Why African Anglicans would oppose ordination of homosexuals: A rebuttal
By The Rev. Luke Mbefo
Pittsburgh Post Gazette
In response to "A Gospel of Intolerance" by The Rt. Rev. John Bryson Chane, Episcopal bishop of Washington (Forum, March 5):
Bishop John Bryson Chane invites reaction to the current movement of "intolerance" that threatens the rights of gays and lesbians within the Anglican Communion. This movement of exclusion is led by Archbishop Peter J. Akinola of the Anglican Church of Nigeria. In Bishop Chane's op-ed essay, he urges church members and American citizens to make known their minds on this issue. Being a Nigerian citizen, I offer my opinion to help the wider American public to know the mind of Africans.
Westerners are heirs of a worldview created by the European Enlightenment, a scientific worldview that is mono-dimensional in its appreciation of reality. For them to understand Africans correctly, there is need for a sort of mental "conversion" that is disposed to give credit to a pre-scientific and therefore mythic mentality.
Africans live in two interpenetrating worlds at the same time. For them the individual, although endowed with those rights the Enlightenment considers sacred, is not recognized as the measure of all things. The African world of experience belongs to what writers on religious experience name "the primordial tradition." It is centered in the ubiquitous world of spirit which envelops and intermingles unceasingly with the world of peoples.
The decision of a section of African Anglicans to break with the U.S. Episcopal Church because of the consecration of a gay bishop, and to delete references to the mother church in Canterbury from the constitution, cannot be properly appreciated when separated from the role African traditional religion continues to play in African forms of Christianity.
The present generation of Anglican bishops in Africa are heirs of a two-fold tradition. Before many of them became Christians, they had been formed by the traditional religions of their ancestors.
The veneration of ancestral religious tradition is strongly embedded in them and their acceptance of Christianity is, in many ways, based on Christianity's congruence with that traditional heritage. They are opposed to the ordination of gay people because their reading of the Hebrew-Christian Bible and their traditional African piety have no sympathy with gay practice.
Homosexuality is, in their traditional heritage, seen as taboo and anybody seen to be so inclined was thought of as threatening the divinely ordained order of the community. In this tradition, the individual is free to the extent that he or she is at the service of the common good and not in so far as he or she is the center of sacred rights and privileges.
In their pre-Christian tradition, the right to homosexual orientation would be considered a taboo that threatens the divinely ordained order of society. Their value for children as the continuation of the race is definitely threatened by gay practice. Children are treasured as fruits of marriage and any union, as a gay union, that prevented the propagation of the community's growth was a personal shame to be openly censured.
In the African traditional moral profile, the Vatican document's reference to homosexuality as "intrinsically disordered" would evoke positive resonance and Pope Benedict XVI's description of the Western worship of personal freedom as "anarchy of freedom" would attract unanimous endorsement.
It may be that the African bishops still need to be convinced that the understanding of human nature needs to be imaginatively framed to accommodate homosexuality and gay tendencies. To do that, however, they still need to be convinced that ancestral traditions are no longer a valid legacy in our post-modern world.
Their extraordinary courage in the face of Western worship of individual freedom cannot but correct the image of the African continent as a passive consumer of foreign ideas.
They see themselves as iconic of traditional values and lifestyles that are life-giving rather than death-promoting, values which an uncritical embrace of a scientific culture perhaps does overlook: such values as those of solidarity and community, of courage to stand up for what are considered perennial and classical values as opposed to what they consider artificial and ephemeral cultural conventions of political correctness.
If one were to ask the African bishops for an empirical justification of their position, they would gladly point to the overcrowded and bustling church attendance in African churches as compared with the empty pews of Western cathedrals.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06067/666593.stm
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| essodalori | Posted: 2006/3/29 14:23 Updated: 2006/3/29 15:39 |
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All of this is true, and this piece is well-argued.
Having lived in West Africa for some time, I can tell you that Africans in general have a much deeper connection with the real things of life than most Europeans, and than with many Americans - things such as the deep differences between male and female, family, the earth, the animals, children, conversation, etc. etc. In the West, we constantly strain to dehumanize ourselves, to turn ourselves into shallow beings that live to be entertained and titillated and sated - and that obviously goes aganist Christianity - for Christ came to make us a fully human as we can be - and as close to the image of God as we can be. Finally, though, the writer (and many liberals as well) are mistaken in thinking that the West has embraced the homosexual agenda. Over 1/2 of all Americans believe that homosexual acts are immoral - for any reason whatsoever (and I am certainly among them); 70% of Americans believe homosexuals' adopting children is wrong; 75% of Americans believe Boy Scouts is right to ban homosexual scoutmasters; 80% of parents do NOT want homosexuality held out to their children as normal or good or Godly, or something that is morally neutral (nothing could be further from the truth). The vast majority of Americans do NOT want their children exposed to homosexuality at all (and they are right and Christian to so not want). Many people think the whole world is changing on such things; it isn't. That's what the liberal press wants you to believe. It's not true. That's the primary reason why ECUSick is in deep hyperventalatory shock now; they thought the whole world was just waiting to embrace sodomy. They was wrong. The promotion and glorification of acts like homorectalsodomy has just about reached its apex in the West. People are understanding that if they don't fight the homosexualization of society, all of society will be degraded, Christianity will come under attack, and their children will grow up confused and as prey for homosexuals (physical, spiritual, emotional, etc. etc.). God has infinitely better things for us. With Christian love, Essodalori |
| warmac9999 | Posted: 2006/3/29 16:50 Updated: 2006/3/29 16:50 |
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The sanctioning of any behavior is now considered "tolerance". There is a real philospophical correlation between the "tolerance" of homosexuality and the "tolerance" of illegal immigration. Homosexuality was and is corrupt and perverse behavior. Illegal immigration was and is illegal behavior. But both behaviors are eventually destructive to the coherence of any society.
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| Traktaryan | Posted: 2006/3/29 16:57 Updated: 2006/3/29 16:57 |
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"If one were to ask the African bishops for an empirical justification of their position, they would gladly point to the overcrowded and bustling church attendance in African churches as compared with the empty pews of Western cathedrals."
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/3/29 20:29 Updated: 2006/3/29 20:29 |
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He can't, because he's not capable!
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/3/30 0:07 Updated: 2006/3/30 0:07 |
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"Having lived in West Africa for some time, I can tell you that Africans in general have a much deeper connection with the real things of life than most Europeans, and than with many Americans - things such as the deep differences between male and female, family, the earth, the animals, children, conversation, etc. etc."
Dear Esso, As someone who has lived most of his adult life outside of the US, I can affirm that your observations are applicable outside Africa. The reality is that Western Civilization is the most impervious society in the world to the Gospel. Most of those in the Southern Hemisphere are smart enough to recognize truth when they hear or see it. Unfortunately, most Westerners, in their arrogance, wouldn't recognize the truth even if it smacked them in the face. The truth is immediately observable through their ears and eyes, but they are deaf and blind--they "tune it out." Most Westerners today fit the old French expression,"too smart by half"--they are so smart that they "out fox" themselves. The truth of Scripture is evident to those who want to hear and see and it is silent and invisible to those who choose to ignore it. Esso, I really appreciate your contributions here on VOL. Lenten blessings to you and all your family. wopriest+ |
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| essodalori | Posted: 2006/3/30 0:26 Updated: 2006/3/30 0:31 |
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"The reality is that Western Civilization is the most impervious society in the world to the Gospel."
--- Dear wopriest, Thank you so much for the kind words above; the regard is firmly and sincerely mutual. I have learned much already from your incisive and learned posts (and I look forward eagerly to learning more!). You know, it is the great project of man, once shorn of God, to create great unrealities and phatasms for himself to 'enjoy.' Whether it be pornography, whole new video worlds, families without the components necessary to families, sex without male and female, excitements and allurements that are meant to turn life into one great amusement park visit where refelction can never be had, whole new societal and legal structures erected to protect ones vulnerable feelings...the list goes on and on. I remember C.S. Lewis' describing what a well-off teen boy learned from his tutor in the 14th century - the deep truths of God, of Scripture, of Christ, of family, male and female, the order of society, animal husbandry, hunting, soldiery, agriculture, carpentry, engineering, the art of conversation, diplomacy, the proper wooing of a woman, the great mysteries of life and death, the virtues, the great sins, politics, history, the rise and fall of empires, etc. etc. Education then was connected with deep truth. Today it is increasingly only connected with earning money (often creating those great phatasms). We in the West are becoming Huxley's Brave New World - the very least that man can be. That is, of course, just the very opposite of what Christ came to do with man. It's amazing how little men will sell their souls for. With much Christian love, Esso |
| polyphemos | Posted: 2006/3/30 1:54 Updated: 2006/3/30 1:54 |
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If this had been written by a European minister, he would have been immediately castigated for racism. There isn't a single racist reference in the piece, mind you, but the obvious evidence of pride of origin simply would not stand in today's revision of European and American history.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/3/30 3:30 Updated: 2006/3/30 3:30 |
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"nothing we do can be compared to the majesty of God and the Grace of His Son."
That Daisy is one very bright pup! Blessings, wopriest+ |
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| essodalori | Posted: 2006/3/30 11:45 Updated: 2006/3/30 11:45 |
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"That Daisy is one very bright pup!"
--- She gets it from her master! With Christian love! Esso |
| mathman | Posted: 2006/3/30 19:40 Updated: 2006/3/30 19:40 |
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A well-reasoned article is found here.
The point should be better comprehended: the Enlightenment was radically incomplete. Our reason is not the sole interpreter of all things. We are merely capable of reason, though we often do not employ reason in our daily lives. A truly enlightened person would know that reason has a limited applicability. Those things which can be specifically measured can be reasoned about. We can measure forces, distances, times, chemical compositions, and so on. Thus we can reason about them. What was lost in the theoretical primacy of reason was the entire body of medieval thought: what about purpose? Is there a purpose for life? Is there a purpose for the chain of existence? Can we point to a Creator Who sustains and maintains all life? Such a Creator can certainly be perceived, but not (sorry, Descartes) reasoned out. Therein lies the error of the enlightenment. Too much reason, like too much Vitamin C, can be toxic. Too much saccharine killed off those lab rats. Yet a deficit of Vitamin C causes scurvy. The secret: limit reason to its applicable domain. Let God be God and let reason rule those things which can be quantified. The day somebody can put a ruler on God is the day I will believe that we can reason our way to Him. |
| gregory | Posted: 2006/3/30 19:56 Updated: 2006/3/30 19:56 |
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Mathman, thanks for that shining post.
i've always been told; When reason becomes unreasonable well then it is no longer reason. ecusa is unreasonable... ![]() |
| Philippa | Posted: 2006/3/31 12:05 Updated: 2006/3/31 12:05 |
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"If one were to ask the African bishops for an empirical justification of their position, they would gladly point to the overcrowded and bustling church attendance in African churches as compared with the empty pews of Western cathedrals".
Well, Amen to that...not bad for a bunch of "animists", right, Spong?!! Frankly, if it were me, I'd rather be an animist than a radical idiot. It's not the African bishops who have lost half the church membership on their watch... In Christ, Philippa |

















