In 2005 I joined the ELCA. The petition doesn't seem to allow signing as a former parishioner--maybe I could if I hadn't joined another denomination. Grant, "Fr Steve" is despised here particularly because he attacks snidely and then does not respond to even respectful critiques. Thus he seems insincere, more like he's a paid spokesman for the evil-doers. Sort of like Scott McClellan trying to defend Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. On the other hand, people on this list are prone to attack people unfairly. Some equate me with Fr Steve because I don't always agree with them. I only defend Fr Steve (=godislove) when he is in the right. But truth is as little important here as it is anywhere else. Dale Adams |
| truelight | Posted: 2006/4/17 0:56 Updated: 2006/4/17 0:56 |
Just can't stay away Joined: 2005/11/3 From: NJ Diocese Posts: 113 |
Re: Now Children No, what you are hearing are a few children throwing a temper tantrum. A small angry minority of psuedo-Episcopalians, frustrated by their inability to convince, cajole or intimidate their fellow church men and women to swear allegience to their shrill, hateful dogma....
Fr_Steve i would appreciate if you got your facts staright before you come crusading in here for the revisionist bishops who's only job it seems is to destory the very Church that Christ sacrificed himself for on Good Friday. and woe to you Fr_steve for if you do not repent you too shall drink of the cup of the wrath of God almighty!!! |
| Truthseekr | Posted: 2006/4/17 12:09 Updated: 2006/4/17 12:09 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/9/14 From: terra firma ................ ( just a pilgrim passing thru ) Posts: 784 |
Re: Now Children fr_steve,
you have never once answered the question, asked of you sooo many times. How do you justify people acting on their favorite desires, as being more important that the Word of God which clearly defines sin as not Holy from His Holy Scriptures? That question is neither a temper tantrum, angry, hate based movement, whine-fest, good laugh, or a pitiable waste of time... That question is one of the most important questions, you will ever see in this mortal lifetime. In Christ's Love, still praying for you, Truthseekr |
