Expert Doubts 'Gospel of Judas' Revelation
Expert Predicts Mysterious 'Gospel of Judas' Won't Reveal Anything About Jesus' Infamous Disciple
By RICHARD N. OSTLING AP
Religion Writer The Associated Press
3/3/2006
NEW YORK - An expert on ancient Egyptian texts is predicting that the "Gospel of Judas" a manuscript from early Christian times that's nearing release amid widespread interest from scholars will be a dud in terms of learning anything new about Judas.
James M. Robinson, America's leading expert on such ancient religious texts from Egypt, predicts in a new book that the text won't offer any insights into the disciple who betrayed Jesus. His reason: While it's old, it's not old enough.
"Does it go back to Judas? No," Robinson told The Associated Press on Thursday.
The text, in Egypt's Coptic language, dates from the third or fourth century and is a copy of an earlier document. The National Geographic Society, along with other groups, has been studying the "Judas" text.
The society said Thursday it will release its report on the document "within the next few weeks" but didn't specify whether that would come via a book, magazine article or telecast.
Robinson has not seen the text that National Geographic is working on, but assumes it is the same work assailed by Bishop Irenaeus of Lyons around A.D. 180.
Irenaeus said the writings came from a "Cainite" Gnostic sect that jousted against orthodox Christianity. He also accused the Cainites of lauding the biblical murderer Cain, the Sodomites and Judas, whom they regarded as the keeper of secret mysteries.
National Geographic's collaborators on the translation and interpretation of the text include its current owner Mario Roberti's Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art in Basel, Switzerland and the Waitt Institute for Historical Discovery in La Jolla, Calif. Rodolphe Kasser, formerly of the University of Geneva, is the editor.
Robinson writes that the journey of the text to Switzerland was "replete with smugglers, black-market antiquities dealers, religious scholars, backstabbing partners and greedy entrepreneurs." In the process, Robinson fears, the fragile text may have been mishandled and parts of it lost forever.
Robinson is an emeritus professor at Claremont (Calif.) Graduate University, chief editor of religious documents found in 1945 at Nag Hammadi, Egypt, and an international leader among scholars of Coptic manuscripts.
He says the text is valuable to scholars of the second century but dismissed the notion that it'll reveal unknown biblical secrets. He speculated the timing of the release is aimed at capitalizing on interest in the film version of "The Da Vinci Code" a fictional tale that centers on a Christian conspiracy to cover up a marriage between Jesus and Mary Magdalene.
"There are a lot of second-, third- and fourth-century gospels attributed to various apostles," Robinson said. "We don't really assume they give us any first century information."
A National Geographic response said "it's ironic" for Robinson to raise such questions since for years "he tried unsuccessfully to acquire this codex himself, and is publishing his own book in April, despite having no direct access to the materials."
National Geographic said it practiced "due diligence" with scholars "to save the manuscript before it turns to dust and is lost forever" and that everyone involved is committed to returning the materials to Egypt.
In "The Secrets of Judas," a HarperSanFrancisco book on sale April 1, Robinson will describe secretive maneuvers in the United States, Switzerland, Greece and elsewhere over two decades to sell the "Judas" manuscript.
He writes that he was approached about purchasing a group of manuscripts in 1983 and arranged for colleague Stephen Emmel, now at the University of Muenster, Germany, to meet in Geneva with go-betweens for the owner.
Emmel got a glimpse of the text but didn't know it was the "Gospel of Judas" till years later. He was told the original asking price was $10 million but it could be obtained for $3 million, an impossibly high figure for the interested Americans.
From there, Robinson traces a twisted sales trail through years and continents to this year's impending release.
Emmel is now a member of the National Geographic team along with other former students of Robinson, who hopes his colleagues will be providing solid information about the text's history and location.
Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/3/5 18:05 Updated: 2006/3/5 18:07 |
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I saw this story a few days ago and chuckled. It seems like people with a bias to any 2nd,3rd, or later century gnostic texts will stop at nothing to have it displayed and to suggest it is authentic.
The Catholic church has come across so many of these texts in its 2000 year history it is not funny. This will be no different. To get an indication of what one can expect, just take a trek to the local bookstore and get a copy of any of the Gospels of Thomas, Mary, Barnabas and one can see what the Gospel of Judas will look like! Shame on them! God Bless BHTech PS. Don't read them too seriously least one gets hooked on it and begins to believe in it. |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/3/6 3:16 Updated: 2006/3/6 3:16 |
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It never ceases to amaze: the efforts of the media and the anti-Christian establishment in America to try to pass off third and fourth century documents as having some light to shed on the origins of Christianity in the first century. Just last evening the History Channel ran a program again on the documents from this era [and featuring the likes of Dominic Crossan] and tried to suggest, using a number of different talking heads from academia, particularly so called "catholic" academia, to make orthodox Christianity the abberation and the bad guys by appeal to documents that have no lineage back to the first century and the apostles and the first disciples of Jesus. More of the same. When will orthodox Christians in America unite and stand up and make a coherent, sound rebuttal of this tripe and present the authentic history of our faith?
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/3/6 13:53 Updated: 2006/3/6 14:04 |
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John Dominic Crossan is a former priest who renounced his vows of priesthood so that he could be bound by matrimony - here's a link that shares about his *exploits*:
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/John_Dominic_Crossan A Catholic priest who gives up his vows to be with a woman is a pitiable creature at best. His blanket statement about Jesus being an illiterate peasant does wonders for his believability ![]() |
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| gregory | Posted: 2006/3/6 14:22 Updated: 2006/3/6 14:23 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/8/4 From: Nflorida Posts: 4481 |
Trevman,
"When will orthodox Christians in America unite and stand up and make a coherent, sound rebuttal of this tripe and present the authentic history of our faith?" Do NOT look for the Episcopal Bishop of North Florida, John Howard to be the one. Actually i'd like to see the Gospel of Judas, "insights into the disciple who betrayed Jesus", then maybe i could understand --Howard better... http://www.anglicanalliancenf.org/ |
| voxpop | Posted: 2006/3/6 15:55 Updated: 2006/3/6 15:55 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/8/18 From: Gaul Posts: 244 |
I used to work for a bishop who was a firm believer in the apostolical succession. He could trace his own all the way back to Judas.
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| essodalori | Posted: 2006/3/6 16:50 Updated: 2006/3/6 16:50 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
Isn't the Gospel of Judas that new book by Spong?
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| publius | Posted: 2006/3/6 17:38 Updated: 2006/3/6 17:38 |
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I think these "gospels" of Thomas, Judas, Peter etc. to be the theological equivalent of the smallpox bacterium. The public health authorities around the world battled smallpox for centuries and eventually, after great cost in lives and money, eliminated it. As we know, only two samples remain in labs.
The Church Fathers battled these false gospels during the first several centuries after Christ. All of them contained heresies as deadly for our spiritual lives as smallpox is to our bodies. After enormous effort and cost, the Church Fathers eliminated these heresies. To me, it doesn't matter is the manuscipt is authentic; what matters is whether it is heretical. Now modern scholars are seeking to reintroduce the long suppressed heresies into the public descourse. The modern reintroduction is not for historians to debate the authenticity of the manuscript, but to introduce the ideas in the Judas "gospel" to the general population. This is akin to the Centers for disease Control deliberately reintroducing smallpox. What are they thinking? |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/3/6 20:43 Updated: 2006/3/6 20:43 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/1/3 From: Posts: 3472 |
I've read bits of the Gospel of Thomas. Firt of all, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Secondly, it is in such a style as to be self-evidently an inferior text created by an amateur. The present canon, on the other hand, are excellent works in their own right.
There is a reason all the "pulp fiction" of the day was ignored in defining the New Testament (and probably the Old) -- most of it is trash! |
| mcb123 | Posted: 2006/3/7 2:33 Updated: 2006/3/7 2:38 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/8/10 From: St. James Anglican Church, OKC, OK Posts: 182 |
Agreed...I've read most of the gnostic, and variations thereof, texts and they are uniformly complete amateurish garbage. They all display completely scattered and confused thinking; play ludicrously childish mind games with the reader; pretend to impart some deep, obscure mystery, and generally make less sense than the Book of Mormon. I quit studying them because it became such a waste of time to read such obviously farcical "mystical" trash. It is perfectly clear to me now why the accepted canon is the accepted canon. The ancient Fathers of the Church indeed knew what they were doing. This new Judas thing will be more of the same...interesting as an ancient text, but of no use beyond that.
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| melora20 | Posted: 2006/3/7 13:48 Updated: 2006/3/7 13:48 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/3/27 From: Southern Indiana Posts: 227 |
Thanks for the link, giovanni33.
From there: "Crossan believes that Jesus was an illiterate peasant, but nonetheless a man of great wisdom and courage who taught a message of liberation." So, he's not a Christian. Good thing he renounced his vows. But not for the reasons he gave. |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/3/7 19:18 Updated: 2006/3/7 19:19 |
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Indeed. And with all due respect to some of my Morman friends, the Book of Morman reads like it was written under the influence of a whole lot of moonshine. That is to say, I could spin such yarns myself with enough distilled spirits and an appreciative audience.
But I don't think that is the same "Spirit" that inspired the rest of the Canon! |
| mcb123 | Posted: 2006/3/8 2:48 Updated: 2006/3/8 2:48 |
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There are indeed plenty of fine Mormon folks (and a lot of exceptions to that, if you read any of their history...), but I really had to struggle to finish reading the Book of Mormon without laughing out loud. With all due respect, it really does "sound" exactly like an extended version of the writing in the Monty Python "Holy Hand Grenade" sketch from the Search for the Holy Grail. Just call me Tim.
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