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Exclusives : ECUSA: Pansexual Groups Plan Major Assault at General Convention
Posted by David Virtue on 2006/3/31 13:40:00 (7061 reads)

PANSEXUAL GROUPS PLAN MAJOR ASSAULT AT GENERAL CONVENTION

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
3/31/2006

A plethora of pansexual Episcopal organizations that includes Integrity will gather under the umbrella of Claiming the Blessing where they are planning a media blitz at General Convention in June, with specific objectives to keep the Episcopal Church on its present course.

Delegates to these Lesbitransgay advocacy groups recently announced their intentions at a March 25 joint meeting at Trinity Cathedral in Cleveland and issued the following thirteen objectives.

We come to the 2006 General Convention in Columbus compelled to communicate our identity, articulate our beliefs and convey our sense of call to prophetic action and pastoral presence.

Therefore, we call the Church to:

* Work for full civil marriage equality.
* Clarify our theology of marriage, family and human sexuality.
* Oppose the limitation of adoption and other civil contracts on the basis of sexual orientation, marital status, gender identity and expression.
* Study the role of clergy as civil magistrates in marriage.
* Reaffirm the sacredness of long-term committed relationships, as articulated in D039". "We expect such relationships will be characterized by fidelity, monogamy, mutual affection and respect, careful, honest communication, and the holy love which enables those in such relationships to see in each other the image of God." (GC 2000)
* Authorize the development of liturgical rites of blessings where civil marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships are a reality, and elsewhere.
* Support universal domestic partnership benefits.
* Affirm human rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people worldwide.
* Work for an end to the violence against LGBT people throughout the global village.
* Engage the international community in a listening process which includes the active voices and full presence of LGBT people.
* Embrace a theology of abundance; reject the theology of scarcity, fear and scapegoating; and commit ourselves to proclaim and live the good news of Christ Jesus.
* Reaffirm that all orders of ministry are open to all the Baptized who are otherwise qualified.
* Establish as church policy the commitment not to meet in those places where justice and liberation for all God's children, including LGBT people, are absent in state law or local ordinance.

"Claiming the Blessing" is a rip off of a term once part of the non-denominational Charismatic movement. Recently it has been taken over as an intentional collaborative ministry of leading Episcopal pansexual so-called justice organizations (including Integrity, Oasis, Beyond Inclusion and the Episcopal Women's Caucus) in partnership with the Witness magazine, the Every Voice Network and other individual leaders in the Episcopal Church focused on promoting wholeness in human relationships, abolishing what they call prejudice and oppression, and healing the rift between sexuality and spirituality in the Church.

The Claiming the Blessing Steering Committee includes: Peggy Adams, J. Edwin Bacon, Jr., Cynthia Black, John Clinton Bradley, Kim Byham, Louie Crew, Cy Deavours, Lyn Headley-Deavours, Michael Hopkins, Elizabeth Kaeton, John Kirkley, Joseph Lane, Christine Mackey-Mason, Susan Russell, Jason Samuel, Katie Sherrod, John Simonelli, Jim White

One of the organizations, Integrity USA, says it wants to "keep the momentum it has gained through 30 years of respected, successful advocacy and witness." The organization said it will send more than 30 committed and well-trained volunteers to help "coordinate and prepare the testimony of witnesses at important public hearings, track legislation, monitor the work of committees, maintain a visible presence in the exhibit hall, and work cooperatively and strategically with others to advance a gospel agenda of justice and inclusion."

The Integrity assault on the Episcopal Church has been most effective in its push for pansexual acceptance culminating in 2003 with the ordination and consecration of New Hampshire Bishop V. Gene Robinson.

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Anonymous
Posted: 2006/3/31 23:11  Updated: 2006/3/31 23:11
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Respect? They think they have gained respect? Gimme a break ... ECUSA is hemorrhaging members - and the money will go next to fight the lawsuits - respect - truly they jest.
Philippa
Posted: 2006/3/31 23:57  Updated: 2006/3/31 23:57
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In case anybody doesn't know, NEWS FLASH: In ECUSA, the inmates are running the asylum...





Kick back with a cold one, all, and get ready to watch the show....

Cennydd
Posted: 2006/4/1 0:11  Updated: 2006/4/1 0:11
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I think somebody should call the Funny Farm in Columbus to tell them to send the boys in the white coats to take these freaks away! And make sure PBS gets alerted. That way, ABC won't have the monopoly on spin tactics! Is the convention going to be televised? If so, maybe my wife and I will invite some friends from church over for a few cold ones and watch the fireworks!
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Posted: 2006/4/1 0:39  Updated: 2006/4/1 0:39
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"* Establish as church policy the commitment not ..."not to meet in those places where justice and liberation for all God's children, including LGBT people, are absent in state law or local ordinance."

And where would that be? Somewhere there is no civil union/gay marriage??

In that case, I hope this passes.. None of these are in SC and most other states. Sure would create a much smaller province. LOL
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You witness before you sad people who have fallen into sexual deviance and depravity and sin, and in their rebellion against God and their very own bodies would purposefully and willfully destroy for others the knowledge of the purpose and design of male and female, of marriage, of the natural family, of the right of children to mother and father, of the knowledge of the right relationship between them, of the knowledge of the right and natural use of our reproductive organs, and who would destroy chaste friendship among Christian brothers and sisters and the innocency of children...

Though we are called as Christians to truly love homosexuals, and in that love to call them away from sexual deviance and sin; what is proposed above is a form of deep evil which seeks to destroy all that which is Godly and true. Embrace it, and you will meet one day the author of the evil you have chosen.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
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"Oppose the limitation of adoption and other civil contracts on the basis of sexual orientation, marital status, gender identity and expression."

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Translation: Kids have no right to a mother and a father, to the modeling of normal masculinity and femininity, and of the right relationship between the two - or to male and female parental love. Singles, two or three queer men who copulate with each other's rectums every night, two flaming lesbos, a tranvestite, a transexual, three men living with a woman, bisexuals who have sex with whomever whenever - all have a 'right,' some deranged people think, to children.

This is pure evil, folks. For the love of God and of children, fight it.

Essodalori
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Posted: 2006/4/1 1:18  Updated: 2006/4/1 1:18
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 Re: PANSEXUAL GROUPS PLAN MAJOR ASSAULT AT GENERAL CONVENTIO
In case anybody doesn't know, NEWS FLASH: In ECUSA, the inmates are running the asylum...

Kick back with a cold one, all, and get ready to watch the show

any folks want a front row seat???? it can be arranged...now were did i put my lightsaber....i may need it
essodalori
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Hold your lightsaber close, truelight. We're getting close to when the evil turns on itself. It will be vicious.

Essodalori
essodalori
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So there's gonna be a war at the general convention...

The reason that that's the case (and it is), is that members of ECUSick abandoned God's word decades ago, and let go of their trust in God and any desire to obey Him - or to understand why they should.

Evil flourished and grew, abundantly, like mold on bread. Now every last bit of bread is being consumed by that mold.

When the bread is gone, the mold will collapse into dust and spores - waiting and wafting around, as all evil does, to infect the next loaf of bread. There will be nothing else left.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/1 1:38  Updated: 2006/4/1 1:38
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["Delegates to these Lesbitransgay advocacy groups recently announced their intentions at a March 25 joint meeting at Trinity Cathedral in Cleveland and issued the following thirteen objectives."]

What a great way to celebrate the Feast of the Annunciation. And so full of meaning...in a round-about way.

The Blessed Virgin made an act of perfect obedience and self-donation, and so brought forth life where none was possible. "Claiming the Blessing" makes an act of perfect rebellion and self-aggrandizement, and will bring forth only death.

"Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us, sinners."

Pax,

John
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/1 1:42  Updated: 2006/4/1 1:42
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["* Establish as church policy the commitment not to meet in those places where justice and liberation for all God's children, including LGBT people, are absent in state law or local ordinance."]

So I guess all future Episco-pow-wows will be taking place in Massachusetts? Lucky them.

Pax,

John
essodalori
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From Massachusetts:

"It is difficult to describe the shock and outrage of a mother when she discovered that her son was assigned a novel of teenage gay pornography to read for English class. The woman had enrolled her son in Newton South High School's summer program to help prepare her kids for the English portion of the Massachusetts state standardized test (MCAS).

Little did she know that her son's teacher had recently bragged in a Boston Globe newspaper article (see link below) how he was quietly introducing "gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender" subjects into his academic high school classes.

In this class, the teacher passed out a copy of "The Perks of Being a Wallflower" by Stephen Chbosky to each child, as the class's required reading assignment, with instructions to write an essay on the book when they finished it!

The book is aimed at teenagers, and is told from a teenage boy's perspective.
Read the excerpts from the book for yourself.
The book contains explicit references and discussion regarding:

Sexual acts between teenagers.
Male masturbation.
Oral-genital sex.
A great deal of profanity.
Male homosexual acts between teenaged boys, including kissing, seduction/"having a crush" and anal sex.
Illegal drug use.
Homosexual acts between men and boys.
Sex between a boy and a dog.
Female masturbation using an object.

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They're coming for your kids.

Essodalori
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More from Massachusetts:

In numerous high schools across Massachusetts, entire days have been devoted to "Gay/Lesbian and Transgender" programs, and academic classes are cancelled and students are led to the activities, including panels, speakers, etc.

In Newton, a first grade teacher "came out" as a homosexual to his class. He told them that could love a man "the way your mother and father love each other." The Superintendent defended the action, saying that the teacher needed to "be himself." Several upset parents who called the school were told that "you are the only one" who has complained.

Newton North High School had a "Bi-Sexual Awareness" day with posters around the school and students invited to a discussion event.

In Natick, high school students in the "gay-straight alliance" club were shown an R-rated movie about a graphic "love story" between two boys.

At a required school assembly in Chelmsford, an instructor used four-letter words, described the joys of oral and anal sex, and had children participate in licking condoms.

Statewide in high schools: students were told to answer surveys on their use of drugs and about personal feelings on suicide, death, homosexual activity and similar subjects. The wording was very intrusive. Parents were outraged when they found out that the survey was funded by the State of Massachusetts.

Newton, MA: 9th grade girls in the health classes are assigned to go to a drug store and buy condoms, and practice putting them on a banana.

At the Lexington High School's Resource Center, a parent found out that her thirteen-year-olds could borrow a book (bought with state health funds) telling how gay men at the opera can socialize with "the backs of their trousers discreetly parted so they could experience a little extra pleasure while viewing the spectacle on stage."

In Newton, a high-school principal told a group of parents that they may not remove their children from the condom distribution program because "it is too important".

At Silver Lake High School, the ninth-grade health text teaches: "Testing your ability to function sexually and to give pleasure to another person may be less threatening in the early teens with people of your own sex." Also, "You may come to the conclusion that growing up means rejecting the values of your parents." Students were told to keep the book in their lockers and not take it home.
- Boston Globe

Manomet, MA: An eight-grade health class passed out material which one boy said was against his parents' beliefs. He was told by the instructor, "If you have any trouble with your parents, tell me and I'll handle them."

Newton, MA: The high school's World Language Department presented the film "ma vie en rose" - an R rated film about a homosexual 7 year old boy. The film's advertising describes: "Seven-year-old Ludo enjoys being a girl. Borrowing mommy's red high-heels, her lipstick, her earrings ... yummy! Trouble is, 7-year-old Ludo -- short for Ludovic (Georges du Fresne) -- is a boy, even if he is pretty in pink."

Nutting Lake, MA: "Counselors" conducted a group session where a girl was asked to share the details about her parents' divorce and her father's affair with the class. The sessions were to be kept confidential from parents.

Framingham, MA: The following questionnaire was distributed in Framingham High School homerooms. (It was defended by the principal in a Boston Herald article.):

1. What do you think caused your heterosexuality?
2. When did you first decide you were heterosexual?
3. Is it possible heterosexuality is a phase you will grow out of?
4. Is it possible you are heterosexual because you fear the same sex?
5. If you have never slept with anyone of the same sex, how do you know you wouldn't prefer it? Is it possible you merely need a good gay experience?
6. To whom have you disclosed your heterosexuality? How did they react?
7. Why are heterosexuals so blatant, always making a spectacle of their heterosexuality? Why can't they just be who they are and not flaunt their sexuality by kissing in public, wearing wedding rings, etc.?
8. Most child molesters are heterosexual men. Do you consider it safe to expose your children to heterosexual males? Heterosexual male teachers particularly?
9. How can you have a truly satisfying relationship with someone of the opposite sex, given the obvious physical and
emotional differences?
10. Heterosexual marriages has total societal support, yet over half of all heterosexuals who marry this year will divorce.
Why are there so few heterosexual relationships?
11.Given the problems heterosexuals face, would you want your children to be heterosexual? Would you consider
aversion therapy?

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They're coming for your kids.

Essodalori
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So -- I'm guessing we can all forget about ECUSA repenting?

What I still cannot comprehend is why these people MUST do this to the Episcopal Church. For the life of me I cannot understand why they just don't go off and form their own "religion". You want to be pagans? Fine! Go be pagans. WHY do you have to take down an entire denomination with you? Why keep on insisting it's still the same thing? It has nothing whatsoever to do with its own heritage. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. Why keep on forcing the Episcopal Church to morph into some other thing? Why not leave it alone and start up a new organization that is totally separate and other?

They could still be arrogant and egotistical. They could be as perverse as they wanted. They could worship Self to their heart's content. All the while leaving the rest of the Episcopalians to carry on as before.

What's wrong with that? Why do they have to change it? Why can't they just leave and start their own ... thing?
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Mekane, after reading this unadulterated crap coming from Susie Russell and her pals, there is NO WAY that I will EVER respect ANY of them! None, nada, zip, zero! I try very hard not to hate anyone, but this bunch is really pushing the limits with me!

If this woman and her co-conspirators want a war at General Convention, fine! Believe me, If I were a deputy at convention, I'm afraid I'd be tempted to really tell somebody off in public, I'm so mad! It would probably get me thrown out of the place! Instead, I'll do my fighting through this medium, since I can be far more effective this way.
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/1 2:07  Updated: 2006/4/1 2:07
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Traktaryan: For that matter, why do they have to change ECUSA into their dream church when their dream church already exists? All they have to do is go to their friendly neighborhood Unitarian Congregation and join up. They'll be as happy as pigs in...well...you know.

Pax,

John
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Sure, Traktaryan. I'll tell you why. They want to pervert Christianity, because people's love of God and Christ (as well as their common sense) keeps them from condoning and glorifying sexual perversion.

At the heart and in the soul of most every homosexual are these strong desires:

1) The desire to believe that he/she is 'normal' (which he/she is not);

2) The desire to force everyone to say that the acts they engage in are 'equivalent' to the uniting of male and female (which obviously they are not);

3) The desire to force everyone to never draw obvious distinctions, to draw attention to the depraved acts (like anal sex) they engage in;, and of course the biggie;

4) The desire to have people say God condones the deviant acts they engage in.

Christ stands in their way, and those who follow Christ, while striving to Christianly love homosexuals, will not say those lies to them.

Homosexuals hunger and thirst for the belief that there is nothing wrong, and there is nothing wrong with what they do.

But they're wrong. Something has gone wrong, and what they do is wrong.

That's why they will not go off by themselves. For while there are true Christians left in this world, there will be those who will not lie to them, as they lie to themselves. Little by little, they would like to coopt and pervert the Christian church. It's a war.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
essodalori
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"So -- I'm guessing we can all forget about ECUSA repenting?"

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No - this is the fix that's coming in:

ECUSA will say it repents (without saying for what), and the Archbishop of Canterbury and his minions will agree to not say what Christian sexual morality is.

That way, ECUSA repents of something no one can define, and no one needs to take any action.

It's a perfect wash.

The only ones who can foil the plan are the southern bishops, who, if they have the nerve, should just split - bringing all true Christian Anglicans with them.

Essodalori
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Esso,

The Diocese of California elects a lesbian bishop and the game is over. ECUSA will be out of the Anglican Communion. What that means for the remnant orthodox, I don't know. I believe some kind of orthodox form of Anglicanism will be in place in North America.

Meanwhile, my son goes to a private Catholic school. We keep in close contact with his teachers and the administration. No condom licking going on there ...
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/1 2:36  Updated: 2006/4/1 2:39
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"* Clarify our theology of marriage, family and human sexuality. "

News flash! They have a new theology other than the Bible. Wait, its ECUSA pansexualists... sorry for the identity mixup.

"* Embrace a theology of abundance; reject the theology of scarcity, fear and scapegoating; and commit ourselves to proclaim and live the good news of Christ Jesus."

Oh more theology, let me get out my Bible to follow along this time! What chapter is that?

You loney revisionists, I have never heard such rubbish spouting from the mouth of adults. Where is your wisdom? Let me guess, you have NONE! In your 14 point manifesto which reads like a GIMME, GIMME, ME, ME, I WANT... you mention God and Jesus once each. Where is your heart? All you say will come to naught as it should be.

BHTech
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Posted: 2006/4/1 2:37  Updated: 2006/4/1 2:37
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Trak said

"Meanwhile, my son goes to a private Catholic school. "

*******

Amen to that! So do my kids!!

God Bless

BHTech
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This clearly proves the Homosexual Movement within ECUSA is concerned.

They know and fully understand their "storm trooper" tactics are necessary at Convention because the Anglican Communion has rejected their agenda.

They understand that their leader, Griswold, is leaving.

They believe they have loaded the floor with delgates such as evidenced by the following:

http://rci.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/depsfem.html

They are concerned about defections by bishops who have been committed before but have rethought the issue based on the disatrous reaction to the election of the bishop of NH as evidenced by falling church attendance, the leaving of saints and parishes from ECUSA.

http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3822

They know the election of a homosexual as bishop of California will precipitate a decisive floor fight and a decisive negative reaction within the Anglican Communion.

They are fearful that their specious claim of "fixed sexual orientation" is being exposed for the fraud that it is. That Jesus Christ does introduce change in the lives of homosexuals (gay, lesbian, bisexual) who have the desire and will to change based on God's call. (2Cor 5:17)

http://www.lovewonout.com/

Because of these facts, they are desperate to prevail at Convention no matter the consequences for ECUSA or the Anglican Communion! For they put their agenda before Christ's in the hope to turn a lie into truth. (Jude 7)
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/1 2:59  Updated: 2006/4/1 2:59
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Not everyone at VOL may appreciate this and no disrespect to anyone either, but todays reading from Wisdom 2:1, 12-22 just seems so appropiate to these pansexualists and revisionists:

1 For they reasoned unsoundly, saying to themselves, "Short and sorrowful is our life, and there is no remedy when a man comes to his end, and no one has been known to return from Hades.
12 "Let us lie in wait for the righteous man, because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions; he reproaches us for sins against the law, and accuses us of sins against our training.
13 He professes to have knowledge of God, and calls himself a child of the Lord.
14 He became to us a reproof of our thoughts;
15 the very sight of him is a burden to us, because his manner of life is unlike that of others, and his ways are strange.
16 We are considered by him as something base, and he avoids our ways as unclean; he calls the last end of the righteous happy, and boasts that God is his father.
17 Let us see if his words are true, and let us test what will happen at the end of his life;
18 for if the righteous man is God's son, he will help him, and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries.
19 Let us test him with insult and torture, that we may find out how gentle he is, and make trial of his forbearance.
20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death, for, according to what he says, he will be protected."
21 Thus they reasoned, but they were led astray, for their wickedness blinded them,
22 and they did not know the secret purposes of God, nor hope for the wages of holiness, nor discern the prize for blameless souls;
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For this group, anger, outrage, and politically correct gibberish overule logic, common sense and divinely revealed morality. It's all about them--glorifying their warped values and insecurities and perversions and trying to invade and pervert on the Church.

Instead of GLBTG or liberal, call them what they really are--agents of the Enemy, Satan's Fifth Column. The religion they preach bears about as much similarity to Christianity as does Wahabism.

You can believe whatever you want. Don't lie and call it what it isn't.
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Didn't you know? ECUSA has become nothing more than Unitarians with Smells-n-Bells & Fancy Vestments!!!
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Dturk and OttoPX, I'll go you one better: Susie Russell, Dr. Louie "Quean Lutibelle" Crew and their co-conspirators of the LGBTQ crowd are psychotic perverts, and they and their fellow revisionists are Obfuscatory Episcobabbling Sheep who wouldn't know the truth if it stood up and hit them in the face! The poor ignorant stupid and unsuspecting pew-sitters have been brainwashed into buying the revisionist claptrap for so long....over forty years....that they actually believe everything they've been spoon-fed!

Cennydd
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Esso,
You mention about a link, but I don't see it. How and where did you find this Massachusetts stuff? I would like to send some of it to several ECUSA friends who see nothing wrong with the gay agenda, since that is the way God made them and how it won't affect them, their marriage or their children. What an eye-opener. Sexual WMD are being delivered to kids and it seems that there is no way to stop it.

Thank you for the research you do and for your persistence in uncovering the evil that is seeping into society at an alarming rate.
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Posted: 2006/4/1 6:56  Updated: 2006/4/1 6:56
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Yep, I've got my popcorn, hot-dogs, soda pop and chocolate nonpareils ready for the beginning of Act One of the greatest freak-show on earth - JECUSA - starring Griswoldo as Ringmaster and Victoria Jean Robinson as his sidekick.

Over in the left ring we have Chuckles Bennisin and Johnny Spong(e)bob - in the center ring we have Spang(k)ler and Sauls - and in the right ring we have Rowan the Ruin and Bricey Chaine. Yes, folks, a star-studded cast with their imps and elves in the cages you see before you, consisting of the homosodomaniacs,
lesbimaniacs and the really exotic questioning hermaphroditic bi-volts.
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/1 7:13  Updated: 2006/4/1 7:13
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Here they are folks--all the star-studded personalities from the gaylesbo crowd that you've been waiting to see for all these years--ready for this bout and outfitted in their very best costumes. And in the opposite corner we have the ECUSA clergy--barely able to stand up straight under the weight of their own words, which of course are unintelligible because they are in episcobable.

Louie, how do you see this contest? "I want Adam's (censored). Well, Frank, what do you want? "I just want to survive--I'll let my successor handle this."

And there you have it, folks. The epic battle of the Loon Left and the revisionists is about to begin. Be sure to tune in this coming June.
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Posted: 2006/4/1 9:55  Updated: 2006/4/1 9:56
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"Amen to that! So do my kids!!"

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So do ours, BHTech, Trak - a private, very orthodox Catholic school. Our kids study Christian morality, the Scriptures, family life (as God ordains it) and so on in class (in addition to getting a superb academic education).

On sex and marriage - they learn right from the Bible - and from great Christian authors.

With Christian love!

Esso
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Hey Caroll,

Check out www.article8.org ,

www.parentsrightscoalition.org/ and

www.massresistance.blogspot.com .

These are all sites put up by outraged parents in Massaschusetts.

Prepare to be frightened. I was.

Homosexuals now control parts of Massachusetts - mainly through money.

Massachusetts is bleeding families, who are fleeing elsewhere (just like in San Francisco).

Public school attendance has declined by over 15% in some areas, as parents seek to protect their children. What the other 85% is exposed to is horrific.

This is what the future is, unless we shore up our churches, and our churches shore up society.

It's Sodom and Gomorrah, all over again.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
essodalori
Posted: 2006/4/1 10:04  Updated: 2006/4/1 10:10
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Hey BHTech -

Do you get the daily Gospel quote (with the New Testament and Old Testament quotes as well)? That reading from Wisdom was in today's! And you're right on - it's very, very apt to this.

With Christian love!

Esso
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/1 11:27  Updated: 2006/4/1 11:27
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The invasion by these groups is not limited to the Episcopal church. It has invaded the other major demonations as well. It is a concerted and well planed attack on Christianity to destroy it. We need to gird ourselves with God's armor and fight this doctrine of Satan.

Hopefully Bishop Duncan has a plan.

Mick
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Posted: 2006/4/1 12:04  Updated: 2006/4/1 12:04
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truelight, ""now where did i put my lightsaber....""

You can borrow mine;



Since i have placed more faith in St. Michael's;

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The websites mentioned here should be brought to the attention of Bishop Duncan and the other ACN bishops, and the evidence contained in them should be thrown right back in the faces of Susie Russell, Louie Crew, and their friends during General Convention! They should be openly confronted with it....point blank! And then they should be told to either publicly deny or confirm this crap!
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/1 13:24  Updated: 2006/4/1 13:24
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Dear Esso and Gregory,

The Wisdom reading was taken from the March 31, 2006 reading of the day. For anyone else interested numerous Catholic web sites make them available but here are a few:

http://www.usccb.org/nab/

http://www.rc.net/wcc/readings/

http://www.ewtn.com/devotionals/inspiration.htm

God Bless

BHTech
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Posted: 2006/4/1 13:31  Updated: 2006/4/1 13:36
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BHTech, Thank you; i have several daily readings/lessons and always appreciate scripture.

humbly in these Lenten Holydays, gregory

PS http://www.rc.net/wcc/readings/
has some really good avatars

Also from March 31;

Save me, O God, by Thy name and in Thy strength deliver me: O God, hear my prayer; give ear to the words of my mouth.

-- Psalm liii. 3,4
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Posted: 2006/4/1 13:39  Updated: 2006/4/1 13:39
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Looks like, next, that I will be going to the movies with Giovanni--"popcorn, hot-dogs, soda pop and chocolate nonpareils"--sounds like a good time!!

What do you think, all? As everyone enters General Convention, we'll have to hose them down with salt water...this is liable to look like one of the wars out of "Lord of the Rings"...God help and save us all...

In Christ,

Philippa
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/1 14:31  Updated: 2006/4/1 14:31
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Sister Philippa,

If you'll need anything else from the Concession Stand I shall gladly fetch it for you. Don't worry about the cost - that's my concern

Brother Giovanni
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Posted: 2006/4/1 14:36  Updated: 2006/4/1 14:36
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ECUSA will say it repents (without saying for what), and the Archbishop of Canterbury and his minions will agree to not say what Christian sexual morality is.


Esso nails it here, as much as I wish he did not. You all know how the Episcobabbas are. They will come out with a beautifully crafted, heavily nuanced script that says the same old thing: In short, you are all a bunch of close-minded fundamentalists and they have such a high regard for tolerance and Christian charity that there's no turning back.

Anybody up for a road trip and a counter-demonstration?

jotv
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Posted: 2006/4/1 14:44  Updated: 2006/4/1 14:44
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Quote:
Hold your lightsaber close, truelight.


You're in rare form today, my man!

jotv
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Posted: 2006/4/1 15:08  Updated: 2006/4/1 15:08
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You notice that they never hold these "Queer Nation"--oops, GCs in the "Bible belt" states--probably for fear of stoning (not that I am for stoning in any way--then they'd get sympathy)!

bygrace
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Posted: 2006/4/1 15:41  Updated: 2006/4/1 15:41
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"Study the role of clergy as civil magistrates in marriage."

I just re-read the pansexual agenda and discovered the above little gem. Does this mean what I think it means? Are they looking at ways to try to use civil law to coerce clergy to perform same-sex marriages by arguing that clergy act as civil magistrates for the State in performing marriages?
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Posted: 2006/4/1 15:56  Updated: 2006/4/1 15:56
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Oh, dearest ladies and gentlemen . . .

As I noted in a previous post, this will all shake out most deliciously when the Muslims take over in a very few years and the homosexuals find the dull blades of the Jihadis sawing upon their necks.

Of course many, many of us who believe in our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ will also meet the same fate unless we cower before the fellow who married an eight year old girl, face Mecca and bump our foreheads and knees upon a mat and thrust our rumps high in the air.

Ah,, yes, 'twill be verrrry interesting to see. But I'm probably too old to witness its fruition.
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Posted: 2006/4/1 16:07  Updated: 2006/4/1 16:07
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I thought it was about Grace. Guess I had it wrong all these years.
They think all they need do is move in and change the rules, and presto-chango, deviant sex is OK, Islam, Druidism, Me-ism and nothingness are all ways to salvation, which is a misnomer because we are all saved anyway. No heaven, no hell, no right or wrong (except for believing in the Word of God, which is hate speech to them).

They should call it Stealing the Blessing. Of course, once they steal it and defile the church, there will be no blessing. Only "much wailing and gnashing of teeth".

I don't often quote Tolkien, but this is so apt.

"A man who breaks a thing to find out how it works has left the path of wisdom"

They truely shall get everything they so richly deserve!

CG
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Posted: 2006/4/1 17:34  Updated: 2006/4/1 17:35
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...not that I am for stoning....


I am not either, of course, but I must say I wish someone could wave a magic wand and rid our society of this scourge so that we could fight other battles.

I say we get Giovanni and Philippa to buy the drinks and snacks, we rent a motor home and START MAKING SOME SIGNS!

jotv
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/1 17:37  Updated: 2006/4/1 17:37
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ROAD TRIP! ROAD TRIP! ROAD TRIP!

jotv
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Posted: 2006/4/1 17:43  Updated: 2006/4/1 17:43
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Much of esso's information appeared in the Sept 30, 1996, issue of National Review, Parents' rights: educators have been waging a covert war on parents by Michael Chiusano and Isabel Lyman.

The Internet is a marvelous invention for recycling and keeping alive old information. Dates and references help keep things in perspective. The perspective is that the situation probably has gotten worse in the past 10 years.

--a former Massachusettsian
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/1 22:04  Updated: 2006/4/2 3:47
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For those in despair about the current situation in the Church - Never, never, never give up:
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Posted: 2006/4/1 22:25  Updated: 2006/4/1 22:25
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WE SHOULD BECOME MORE OPEN-MINDED. FOR INSTANCE, HERE'S AN IDEA FROM A NEWS STORY FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS A FEW WEEKS AGO (I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP):

Sharon Tendler met Cindy 15 years ago. She said it was love at first sight. This week she finally took the plunge and proposed. The lucky "guy" plunged right back.

In a modest ceremony at Dolphin Reef in the southern Israeli port of Eilat, Tendler, a 41-year-old British citizen, apparently became the world's first person to "marry" a dolphin.

Dressed in a white dress, a veil and pink flowers in her hair, Tendler got down on one knee on the dock and gave Cindy a kiss. And a piece of herring.

"It's not a perverted thing. I do love this dolphin. He's the love of my life," she said Saturday, upon her return to London.

Tendler, who said she imports clothes and promotes rock bands in England, has visited Israel several times a year since first meeting the dolphin.

When asked in the past if she had a boyfriend, she would always reply, "No. I'm going to end up with Cindy." On Wednesday, she made it official, sort of. While she acknowledged the "wedding" had no legal bearing she did say it reflected her deep feelings toward the bottlenosed, 35-year-old object of her affection.

"It's not a bad thing. It just something that we did because I love him, but not in the way that you love a man. It's just a pure love that I have for this animal," she said.

While she still kept open the option of "marrying human" at some stage, she said for now she was strictly a "one-dolphin woman".

She's hardly the jealous type, though.

"He will still play with all the other girls there," she said, of their prenuptial agreement. "I hope he has a lot of baby dolphins with the other dolphins. The more dolphins the better."

- AP

COMMENT: MAYBE ECUSA SHOULD HAVE A MORE PORPOISE-DRIVEN LIFE.
essodalori
Posted: 2006/4/1 23:49  Updated: 2006/4/1 23:54
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Boy, if not for wife and three kids and muchos responsibilidades, Joe of the Valley's road trip would be right on!!!!

And gatekeeper - I see you escaped the sad derangement now known as Massachusetts. I am glad for you and your family. In Texas, they still (I hear.) know what male and female are (and why!).

You know, folks, what is being proposed in ECUSick and in many segments of our culture is a society where there are no norms whatsoever; where nothing is considered normal, because every sick thing must be said to be 'normal;' where God does seek to mold us in His love, but where we mold ourselves into our own little gods.

I read Giovanni's very funny! talk about watching the mess eating non-pareils. It would be funny (indeed, it's really hard not to laugh), but that we are talking about human souls. We're talking about goin' back to worship of Baal here. We're talkin' about goin' back to Sodom. We're talkin' about an age approaching that mimics the age before God gave Moses the Ten Commandments. The world won't survive that. I honestly believe that. It's up to us Christians to try, somehow, to hold things together.

As a guy who is blessed to be one flesh with his wife and will NEVER love a dolphin!

Essodalori
essodalori
Posted: 2006/4/1 23:51  Updated: 2006/4/1 23:51
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Oh, man, jfc - Read your post, and was thinking - what does he mean by a purpose-driven life in this context. Then looked more carefully.

Very, very funny!

With Christian love,

Essodalori
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Posted: 2006/4/2 1:20  Updated: 2006/4/2 1:20
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Hold your lightsaber close, truelight. We're getting close to when the evil turns on itself. It will be vicious.

Essodalori

true but cant we help it along a lil...ya know give it a little push in that direction...the ortahdox in my diocese have already been told we have turned to the dark side...fact im thinking of going to next convention(if there is one) in a darth vader suit....
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Posted: 2006/4/2 1:29  Updated: 2006/4/2 1:29
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For the life of me I cannot understand why they just don't go off and form their own "religion". You want to be pagans? Fine! Go be pagans. WHY do you have to take down an entire denomination with you? Why keep on insisting it's still the same thing?

Traktaryan unfortunatly this has been going on for at least 30 years and this is just the first last and hopefully only syptom of the disease within our abused church...rember spong folks :shudders:
essodalori
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"true but cant we help it along a lil..."

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You betcha.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
essodalori
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"fact im thinking of going to next convention(if there is one) in a darth vader suit...."

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You'll be welcomed with open arms...

Esso
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"For the life of me I cannot understand why they just don't go off and form their own "religion". "

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Because they so very badly want to believe that their actions have the imprimatur of God and of Christ.

With Christian love,

Esso
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Thank you everbody for all of the links. I am going to be up all night reading and I have early coffee hour at church. Oh well who needs to be awake to pour coffee.
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"For the life of me I cannot understand why they just don't go off and form their own "religion". "

"Because they so very badly want to believe that their actions have the imprimatur of God and of Christ."

...and because they want to destroy everyone who does not agree with them. This is why they won't simply let them go and take their property.
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Posted: 2006/4/2 16:12  Updated: 2006/4/2 16:12
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The party's over. Somebody please turn out the lights.
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Posted: 2006/4/2 18:02  Updated: 2006/4/2 18:02
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All kidding aside, there's a place for righteous anger, so long as we don't sin in expressing it, right?
masspk
Posted: 2006/4/2 20:13  Updated: 2006/4/2 20:13
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WOW ! Columbus, OH - 2006. Jesus speaks to his Father and says "Forgive them Father, they know not what they do" Knowing Jesus as we do, I'm guessing he will give it a shot - the problem is since they DO know - they will eventually get called on the heavenly carpet, it will then get very warm, very quickly. The ACN is alive in the Bay State - see you in July.

MassPK
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Posted: 2006/4/2 20:17  Updated: 2006/4/2 20:17
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" Clarify our theology of marriage, family and human sexuality."

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus:

Look carefully at their language as they give themselves away. Of course this needs clarification because it is THEIR theology, not that of the teaching of the Church.

Jason Samuel was indicted for sexual abuse of a child while in seminary and now he is a minnion of Queen Louie. Truly sad indeed for the Diocese of Missouri. This guy was and is still dangerous.

The evil one is again at work undoing that which is holy.

Blessings,
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"All kidding aside, there's a place for righteous anger, so long as we don't sin in expressing it, right?"

No, only Jesus has that option as the rest of us are not anywhere near righteous.

Blessings,
Smoke+
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in Ephesians 4:26, we're told to be angry but not to sin in our anger. Has there ever been a more appropriate moment for this verse to be applied?
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The party's over. Somebody please turn out the lights.

:looks around for switch: :smakes head: o wait the parties been over for years hasnt it folks...guess they broke the switch along time ago......
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"in Ephesians 4:26, we're told to be angry but not to sin in our anger. Has there ever been a more appropriate moment for this verse to be applied?"

This is commonly misunderstood in Holy Scripture as we are NEVER told or encouraged to sin. Anger is sin. One of the seven deadly ones and we never have "permission" to sin. All sin separates us from the love of God. A little bit of sin is not any better than much sin. Saint Paul is speaking about allowing anything that controls us, other than God, is bad for our spiritual life.

Was Jesus "angry" in the temple with the moneychangers? No. Holy Scripture reminds us He was "filled with zeal", due to the love for His Fathers House, it was not anger. Not good for Jesus; not good for us.

Blessings,
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Fiona
Posted: 2006/4/3 3:32  Updated: 2006/4/3 3:32
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Yep, I've got my popcorn, hot-dogs, soda pop and chocolate nonpareils ready for the beginning of Act One of the greatest freak-show on earth - JECUSA - starring Griswoldo as Ringmaster and Victoria Jean Robinson as his sidekick.

Giovanni:
I agree with you--let the last (hopefully) freak-show begin! I hope that this group takes over the entire convention. I hope that they completely cow all the "moderate" delegates and weak-kneed clergy! Maybe then the laity will realize that they have to do something for Anglicanism to continue in America.

Fiona
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/3 9:00  Updated: 2006/4/3 9:35
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"I hope that this group takes over the entire convention. I hope that they completely cow all the "moderate" delegates and weak-kneed clergy! Maybe then the laity will realize that they have to do something for Anglicanism to continue in America."

Sometimes it's difficult to know what to pray for. I don't want evil to prevail, so I won't pray that the pansexual activists dominate the convention. I believe it would be evil for there to be some kind of weasel-worded compromise, so I won't pray for that either. I can in good conscience pray that the orthodox prevail--as unlikely as that might seem. However, that may or may not be God's will: sometimes He allows the evil deeds of evil people in order that His will be accomplished. But when He does this, He turns these into "light afflictions" (2 Cor 4:16-18; 12:9-10). "All things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose" (Rom 8:28). The two verses which preceed this provide great insight for us in our prayer life:

Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Rom 8:26-27.

Therefore, I simply pray that the orthodox Anglicans at the convention be guided by the Holy Spirit and "Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven" with respect to the outcome. I am reminded of a prayer by Metropolitan Philaret (particularly the last two sentences):

O Lord, I do not know what to ask of Thee. Thou alone knowest my true needs. Thou lovest me more than I myself know how to love. Help me to see my real needs, which are concealed from me. I do not ask either a cross or consolation. I can only wait on Thee. My heart is open to Thee. Visit and help me, for Thy great mercy's sake. Strike me and heal me; cast me down and raise me up. I worship in silence Thy Holy Will and Thy Inscrutable Ways. I offer myself and my suffering as a sacrifice for Thee. I put all my trust in Thee. I have no other desire than to fulfill Thy Will. Teach me how to pray. Pray Thyself in me. Amen.

Blessings,

wopriest+
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/3 15:51  Updated: 2006/4/3 15:51
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wopriest,

Thanx for sharing that prayer of Metropolitan Philaret - It puts everthing into razor-sharp focus. It cannot be repeated enough that we are to seek the Will of the Father. *Fear of the Lord is the beginnning of all Wisdom* - If we seek the Will of the Father, He will give unto us that which we ask and even more than that.

In Xrists Salvific Love,

Giovanni
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 Re: PANSEXUAL GROUPS PLAN MAJOR ASSAULT AT GENERAL CONVENTIO
It's been said that if the pansexual lobby does carry the day at General Convention, this will be the signal which will tell the rest of the Communion that it's business as usual in ECUSA. I agree. And unless I miss my guess, it will also officially signal the beginning of the process for the establishment of a new orthodox Anglican province.

Unless both Houses of General Convention officially reverse their stand on the ordination and consecration of non-celibate homosexual bishops, blessing of same-sex unions, and forty-plus years of heretical teaching and preaching, it will be a "done deal." There is no Middle Way, and there is no room for compromise. Nothing short of abject, outright and public repentance and atonement will suffice. I do not think it will happen without these changes.
DnNeal
Posted: 2006/4/3 19:46  Updated: 2006/4/3 19:48
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 Re: PANSEXUAL GROUPS PLAN MAJOR ASSAULT AT GENERAL CONVENTIO
Cennydd

I just took the time to read some of the material on the Parent's Rights coalition website and I was horrified.

You are so right.

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There is no Middle Way, and there is no room for compromise. Nothing short of abject, outright and public repentance and atonement will suffice.


These folks are out to infiltrate every level of society and have done so to a large extent. They have even mananged to set themselves up in the the church. They are not benign and seek to corrupt our children with ideas and worse.

We cannot stand for this any longer and pretend these are reasonable people. Reasonable people don't teach children how to do the things described in the website above. We simply cannot sit by and be silent any more while men and women in purple or black shirts with white collars with their cronies spew the same venom from Christian pulpits.

Lord have mercy on us for allowing it for so long.

Neal
doc4sale
Posted: 2006/4/3 20:34  Updated: 2006/4/3 20:34
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 Re: DAMN THE TORPEDOES, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!
I agree... It's obvious the ACN is banking on some action in Columbus which will be decisive. Amazing ! ECUSA has NEVER made any decisive decisions ! They won't now. WHY, I ask, are we wasting our time... They will not adopt anything which allows the AB to make a definitive determination of repentance.. That's a given. What is OUR plan ? Let's move on and let ECUSA slide into the abyss...With Christian Love... of course.
Cennydd
Posted: 2006/4/3 21:09  Updated: 2006/4/3 22:23
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 Re: DAMN THE TORPEDOES, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!
Doc, Let me put it this way: Even if the House of Bishops or the House of Clerical and Lay Deputies took NO action, the very fact that they didn't DO anything should be reason enough for the ACN bishops to take action! If the bishops rejected any gay bishops' election and refused to allow same-sex unions, while doing nothing about apologizing and atoning for over forty years of heresy, that wouldn't be good enough! It's all or nothing! Half-way measures just won't do it!
ZachD
Posted: 2006/4/8 20:06  Updated: 2006/4/8 20:06
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 Re: DAMN THE TORPEDOES, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!
I have scanned only a brief number of responses.

I'd say, forget the beer, popcorn, and ringside seats. If you love what your church stands for, and what it can be again as a witness of Christ's love to a pathetically broken world, then it is more than time to take action to preserve it from error and evil. This long planned fight eventually had to come to the full light of day, which is now.

The revisionists and their cohorts must appeal to the vote. There are enough (for starters) VOL supporters who need to get involved in their local and national processes, in order to avert this train wreck.

Your GC is only a month or so away. Learn a lesson from your Canadian counterparts - participate in your GC, if at all possible. Error can be averted by the hand and grace of God. If this great tradition were not potentially capable of doing great things in this world with the gospel, it would not be under such seige and attack.

My encouraging word at this point - get to your knees with prayer and fasting. There will be plenty of things to do beforehand, and in response to the motions that reach the floor of the GC. Do not abandon the fight at the Convention! In Canada, the faithful went home, leaving the usurpers to pass disasterous and conniving motions that will act to destroy the church. Plug in to your orthodox organizations instantly, AND PREPARE TO DO SOME GOOD WORK. IT IS TRULY NOT TOO LATE!
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/4/8 22:37  Updated: 2006/4/8 22:37
 Re: DAMN THE TORPEDOES, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!
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My encouraging word at this point - get to your knees with prayer and fasting. There will be plenty of things to do beforehand, and in response to the motions that reach the floor of the GC. Do not abandon the fight at the Convention! In Canada, the faithful went home, leaving the usurpers to pass disasterous and conniving motions that will act to destroy the church. Plug in to your orthodox organizations instantly, AND PREPARE TO DO SOME GOOD WORK. IT IS TRULY NOT TOO LATE!


From the 1928 BCP:

For the Church.
Oh gracious Father, we humbly beseech thee for thy holy Catholic Church; that thou wouldest be pleased to fill it with all truth, in all peace. Where it is corrupt, purify it; where it is in error, direct it; where in any thing it is amiss, reform it. Where it is right, establish it; where it is in want, provide for it; where it is divided, reunite it; for the sake of him who died and rose again, and ever liveth to make intercession for us, Jesus Christ, thy Son, our Lord. Amen.

I pray this alot.

Mick
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