LETTER TO BISHOP ROBINSON
(From First Things)
Dear Bishop Robinson,
I was dismayed by your February 13 letter, in which you trotted out so many of the same old oenophobic clichés. A diversity-loving man such as yourself ought to know that the word "alcoholism" is nowadays tantamount to "hate speech" and I was saddened to see that you have fallen victim to believing the dubious proposition that oenophilia can (and should) be "cured."
Long ago, Chardonnay rights activists (dismissively called "bums" by "straight" society) reclaimed the language, and adopted far more empowering terms for the great gift God has given them. Only those who lack an integrated affective libational maturity will use such medieval terminology as "alcoholism" to describe this wonderful gift.
In that spirit, you should reject the self-hatred that would let you label yourself an "alcoholic" (connoting something clinical, perhaps even "objectively disordered"). Rather, you ought to accept yourself as a "lush" (connoting what is verdant and bountiful).
Moreover, it is a well-understood psychological principle that the most vocal oenophobes are themselves oenophiles in secret. So please "come out of the cellar," Bishop Robinson, and embrace your identity as a lush, the way God made you.
It is my sincere hope that you will take this letter to heart, renounce your oenophobia, and decide once again to embrace the LGBT (Liquor, Gin, Beer and Tequila) community.
Sincerely,
(name withheld)
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/23 21:35 Updated: 2006/2/23 21:39 |
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*Embrace the LGBT (Liquor, Gin, Beer, Tequila) community*. I'm speechless............. |
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/2/23 21:56 Updated: 2006/2/23 21:56 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/1/3 From: Posts: 3472 |
I'll drink to that. A large tumbler of Victory Gin, please
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| PRISCA | Posted: 2006/2/23 22:54 Updated: 2006/2/23 22:54 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/8/3 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 269 |
There but for the Grace of God go I.
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| almostrev | Posted: 2006/2/23 23:07 Updated: 2006/2/23 23:07 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 1969/12/31 From: Posts: 487 |
Well written Gregory, I know that hand-writing anywhere.
Yours in Christ, jacob |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/23 23:33 Updated: 2006/2/23 23:33 |
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Here's to you all!
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/2/24 0:27 Updated: 2006/2/24 0:29 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Well written, and I'll have another Sam Adams Dark Ale, please! And if you don't have that, a pint of Guinness will do!
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/24 1:12 Updated: 2006/2/24 12:34 |
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| mcb123 | Posted: 2006/2/24 1:29 Updated: 2006/2/24 1:29 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/8/10 From: St. James Anglican Church, OKC, OK Posts: 182 |
You oenophiles out there haven't lived until you've tried a bottle, or two, of Salvator bock from Deutschland...originally brewed in a monastery, appropriately enough, since Salvator means "saviour".
I realize that this is not strict oenophilia, but I believe it to be an openly acceptable and acknowledged alternative drinkstyle, especially having been moved by the spirits. ![]() |
| aspire1983 | Posted: 2006/2/24 3:39 Updated: 2006/2/24 3:39 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/10/12 From: FORMERLY Diocese of Virginia / Now CANA Posts: 421 |
Well, in an odd way, it all makes perfect sense.
Homosexuals claim that homosexuality is genetically based. There is far more evidence that alcoholism (because it is observed to occur by the family load) is genetically based. If a person is going to embrace that which the Holy Bible condemns as an abomination, claiming the butt-punking tendencies are genetic, then why not also espouse the tendency to chug-a-lug to excess, which the Holy Bible only condemns as a sin? Why not have a Sot Pride Parade in New York City? Why not start a marketing group focused on raising sensitivity toward drunks, calling it Via Sangria? Why not raise money to research the AIDS question? (Am I Drunk, Sir?) Admitting that his inner voice can "do a good impression of God's voice," Gene Robinson, in a breath-taking display of egotism, after divorcing his wife and living in sin with his homosexual lover, decides, even after the nature of homosexuality is publically, verbally made explicitly plain at his consecration, to go ahead and allow himself to be consecrated bishop, thus laying the straw that will prove to have broken the proverbial camel's back, bringing to ruin, if not extinction, a once-great denomination and leaving the Anglican Communion in tatters. So now he wants to admit that on top of it all, he's alcoholic. Well, ain't that special? Okay, class... let's see a show of hands... who CARES that the consecrated butt-punker admits that he drinks too much? |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/2/24 3:40 Updated: 2006/2/24 5:23 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
Oh, I don't know, mcb....Spaten Franziskanerbrau is pretty good!
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/2/24 3:49 Updated: 2006/2/24 5:29 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6862 |
I really don't care that he admits he drinks too much....in fact, I really don't care about WHAT VGR says, to be honest with you! This guy is an absolute disgrace. I think it's time we took another look at the 39 Articles, and maybe start enforcing Article 26 dealing with the "Unworthiness of the Ministers."
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/24 6:45 Updated: 2006/2/24 6:51 |
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Alright you guys,
The trappist monks make some of the best brewskies around only to be beaten by a monastery brewery in Bavaria ( I forget the name ). ![]() ps. I'm partial to a 10 yr. old Stiff Single Malt Scotch entitled *Laphroiagh* which I'm enjoying as I write these lines... |
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| CATHROMANG | Posted: 2006/2/24 11:09 Updated: 2006/2/24 11:09 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/6 From: Posts: 264 |
Just stay away from the monks' artichoke liquer. I was blind for three days.
However, some real Greek Ouzo cured me. |
| essodalori | Posted: 2006/2/24 11:15 Updated: 2006/2/24 11:15 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
"Okay, class... let's see a show of hands... who CARES that the consecrated butt-punker admits that he drinks too much?"
--- Hey aspire. I care. I have no respect for the man at all, and indeed, I despise him for the evil he spreads. But we are commanded to love him nonetheless, and he is our brother, whether that revulses us or not. He is a soul (like each of ours) in need of saving. But he's a tough soul to crack. Vickie! (Are ya readin' this from your hospital bed?) Put down the drink and give up the deviant buttsex. Get drunk on the Bible instead, man. With Christian love! Esso |
| essodalori | Posted: 2006/2/24 11:16 Updated: 2006/2/24 11:16 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
Hey guys -
Lived in West Africa for some time. There's nuthin' like good palm wine, washed down with millet beer. (And I mean that.) With Christian love! Esso |
| gregory | Posted: 2006/2/24 11:39 Updated: 2006/2/24 11:40 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/8/4 From: Nflorida Posts: 4436 |
almost rev,
i been trying to be alittle low key... but the cooler talk got me again; ![]() i do not like the paper cups, ![]() |
| essodalori | Posted: 2006/2/24 11:58 Updated: 2006/2/24 11:58 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
"Just stay away from the monks' artichoke liquer. I was blind for three days.
However, some real Greek Ouzo cured me." --- Your post is makin' my head hurt, CATHROMANG! When Ouzo's the cure, what ails ya must be strong medicine indeed! Esso |
| Gideon_FL | Posted: 2006/2/24 15:38 Updated: 2006/2/24 15:38 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/8/25 From: SW FL Posts: 169 |
Why not have a Sot Pride Parade in New York City? Why not start a marketing group focused on raising sensitivity toward drunks, calling it Via Sangria? Why not raise money to research the AIDS question? (Am I Drunk, Sir?)
______________________________ Well, this is all very funny, but all very sad, too. When I talk to Christians from other denominations, the two things they usually know about ECUSAns is our obsession with homosexuality ("the gay church") and our reputation for over-imbibing ("whiskey-palians"). In VGR, we paid for one and got the other thrown in as a bonus. When all is done, more than the failure to uphold doctrine, the end of ECUSA will be blamed on the failure of so many dioceses to discern how to select Godly leaders. The church named for it's bishops will have been destroyed by those very bishops. Faithfully praying for an exit strategy, Gideon |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/24 15:38 Updated: 2006/2/24 15:39 |
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Esso,
Nothing that a little Jaegermeister won't cure - or for that matter Fernet Branca ![]() G-man |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/24 15:41 Updated: 2006/2/24 15:41 |
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Gideon_FL,
And here I thought it was Sherry-palians... G-man |
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| aspire1983 | Posted: 2006/2/24 15:44 Updated: 2006/2/24 15:44 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/10/12 From: FORMERLY Diocese of Virginia / Now CANA Posts: 421 |
G-Man - -
Quote: The trappist monks make some of the best brewskies ... Somehow, by your comment, I think maybe you want to become the next Bud Abbot! ![]() |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/2/24 15:46 Updated: 2006/2/24 15:46 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/1/3 From: Posts: 3472 |
Jaegermeister... oooooohhhhhhhh.
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| mgooch | Posted: 2006/2/24 15:47 Updated: 2006/2/24 15:50 |
Quite a regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/1/5 From: Posts: 68 |
<sarcasm on>
Dear Vicki Gene: I am entirely grateful that you have made the courageous step and publicly proclaimed that you are an oneophile. You are an inspiration to me and all others that want to be free. For years I have wondered about my own drinking identity. Since my teen years, I have always felt different when around friends. I never felt comfortable or fulfilled when drinking sodas or just plain water. I could never understand why I have had to hide my urges for another glass of wine. My thoughts tormented me when I felt the desire was due to my own weaknesses. Many times I found myself on the brink of suicide over my drinking identity. You have shown me the way. Thank you for proclaiming that oneophilia is genetic condition and beyond our control. When we reach for a glass or pull a cork, we can now realize that this is God’s will. I now know that God created magnums and half gallons for the strong of heart and mind. We can now openly show our praise of God by fully using His wonderful gifts. Proudly, I am now taking steps to proclaim my drinking identity. I endeavor to share this with all that I can. I have been visiting the downtrodden of inner cities proclaiming your new gospel. I have great successes in evangelizing to these poor souls. They, too, have felt that their drinking identity wasn’t their fault. All have asked for my help in furthering their experience; we share many words of encouragement (and drinks). I am humbled by my new ministry. Vicki Gene, I want to thank you for your stand to fully expose your gifts to others. I also feel blessed that I share your view of God’s Holy Scriptures and can avoid the condemnations contained about "drunkiness" and "excessive drinking." The writers of the Bible clearly weren't in a position to understand modern man and our needs. I do have one question…why do you want to be cured of your oneophilia if you say that it was God’s will that you be that way? Respectfully, W. C. Fields, Jr. <sarcasm off> With the love of Christ to all, mgooch |
| essodalori | Posted: 2006/2/24 16:08 Updated: 2006/2/24 16:08 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
Masterful, mgooch, masterful...
With Christian love, Essodalori |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/24 16:14 Updated: 2006/2/24 16:14 |
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Hey aspire1983,
I have no such pretentions - but I admit to still having a very teutonic lutheran predilection for 'suds - just like Martin Luther - I would really have enjoyed his gathering of friends at his home where food and brew flowed freely and the conversation was edifying. a brilliant mind with a heart for the commoner was he. Apropos gemuetlichkeit: The Icelandic priest Hallgrimur Petursson of the Lutheran Church of Iceland was known for his hospitality all over Iceland. He said: *There are two places where the fires burn constantly, Hell and my House*. G-man ![]() |
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| essodalori | Posted: 2006/2/24 16:22 Updated: 2006/2/24 16:22 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
Vickie's 'friend' to Vickie:
"This bod's for you..." With Christian love! Essodalori |
| essodalori | Posted: 2006/2/24 16:24 Updated: 2006/2/24 16:24 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
A gin and tonic at the end of the day, with a lime twist.
That's the one. With Christian love! Essodalori |
| mgooch | Posted: 2006/2/24 16:28 Updated: 2006/2/24 16:28 |
Quite a regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/1/5 From: Posts: 68 |
Thanks Esso.
With _Steve's absence, I figured that we needed something else to laugh about. Wth the love of Christ to all, mgooch |
| essodalori | Posted: 2006/2/24 16:31 Updated: 2006/2/24 16:31 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
Whoever said Christians are no fun?
W.C.l.! Esso |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/24 16:39 Updated: 2006/2/24 16:39 |
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mgooch,
_steve has transmogrified and become godislove G-man |
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| essodalori | Posted: 2006/2/24 16:46 Updated: 2006/2/24 16:49 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
Man at a bar:
"Make me an ECUSA, please." "An ECUSA - what the hell's that?" "Just mix a shot of evil with some casuistry, a drop of ungluedness, some illicit sex unrepented of, and a shot of asininity. Can ya do that?" "Sure, man, but why would you want to drink it?" "It goes down smooth, and when it starts to affect you, you just drink another one!" (You can start on my second one now... Here's to Vickie!) --- With Christian love, Essodalori |
| mgooch | Posted: 2006/2/24 16:58 Updated: 2006/2/24 16:58 |
Quite a regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/1/5 From: Posts: 68 |
Thanks G. I saw his/hers/its posts and immediately recognized the brown stains.
With the love of Christ to all, mgooch |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/24 17:12 Updated: 2006/2/24 18:42 |
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Yikes,
The leaky bowel syndrome of _steve/godislove. godislove: But if God IS Love then you shall truly follow and avoid *staining* yourself. G-man |
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| essodalori | Posted: 2006/2/24 18:28 Updated: 2006/2/24 18:42 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
Another man at a bar:
"Make me a WINDSOR please..." "Yeah, what's that?" "Well, ya need a shot of whitewash, and a spritz of intestinal non-fortitude, a dash of not-dealing-with-the-issue-at-hand, a dram of denial, a shot of slipperiness, a spritz of obscurity, and a rejection of rejection..." "Why would anyone drink it?" "It makes ya feel all good inside, by lettin' not have to think about the inevitable..." (As long as I keep drinkin,' the inevitable won't happen! Here's to Vickie!) With Christian love, Essodalori |
| Fiona | Posted: 2006/2/25 0:28 Updated: 2006/2/25 0:28 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/1/18 From: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 1071 |
Why not have a Sot Pride Parade in New York City? Why not start a marketing group focused on raising sensitivity toward drunks, calling it Via Sangria? Why not raise money to research the AIDS question? (Am I Drunk, Sir?)
Anyone want to join me at the pub after Sunday services? Fiona |
| Titus | Posted: 2006/2/25 5:44 Updated: 2006/2/25 5:53 |
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To CENNDYY,
All I can say is "BRAVO" and that idiot Griswold should be brought up on the same charges at the same time. Titus |
| ArthurDoxy | Posted: 2006/2/25 22:16 Updated: 2006/2/25 22:18 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/3/1 From: Albany Diocese Posts: 265 |
Aspire said: "Homosexuals claim that homosexuality is genetically based. "
It is genetic . . . it only occurs in males or females . . . and that's about as genetic as it gets. Now, when it comes to "psycho/sexual formation," that's 100%. |



























