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Exclusives : WASHINGTON DC: Gospel of Intolerance:The "Gospel" according to Bishop John Chane
Posted by David Virtue on 2006/2/26 5:40:00 (6455 reads)

A Gospel of Intolerance: The "Gospel" according to John Chane Bishop of Washington

News Analysis

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
2/26/2006

John Bryson Chane, Bishop of the Diocese of Washington wrote an op-ed piece for the Washington Post recently in which he publicly berates and declaims against the Primate of Nigeria, Peter Akinola for taking a stand against same-sex marriages, accusing him of taking money from wealthy conservative foundations, fomenting schism leading to the formation of "his own purified [Anglican] communion" with himself at the head and much more.

Writing in the Post, Chane said this: "Archbishop Peter J. Akinola, primate of the Church of Nigeria and leader of the conservative wing of the communion, recently threw his prestige and resources behind a new law that criminalizes same-sex marriage in his country and denies gay citizens the freedoms to assemble and petition their government."

"The archbishop's support for this law violates numerous Anglican Communion documents that call for a "listening process" involving gay Christians and their leaders. But his contempt for international agreements also extends to Articles 18-20 of the United Nations Universal Declaration on Human Rights, which articulates the rights to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, association and assembly."

Bishop Chane has willfully distorted and twisted the facts to suit his diocese' and The Episcopal Church's own homoerotic ends.

Homosexual activity is a crime throughout most of the continent [of Africa], and childbearing is regarded as the essential function of marriage.

The Rev. Martyn Minns, rector of Truro Episcopal Church a cardinal parish in the Diocese of Virginia and a close personal friend of Archbishop Akinola said, on reading Chane's diatribe; "The money thing is absolutely not true -- as far as I know the Church of Nigeria does NOT get funding from any conservative foundations nor do they victimize homosexuals -- they love them and pray for them." He said the rest of the article was nothing more than a personal attack on Akinola at a time when he and the Church of Nigeria are engaged in a life and death struggle [with Islam] ... It is tragic ..."

A closer look at what Chane writes, reveals lies, half truths and embittered anger at a man who leads 18 million Anglicans (and who will double his province to 36 million in three years with aggressive evangelism), while the Diocese of Washington shrinks.

The diocese claims 42,000 baptized members but actual weekly Sunday attendance is less than 17,000 spread across 93 parishes and, like most dioceses, it has more funerals (578) than marriages (311). It is a diocese sustained by its closeness to secular power, the rich and powerful, many of whom have Episcopal DNA written into them, not by a coherent gospel.

Furthermore most of the funding for the diocese comes from the Soper Fund - the endowment of a rich Episcopal lady - which the bishop will raid this year to the tune of $1.26 million while the diocesan budget for 2006 appears headed for a deficit - the very model of financial stress.

And this while Chane accuses Akinola of accepting Foundation "gifts" of money from such wealthy donors as Howard Ahmanson Jr. and the Bradley, Coors and Scaife families, or their foundation to allow the Washington-based Institute on Religion and Democracy to sponsor so-called "renewal" movements that fight the inclusion of gays and lesbians within the Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian and Lutheran churches and in the United Church of Christ." All the while he is soaking the Soper fund just to keep his diocese afloat!

If it is inherently evil to accept money from conservative foundations then it is also wrong to accept money from a liberal left-wing billionaire like George Soros, whose far-left 527 Website MoveOn.org, funded anti-Bush ads during the last election. Soros has also been extremely critical of the distinguished Evangelical Episcopal pollster George Gallup.

Writes Chane: "It's no secret that the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion are engaged in a bitter internal struggle over the role of gay and lesbian people within the church. But despite this struggle, the leaders of our global communion of 77 million members have consistently reiterated their pastoral concern for gays and lesbians. Meeting last February, the primates who lead our 38 member provinces issued a unanimous statement that said in part: "The victimization or diminishment of human beings whose affections happen to be ordered towards people of the same sex is anathema to us. We now have reason to doubt those words."

Nowhere, in any of his utterances, has Akinola "victimized or diminished" homosexuals. He has described homosexuality as an "abomination" which contradicts the Bible and African values. That is a statement of fact about what the Bible proscribes about a behavior that the Apostle Paul himself says can exclude you from the Kingdom of God. Many North American and European evangelicals would agree with Akinola, and many have also described homosexual behavior as an "abomination," with 26 known sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV/AIDS resulting from anal sex. It is hard to imagine how one can uphold this behavior as good and right in the eyes of God.

Akinola has also said that homosexual activity is a reflection of human brokenness. He cites I Cor. 6:9, 10 "...Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." His commentary on that is that this shows that Paul is using the word "arsenokoites" translated "homosexual offenders" to stress the traditional Jewish understanding condemning all homosexual activity, not just rape or prostitution.

Chane says that Akinola threw his prestige behind the law that infringed upon press and religious freedom by authorizing Nigeria's government to prosecute newspapers that publicize same-sex associations and religious organizations that permit same-sex unions.

There is no verifiable evidence that Akinola has said that newspaper editors should be prosecuted for writing pro-gay stories. This writer has searched the Internet in vain for such a story. A recent alleged gathering of 800 Nigerian Anglican homosexuals supported by the British organization Changing Attitudes turned out not to have taken place and Akinola condemned it. All the while the American Episcopal Church is pushing its Integrity organization in Uganda, Nigeria and wherever it can gain a foothold on African soil.

The unwavering stance of the African Anglican bishops on homosexuality has won praise from the Nigerian president Olusegun Obasanjo, himself a born-again Christian. He lauded the African bishops for standing for biblical values rather than heeding to the financial pressures of the Western world, during a speech to the premier African Anglican Bishops Conference

But Akinola has also not been afraid to come down hard on his own government and recently got in the face of the President over corruption in his own government.

And why shouldn't Akinola support the government on the homosexual issue? Americans regularly shout their support or otherwise on a whole of host of issues raised by their government. Every single state is or will be embroiled in legislation over same-sex unions, and not all will agree on how it should be handled or the outcome.

And what would Chane say about the French Government which, at the request of the President of the French National Assembly has concluded that homosexual 'marriage' and adoption by homosexual couples, and medically assisted procreation for homosexual couples should not be permitted by law. The decisive factor to the report's conclusions, after an investigation of more than a year, was the commission's decision to act "to affirm and protect children's rights and the primacy of those rights over adults' aspirations."

Now the French are regarded as bastions of post-Christian Enlightenment, and they have been the object of US hatred to the point that some idiots in congress renamed French Fries, Freedom Fries, none of which merited a word from the enlightened Mr. Chane.

Chane continues: "Were Archbishop Akinola a solitary figure and Nigeria an isolated church, his support for institutionalized bigotry would be significant only within his own country. But the archbishop is perhaps the most powerful member of a global alliance of conservative bishops and theologians, generously supported by foundations and individual donors in the United States, who seek to dominate the Anglican Communion and expel those who oppose them, particularly the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church of Canada. Failing that, the archbishop and his allies have talked of forming their own purified communion -- possibly with Archbishop Akinola at its head."

Now this writer has gotten into personal trouble with Archbishop Akinola over suggesting that a split might occur in the Anglican Communion and a Third Province formed. The Nigerian Primate has firmly denied that he has any interest in splitting the communion and he affirmed this at the recent South to South Anglican leaders meeting in Egypt. What he has done is to form the Convocation of Anglican Nigerian Churches in America (CANA) in response to hundreds of thousands of Nigerian Anglicans who found they could not worship at revisionist ECUSA parishes that preached 'another gospel'. That's has nothing to do with forming a "purified communion" with him as its head.

Chane then excoriates Anglicans for not raising any opposition to the archbishop. "When I compare this silence with the cacophony that followed the Episcopal Church's decision to consecrate the Rt. Rev. Gene Robinson, a gay man who lives openly with his partner, as the bishop of New Hampshire, I am compelled to ask whether the global Christian community has lost not only its backbone but its moral bearings. Have we become so cowed by the periodic eruptions about the decadent West that Archbishop Akinola and his allies issue that we are no longer willing to name an injustice when we see one?"

The truth of the matter is that the Anglican Communion is torn and divided over homosexuality to the point that the Episcopal Church has been asked to "walk apart" from the rest of the Communion, while tens of thousands of Episcopalians are publicly and privately leaving the ECUSA with dozens of parishes and their priests either fighting for their properties or walking away from them.

Chane invokes the archbishop's support for this law which, he says, violates numerous Anglican Communion documents that call for a "listening process" involving gay Christians and their leaders.

Anyone who has watched and "listened" to the whine of gays wanting their behavior brokered into the church first at Lambeth '98 with Resolution 1:10 and subsequently with the setting up of the "Listening" post by the AAC knows what this is really all about. It is not about seeking the truth about homosexual practice, it is about wearing down the orthodox so they will eventually cave in.

While the homosexual debate has evangelicals hemming and hawing and trying to make their timid objections friendly, all the while knowing that no matter how many qualifications are made, they will still be portrayed as back woods fundamentalists. Akinola, on the other hand, is immune to these concerns. He writes, "I cannot think of how a man in his senses would be having a sexual relationship with another man. Even in the world of animals, dogs, cows, lions, we don't hear of such things."

Chane: "I also feel compelled to ask the archbishop's many high-profile supporters in this country why they have not publicly dissociated themselves from his attack on the human rights of a vulnerable population. Is it because they support this sort of legislation, or because the rights of gay men and women are not worth the risk of tangling with an important alliance?"

They have not, and will not, because the issue is not about human rights but human behavior and no orthodox Episcopalian will support what the bishop asks for.

Says Akinola: This is "a new imperialism." It's "colonialism" all over again. It is a white, European agenda being forced onto the African Church. Akinola noted that ". . . the rich Churches in Europe, America and Canada . . . have long used their wealth to intimidate the financially weak Churches in Africa."

Chane touts the Robinson consecration as a model of Episcopal tolerance, but recent events in that bishop's life reveal deep duplicity over his self-acknowledged alcoholism and withdrawal from public and ecclesiastical life embarrassing his followers and the Episcopal Church House of Bishops.

The truth is Chane is petulantly behaving like a Buddhist with an anger management problem. His pluriform understanding of truth and sex is emptying the Episcopal Church and making a mockery of Christianity to Islam and isolating us from the great Orthodox churches of the East, Roman Catholicism and millions of Evangelicals around the world.

It is not Archbishop Akinola who has got it wrong, it is Bishop Chane. With no gospel but inclusion to proclaim, his diocese will, over time, wither and die, a portent of the national church itself. Akinola the man, and his province, will only go from strength to strength.

"I'm happy that he's shouted. Someone has to shout," said a Nigerian woman leader who has studied and lived in New York City. "Otherwise America will drag the whole world into hell."

END




A Gospel of Intolerance

By John Bryson Chane
Bishop, Episcopal Diocese of Washington
Sunday, February 26, 2006

It's no secret that the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion are engaged in a bitter internal struggle over the role of gay and lesbian people within the church. But despite this struggle, the leaders of our global communion of 77 million members have consistently reiterated their pastoral concern for gays and lesbians. Meeting last February, the primates who lead our 38 member provinces issued a unanimous statement that said in part: "The victimization or diminishment of human beings whose affections happen to be ordered towards people of the same sex is anathema to us."

We now have reason to doubt those words.

Archbishop Peter J. Akinola, primate of the Church of Nigeria and leader of the conservative wing of the communion, recently threw his prestige and resources behind a new law that criminalizes same-sex marriage in his country and denies gay citizens the freedoms to assemble and petition their government. The law also infringes upon press and religious freedom by authorizing Nigeria's government to prosecute newspapers that publicize same-sex associations and religious organizations that permit same-sex unions.

Were Archbishop Akinola a solitary figure and Nigeria an isolated church, his support for institutionalized bigotry would be significant only within his own country. But the archbishop is perhaps the most powerful member of a global alliance of conservative bishops and theologians, generously supported by foundations and individual donors in the United States, who seek to dominate the Anglican Communion and expel those who oppose them, particularly the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church of Canada. Failing that, the archbishop and his allies have talked of forming their own purified communion -- possibly with Archbishop Akinola at its head.

Because the conflict over homosexuality is not unique to Anglicanism, civil libertarians in this country, and other people as well, should also be aware of the archbishop and his movement. Gifts from such wealthy donors as Howard Ahmanson Jr. and the Bradley, Coors and Scaife families, or their foundations, allow the Washington-based Institute on Religion and Democracy to sponsor so-called "renewal" movements that fight the inclusion of gays and lesbians within the Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian and Lutheran churches and in the United Church of Christ. Should the institute succeed in "renewing" these churches, what we see in Nigeria today may well be on the agenda of the Christian right tomorrow.

Many countries have laws restricting marriage on any number of grounds. Some of these, such as age, kinship and marital status, for instance, are prudent, while most of us believe other sorts of restrictions, including race and religion, are oppressive and indefensible. Our global community has certainly achieved no consensus on the issue of same-sex marriage or the related issues of civil unions.

But the Nigerian law has crossed the line in several important respects. Its most outrageous provision deals not with marriage but with "same-sex relationships" and prohibits essentially any public or private activity in any way related to homosexuality. It reads in part: "Publicity, procession and public show of same sex amorous relationship through the electronic or print media physically, directly, indirectly or otherwise are prohibited in Nigeria."

Any person involved in the "sustenance, procession or meetings, publicity and public show of same sex amorous relationship directly or indirectly" is subject to five years' imprisonment.

The archbishop's support for this law violates numerous Anglican Communion documents that call for a "listening process" involving gay Christians and their leaders. But his contempt for international agreements also extends to Articles 18-20 of the United Nations Universal Declaration on Human Rights, which articulates the rights to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, association and assembly.

Surprisingly, few voices -- Anglican or otherwise -- have been raised in opposition to the archbishop. When I compare this silence with the cacophony that followed the Episcopal Church's decision to consecrate the Rt. Rev. Gene Robinson, a gay man who lives openly with his partner, as the bishop of New Hampshire, I am compelled to ask whether the global Christian community has lost not only its backbone but its moral bearings. Have we become so cowed by the periodic eruptions about the decadent West that Archbishop Akinola and his allies issue that we are no longer willing to name an injustice when we see one?

I also feel compelled to ask the archbishop's many high-profile supporters in this country why they have not publicly dissociated themselves from his attack on the human rights of a vulnerable population. Is it because they support this sort of legislation, or because the rights of gay men and women are not worth the risk of tangling with an important alliance?

As a matter of logic, it must be one or the other, and it is urgent that members of our church, and citizens of our country, know your mind.

The writer is Episcopal bishop of Washington.

Copyright 2006
The Washington Post Company

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Traktaryan
Posted: 2006/2/26 18:07  Updated: 2006/2/26 18:08
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 Re: A Gospel of Intolerance: The "Gospel" accordin
Dear Bishop Chane:

Archbishop Akinola has taken a stand against a thing God has condemned. And it doesn't suit you. You know what -- things are tough all over. What are you going to do about it?
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/2/26 18:20  Updated: 2006/2/26 18:20
 Re: A Gospel of Intolerance: The "Gospel" accordin
"It is not about seeking the truth about homosexual practice, it is about wearing down the orthodox so they will eventually cave in."

*******

How true this is. Harass and harass them until they cave in. Truth be told, homosexual practice can never be right in God's eye and is never equal to a heterosexual lifestyle.

Poor Bishop Chane. Me thinks he and all the rest of them should actually put their thoughts down and write a new Bible entitled "The Gospel(s) of lies" In their world it probably would be a best seller.
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2006/2/26 18:44  Updated: 2006/2/26 18:53
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 Re: A Gospel of Intolerance: The "Gospel" accordin
Dear Bishop Shame,

Your case of chronic knee-jerk is caused by the aggravated striking of the nerve by Truth.

I prescribe a regime of pure Repentence followed by a follow on course of Penance.

This may be accompanied by orthodox spiritual therapy and Bible study.

Failure to adhere to this prescription will result in high fevers and consumption by the flames of hell.

Your Great Physician,

Lord Jesus
Gideon_FL
Posted: 2006/2/26 18:54  Updated: 2006/2/26 18:54
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 Chane: "I don't get it!"
Chane wrote: Surprisingly, few voices -- Anglican or otherwise -- have been raised in opposition to the archbishop (Akinola). When I compare this silence with the cacophony that followed the Episcopal Church's decision to consecrate the Rt. Rev. Gene Robinson, a gay man who lives openly with his partner, as the bishop of New Hampshire, I am compelled to ask whether the global Christian community has lost not only its backbone but its moral bearings.
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Good question! The respect shown to Akinola and other evangelical gloval south Anglican leaders by most Christians in the U.S. certainly DOES contrast sharply with the disgust and disapproval of most U.S. Christians following the consent to VGR. Has the global Christian community lost it's backbone and compass? If you've spent any time with the Anglican bishops in Africa, or read the stories of how bravely the gospel is preached there, then you know for sure that they have incredible backbone and they take their moral "bearings" from Jesus and the bible. With this clever, but unintentional, rhetorical confession, Chane makes it clear that it is the US and Canadian epsicopal leaders such as himself that have neither backbone nor moral bearings.

The epsicopal emperor has no clothes!

Faithfully,
Gideon
dturk
Posted: 2006/2/26 19:39  Updated: 2006/2/26 19:39
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I hear that the CIA, MI6, and the former KGB are actively trying to recruit several of Chane's divinity school professors, due to their demonstrated excellence in the discipline of brainwashing....

Seriously, Chane has totally distorted some major issues which totally invalidate his position.

First, while several "Anglican Communion Documents" (whatever they are) may call for "listening" (whatever that is) to homosexuals, the Holy Scriptures, condemn any non heterosexual acts outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. The Word of God has been spoken. Case Closed. Further debate of this issue among Christians is as ridiculous as debating the appropriateness of worshiping Baal.

Second, trying to present Biblical teachings as being contrary to "Human Rights" is similarly nonsensical. In virtually every part of the world, especially the West, nearly everyone has the freedom from accepting Christian beliefs. (I would like to say freedom of religion, but in the case offending Islam, this so.) By condemning homosexual acts, devil worship, heterosexual fornication, etc., Christian doctrine is not actively interfering anyone's rights, for individuals are only subject to civil law. They are perfectly free to deny or accept Christian Doctrine.

Chane, like many other of his fellow liberal clerics wants all of the fame, prestige and money of the ECUSA without any of its historical beliefs. Which is why these charlatans will never go out and start their own religion, even though they are perfectly free to do so.
frcharlie
Posted: 2006/2/26 20:37  Updated: 2006/2/26 20:37
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 Re: A Gospel of Intolerance: The "Gospel" accordin
This is nothing new. Chane, like most of the loonyleft is a closet racist. Just like Spong's remarks in 1998 about the African's "primitive" spirituality, This boils down to "I wish those N______s wou;ldstay in their place.
Hatherly
Posted: 2006/2/26 21:05  Updated: 2006/2/26 21:05
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 Re: A Gospel of Intolerance: The "Gospel" accordin
Another Bishop has come our of the closet.I find it unimaginable that a Bishop could say such things about another Bishop...half truths at that.
Brian
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/2/26 21:20  Updated: 2006/2/26 21:20
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Quote:
"Have we become so cowed by the periodic eruptions about the decadent West that Archbishop Akinola and his allies issue that we are no longer willing to name an injustice when we see one?"


I spoke with Bishop Chane earlier today to clear up some of his confusing language.

Joe: Bishop, how would you define the word "up"?
Chane: Down.
Joe: Moral?
Chane: Perverse.
Joe: Justice?
Chane: Injustice.
Joe: Thank you for your time.

Anonymous
Posted: 2006/2/26 21:31  Updated: 2006/2/26 21:33
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Quote:
"When I compare this silence with the cacophony...."


Joe: Bishop Chane, what do you call an innocent baby in its mother’s womb?
Chane: Fetus.
Joe: What do you call a mother’s decision to end that life?
Chane: Her reproductive right.
Joe: What do you call people who oppose pansexual behavior?
Chane: Hatemongers.
Joe: What do you call traditional Christians?
Chane: Bible thumpers.
Joe: I think I'm catching on.
Chane: You will learn. I will teach you.
Joe: Why do you hate black people?
Chane: None of your business.

Cennydd
Posted: 2006/2/26 22:11  Updated: 2006/2/26 22:35
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 Re: A Gospel of Intolerance: The "Gospel" accordin
Bishop Chane, you and your friends in the House of Bishops....along with your supporters from Integrity....have repeatedly expected us to "listen" to the stories of lesbian and gay people. You have questioned the authority of Holy Scripture on many occasions....as has your friend John Spong. You have told us that we are wrong, that we discriminate against our fellow Anglicans who happen to prefer same-sex relations. You have told us that it is WE who have caused the schism which none of us wants, but which has been forced upon us....when you know perfectly well that you and your friends started this whole mess in 1973!

Because of the actions of an immoral, effete, openly homosexual professor known as "Quean Lutibelle," the promotion of homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle has been crammed down our throats! And you know very well what Holy Scripture says about it....yet you say that those who wrote the Scriptures were ignorant and misguided souls who didn't know better! Some of you have even gone so far as to suggest that Jesus Himself was gay!

Bishop, it is you and others like you who are responsible for the current state of affairs in the Episcopal Church! And yet, you pin the blame on US! The blame rests SQUARELY on YOUR shoulders....and for you to deny it would be a sin against God!

When you made your vows at your consecration, you agreed to "guard the faith, unity, and discipline of the Church" (BCP 1979). I have referred to the following question from the Rite of Consecration found in the 1928 Book of Common Prayer: "Bishop, are you ready, with all faithful diligence, to banish and drive away from the Church all erroneous and strange doctrine contrary to God's Word; and both privately and openly to call upon and encourage others to do the same? Answer: I am ready, the Lord being my helper." As you know, the question from the 1928 BCP asks what the 1979 BCP conveniently DOESN'T ask!

We reasserters know where you stand....and we don't like it! When the formal schism comes....and it will....the entire Communion will know who caused it to happen! And it WON'T be US!
mathman
Posted: 2006/2/26 22:12  Updated: 2006/2/26 22:12
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Too bad about Bishop Chane.
He wants to be either the Presiding Bishop, the Archbishop of Canterbury, or the Secretary General of the United Nations.
It is unfortunate that we now know why he wants an auxiliary Bishop for the Diocese of Washington. He wants someone else to do the administrative work while he pursues grander goals.
What happened to the Great Commission?
It is not the case that ++Chane accepts the Great Commission. Baptizing and making believers is no longer necessary if you are a universalist and an antinomian. And ++Chane is both. An antinomian, because he does not believe that the law applies to believers. A universalist believes that all are saved, and that there is no necessity for the peculiarity of Christ to receive salvation. If all are saved, then there is no problem.
So baptism is no longer necessary for receiving Communion in the Washington Diocese. Same-sex marriages are OK in the Washington Diocese. The testomony of personal prophecy and the tenets of those who have had revelations is now more important that scripture, tradition, or reason.
Oh, well. You should have seen the Convention. Heterosexuals were in short supply. Leadership roles were given to the gay, lesbian, transgendered, and bisexual. It was queer nation in action.

And that is where ECUSA has gone.

I repeat, GONE.
ArthurDoxy
Posted: 2006/2/26 23:02  Updated: 2006/2/26 23:02
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Tell me, just how much does a millstone weigh?

I don't know, myself, however someone might want to ask Bishop Chane. It appears that he has one hanging around his neck. (On a "Chane," nonetheless!)
Truthseekr
Posted: 2006/2/26 23:26  Updated: 2006/2/26 23:26
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it is not part of this thread,
but for the many interested in
the Shroud of Turin, an interesting article
http://www.greatspiritualbattle.com/fire.html
Truthseekr
Posted: 2006/2/26 23:41  Updated: 2006/2/26 23:41
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 Re: A Gospel of Intolerance: The "Gospel" accordin
Quote:

Your case of chronic knee-jerk is caused by the aggravated striking of the nerve by Truth.

I prescribe a regime of pure Repentence followed by a follow on course of Penance.

This may be accompanied by orthodox spiritual therapy and Bible study.

Failure to adhere to this prescription will result in high fevers and consumption by the flames of hell.


good post,
but I think it left out exorcism of the evil forces that have deluded the shameful bishop.
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/2/27 0:29  Updated: 2006/2/27 0:29
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"America will drag the whole world into hell."

Will probably be drug to Hell on the end of a Chane.

JimMcNeely
Posted: 2006/2/27 10:12  Updated: 2006/2/27 10:12
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No one has mentioned Chane's hypocrisy. He enjoins Akinola to "listen" while conveniently ignoring the Windsor Report's request for a moratorium on same-sex blessings. Unless I am mistaken, Chane has said he will not stop or discipline his clergy for offering same-sex blessings.

The Loon Left: Masters of Selective Application.

-Jim+
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The diocese claims 42,000 baptized members but actual weekly Sunday attendance is less than 17,000 spread across 93 parishes and, like most dioceses, it has more funerals (578) than marriages (311). It is a diocese sustained by its closeness to secular power, the rich and powerful, many of whom have Episcopal DNA written into them, not by a coherent gospel.

This is the transgenerational problem for the ECUSA. When you have such a disparity between funderals and marriages, you get a snapshot of a church full of aging cradle Episcopalians who can't convince young people and young families to come to church. Take the 17,000 people who come to church on a given Sunday. Now take the number of funerals out to 20 years and you get a loss of 11,500 attendees assuming that an aging group departs this world at the same rate. To replace that loss you have to have at least 11,500 young couples with children. At best the numbers indicate about an even exchange if you assume 2.3 children per couple. The reality is that the funerals will increase, and the baptisms will decrease.
geohdeis
Posted: 2006/2/27 11:06  Updated: 2006/2/27 11:06
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 Re: WASHINGTON DC: Gospel of Intolerance:The "Gospel&qu
Doing a word search of the wonderful work of Chane, I could not find anything about God, Jesus, Lord, or Holy Spirit in the entire work.

If those words are not in there, does that show the true "spirit" behind them?

Maybe there is evil in high places near Washington! I never woulda' thunk it!
Cennydd
Posted: 2006/2/27 12:56  Updated: 2006/2/27 12:57
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Warmac, there's a contrast between the Diocese of Washington and my diocese, San Joaquin. While Washington is chock full of aging Episcopalians and has a dearth of young families, the situation is somewhat different here; at least in our mission church, but I suspect it's also true in many others. St Alban's has grown so much that we outgrew our facilities! The diocese purchased 6 acres of land for us just to the west of town, and as soon as it's annexed and re-zoned sometime this spring, we'll start building!

The real difference here, of course, is our diocese itself!
Philippa
Posted: 2006/2/27 13:13  Updated: 2006/2/27 13:33
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Quick, somebody call up Washington, DC because it has become a village that's missing its idiot.

"It's no secret that the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion are engaged in a bitter internal struggle over the role of gay and lesbian people within the church"...

Personally, I have no problem with "roles"; my beef is the sanction of Scripturally-described sinful behavior through the ordination, consecration, and "marriage" of people PRACTICING same.

Chane would do better to stick to motorcycles, bongs, and drums.

Prior to meddling in a foreign country's domestic affairs, it would behoove him to go live there for a while. Shouting out this sort of drivel on African street corners, I'm sure, would do wonders for the fragile peace(or lack thereof) in relations between devout Christians and Muslim extremists. Somehow I don't think the mantra of "gay rights" will go over too well in these areas of the world.

Well, Chane could always attempt discussing the merits of homosexual acts with the departed souls of the Ugandan martyrs.

Just when I thought the good "bishop" couldn't sound like a bigger moron, he went this far: "Many countries have laws restricting marriage on any number of grounds. Some of these, such as age, kinship, and marital status, for instance, are prudent, while most of us believe other sorts of restrictions, including race and religion, are oppressive and indefensible". So, I guess heterosexual, monogamous, committed marriage should not be taken as a Christian example but as "oppression". Wow, Chane is starting to sound more like Marvin Ellison every day: Committed, heterosexual monogamous marriage is limiting and oppressive. What we really need is a system of "polyamorous justice" where mulitiple partners, with no commitment, breeds a more egalitarian society.

While he's at it, Chane could always just dress up like Caligula and turn ECUSA into one big orgy--with everybody "included" and "equal"...

Is there anything remotely Christian about this? Somebody pass me the barf bucket...

In Christ,

Philippa
gregory
Posted: 2006/2/27 13:17  Updated: 2006/2/27 13:17
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Click here for forum

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[Feb 08, 2006]
NPR's "All Things Considered" on Tuesday examined the HIV/AIDS epidemic in Washington, D.C. According to NPR, the rate of new AIDS cases reported each year in the district is 10 times the national average. Of the district's more than 500,000 residents, an estimated one in 50 is living with AIDS and one in 20 is HIV-positive, NPR reports. Cornelius Baker, former executive director of the Whitman-Walker Clinic in the district, said several factors contribute to the high HIV-prevalence rate in the city. Baker said, "We have a smaller population, but we also have a large gay community. ... We also have a majority black population, and the black community is being ravished by this epidemic." Baker said a poor health care infrastructure, inadequate primary care and high rates of drug addiction also are factors. The city's high rate of incarceration also contributes to the number of HIV/AIDS cases in the city, he said. "When you look at what is the single most common factor that is present when a black woman is infected with HIV by her partner, [it is that] he was incarcerated," Baker said, adding that jails are a "breeding ground" for HIV transmission. According to Baker, black political and religious leaders in the district have been slow to acknowledge the epidemic in the city.

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PLEASE understand we are way past epidemic;
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warmac9999
Posted: 2006/2/27 13:56  Updated: 2006/2/27 14:00
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Cennydd brings up a very good point. Within the ECUSA, there are individual churches and even diocese that are prospering. This is to be expected as there are pockets of orthodox scattered throughtout the revisionist sea. Numeral details change as there are Episcopalians who move around because of job situations, family situations and retirement. (Churches in rapidly growing retirement areas may actually see an ECUSA membership boomlet.) In addition, the population of the USA continues to grow - so some of these people may very well try the ECUSA, particularly the LGBT folks in revisionist diocese. However, with the LGBT's only representing 2% of the population and a population that seldom goes to church, no religious organization can sustain itself for very long pandering to that bunch.

The fundamental problem, however, is transgenerational. The core of laity who advocate for the ECUSA is shrinking. These laity can't or won't encourage their children or grandchildren to attend the church because, in the main, they know that homosexuality and other revisionist ideas are morally and spiritually bankrupt. When the parents can't or won't bring their children to the church, the church eventually dies over time.

The decline caused by the revisionists is easily seen in the past 40 year history of the ECUSA. For example, if the decline was simply caused by population dynamics not revisionist ideology, the decline would be a somewhat smooth trend downward. However, in the case of the ECUSA, the decline is not smooth but is characterized by two sudden stairsteps that can easily be attributed to the decisions and actions by the revisionists who not only lost the first generation of Episcopalians but the second as well. The ECUSA now claims 2.3 million members but in the mid-1960s it claimed 3.5 million members. The real key is Average Sunday Attendance and it would be interesting to know what the ASA was in 1965 versus what it is today (under 800,000).
DnNeal
Posted: 2006/2/27 17:10  Updated: 2006/2/27 17:10
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Quote:
"The victimization or diminishment of human beings whose affections happen to be ordered towards people of the same sex is anathema to us. We now have reason to doubt those words."


Jim,

Apparently the "listening" is over.

Neal
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Posted: 2006/2/27 17:49  Updated: 2006/2/27 17:49
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Poor bishop………… Chane.
A Poem, by A. E. Piskopalene

Chane, Chane, Chane: The SpongeGriz man,
Justifying sodomy any way he can.

His diocese of the dead is killing off hope.
It’’s running out of money and he can’’t cope.

Sits in a Big Chair at Washington Cathedral
Speads a theology that’s perfectly lethal.

Might as well bottle and sell ebola.
For all the lies and hate he throws at Akinola.

Shame on you Chane, you bigoted jerk,
It’s time for you to find a new line of work.
Cennydd
Posted: 2006/2/27 18:07  Updated: 2006/2/27 18:07
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Pretty good poetry! Of course, Chane could always return to his former employment....slinging drumsticks as a drummer in a rock band! Too bad he didn't stick with it!
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/2/28 18:57  Updated: 2006/2/28 18:57
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Quote:
*Slinging drumsticks*


I don't know if I would even venture near a KFC if I knew they employed Bryson Chane
MarkP
Posted: 2006/3/1 1:03  Updated: 2006/3/1 1:03
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"Committed, heterosexual monogamous marriage is limiting and oppressive. What we really need is a system of "polyamorous justice" where mulitiple partners, with no commitment, breeds a more egalitarian society. "

You know, this is no joke. Thirty years ago, a gay bishop would have been inconceivable. Same-Sex "affection" was considered unconventional.

I hate the "slippery slide" arguments but, personally, I think that in a few years "polyamorous" relationships will become "holy" as long as you have a "right, loving, attitude" towards each of your many sexual partners. The related consideration, of course, is the "holy" one-night-stand.

What are we teaching our children?
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/3/1 2:26  Updated: 2006/3/1 2:28
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"personally, I think that in a few years "polyamorous" relationships will become "holy" as long as you have a "right, loving, attitude" towards each of your many sexual partners."

**********

Dear MarkP,

Many have suggested this is the next step after same-sex marriage. Personally, I don't think you are too far off the mark. No pun intended. It will happen and has in some country in Europe last year. A guy got married to two women.

As the Bible tells us, so shall it be as in the days of Noah when people were having a good time...

God Bless

BHTech
ArthurDoxy
Posted: 2006/3/1 10:16  Updated: 2006/3/1 10:16
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Cennydd said: ". . . slinging drumsticks as a drummer in a rock band!"

Let me guess: He was the former drummer for Alice Cooper, right?
Cennydd
Posted: 2006/3/1 15:38  Updated: 2006/3/1 15:38
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I think so, but I could be wrong.
DnNeal
Posted: 2006/3/1 16:11  Updated: 2006/3/1 16:11
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BHTech & MarkP

If memory serves me there was a story here not so long ago about a theologian presenting and supporting the idea of "polyamorous" relationships. I think it was to be at the New England conference. Of, course, I could be wrong but it struck me as the "next logical step" too.

Slippery slope indeed. Of course, given their a prioris this is at least consistent. Ah, those pesky a prioris. They always seem to work their way out even when surrounded by lots of denials and obfuscations.

There is no choice except to walk apart and take as many as we can with us.

Neal
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