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As Eye See It : Moral Climate Change in Britain - by N. T. Wright
Posted by David Virtue on 2006/2/21 15:20:00 (2513 reads)

MORAL CLIMATE CHANGE IN BRITAIN

by N. T. Wright

The following address was delivered to the House of Lords in London and was taken from Hansard notes.

I think it would be a mistake to confine our attention today to the Danish cartoons and their aftermath, regrettable though all that is, or indeed to the recent court cases. These fall within a larger moral and social landscape. We are faced with moral climate change, which is comparable to other forms of climate change and equally dangerous.

The 1960s swept away the old moral certainties, but getting rid of them has not made us happier or safer. Hence, the invention of new quasi-moralities out of bits and pieces of moral rhetoric; the increasingly shrill language of rights; the glorification of victimhood, which enables anyone with hurt feelings to claim high moral ground; and the invention of various "identities," which demand not only protection, but immunity from all critique. It was this messy but potent combination of neo-moralities that generated the religious hatred legislation, of which your noble Lordships, rightly in my opinion, took a dim view recently.

It is not just the invention of new moralities that should concern us; it is the attempt to enforce them-to enforce, that is, newly invented standards that, in some cases, are the exact opposite of the old ones. How else can we explain the attempted ejection of protestors, whether from a party conference or even, yes, from Parliament Square?

How else can we explain the anxiety not only of religious leaders but also of comedians when faced with the proposed religious hatred legislation? How else can we explain the police investigation of religious leaders, such as my colleague the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Chester or the chair of the Muslim Council of Britain for making moderate and considered statements about homosexual practice?

As the crimes in question have to do not with actions but with ideas and beliefs, what we are seeing is thought crime. People in my diocese have told me that they are now frightened to express their opinions down at the pub on matters of considerable public interest today for fear of being reported, investigated and perhaps even charged. I did not think that I would see such a thing in this country in my lifetime. The word for it is tyranny-sudden moral climate change enforced by thought police.

The answer cannot be simply to repeat the old 18th century slogans of "tolerance" or "freedom of speech", as if they were straightforward concepts that would commend themselves and restore everything to sanity very easily. They are not. The Enlightenment modernism, where those concepts find their natural home, is busy crumbling under the post-modern critique. Let us not fool ourselves-that is where we are culturally. In that climate, tolerance and freedom are reduced to mere licence and then are quietly redefined so that we will not any longer tolerate dissent from the new party lines that emerge. Intolerant tolerance is one of the greatest obstacles to genuine freedom of speech.

Whose freedom are we talking about anyway? Notoriously, the freedom of my fist ends where the freedom of your nose begins. Similarly, the freedom of my speech has always been curtailed by the freedom of your honour, as the laws of slander and libel have always recognised. Part of the problem of freedom of speech is that it is often the media that are most in favour of it, although they themselves often cheerfully censor information that cuts against editorial policy.

Freedom of speech is useless if it is only selectively enjoyed and if it is not combined with appropriate responsibility. It needs to be set within a larger context of social and cultural wisdom. We have to find a way through the post-modern morass, not to go back to the Enlightenment modernism-we cannot do that-but in order to go out the other side into the construction of a new world of civility and mature public discourse. For that, freedom of speech has to be reciprocal. It needs the disciplines of interaction, of patient listening and attention.

To that end, we must take the religious dimension seriously as part of the whole and not wave it away as dangerous or irrelevant, as some these days are inclined to do.

The increasingly shrill attempts to banish religion from public life are, I believe, self-defeating. Rather, we in the Church are committed as a matter of urgency to working on public issues with the other great households of faith. I mention particularly the new Christian-Muslim Forum, launched just last week, to stand alongside the Council for Christians and Jews, the Three Faiths Forum and similar bodies.

In these initiatives, tolerance is not the point. I can tolerate someone standing on the other side of the street; I do not need to engage with them. Tolerance all too easily supposes that all religions are basically the same and that they can all be discounted for purposes of public life. Thanks to the 18th century, that is what many people still believe. But tolerance is a parody of something deeper, richer and more costly for which we must work-a genuine and reciprocal freedom. It is a freedom properly contextualised within a wise responsibility. It is freedom not to be gratuitously rude or offensive-I totally agree with what the noble

Baroness, Lady Falkner, said about that-especially to those who are already in danger on the margins of society, but freedom to speak the truth as we see it while simultaneously paying great attention to listening to the truth as others see and speak it and to work forwards together from there.

That is so in matters of religion; it is so in matters of public policy; it is so in matters of sexual morality; and it is so in areas where all those issues and others rightly overlap and interlock. It is precisely that sort of wise, responsible freedom that is at risk if honestly held beliefs, clearly and respectfully expressed, are likely to get you into trouble with the law.

We must learn fresh wisdom before the moral climate changes irreversibly and the sea rises to engulf the moral lowlands where we presently live.

--The Rt. Rev. N. T. Wright is the Bishop of Durham
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essodalori
Posted: 2006/2/21 18:24  Updated: 2006/2/21 18:31
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"How else can we explain the anxiety not only of religious leaders but also of comedians when faced with the proposed religious hatred legislation? How else can we explain the police investigation of religious leaders, such as my colleague the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Chester or the chair of the Muslim Council of Britain for making moderate and considered statements about homosexual practice? "

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Here's how: Men have always sought to silence those who tell unpleasant or difficult truths. It's the same old, same old. (Just think Jesus Christ...) Homosexuals, in particular, are deeply allergic to many deep and basic truths, and their greatest desire, apart from wanting to be told their perverted sexual practices are 'normal,' is to never hear anyone say otherwise.

The thought police rule in Britain.

Be careful what you think.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
essodalori
Posted: 2006/2/21 18:27  Updated: 2006/2/21 18:32
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These days, I don't consider Canada, Britain, France or Sweden fit to visit, or to bring my family to.

Why?

I would not be allowed to say what I honestly believe about certain things - where what I believe is what God and Christ teach us.

There's no room for those who follow Christ these days in these countries.

They've become intolerant thought tyrannies.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/2/21 20:11  Updated: 2006/2/21 20:11
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Cherished brothers and sisters,

As far as I can tell in this life, I am with Esso 99.93% of the time.

Let me tell you, friends, WRIGHT IS RIGHT most of the time.

I hope you are all sitting down. Deep breaths, everybody. Please relax--and no phone calls. My publicist is overwhelmed.

N.T. ("Tom") Wright is a friend of a friend of a friend of mine.

I know this is an extraordinary revelation of my personal humanhood. You are all aware that I cherish my privacy. But as far as substance is concerned, Wright is usually right.

I LOVE YOU ALL!

jotv
P.S. WRITE WRIGHT a letter and tell him how much you love him.
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/2/21 20:33  Updated: 2006/2/21 20:33
 Re: Moral Climate Change in Britain - by N. T. Wright
Meanwhile, Joe of the Valley’s niece and nephew jump into the fray….

Sarah: Wright likes another rite other than the rite we use in church.
Billy: He has a right to that.
Sarah: I am thinking about writing to Wright.
Billy: Right.
Sarah: Write?
Billy: I said that you were correct.
Sarah: Oh.
Billy: Is Wright right?
Sarah: Usually. Actually, 99.93% of the time.
Billy: Are you a mathematician?
Sarah: Yes.
Billy: What else? A physicist?
Sarah: You got it.

jotv
essodalori
Posted: 2006/2/21 22:30  Updated: 2006/2/21 22:30
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Billy: So Sarah, as a mathematician and physicist, explain the following to me...

Sarah: Yeah, go ahead, shoot.

Billy: How do scientists explain the immense order with which the universe was born, and its beautiful unfolding and symmetry breaking into what we now see? And how were the universe's math axioms baked into the universe at its birth?

Sarah: I'll get back to you... Need to consult with my friend JOTV.

Billy: Great, thanks!


Esso
Joe of the Mountain
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It is freedom not to be gratuitously rude or offensive-I totally agree with what the noble Baroness, Lady Falkner, said about that-especially to those who are already in danger on the margins of society,


Uh huh. Explain that to the non-english-speaking colonial from the other side of Knightsbridge.

The Good Bishop can't quite bring himself to speak the truth of the matter. The attempts to ban religion from English public life have at least as much to do with making an end-run around the Moslems and Hindi, hoping that they will neither provoke nor be provoked if public speech is restricted.

Well guess what? They don't care about English laws and sensibilities. They know native English fear them and to their mind, fear is much superior to love.

Before the Americans get all high and mighty, please allow me to remind you about Watts, Newark, NJ and South Central lest you forget the power of an enraged but cohesive minority.
essodalori
Posted: 2006/2/22 0:20  Updated: 2006/2/22 0:38
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"Well guess what? They don't care about English laws and sensibilities. They know native English fear them and to their mind, fear is much superior to love."

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There it is; the truth.

The Europeans are peeing in their pants, so afraid are they of the Islamofascists.

They will sell their souls and their freedoms, before they stand up like men.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
ArthurDoxy
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Tell you what Valley Joe, I couldn't agree with you more. +Tom has this fantastic love and reverence for The Word of God that is so rare to find amongst theolgocians in this day and age.

I keep referring people to the "N.T. Wright Webpage" at: http://www.ntwrightpage.com/

You can really see how engaged in the faith he is if you scroll down to the "Video/Audio" section and listen to "Jesus and the Cross." (Of course there is so much material on this site, to put it mildly).

He's a fantastic person - in person. Easy to talk to, very focused.
essodalori
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The United States: The land of the free and the home of the brave.

Britian: The land of the tyranized, and the home of the cowards (Rev. Wright excepted).

With Christian love,

Essodalori
ArthurDoxy
Posted: 2006/2/22 1:39  Updated: 2006/2/22 11:34
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Joe of the Mountain said: "Uh huh. Explain that to the non-english-speaking colonial from the other side of Knightsbridge."

Hey Joe, +Tom Wright wasn't exactly speaking to "the non-english-speaking colonials." He was speaking at the House of Lords. (Quote:) "The following address was delivered to the House of Lords in London."

So, should I somehow end up making an address to the House of Lords (which will never happen), do me a favor . . . don't attempt to analyze it. Please consider the venue that one finds themselves in. When it comes to the House of Lords, "plain english and common truth" are at a premium there.
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Those in the H of L who did not understand Bishop Wright's address have nothing to fear. If they just keep going the way they are going, there will be no same sex marriages (although there will still be sodomy - just noone talking about it), no drinking, no theft, or women doing anything. The country will be Muslim. Of course, there won't be any bishops or Anglicans either.

a-Salaam alechem me Luds!

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What I think Bishop Durham is saying, is that one man's freedom of speech commands another man's obligation to listen and then to "work forwards together from there". That is rubbish. One's freedom of speech is not diminished if no one else chooses to listen. And surely there are plenty of voices speaking today whom most of us would not care to "work forwards" with.

And, just as an aside, freedom of speech does not find its "natural home" in Enlightenment modernism. Freedom of speech pre-dates the Enlightenment, considerably. One could more easily make a case that the Enlightenment was the turning point away from freedom of speech toward the "thought police state" that the Bishop (correctly) sees Britain headed into today
essodalori
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"What I think Bishop Durham is saying, is that one man's freedom of speech commands another man's obligation to listen and then to "work forwards together from there". That is rubbish."

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There it is; the truth. We are neither commanded nor need to 'listen' to the other man's speech. We are required, rather, to love him, no matter what he is saying.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
ArthurDoxy
Posted: 2006/2/22 11:45  Updated: 2006/2/22 11:47
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"What I think Bishop Durham is saying, is that one man's freedom of speech commands another man's obligation to listen and then to "work forwards together from there". That is rubbish."
----------------------------------------------------

I think what The Bishop of Durham is really saying is, "If we can get everyone to simply listen, a unique opportunity will present itself and then it will indeed be the Word of God which will speak to human ears and convict people's hearts." His concern is in preserving of the right to proclaim the Word in a public forum.

Tell me, do you doubt the power of the Word of God? I don't! And I think that +Wright most certainly understands the power the Word possesses, however, I beleive that he also understands that it is becoming an increasingly difficult task to find a place to proclaim it. (Too much white noise in the background . . . too little tolerance for the right to proclaim life transforming power.)
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There is only one emoticon in the VOL lexicon for this:

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And, just as an aside, freedom of speech does not find its "natural home" in Enlightenment modernism. Freedom of speech pre-dates the Enlightenment, considerably.


Thank you, Norman, thank you!

We must remember that our Anglo-American freedoms were unique to England and its common law tradition. The Enlightenment was a product of Italy and lead to The Terror and, recently remembered, Robespierre in France its star pupil. Much of today's political correctness dates to those ironically dark days.
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 Re: Moral Climate Change in Britain - by N. T. Wright
Thanks to a friend, I came across a website that puts the insanity of moral relativism into perspective. Take a look:

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/patriotic/highband.htm
essodalori
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"It is freedom not to be gratuitously rude or offensive..."

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It is good that the Bishop is decrying the intolerance of the tolerance thought police, but the truth is, if a society is to have free speech, such can only inlucde speech which is rude and offensive. Why? Because otherwise the charge that someone was offended automatically shuts down that speech. After a while, nothing meaningful can be said about anything.

Folks - the freedoms we enjoy have to be fought for and maintained by each successive generation - or they will be taken away, if those in power find them to be inconvenient. (Howard Dean would shut down speech about God, gays and guns in two seconds flat if he could...)

Great Britain has no real constitution, and its basic law can be changed by parliament anytime. It never had a real guarantee of free speech or freedom of religion. Of course - rights may be taken away here in the US as well, though it cannot be done without the acquiescence of huge majorities of the people; it cannot be done just by the government.

I have been stunned to see how easily Canadians, the French and the British and the Swedes trade away their right to say what they want - all for not offending certain groups (usually those involve in deviant sex).

Think about that. Wrap your minds around that. The Brits, Swedes, Canadians, and so on are letting their governments tell them what they cannot say, so that people who want to sodomize each other's butts don't feel bad.

You guys to the north and east of us are now living in a tyranical PC bizarroland. We have PC bizarrofolk in the US as well, but we're not going to turn the determination of our basic rights over to them.

I guess we value our rights more, having fought for them so hard.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
Anonymous
Posted: 2006/2/22 14:51  Updated: 2006/2/22 14:51
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Dear 'Doxy,

*If we can get everyone to simply listen*, *Too much white-noise in the background*, *Too little tolerance*...

Pardon me, but this sounds like a piece from the revisionist playbook.

The Sword of Damocles has come crashing down on right to proclaim the Word in a public forum by legislation so that somebody will not be offended and to fulfill the mandate of the *separation of Church and State* guff. There is a *thermo-nuclear culture war* thats bursting onto the scene and I pray that all the faithful will have put on the Armour of God and written their Final Will and Testament since there is much more carnage to come.

The Faithful will let God be their Captain but those who state that Scripture is *ambiguous*, as has been done on the thread entitled *The Great Divide* are being led by Satan into a battle where they will lose both their Life and their Soul, to be eternally lost and eternally damned.

In Xrists Salvific Love,

G-man
essodalori
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In sweeping new legislation today, passed by Tony Blair's lefty government, Britain released its list of which groups may be offended by public speech, and which groups may not. Severe penalties, including jail time, will be meted out to those who wrongly offend.

On the Labour 'you cannnot offend' list:

sodomites
transvestites
sadomasochists
adulterers
bestials
bisexuals
those who participate in sexual orgies
lesbians
porn-addicts
pornographers
masturbators
child molesters (especially homomolesters)
blacks
Jamaicans
Africans
non-European Hispanics
Muslims
terrorists
members of the United Nations
feminists
wacko university professors
newspaper editorialists
liberal politicians
alcoholics
those with AIDs
Vickie Gene Robinson

On the you-can-offend list:

Christians
the chaste
men and women faithful to their spouses
those who are married
mothers and fathers (breeders!)
kids who pray
kids who read the Bible (for shame!)
whites
Asians
Spaniards
Americans
conservative politicians
George Bush
ze French
Germans
Jews

Brits all over the land today were striving to memorize the list, so as to avoid jail time for speaking their minds. (However, since so many had lost them, it was not as big a problem as expected...)

With Christain love,

Essodalori

P.S. In further news, Boy Rowan, the erstwhile head of the Anglican Communion, announced that he would write a thirty page copyrighted paper on the new legislation - to be read in Gibraltar in a month's time.
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Ya know Esso, it used to be our individual responsibility to control our reaction to the provocations of others.

When I was a boy, they taught us to say -- and believe! "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words shall never harm me."

Now we must tip-toe about as though walking on eggs -- or thin ice -- lest we offend some tender soul who is then, in all too many cases, legally justified in killing us.

What's wrong with this picture?
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"What's wrong with this picture? "

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We have become mice.

Here's how to regain our manhoods:

SAY SOMETHING TRUE TODAY, AND OFFEND SOMEONE.

YEAH, GO AHEAD, DO IT.

IT'S LIBERATING, SPEAKING THE TRUTH.

It's the only way you'll get your manhood and society back.

With Christian love!

Essodalori
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Sorry to see everyone gushing over the supposedly orthodox +Wright (again).

When former Bp of Durham performed a blessing of a civil partnership in a parish in his diocese, poor old +Wright swallowed his tongue and tucked his mitre and pectoral cross between his legs.

If this man had gonads, the placement of these items would no doubt have caused discomfort. But alas, just one more in the parade of wimpy and spineless supposedly orthodox Anglicans who do not deserve their good press nor their idolatrous following.

Keble
Fiona
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 Re: Moral Climate Change in Britain - by N. T. Wright
If this man had gonads, the placement of these items would no doubt have caused discomfort. But alas, just one more in the parade of wimpy and spineless supposedly orthodox Anglicans who do not deserve their good press nor their idolatrous following.

Now Keble, that's the kind of honest, in your face (but not touching the other's nose) that I admire. Viva the 1st Amendment! And too bad for the rest of the world that doesn't have a Bill of Rights worth fighting for.

Fiona
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